I have not tried Linux yet but I do plan to do it one day. My question is if I install Linux OS can it run and do everything Windows can?
Any Linux distro can do pretty much everything Windows can, but using different programs, or linux-compatible versions. The only exceptions would be with video games, and if the SteamOS is successful then we might see more games available for Linux. Beyond that, if there's a program you like on Windows, you can usually find the equivalent for Linux-based OS. Linux is also very easy to customize, and it is a much more stable OS than any Windows OS you can find.
One thing to know though, is that installing a Linux-based OS for the first time will be like discovering Windows for the first time. You'll be lost, not exactly sure what you're supposed to do and what kind of programs to download, but once you've figured out the basics, Linux is really awesome. Ubuntu is relatively new-user friendly, albeit the Unity Shell (more complicated than that, but basically it acts as the interface) is known to cause some slow downs in 12.10, not sure how it is in 13.04 but just in case, it's best to use the Gnome Shell. All of these things will make sense with time.
Besides, you can always dual boot, or run Linux on a virtual machine so you don't use too much space, and you can mess around with the OS to your hearts content.
As gaming goes Linux does not do "pretty much everything windows does" because Linux is missing this thing called Direct X. @snarlingwolf Wow its really been 2 years since portal 2... Lots of people seem to be enjoying DOTA2 which is valves most recent title, I've not tried it myself but globally a lot of people play it. Personally I would really like Halflife 3 or even Halflife 2 opposing force 2 / Blue shift 2 made by valve running paralel to HL2 storyline.
And what can Direct3D do that OpenGL couldn't do about as well?
The software compatibility problem is that software hasn't been written for Linux, not that it couldn't be.
Do not want. To me this feels like some grognard with an ego at Steam wanting to impose his will on pc gaming community just because he has geek rage against windows.
Originally posted by ray12k Originally posted by lizardbonesOriginally posted by ray12kOriginally posted by wickedptOriginally posted by ray12kOriginally posted by VastoHordeNot interested in streaming games. I want the best possible gaming experience.
yep hdmi ftwYou know that HDMI is, techically, streaming from your computer to a TV.Streaming trough ethernet is no diferent, specially when there are gigabit cables and routers.Yeah, my point was that you are better off connecting to your tv with a port you already have. Then using steam, it will be to buggy and will bring up cost for any game dev. If anything steam can force ftp games to make their games compatible but even then, the market is just not there.But I guess time will tell...I just dont see this working. If anything they are using it for pr. What in the world are you talking about? SteamOS is a Linux distribution, designed to run games. Plugging a computer that's running SteamOS into your television would work exactly the same way as plugging any other computer or gaming device into your television. Through the HDMI port. What other port would you use to plug a device into your television? The SteamOS computer itself would be acting as a game console, letting users download and run games from Steam, on the computer itself. In addition to acting as a game console, it would also allow you have a movie on your desktop PC, you can stream it to your television in the living room, using software on the SteamOS, and probably using the Steam software on your desktop PC. This isn't any different from what's already possible with the XBox or PS3. That's not to say they have an easy job ahead. There are what, a dozen consoles that tried to make it and didn't?* How many Linux gaming distributions are there? Less than one? The only things Valve has going for them is Valve, and Steam's millions of players and customers who might hop on board a Steam powered console with an open OS. Well, they kind of have the push towards more platforms with mobile too, so moving away from DirectX isn't the insanity that it used to be. But still, lots of work ahead for them. Finally, Steam on Linux already works. The games that will run on Linux through Steam work the same way the games run under Windows. Click, download, install and then run. Valve managed this on Linux distributions that they aren't managing. It should be a little easier on a distribution that they do manage. It could still fail, but not because Valve doesn't know what they are doing. ** * One of their announcements this week is going to be a new console.steam os is being created for the steam console they are releasing.
