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  • azmundaiazmundai Member UncommonPosts: 1,419

    Originally posted by Phry
     Hillarious!Funniest part is you can sort of imagine it being true, though i really hope it isn't
    if it wasn't true, it would be more than just pvp ... if it wasn't true, we wouldn't be in the third year of "pre-season" pvp ... while they milk us with another new ... probably broken ... pvp side game

    LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity.
    I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already :)

  • superniceguysuperniceguy Member UncommonPosts: 2,278
    Originally posted by gamer1979
    Originally posted by superniceguy
    Originally posted by bobdole1979
    Originally posted by superniceguy
    Originally posted by bobdole1979
    Originally posted by The1ceQueen
    Originally posted by gamer1979

    Wow some are still predicting tors closure.  I remember on their forums at launch people were predicting it would last a year.  Here we are over two years in the game is still moving along with new content about every 4-6 weeks.  

     

    I love over how some get to tor is closing

     

    so you take the square root of box sales / that by PI (3.141592)  / that by how many players they think tor has x by 2 - 50%+ how many people were on fleet 20 months ago the last time they played = tor closing .  It's just getting absurd you can't go to any gaming site and not run into these math majors.  

    EA milks failed mmo's to the last drop. It will gimp on like Warhammer did and suffer the same fate.

    If you really don't see the difference between WARHAMMER and this then I feel sorry for you.  

    WARHAMMER just after 6 months after launch was put into maintence mode.  They got reduced to only adding seasonal events.  The staff was stripped away either fired or moved to other studios.

     

    SWTOR however (Which EA has said is one of the top earning games) has continued to add new content every 6 to 8 months and we are talking about MAJOR additions to content not seasonal events. 

    SWTOR has also been hiring new staff which is a sign of growth.

    How many other MMOs can you name that add new meanigful content every 6 to 8 weeks?  

     

    Next year i imgane we will still be having this conversation as SWTOR continues to release more content, and the year after that and the year after that.  One day though maybe 5 to 8 years from now you people will be right and SWTOR will shut down.   Then you can claim "I told you so"  after SWTOR has been around for 7 to 10 years that is.

    SWTOR is already in maintenance mode. The content that they have been dishing out up until now has all been done before (or around launch when things were thriving before F2P), with the space PVP content being the last of it. Any content after the space update will be new. If the game did not lose 1.5 mill subs within the first 6 months and then go F2P, the game would have become so much more, with many more story based content, plus would have gotten a proper expansion instead of a free update they then called an expansion and charged people for, but the lack of subs has meant the game does not have the funding to create the intended content which would have kept people playing.

    Many people have lost their jobs and even the Doctors left the business. The only people I have seen where EA have  hired new people are cheap / free testers.

     

    really??  You think that Star Fighter was finished 2 years ago?  

    Yes, before launch they said that PVP space was coming after launch. The SSSP has been teased for ages since before mid 2012 where Bioware have claimed they have played the PVP space game, but were unable to disclose any information. With the game tanking its implementation was in doubt, but is finally coming now with no improvements like adding extra PVE elements

    Any chance you have a link to back up your bias assumption here? You could look through your copy/paste spreadsheet on your desktop.  Also yes makeb was being worked on before launch was not 100% complete.  Again please look through that copy/paste spreadsheet for any link that's says the last 2 areas along with the last 5 fps, 4 raids , new pvp content and all new gear was all done pre launch.  Until you post links to back up your non-educated bias assumption everyone here will treat them as such .  Worthless bias mumble jumble is all your copy/pasting is.

    There is no bias, it is what it is. The SSSP has been known for a very long time, and I think it was the SWTOR fans who first told me, after Bioware announced it somewhere on the official forums. Now the SSSP is just a boring PVP thing, what I have said from the horses mouth is now bias?

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  • gamer1979gamer1979 Member Posts: 28
    Originally posted by superniceguy
    Originally posted by gamer1979
    Originally posted by superniceguy
    Originally posted by bobdole1979
    Originally posted by superniceguy
    Originally posted by bobdole1979
    Originally posted by The1ceQueen
    Originally posted by gamer1979

    Wow some are still predicting tors closure.  I remember on their forums at launch people were predicting it would last a year.  Here we are over two years in the game is still moving along with new content about every 4-6 weeks.  

