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MMOs of the past only shadows of themselves
qombi
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It is a shame new generations will never be able to play Everquest or World of Warcraft as they were originally and arguably to some better than the current versions. MMOs drastically change from expansion to expansion, unlike standalone games such as Zelda where my 9 year old son can still enjoy the way it was intended. I will note and he does!
It is similar to making work of arts such as a sculpture from Michael Angelo and over the years rip an arm off, add a gun, remove the head in place for another head etc. I find that sad because I consider some of these original MMOs work of arts lost forever.
I feel developers when expanding upon their game should leave one server behind with the original game on it for those who want to enjoy the game in that state. When another expansion is released leave one more server available with the game + 1 expansion, and so on and so on. The developers could make money with this design scheme. Players who decide to play on these servers could pay to transfer off of them once they decide to and venture on to the next version of the game, be it live or another legacy server.
The developer could even charge a gold membership for access to the live game and the legacy servers. This would allow people to enjoy the game at different times in history with the option to move to live when you choose of course with a cost.
I haven't played live WoW or EQ in about 5 years now I believe because I didn't like the current version of the game. If this design scheme was in place, I would be there playing now and you know what? Would probably have a live character as well to play around with.
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I never liked EQ because I tried it around the same time as I tried WoW for the first time, and it just seemed like a much more tedious way to spend my time. I basically stopped playing WoW shortly after Cata came out. I enjoyed the BC and WOLK expansions very much, but even at that time I felt the game was slowly on a decline from the days of Vanilla WoW. IMO, nothing was better than WoW during the Vanilla version, when the game was still difficult, you actually needed groups for open world content, and running a dungeon or raid didn't result in guaranteed success.
Not to mention, a game is ALWAYS better the first time through, when every experience is brand new.
Sure they can. We just can't point the way on this forum.
I love BC. Going back helped me understand why.
Thats in away why i like Skyrim alot the mod community is HUGE so alot diverse mods you won't believe how many play skyrim from guns, to aliens, loli pops, or zelda conversions.
But there also so hardcore imerssive group that want skyrim not only to be veryhard also as immersive and true to core as it can with hardcore realism as its core.
But nobody can influence or disturb your immersion you install mods you like and play as you want.
Thats difference between mmorpgs and solo games that can be modded.
Last game ive played that gave the old school hardcore play was Beta+ first 3 months Darkfall this was 2009 after that it was down hill fast.
Oh and my first mmo was Asheron's call 1 in 99
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Sure they can. We just can't point the way on this forum.
I love BC. Going back helped me understand why.
Not realy game maybe but the gamers are from this time and many are the same as in the all the other anti social spoonfed treatmill grinders, so settings yes gamers no:P
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Darkfall Unholy Wars was one that is just a shadow of Darkfall. However that is changing as one of the original developers and owners is back with DFUW. The first thing he did was last weeks Jesus patch. He balanced the game in less than a week.
We believe in Claus.
The definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
Playing: Smite, Marvel Heroes
Played: Nexus:Kingdom of the Winds, Everquest, DAoC, Everquest 2, WoW, Matrix Online, Vangaurd, SWG, DDO, EVE, Fallen Earth, LoTRo, CoX, Champions Online, WAR, Darkfall, Mortal Online, Guild Wars, Rift, Tera, Aion, AoC, Gods and Heroes, DCUO, FF14, TSW, SWTOR, GW2, Wildstar, ESO, ArcheAge
Waiting On: Nothing. Mmorpg's are dead.
Ergo the value of console/offline games.
Online games are in a constant state of change and whatever was good will probably disappear and if it did then it will, forever...that goes the same with the bad ones. It will also disappear or be improved...the way online games develop through time is like a double-edged sword unlike console games where the sword is already as good as it is no matter how long....though its quality may degrade over time, it's value increases. That depends though...that doesn't apply to all games.
nah .. modern MMOs are better (to me) games.
If EQ or UO is updated with modern graphics, i still would pass.
I'm sceptical of nostalgia. You can reinstall old code, but you can't turn back the clock on the world or the player. From time to time, I'll go back and dig up and old CRPG and play for a while, but it's never the same for me. They feel clunky and alien compared to the immersive experiences I remember, despite being the exact same game.
Let your son play EQ. I wish I could be a fly on the wall when he says "Dad, this is a horrible interface, terrible gameplay and the graphics suck," and then you reply nostalgically, "Yes, *sigh*, it's nothing like the original. I wish you could have tried that. It was even worse!"
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
And entertainment is always about new experiences.
The African Queen would bore the crap out of a Millenial for that exact reason. One of the biggest parts of the movie was the wildlife shots - something one is inundated with after just a few weeks on the web.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
Yes, the content is great. And going back after all these years really makes me appreciate WoW a lot more for what it is.