What I am talking about is all the failed promises of linux since i fist heard of it in the late 90's. The amount of dedication and creativity it would take for steam to go were so many other's have failed seems unlikely to happen. In fact I don't think they have the skill or talent to pull of making a os that would be better at gaming then Windows or Apples OS.
Valve has to talk players, most who have never had any interaction with linux into moving over from the familiar Windows OS. Not to mention I dont see any interest in anyone switching from Apples OS to linux.
As far as gaming, Good luck on people going out in droves, spending 2k+ on a gaming machine. because what your saying is that the elite gamers are looking for something new...
Again time will tell, I myself wouldnt put a dollar on it following through.
What failed promises of Linux? I'm typing this up on a laptop running Linux right now. I watch youtube, type up my English papers using Google Drive and everything else I would do using a Windows box, except play video games and suffer the built in vulnerabilities of Windows.
Gamers are looking for something new. Gamers are always looking for something new, because they are humans and that's what humans do. SteamOS, an OS built for gaming, is new. It caters to the only demographic of computer users who are spending more money every year on desktop computers. Gamers are spending more money on computers year over year.
Valve has a shot of creating something new, something geared directly at the only people who would be willing to step away from Windows for their hobby. That's not to say it will work, but it would be really neat if gamers weren't beholden to Microsoft for their hobby, and if developers weren't beholden to Microsoft for their living. They wouldn't be beholden to Valve either. That's the awesome part of Linux. If it becomes a thing, then competition can take hold, and the people who benefit are the gamers. Or it all collapses into a sad little hole.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Hmmmm worst idea ever.... if they really wanted to make a OS based for gaming they should be smart enough to use a platform that games from today play on. Such as using an NT based platform like react OS. Otherwise this is just a waste of time and money for both us and valve just like nvidia and the andriod market.
Well right now its not that good as there are not than many games available that will run on linux... I am sure this could change in the future if Steam OS works out well.
Microsoft pissed a lot of people off with their app store crap and metro.. Valve being one of them, if they can pull this off and get more people desiging games to run on linux then it could be a huge thing for PC gaming.
Thinking about it this is a very good time for something like this to happen.. a lot of the main stream engines are now putting out support for linux.
I guess we just need to wait and see, I cant see it being a super huge success to start with but its something to build on
Originally posted by VastoHordeNot interested in streaming games. I want the best possible gaming experience.
yep hdmi ftw
You know that HDMI is, techically, streaming from your computer to a TV.Streaming trough ethernet is no diferent, specially when there are gigabit cables and routers.
Yeah, my point was that you are better off connecting to your tv with a port you already have. Then using steam, it will be to buggy and will bring up cost for any game dev. If anything steam can force ftp games to make their games compatible but even then, the market is just not there.But I guess time will tell...I just dont see this working. If anything they are using it for pr.
What in the world are you talking about? SteamOS is a Linux distribution, designed to run games. Plugging a computer that's running SteamOS into your television would work exactly the same way as plugging any other computer or gaming device into your television. Through the HDMI port. What other port would you use to plug a device into your television? The SteamOS computer itself would be acting as a game console, letting users download and run games from Steam, on the computer itself. In addition to acting as a game console, it would also allow you have a movie on your desktop PC, you can stream it to your television in the living room, using software on the SteamOS, and probably using the Steam software on your desktop PC. This isn't any different from what's already possible with the XBox or PS3. That's not to say they have an easy job ahead. There are what, a dozen consoles that tried to make it and didn't?* How many Linux gaming distributions are there? Less than one? The only things Valve has going for them is Valve, and Steam's millions of players and customers who might hop on board a Steam powered console with an open OS. Well, they kind of have the push towards more platforms with mobile too, so moving away from DirectX isn't the insanity that it used to be. But still, lots of work ahead for them. Finally, Steam on Linux already works. The games that will run on Linux through Steam work the same way the games run under Windows. Click, download, install and then run. Valve managed this on Linux distributions that they aren't managing. It should be a little easier on a distribution that they do manage. It could still fail, but not because Valve doesn't know what they are doing. ** * One of their announcements this week is going to be a new console.
steam os is being created for the steam console they are releasing.