     

    I love over how some get to tor is closing

     

    so you take the square root of box sales / that by PI (3.141592)  / that by how many players they think tor has x by 2 - 50%+ how many people were on fleet 20 months ago the last time they played = tor closing .  It's just getting absurd you can't go to any gaming site and not run into these math majors.  

    EA milks failed mmo's to the last drop. It will gimp on like Warhammer did and suffer the same fate.

    If you really don't see the difference between WARHAMMER and this then I feel sorry for you.  

    WARHAMMER just after 6 months after launch was put into maintence mode.  They got reduced to only adding seasonal events.  The staff was stripped away either fired or moved to other studios.

     

    SWTOR however (Which EA has said is one of the top earning games) has continued to add new content every 6 to 8 months and we are talking about MAJOR additions to content not seasonal events. 

    SWTOR has also been hiring new staff which is a sign of growth.

    How many other MMOs can you name that add new meanigful content every 6 to 8 weeks?  

     

    Next year i imgane we will still be having this conversation as SWTOR continues to release more content, and the year after that and the year after that.  One day though maybe 5 to 8 years from now you people will be right and SWTOR will shut down.   Then you can claim "I told you so"  after SWTOR has been around for 7 to 10 years that is.

    SWTOR is already in maintenance mode. The content that they have been dishing out up until now has all been done before (or around launch when things were thriving before F2P), with the space PVP content being the last of it. Any content after the space update will be new. If the game did not lose 1.5 mill subs within the first 6 months and then go F2P, the game would have become so much more, with many more story based content, plus would have gotten a proper expansion instead of a free update they then called an expansion and charged people for, but the lack of subs has meant the game does not have the funding to create the intended content which would have kept people playing.

    Many people have lost their jobs and even the Doctors left the business. The only people I have seen where EA have  hired new people are cheap / free testers.

     

    really??  You think that Star Fighter was finished 2 years ago?  

    Yes, before launch they said that PVP space was coming after launch. The SSSP has been teased for ages since before mid 2012 where Bioware have claimed they have played the PVP space game, but were unable to disclose any information. With the game tanking its implementation was in doubt, but is finally coming now with no improvements like adding extra PVE elements

    Any chance you have a link to back up your bias assumption here? You could look through your copy/paste spreadsheet on your desktop.  Also yes makeb was being worked on before launch was not 100% complete.  Again please look through that copy/paste spreadsheet for any link that's says the last 2 areas along with the last 5 fps, 4 raids , new pvp content and all new gear was all done pre launch.  Until you post links to back up your non-educated bias assumption everyone here will treat them as such .  Worthless bias mumble jumble is all your copy/pasting is.

    There is no bias, it is what it is. The SSSP has been known for a very long time, and I think it was the SWTOR fans who first told me, after Bioware announced it somewhere on the official forums. Now the SSSP is just a boring PVP thing, what I have said from the horses mouth is now bias?

    Not bias, I dont think there could be a more bias signature towards a Video game then you have towards SWTOR.  Yes my friend you are bias.   Yeah your right they have been working on it for a long time whats wrong with that?  Ah yes a "SWTOR" Fan told you long long time ago they were working on a pvp only space combat.  Any change you still have that you saved so you can post it here?  Well any link to post would work on any of your bias assumptions. 

     

    So have you played the new space combat?  I am assuming no, so again your bias assumption that it is  boring is just another bias assumption.  

  • simpliussimplius Member UncommonPosts: 1,134

    this is mmo..bias is their business

    you like the game? they have one player more

    i dont like it..they have one player less

    swtor is currently performing like rift

    but rift did it without the big IP and a massive budget

    that is swtor in a nutshell.. big name, big budget, but standard performance

    shutting Down swg hurt them too, but not as much , as the massive pre launch hype

     

  • didjeramadidjerama Member Posts: 201
    Originally posted by gamer1979
    Originally posted by didjerama

    SWTOR has had 1,7 million subs? Never. Thats CONFIRMED, they said that number included those in first free month

    SWTOR has 500k subs? No it doesnt. Last they said was in May "under 500k". Which is 0-499999. ANd they said subs dropped.

