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SE is Silly
Voqar
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Be careful what you post on the official forums
"You have been banned for the following reason:
Despite our repeated warnings, you have continued to act in violation of the FINAL FANTASY XIV: A Realm Reborn Forum Guideline. Therefore, we have no choice but to permanently ban you from using the forum.
Date the ban will be lifted: Never"
...is what I got for posting about the fact that endgame is limited, leveling xp/overall balance is whacked, quality of life issues, etc. The warning I got said I was trying to spread negativity in the community. It was basically the same thread I started here about the shortcomings of the game (the one here was longer). There was no foul language, it was mostly just a list of statements describing the game as it is - it's not like I'm making up stuff when I say the item tooltip comparisons in FFXIV are weak or that endgame consists grinding very few content options into dust.
Today I look at the official forums and there are 2 threads nearly identical to mine saying the exact same thing about how endgame is grinding the same 1 dungeon and 1 story pseudo-raid, how fates give too much xp vs everything else you can do leveling, and there's a new quality of life thread, complaints about balance, etc.
I wonder if those folks will get perma bans too?
Maybe the key is that you have to start your post with "I love the game but..." since that's what these people have done. I'm not much into lying though.
Also btw, I had previously rec'd ONE 2 week ban by them for posting in a thread about AK speed runs after they were fixed and people were complaining about the game getting fixed where I suggested they take action against exploiters/botters in general. It was a short bit and no clue why that was found to be objectionable. I wasn't vicious, didn't use language, nothing. I get banned from plenty of places and think nothing of it since it's often deserved but I dunno about those SE folks.
Anyways - one previous "warning" - not "repeated" - and it was a relatively heavy handed 2 week ban.
Not that it matters much since I'm all but done with FFXIV, but I just find SE to be ridiculous. Attempting to surpress player opinions is no way to run a forum or community. The front page of their general forum is more than half full of people either complaining about things or asking for fixes. Forums are for discussion, not for a glee club happy love in.
Premium MMORPGs do not feature built-in cheating via cash for gold pay 2 win. PLAY to win or don't play.
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This seems to happen more and more within official forums, the difficulty with this is that I have no idea how you you wrote your article in addition to I have never bothered to read their forums TOS either. But in honest mate, no disrespect to yourself threads like the one you started do nothing really apart from feed negativity.
Now I am not saying I believe in censorship with stuff like this it's just that threads like yours do nothing but bait trolling. So you get people that defend the game with vigor and then people argue for the sake of arguing. It ends up being a 100 page thread filled with nothing but arguing and spite and quite frankly I see this happen so much and I am personally sick of it.
I would imagine if people could be responsible and have a proper forum and debate of such things this wouldn't be an issue, however this never seems to be the case.
Yup .
Constructive criticism is generally tolerated. But bitching and whining about all the things you hate about the game generally is not.
I suspect you fall in the latter category.
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sorry for derailing the Topic from FFXIV but this involves SE and Silliness. The fact that SE is killing my favorite franchise of all time (Legacy of Kain) with a half assed F2P online game indeed shows SE is silly. IMO.
No hint of opening a discussion, no questions, no doubts, just stating a wall of text of negative opinion. Just a bucket of bile thrown on the table.
Even if your points are true, who needs that sort of topic in any kind of place where people gather to talk? You would get kicked out of any club, meeting or social event.
It is so easy to avoid your situation: put questions in your rant, offer advice to SE what to change, and ask for other people's opinion. You know, like in a forum where people actually come to discuss things.
Bro, I've used those forums since CB.
You 100% deserved that ban and the fact that you come here to misrepresent what you did on those forums is all I need to know to pass judgment on you.
This site should just save themselves the headache and ban you now as well.
Well as you can see, you're always welcome here at mmorpg.com to vent your frustrations.
I'll help, here's some of Voqar's finest:
"You have to be [expletive] kidding me.
I'm in queue for an instance for 20+ minutes. Whip out my choco to get it some xp, and it takes me out of DF without any warning?
What the [expletive] is so complicated about automating simple things? If your [expletive] choco is out when DF pops, put the [expletive] thing away for me.
If I want to attack when mounted, auto dismount me.
Simple [expletive] common sense things.
Why are there so many examples of moronic programming in this game? Can't talk to NPCs while mounted? WTF? Why? Because you're too stupid to dismount us if it goes into a cutscene?
Here's a thought. Lead designer and programmers play other MMORPGs made in the past 10 years and see how features have been implemented in most other games. Move into now, and out of the stone age, for basic common sense quality of life BASICS."
"I try to avoid idiot flagged players since they're usually bad."
"Yep, same. Have to restart the [expletive] launcher with every login attempt. I guess that's one way to just stop people from trying to play at all.
Thanks SQEN. It's been over a week and you have taken zero action to fix your game. Things just get worse and worse as there are more players and even more afkers.
Worst MMORPG launch ever, IMO. Been playing MMORPGs obsessively since EQ and I've never experienced anything this bad. SQEN is approaching heroic levels of incompetence."
"This has to be the dumbest [expletive] thing I've ever experienced in 30+ years of gaming.
THREE codes just to play one game?
The entire multiple account, multiple websites, multiple codes, jump thru hoops of fire to pay to play this game, made worse if you buy from the fools who made the game, is unreal."
"The restrictions on this forum are amongst the most stupid things I've ever experienced in the history of the web.
I guess it's one way to get players to NOT use the official site and reduce the chances of their site choking even harder during release than it did repeatedly during beta.