What I am talking about is all the failed promises of linux since i fist heard of it in the late 90's. The amount of dedication and creativity it would take for steam to go were so many other's have failed seems unlikely to happen. In fact I don't think they have the skill or talent to pull of making a os that would be better at gaming then Windows or Apples OS.
Valve has to talk players, most who have never had any interaction with linux into moving over from the familiar Windows OS. Not to mention I dont see any interest in anyone switching from Apples OS to linux.
As far as gaming, Good luck on people going out in droves, spending 2k+ on a gaming machine. because what your saying is that the elite gamers are looking for something new...
Again time will tell, I myself wouldnt put a dollar on it following through.
What failed promises of Linux? I'm typing this up on a laptop running Linux right now. I watch youtube, type up my English papers using Google Drive and everything else I would do using a Windows box, except play video games and suffer the built in vulnerabilities of Windows.
Gamers are looking for something new. Gamers are always looking for something new, because they are humans and that's what humans do. SteamOS, an OS built for gaming, is new. It caters to the only demographic of computer users who are spending more money every year on desktop computers. Gamers are spending more money on computers year over year.
Valve has a shot of creating something new, something geared directly at the only people who would be willing to step away from Windows for their hobby. That's not to say it will work, but it would be really neat if gamers weren't beholden to Microsoft for their hobby, and if developers weren't beholden to Microsoft for their living. They wouldn't be beholden to Valve either. That's the awesome part of Linux. If it becomes a thing, then competition can take hold, and the people who benefit are the gamers. Or it all collapses into a sad little hole.
That it would become popular for one, that it would be the primary os in business, that its os would dominate in edu. ect ect ect...
Its never going to break though to main stream. At least not by valve...
This whole vulnerabilities to windows is the same argument the apple os gives. The only benefit I ever seen with linux was with programing but even that's limited. Oh yeah and its free...
Your holding onto a pipe dream that will never come to be.
Originally posted by GeezerGamer Linux is a high performance OS, but there are ongoing issues with regard to the Nvidia and AMD's proprietary video drivers. I have doubts.
Plus...Are thy going to use Wine? OMG if they use wine. LOL
Steam on Linux doesn't use Wine right now. The games are written to either run on multiple platforms or a version is written for Linux.
For what it's worth, I ran WoW under Wine for over a year. I actually had fewer issues than my Windows guild mates. Of course, it took awhile to get it running in the first place. I'm not sure the average user is going to do that unless they are really dedicated to the idea of Linux.
I did finally start running Windows because I wanted to start playing other games and the driver support really was cr@p under Linux.
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I've also used Steam in Linux. It works the same way Steam works in Windows. Pick a game, download the game, install the game and then run it.
Unfortunately, no.
A lot of ports are the PC game with a Wine wrapper around them. Just because there is no Wine installation doesn't mean it's not there.
GW2 and Eve are two examples of games that have Mac ports that are just wrappers for the PC game. You can't tell unless you dig into the install directory. The same is true for many Linux ports. You can blame this on lazy developers who want a quick buck from people who run other operating systems.
Originally posted by ray12k That it would become popular for one, that it would be the primary os in business, that its os would dominate in edu. ect ect ect...Its never going to break though to main stream. At least not by valve... This whole vulnerabilities to windows is the same argument the apple os gives. The only benefit I ever seen with linux was with programing but even that's limited. Oh yeah and its free...Your holding onto a pipe dream that will never come to be.
I don't recall any of those promises being made. The only promise I remember is that I could have Geiger's Alien monsters crawling up the side of my windows if I wanted. Which I got.