    SWTOR has double F2P? Really? It has? lol

    Announced "accounts" mean something? Nope, not a thing, F2P games get 10ns of millins acounts. In fact only 1,7 million accounts is a bit dissapointing.

    SWTOR had surge of F2Pers back when it launched F2P and from that FELL DRASTICALLY. Same as it did after launch. Servers gone from full to constant light/standard with odd server going heavy.

    EA NEVER mentioned profit with SWTOR.

    Those are FACTS.

    Those are not FACTS those are your ASSUMPTIONS!  Facts come with factual evidence to back up a claim.  I'll play your game Swtor was one of the digital revenue producers for EA.  So you could take that as making money.  In their report what game DID they say made a profit?  Why are you just making a big stink about them not mentioning Swtor making a profit?  When they did not mention any single game making a profit?

     

    The improvement in digital revenues was fueled by a 11.0% increase in extra content and free-to-play segment. Revenues were positively impacted by strong sales of FIFA Ultimate Team, Star Wars: The Old Republic and FIFA Online 3.

     

    Swtor did create revenue for EA FACT!!! Here I'll provide you with proof above is a direct quote and here is the link from the quote.

     

    http://www.zacks.com/stock/news/113069/EA-Breezes-Past-Q2-Earnings-Revs-Estimates

     

    Now until you can provide some evidence with your ASSUMPTIONS please stop posting them.  YOURS ARE ASSUMPTIONS!!! NOT FACTS!!  I provided FACTS with a link to prove it.  Do you see the HUGE DIFFERENCE!! 

    Those are not my assumptions those are FACTS they released THEMSELVES.

    But since this is your 4th or 5th account just for trolling ill just ignore you....again

  • didjeramadidjerama Member Posts: 201
    Originally posted by deniromonk
    Originally posted by didjerama

    SWTOR has had 1,7 million subs? Never. Thats CONFIRMED, they said that number included those in first free month

    Thats your first point, and you are absolutly incorrect.  Let me share with you the exact quote form their first financial filing after SWTOR's launch:

    They put disclaimer THEMSELVES on it and said it INCLUDED people in their FIRST month.

    They siad majority of those 1,7 milliion decided to actually SUB but that takes anything fromm 1/2*1,7 - 1,7.

    Its questionable if SWTOR ever had 1 million subs in its lifetime.

  • jpnzjpnz Member Posts: 3,529

    This thread is still going? ROFL!

    I'm amazed that people can hate this game for not being 'SWG / SWG  EMU / SWG 2 / SWG Electric Bigaloo / SWG In the mountains Edition'.

     

    Gdemami -
    Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.

  • didjeramadidjerama Member Posts: 201
    Originally posted by simplius

    this is mmo..bias is their business

    you like the game? they have one player more

    i dont like it..they have one player less

    swtor is currently performing like rift

    but rift did it without the big IP and a massive budget

    that is swtor in a nutshell.. big name, big budget, but standard performance

    shutting Down swg hurt them too, but not as much , as the massive pre launch hype

     

    It sperforming better than Rift, but thats just because of IP.

    But taking everything into consideration, yah, not nearly where EA wanted it to be.

  • BurntvetBurntvet Member RarePosts: 3,465
    Originally posted by didjerama
    Originally posted by simplius

    this is mmo..bias is their business

    you like the game? they have one player more

    i dont like it..they have one player less

    swtor is currently performing like rift

    but rift did it without the big IP and a massive budget

    that is swtor in a nutshell.. big name, big budget, but standard performance

    shutting Down swg hurt them too, but not as much , as the massive pre launch hype

     

    It sperforming better than Rift, but thats just because of IP.

    But taking everything into consideration, yah, not nearly where EA wanted it to be.

    It cost at least 4 times more than Rift to make, if you count the marketing budget. Is it doing 4 times better than Rift? Nope.

    It is not just that TOR is "nothing special", it is the most expensive "nothing special" in the history of all computer and video games.