But I will say this much, the combat is slowwww. Like really really slow. Its super noticeable right away.
It's just part of life. Things seem shinier, more colorful in days of old when they were kinda new and exciting.
I feel the same about old tv shows. I watched 'The Million Dollar man' growing up and thought it was so damn cool. About 3 yrs ago i watched an old episode, one of my favorites with the robotic Sasquatch and couldn't believe how cheezy and funny (not intended I'm sure) I found it.
Everyone is a little like that with certain things that they look fondly upon, but we were the ones that changed. In our expectations, our refinement of our likes and dislikes. Hell, even our 'expertise' towards each of those things changed our views, our appreciation of them.
Some things are still seen as epic and great, but that's mostly in our heads. Like physical pain, we forget those things that were plainly bad, frustrating, or simply 'dumb' to us in those things we reminisce with awe and wonder.
Playing 5 hours straight of Pitfall on the Atari 2600 running backwards was the 'shit' back then. Now, I could only get to the 3 crocs in the pond without the vine before giving it up, grunting in dissatisfaction (putting it mildly). lol
In order to make that practical, you have to accept that the "old" version will be essentially unsupported. Trying to maintain several separate code paths would be an enormous nightmare. The "old" version would have no future bug fixes, no future play-balance updates, or anything of that sort. If major exploits are found to exist in the old version, they stay live in the old version forever.
Furthermore, the playerbase wouldn't be at all similar. If you think the lower level areas of WoW are deserted now, it would be much, much worse on the old version servers. Would people really be willing to stay and raid a few dungeons endlessly and ignore the newer content forever? And what happens after you have all of the raid epics you want? Then what? Blizzard constantly releases new content to combat that problem, but the old version doesn't get the new content, as that is its entire reason to exist.
I started with the Atari 2600. At the time, it was amazing and new. There were games that were classics ans still are, hence, they are still around to this day..such as Pac - Man, Space Invaders, etc. Sure, I still play them sometimes too.
The same holds true with EQ1 compared to...say Rift now.
But if my daughter were into games (Which she is not) and I showed her those games...of course she'd be unimpressed with them considering what there is now that she is or could be growing up with and playing.
It's not nearly the graphics, or the UI most are talking about when it comes to EQ1 as much as it is the feeling it gave you. It FELT like a world. You FELT you were that character creating your own adventures and reputation. You made friends because in some cases it was necessary, and in others because you wanted to through socializing. Not to mention the communities they had...which most lack now a days.
These are what made it special to me. It isn't "Nostalgia" or "Rose Tinted Glasses"...which IMO is a BS reply people like you give to try and discredit anything people say positive about EQ1 or UO because YOU disliked them, or can't find the time to dedicate to a MMORPG tha takes any amount of time beyond an hour to achieve something. It's the things mos modern MMORPG's lack that made them special and actual MMORPG's. Emphasis on the MMO part.
Don't be so certain.
The gameplay of Space Invaders and many arcade games is very different from the gameplay of today's games. You'd be surprised what she might find entertaining.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
Earlier than millenials. The name of that movie sounded familiar, went and looked it up. I recall watching that movie with my mother in my earlier teens more than 20 years ago and it bored me to tears even then.
Very revealing comments guys; keep 'em comin'
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
So wait a second, the Holy Game is not just EQ1, it is EQ1 before expansions? That means (presumably) that you even sneer at members of the original player base who stumbled in too late?
You guys are eager to change. How could anyone have doubted it for a single moment.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
Pfffft, if you weren't there for pre-Alpha, when nothing worked, you have no idea what hardcore is.
I can't decide if this is sarcastic or insulting or not. On the off chance it is I'll respond.
The comment was about new experiences and as lokto has stated we have seen better river movies, better filming, better action, better sound, more detailed animal, panoramic shots and scenery, more action... in dozens if not hundreds of movies since this was made in 1951. No doubt it is considered a good movie, especially for the time it was made, however a new experience for us it is not. Therefore it is dull.
This is the same reason every time I (and many others) go back to old games we don't last as long, they are old experiences.
This is why we don't last as long in basically any mmo, the gameplay has essentially been the same for 16 years. They are all old experiences with just a few additions.
I remain firmly convinced that this situation will continue until a game fundamentally changes how we interact with games, just as the first MMO involved significantly different interaction between the game and players than many/most other games.
No he would just say this game is too hard and give up, because that is what the current generation of gamers are. My son played WoW when he was 10 and he prefers that to the newer MMORPG which are so dumbed down they aren't worth touching but I honestly think he'd have prefered the UO, EQ, AC style games if you could give them that experience in a vacuum compared to the WOW clone generation of AION, Rift, GW2 etc.