Oh, and the promise that it wouldn't cost anything to download, and that I could dig into it and do more or less whatever I wanted with it, if I was capable. I got both of those too. I've even contributed to a couple projects that integrated my changes to their code. I've had fun with it. I was never promised that, but I got it anyway.
Again, the PS4 is running on BSD, another free OS related to Linux. It's not impossible. It's not even unlikely. Especially with AMD and Nvidia refocusing attention on Linux video drivers to make gaming on Linux more of a possibility. Why would they bother doing this if they didn't think there was a good chance that having better Linux drivers wouldn't be beneficial for their companies' bottom lines?
Again, this could all go nowhere. Linux Gaming has never really taken off because nobody who's tried to do it has had the pull to get hardware vendors and developers on board at the same time. Valve is in just such a position, and has enough market presence to actually get something done. Millions of people log into Steam every day. That's enough people to get hardware vendors and developers on board with making Linux an option.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Originally posted by grimgryphon Unfortunately, no.A lot of ports are the PC game with a Wine wrapper around them. Just because there is no Wine installation doesn't mean it's not there.GW2 and Eve are two examples of games that have Mac ports that are just wrappers for the PC game. You can't tell unless you dig into the install directory. The same is true for many Linux ports. You can blame this on lazy developers who want a quick buck from people who run other operating systems.
If it works, does it really matter? Especially for games that were never written with Linux in mind? I would have been happy to keep using Linux for games if Wine worked better or was easier to setup.
I mean, given my experience with Wine, I'd be a bit leary of selling games under Wine, but if they actually worked, I could be convinced that it was OK. They'd have to work without a lot of mucking about though.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Right now there is not many games to Linux, but that is going to change, one way or another. Android OS is also based on Linux, and that means, that the games that are already being made for the phones, will work on other distributions.
That means, that a game developer targeting Linux now will have a wider audience - both SteamOS as well as Android as well as the other Linux-distributions.
Apple's OS'es are also Unix-based. However, I don't know how much it would take to make Unix-compatible programs compatible with Linux, but it will certainly be less work than making windows-programs so.
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This is strategically a move that will strengthen Linux in all its shapes, and if this operating system reaches critical mass, you might see the majority of the development moving to it.
Microsoft and Intel together did all they could to kill OpenGL. It could today have been so much easier for game developers to target all platforms through OpenGL. Instead MS managed to lock people into Windows for more than a decade.
Originally posted by grimgryphon Unfortunately, no.
A lot of ports are the PC game with a Wine wrapper around them. Just because there is no Wine installation doesn't mean it's not there.
GW2 and Eve are two examples of games that have Mac ports that are just wrappers for the PC game. You can't tell unless you dig into the install directory. The same is true for many Linux ports. You can blame this on lazy developers who want a quick buck from people who run other operating systems.
If it works, does it really matter? Especially for games that were never written with Linux in mind? I would have been happy to keep using Linux for games if Wine worked better or was easier to setup.
I mean, given my experience with Wine, I'd be a bit leary of selling games under Wine, but if they actually worked, I could be convinced that it was OK. They'd have to work without a lot of mucking about though.
It doesn't matter unless the performance is awful. A native port will always have better performance.
In the two examples above, Eve's performance is OK, but GW2 is awful.
Originally posted by grimgryphon Originally posted by lizardbonesOriginally posted by grimgryphonUnfortunately, no.A lot of ports are the PC game with a Wine wrapper around them. Just because there is no Wine installation doesn't mean it's not there.GW2 and Eve are two examples of games that have Mac ports that are just wrappers for the PC game. You can't tell unless you dig into the install directory. The same is true for many Linux ports. You can blame this on lazy developers who want a quick buck from people who run other operating systems.
If it works, does it really matter? Especially for games that were never written with Linux in mind? I would have been happy to keep using Linux for games if Wine worked better or was easier to setup. I mean, given my experience with Wine, I'd be a bit leary of selling games under Wine, but if they actually worked, I could be convinced that it was OK. They'd have to work without a lot of mucking about though.It doesn't matter unless the performance is awful. A native port will always have better performance.
