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There's No Freedom Anymore
SuperPaneki
Member Posts: 62
This is my first and last thread in this community.
Because I said Final Fantasy sucks, I received and e-mail from the moderators telling me that I will be expelled from this community because I trolled people saying a game was bad. My god! I say what I think. I'm not trying to lie to people, I say what I genuinely think. And that's called freedom of speech. Not anymore! You can't write or speak bad about anything. It's okay all the times I said that game is awesome! But now I said that game sucks. And it it illegal. Well, if we can't speak well or bad about the games, we can only speak well of them. So, they are always good. I suppose they will even delete this post because it says the true. There's no freedom to speak even in the internet anymore. If I think a game is bad I say so. If I think a game is good I say so. If I can only say a game is good, that's biased toward all companies, and not toward players. We lose. We receive manipulated information. Because if they all tell you all games are good, you don't know when a game is bad. The companies sell their boxes, we lose money. Well done, mmorpg. You sold your dignity. Please, delete my user, but not censure my last thread.
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There's a difference between criticism and flat out flaming / baiting
Calling out that a game sucks needs more elaboration as to why etc. Just saying that some game sucks without any backing doesn't really float too well on these forums and is considered as flaming / trolling / baiting or whatever they choose it to be at the time.
I didn't see your post, but i bet it wasn't the most "mature" review we've seen on the forums
No matter how cynical you become, its never enough to keep up - Lily Tomlin
Yes, it clearly is a matter of how you say it, people criticize games all the time on these forums, excessively so in the opinion of some, and yet rarely get banned.
But there is an art to it, and if you come across too heavy handed, prone to excessive baiting and anger, you will find your self on a short leave of absence.
But as others have noted, there is no freedom of expression on any internet forum except perhaps the one you own and manage.
Their forums, their rules, and considering what we're paying them for it, I'd say it's a fair deal.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
In all honestly. I criticised games, criticised paradigm, criticised certain features or mechanics, criticised other posters, and never ever got a email(warning) or got banned from mmorpg.com.
As some other have already said.. maybe you should have not just called FF a bad game, you should also have named the reasons why FF sucks.
Ok.. i will do it for you
FF sucks, because it is just another old sama old themepark with anything we did not have played already the last ten years and more. It sucks, because you can basicly pick any other game from the last 10 years, and it is more or less as good and will deliver you more or less the same experience. I really can't stand another Themepark. They are all shit from a gaming perspective.
Its true.
If you just complain about a game in one line you may get a warning or a ban. But if you post a massive hate thread about a game going into great detail, your cool.
So the moral here is don't get right to the point on these forums. Drag it out it length and depth.
I highly doubt the warnings/bans are about posts of disliking a certain game. It's usually insults and criticizing other players that play said game that gets someone in trouble. There is a difference, yet all we see is 'I got banned for not liking game 'X' ' when in reality it's much broader in scope.
It is also a matter of how much you contribute positively to the site. If everything you say is negative at some point you do become a troll. No clue if that is pertinent for the original poster or not.
I mean when someone says something critical to a game I follow that is the first thing I check. Sometimes they just have an agenda.
I have not had a lot of good things to say about MMOs in the past few years. Somehow, I am able to say it (usually with reasons why) and not get warnings or bans. It really is not that difficult to act like a human being instead of a rage gamer. For me, anyway.
Too many posters believe that America (or any other free country) owns MMORPG.com. Newsflash! They do not. America's "Freedopm of Speech" rules/laws do not work here. There is no "Bill of Rights" here.
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
Yet another person who does not understand what the internet was all about before the year 2000. It was the wild west. You could say ANYTHING see ANYTHING look up ANYTHING. Your learning was only limited by what you could put into the search bar. If I wanted to learn how bombs work, or, wanted to know how chemical explosions work, I could just look it up. Not now. Not ever again.
The OP has a valid point. Now, I'm afraid to post anything on the internet, especially in forums like facebook, twitter, etc. which I don't use, for fear of legal reprisal.
I miss the good ole days of the true spirit of the internet. R.I.P.
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
Freedom of speech really has only to do with voicing your concerns about government, never with private individuals and only rarely (and even then there were limits. e.g. malls) with private companies.
As this is website is not government, freedom of speech is not applicable. The companies rules are applicable. You broke them, man up and deal with it.
Really?
Let me try.
EQ sucks.
Now let's see if this topic gets locked.
The gamers I know would simply leave a gameif they feel the game isn't for them, no need to spend energy on something you dislike in thiscase a form of entertainment. Most with some common sense move on. Unfortunaly many seem unable to do so and for what ever reason need to make comments without any constructive criticism.
We are unable to view OP's orignal post that got him banned, but most likely seeing the topic created here it wasn't much different. Besides OP has no desire to actually discus the matter due to his pretty childish rant and run post.
If it gets locked or not is a judgement call for MMORPG.com Staff.
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
A "right" is meaningless if it is not about whether i can do it. You can hypothesize all your want that i don't have the right to drink alcohol, but if you cannot enforce, what is the point?
And in this particular case, what is the price to pay? People says "game x sucks" here all day. I don't see them getting all banned. Heck, not even this thread is locked.
Well a website is always in control of their agenda as long as they conform to the law.They do at times"not often" act hypocritically but seem to ignore their own faults,that is a bad sign when you can't see your own faults but are VERY quick to point fingers at others.
What is advertising??It is a form of BAITING customers into spending money they most likely would not have spent.Well then if the customer is unhappy can they ask the site to give their money back for misleading them all for the sole reason of earning their own money from advertisers with ZERO care about the users?
Does one think when a site posts an advert they care about what the user thinks or the integrity of the product?What if the product flat out lies,are they going to say no we don't want your money because you are lying to our user base?
This is my opinion but i am much older than most so i have seen it all.There is absolutely ZERO reason to say you were baited into anger,you SHOULD have self control at ALL times,no game on this earth or another person should be used as a scapegoat for YOUR anger unless they made a DIRECT attack on you.Vague or generalizations are NOT directly pointing at you yet i have seen cases where some users act like they were which tells me they are just too quick to act immature themselves.
Even then we are taught or were taught when morals were MUCH better that two wrongs NEVER make a right.You should still maintain self control or you are no better than that person.Again my opinion but i feel i am right,any person in charge of conduct should be able to act as i mentioned,they SHOULD be the one/s showing the maturity level to overlook petty anger and really that is all game discussion is besides simple discussion, petty anger.
Simple FACT,anyone can say anything they want about any game on this earth,i am NEVER going to get mad at them,i will simply offer my opinion or facts to discredit a theory or other opinion and that is it.I don't go off all angry throwing things and telling everyone i am angry and start complaining to this site that i have been baited,that is just childish.I just forget it and move on.So if i can do it EVERYONE can,or they simply need to grow up.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.