But hey, at least you aren't limited to only every 10 minutes. The control freak nonsense has taken a different turn but that's kind of a plus."
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At times, the guy has a point but nearly every time he acted like a complete tool. Ban is well deserved...if that attitude translates into the game, ban should extend there as well.
Posting like that will get you banned here as well.
Yes and no. After the free month you see the amount of people willing to deal with what little content the MMO's have upon launch. Usually people call them fanboys, but a lot of the time they enjoy the game. Every mmo loses a lot of population when the user base doesn't feel it has enough for them to justify a payment, but over time they will want to try out patches and come back for a while or stay permanently. I think the second or third month is usually when you can determine whether or not the game is going to amount to anything, based on the amount of patches, amount of feedback the developers take into account, and what their ideas for the game are and if they look like it's even feasible to implement those ideas.
With FFXIV it's a little different. People are going in expecting a huge end game, when there's plenty of non end game content to do, you can level every class on your one character, and you can level up crafting classes and gathering classes. There is a few things to do if you just stick it out at 50 but not nearly as much as people expected I guess. But at the same time square did say that they are planning on releasing quite a bit with patch 2.1 but nobody has said anything about an expected release date or anything like that so who knows on if they will deliver it. I still am enjoying the game so I can see myself staying for a while to see if everything pans out like square wants it to, or if the doomsayers were right. Either way it's enjoyable for now.
Exactly. They blew it, IMO. It's another super-casual game, and everyone will leave as soon as they soak up the limited content and get bored. We keep seeing this over and over again.
What people like you don't seem to understand is that it is the casual players who keeps games running. There is one constant with both crowds. For casual players, the constant is that they/we are slow to consume content. For example, I've been playing FF14 since Aug. 24 and I'm level 23. This is pretty normal pace for a husband and father with a career.The constant with hardcore gamers is that for some reason... They have a ton of time on their hands and will devour all the content in a game within the first few weeks and quit. They'll complain about lack of content and move in to their next game.
Many people don't agree with me.. Mostly the hardcore crowd.. But if I'm wring, why do all games cater to the casual? Its cause we stick around longer and consume less content for the money. Hardcore gamers don't have a voice cause if how fast they quit games. They always come back for the new content or raids, then quit again.
SE is playing the numbers with the casuals. And they'll win. I'll be subscribed for years and have plenty to do.
Yeah that's what I figured. Companies don't throw out bans left and right usually because it's bad publicity when they generate an uproar about them banning people. This seems to be a good enough reason for a ban, he needs to learn how to word things without sounding like hes just reaming them and swearing and saying they are incompetent. Say it constructively and they will answer, say it like a douche bag and they will ban you.
Two sides to every story and we're only hearing yours, but i'm sure you were completely innocent, we believe you.
There are many people in this world who have no idea what "constructive criticism" means, or even looks like. There are also many that have no intention of ever offering it. All they want to do is rage and spit bile.
They are convinced that the only effective way to convey your emotions is to swear, insult and threaten. Then they're shocked when they are banned from public forums.
"Move along. Nothing to see here..."
This just in: person who was banned on forums claimed they did nothing wrong.
I've yet to see someone get banned from any official forum of any game for following the rules. I have seen people use offensive language, troll, bait, bitch, moan, cry, threaten and get banned.
Constructive criticism is allowed everywhere I've ever looked. So learn to be constructive and not just tell people they suck, are stupid, should die in a fire, etc. and you will be fine.
Proper communication is lost on most people in the internet age so sadly there may be people who actually think they did nothing wrong and don't get it. Most of them though know what they did and just want to try and rile up more people.
when you read that post, its easy to see why he was banned, sounds like he was a repeat offender hence the permaban. Who knows, maybe this time he'll take it in and learn to put his point across without being quite so offensive?
In my experience, people like this never change.
The fact that he comes here and blames SE's "silliness" for his bans and not his own attitude and approach should let you know he isn't about to accept responsibility and change.
To give criticism you have to point out all the bad things so they can improve them. What's the point in praising the game when it's not 100%.
Constructive != praise
You might want to look that word up. Constructive feedback means presenting the information in a way that leads to discussion and change. Confrontational, emotional, name-calling posts do not do this and is why they are ignored, deleted, and banned.
It is amazing to see people not understand this and to also think constructive means praising the game.
So...let me get this straight. You whine about a game (even if in a constructive manner), get banned for it; and then come to another forum whine about being banned for whining? I see a pattern here.
All kidding aside, the vast majority of posts in most official forums are about as constructive as giving an alcoholic a life time supply of their favorite spirits.
If you received a ban, and a warning, and then still continued to "violate" their guidelines; it's your own fault.
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Constructive criticism or suggestions, the only difference is your approach. Most forums have a section for it. The FFXIV forums do not...unfortunately.
Raquelis in various games
Played: Everything
Playing: Nioh 2, Civ6
Wants: The World
Anticipating: Everquest Next Crowfall, Pantheon, Elden Ring
the sad part is, and i do mean sad in the emotional sense, is that he claims to have been at this for 30+ years. that places him well in his 40s without any idea how to offer constructive criticism along with a propensity for spewing bile.
dude, ours lives are short, living with that kind of bitterness and anger is no way to go out.
"There are at least two kinds of games.
One could be called finite, the other infinite.
A finite game is played for the purpose of winning,
an infinite game for the purpose of continuing play."
Finite and Infinite Games, James Carse