In the two examples above, Eve's performance is OK, but GW2 is awful.
I would say the setup steps are important too. I got WoW to run, and it ran great with sound and everything, but actually getting it to run great was a real pain. With Steam, they at least have the setup portion done OK.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Originally posted by lizardbones Out of twenty or so games, I have about six available under Linux. That's one of those "ifs" that Valve needs to overcome. I would expect that they look to the future, rather than try to bring old games back from the past. As new games come out, they'll be runnable under SteamOS because developers want to get sales through Steam.
I bet that Valve's goal isn't nearly so much to have SteamOS out there as it is to have a SteamBox out there. The rest of it is just a bunch of "ifs". If this and if that we'll see a future where gamers get an operating system that is made to run games instead of an operating system that's made to do everything OK, but no particular thing really well.
Originally posted by ray12k That it would become popular for one, that it would be the primary os in business, that its os would dominate in edu. ect ect ect...
Its never going to break though to main stream. At least not by valve...
This whole vulnerabilities to windows is the same argument the apple os gives. The only benefit I ever seen with linux was with programing but even that's limited. Oh yeah and its free...
Your holding onto a pipe dream that will never come to be.
I don't recall any of those promises being made. The only promise I remember is that I could have Geiger's Alien monsters crawling up the side of my windows if I wanted. Which I got.
Oh, and the promise that it wouldn't cost anything to download, and that I could dig into it and do more or less whatever I wanted with it, if I was capable. I got both of those too. I've even contributed to a couple projects that integrated my changes to their code. I've had fun with it. I was never promised that, but I got it anyway.
Again, the PS4 is running on BSD, another free OS related to Linux. It's not impossible. It's not even unlikely. Especially with AMD and Nvidia refocusing attention on Linux video drivers to make gaming on Linux more of a possibility. Why would they bother doing this if they didn't think there was a good chance that having better Linux drivers wouldn't be beneficial for their companies' bottom lines?
Again, this could all go nowhere. Linux Gaming has never really taken off because nobody who's tried to do it has had the pull to get hardware vendors and developers on board at the same time. Valve is in just such a position, and has enough market presence to actually get something done. Millions of people log into Steam every day. That's enough people to get hardware vendors and developers on board with making Linux an option.
Well those promises were made when I started college. It was the next big thing that never happened. Hence, why I have my doubts valve can pull it off.
If it does hey, ill admit I was wrong but i highley doubt steam will invest in the staff it will need to push linux to the masses.
Originally posted by grimgryphonUnfortunately, no.A lot of ports are the PC game with a Wine wrapper around them. Just because there is no Wine installation doesn't mean it's not there.GW2 and Eve are two examples of games that have Mac ports that are just wrappers for the PC game. You can't tell unless you dig into the install directory. The same is true for many Linux ports. You can blame this on lazy developers who want a quick buck from people who run other operating systems.
If it works, does it really matter? Especially for games that were never written with Linux in mind? I would have been happy to keep using Linux for games if Wine worked better or was easier to setup. I mean, given my experience with Wine, I'd be a bit leary of selling games under Wine, but if they actually worked, I could be convinced that it was OK. They'd have to work without a lot of mucking about though.
It doesn't matter unless the performance is awful. A native port will always have better performance.
In the two examples above, Eve's performance is OK, but GW2 is awful.
I would say the setup steps are important too. I got WoW to run, and it ran great with sound and everything, but actually getting it to run great was a real pain. With Steam, they at least have the setup portion done OK.
Agreed. I used to play WoW in Wine and the setup was a pain. But the native port of WoW to OSX is flawless in setup and operation. It's like night and day.
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And what can Direct3D do that OpenGL couldn't do about as well?
The software compatibility problem is that software hasn't been written for Linux, not that it couldn't be.