  • superniceguysuperniceguy Member UncommonPosts: 2,278
    Originally posted by gamer1979
    Originally posted by superniceguy
    Originally posted by gamer1979
    Originally posted by superniceguy
    Originally posted by bobdole1979
    Originally posted by superniceguy
    Originally posted by bobdole1979
    Originally posted by The1ceQueen
    Originally posted by gamer1979

    Wow some are still predicting tors closure.  I remember on their forums at launch people were predicting it would last a year.  Here we are over two years in the game is still moving along with new content about every 4-6 weeks.  

     

    I love over how some get to tor is closing

     

    so you take the square root of box sales / that by PI (3.141592)  / that by how many players they think tor has x by 2 - 50%+ how many people were on fleet 20 months ago the last time they played = tor closing .  It's just getting absurd you can't go to any gaming site and not run into these math majors.  

    EA milks failed mmo's to the last drop. It will gimp on like Warhammer did and suffer the same fate.

    If you really don't see the difference between WARHAMMER and this then I feel sorry for you.  

    WARHAMMER just after 6 months after launch was put into maintence mode.  They got reduced to only adding seasonal events.  The staff was stripped away either fired or moved to other studios.

     

    SWTOR however (Which EA has said is one of the top earning games) has continued to add new content every 6 to 8 months and we are talking about MAJOR additions to content not seasonal events. 

    SWTOR has also been hiring new staff which is a sign of growth.

    How many other MMOs can you name that add new meanigful content every 6 to 8 weeks?  

     

    Next year i imgane we will still be having this conversation as SWTOR continues to release more content, and the year after that and the year after that.  One day though maybe 5 to 8 years from now you people will be right and SWTOR will shut down.   Then you can claim "I told you so"  after SWTOR has been around for 7 to 10 years that is.

    SWTOR is already in maintenance mode. The content that they have been dishing out up until now has all been done before (or around launch when things were thriving before F2P), with the space PVP content being the last of it. Any content after the space update will be new. If the game did not lose 1.5 mill subs within the first 6 months and then go F2P, the game would have become so much more, with many more story based content, plus would have gotten a proper expansion instead of a free update they then called an expansion and charged people for, but the lack of subs has meant the game does not have the funding to create the intended content which would have kept people playing.

    Many people have lost their jobs and even the Doctors left the business. The only people I have seen where EA have  hired new people are cheap / free testers.

     

    really??  You think that Star Fighter was finished 2 years ago?  

    Yes, before launch they said that PVP space was coming after launch. The SSSP has been teased for ages since before mid 2012 where Bioware have claimed they have played the PVP space game, but were unable to disclose any information. With the game tanking its implementation was in doubt, but is finally coming now with no improvements like adding extra PVE elements

    Any chance you have a link to back up your bias assumption here? You could look through your copy/paste spreadsheet on your desktop.  Also yes makeb was being worked on before launch was not 100% complete.  Again please look through that copy/paste spreadsheet for any link that's says the last 2 areas along with the last 5 fps, 4 raids , new pvp content and all new gear was all done pre launch.  Until you post links to back up your non-educated bias assumption everyone here will treat them as such .  Worthless bias mumble jumble is all your copy/pasting is.

    There is no bias, it is what it is. The SSSP has been known for a very long time, and I think it was the SWTOR fans who first told me, after Bioware announced it somewhere on the official forums. Now the SSSP is just a boring PVP thing, what I have said from the horses mouth is now bias?

    Not bias, I dont think there could be a more bias signature towards a Video game then you have towards SWTOR.  Yes my friend you are bias.   Yeah your right they have been working on it for a long time whats wrong with that?  Ah yes a "SWTOR" Fan told you long long time ago they were working on a pvp only space combat.  Any change you still have that you saved so you can post it here?  Well any link to post would work on any of your bias assumptions. 

     

    So have you played the new space combat?  I am assuming no, so again your bias assumption that it is  boring is just another bias assumption.  

     

    Even people who are pro SWTOR do not like the new space combat, but I will try not to be biased anymore.

    Here we go - The game has over 2 millions subscribers and has not gone F2P, and LA has not closed down to sell to Disney, and the Doctors are still busy at Bioware creating more content for SWTOR, and SWTOR is far better than WOW giving EA/BW much more financial reward.

    Happy now?

     

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