You know that HDMI is, techically, streaming from your computer to a TV. Streaming trough ethernet is no diferent, specially when there are gigabit cables and routers.
Yeah, my point was that you are better off connecting to your tv with a port you already have. Then using steam, it will be to buggy and will bring up cost for any game dev. If anything steam can force ftp games to make their games compatible but even then, the market is just not there. But I guess time will tell... I just dont see this working. If anything they are using it for pr.
What in the world are you talking about? SteamOS is a Linux distribution, designed to run games. Plugging a computer that's running SteamOS into your television would work exactly the same way as plugging any other computer or gaming device into your television. Through the HDMI port. What other port would you use to plug a device into your television? The SteamOS computer itself would be acting as a game console, letting users download and run games from Steam, on the computer itself. In addition to acting as a game console, it would also allow you have a movie on your desktop PC, you can stream it to your television in the living room, using software on the SteamOS, and probably using the Steam software on your desktop PC. This isn't any different from what's already possible with the XBox or PS3. That's not to say they have an easy job ahead. There are what, a dozen consoles that tried to make it and didn't?* How many Linux gaming distributions are there? Less than one? The only things Valve has going for them is Valve, and Steam's millions of players and customers who might hop on board a Steam powered console with an open OS. Well, they kind of have the push towards more platforms with mobile too, so moving away from DirectX isn't the insanity that it used to be. But still, lots of work ahead for them. Finally, Steam on Linux already works. The games that will run on Linux through Steam work the same way the games run under Windows. Click, download, install and then run. Valve managed this on Linux distributions that they aren't managing. It should be a little easier on a distribution that they do manage. It could still fail, but not because Valve doesn't know what they are doing. ** * One of their announcements this week is going to be a new console.
steam os is being created for the steam console they are releasing.
What I am talking about is all the failed promises of linux since i fist heard of it in the late 90's. The amount of dedication and creativity it would take for steam to go were so many other's have failed seems unlikely to happen. In fact I don't think they have the skill or talent to pull of making a os that would be better at gaming then Windows or Apples OS.
Valve has to talk players, most who have never had any interaction with linux into moving over from the familiar Windows OS. Not to mention I dont see any interest in anyone switching from Apples OS to linux.
As far as gaming, Good luck on people going out in droves, spending 2k+ on a gaming machine. because what your saying is that the elite gamers are looking for something new...
Again time will tell, I myself wouldnt put a dollar on it following through.
What failed promises of Linux? I'm typing this up on a laptop running Linux right now. I watch youtube, type up my English papers using Google Drive and everything else I would do using a Windows box, except play video games and suffer the built in vulnerabilities of Windows.
Gamers are looking for something new. Gamers are always looking for something new, because they are humans and that's what humans do. SteamOS, an OS built for gaming, is new. It caters to the only demographic of computer users who are spending more money every year on desktop computers. Gamers are spending more money on computers year over year.
Valve has a shot of creating something new, something geared directly at the only people who would be willing to step away from Windows for their hobby. That's not to say it will work, but it would be really neat if gamers weren't beholden to Microsoft for their hobby, and if developers weren't beholden to Microsoft for their living. They wouldn't be beholden to Valve either. That's the awesome part of Linux. If it becomes a thing, then competition can take hold, and the people who benefit are the gamers. Or it all collapses into a sad little hole.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Well right now its not that good as there are not than many games available that will run on linux... I am sure this could change in the future if Steam OS works out well.
Microsoft pissed a lot of people off with their app store crap and metro.. Valve being one of them, if they can pull this off and get more people desiging games to run on linux then it could be a huge thing for PC gaming.
Thinking about it this is a very good time for something like this to happen.. a lot of the main stream engines are now putting out support for linux.
I guess we just need to wait and see, I cant see it being a super huge success to start with but its something to build on
Here's the first impact of Valve's announcement. AMD and Nvidia are focusing on decent Linux support for their drivers. :-)
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2049369/amd-nvidia-ramp-up-linux-driver-support-after-valves-steamos-announcement.html
Woot!
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
I think there is a wrinkle in the tinfoil of your hat...
That it would become popular for one, that it would be the primary os in business, that its os would dominate in edu. ect ect ect...
Its never going to break though to main stream. At least not by valve...
This whole vulnerabilities to windows is the same argument the apple os gives. The only benefit I ever seen with linux was with programing but even that's limited. Oh yeah and its free...
Your holding onto a pipe dream that will never come to be.
Unfortunately, no.
A lot of ports are the PC game with a Wine wrapper around them. Just because there is no Wine installation doesn't mean it's not there.
GW2 and Eve are two examples of games that have Mac ports that are just wrappers for the PC game. You can't tell unless you dig into the install directory. The same is true for many Linux ports. You can blame this on lazy developers who want a quick buck from people who run other operating systems.
I don't recall any of those promises being made. The only promise I remember is that I could have Geiger's Alien monsters crawling up the side of my windows if I wanted. Which I got.
Oh, and the promise that it wouldn't cost anything to download, and that I could dig into it and do more or less whatever I wanted with it, if I was capable. I got both of those too. I've even contributed to a couple projects that integrated my changes to their code. I've had fun with it. I was never promised that, but I got it anyway.
Again, the PS4 is running on BSD, another free OS related to Linux. It's not impossible. It's not even unlikely. Especially with AMD and Nvidia refocusing attention on Linux video drivers to make gaming on Linux more of a possibility. Why would they bother doing this if they didn't think there was a good chance that having better Linux drivers wouldn't be beneficial for their companies' bottom lines?
Again, this could all go nowhere. Linux Gaming has never really taken off because nobody who's tried to do it has had the pull to get hardware vendors and developers on board at the same time. Valve is in just such a position, and has enough market presence to actually get something done. Millions of people log into Steam every day. That's enough people to get hardware vendors and developers on board with making Linux an option.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
If it works, does it really matter? Especially for games that were never written with Linux in mind? I would have been happy to keep using Linux for games if Wine worked better or was easier to setup.
I mean, given my experience with Wine, I'd be a bit leary of selling games under Wine, but if they actually worked, I could be convinced that it was OK. They'd have to work without a lot of mucking about though.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Right now there is not many games to Linux, but that is going to change, one way or another. Android OS is also based on Linux, and that means, that the games that are already being made for the phones, will work on other distributions.
That means, that a game developer targeting Linux now will have a wider audience - both SteamOS as well as Android as well as the other Linux-distributions.
Apple's OS'es are also Unix-based. However, I don't know how much it would take to make Unix-compatible programs compatible with Linux, but it will certainly be less work than making windows-programs so.
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This is strategically a move that will strengthen Linux in all its shapes, and if this operating system reaches critical mass, you might see the majority of the development moving to it.
Microsoft and Intel together did all they could to kill OpenGL. It could today have been so much easier for game developers to target all platforms through OpenGL. Instead MS managed to lock people into Windows for more than a decade.
They deserve everything coming to them.
It doesn't matter unless the performance is awful. A native port will always have better performance.
In the two examples above, Eve's performance is OK, but GW2 is awful.
It doesn't matter unless the performance is awful. A native port will always have better performance.
In the two examples above, Eve's performance is OK, but GW2 is awful.
I would say the setup steps are important too. I got WoW to run, and it ran great with sound and everything, but actually getting it to run great was a real pain. With Steam, they at least have the setup portion done OK.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
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I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Well those promises were made when I started college. It was the next big thing that never happened. Hence, why I have my doubts valve can pull it off.
If it does hey, ill admit I was wrong but i highley doubt steam will invest in the staff it will need to push linux to the masses.
Agreed. I used to play WoW in Wine and the setup was a pain. But the native port of WoW to OSX is flawless in setup and operation. It's like night and day.