Originally posted by GinazDoes the XBox One still require a fee to play online? Is it still going to be free for PS4 as it was for PS3? If so, PS4 wins IMO.
Both consoles have the same online pricing model this gen. If you want to play game online on the PS4, you have the pay a subscribtion like xbox live gold, and xbox one no longer requires an internet connection.
There are some differences in what you get out of the box, without a subscription. Both consoles require a subscription in order to play games online with other people. This isn't any different than how things currently are with both consoles. Also not different is that with the PS4, you can use Netflix, Youtube, the web browser, etc. without paying a subscription, as well as the game recording/uploading software. If you never watch Netflix, Youtube or Hulu, this doesn't matter. If your console is an entertainment console rather than just a games console, the PS4 offers more for less money.
I still want to know why the XB1 went with a 720p resolution, which, all individual declarations to the contrary, is kind of a big deal. With both consoles having the same hardware, what is it about the XB1's software stack that keeps it from pushing what is now the 2nd best resolution? i.e. 4k is the best, 1080p is second best and 720p is now third best.
What gives here?
PS4 has better hardware. Better Video Card for sure and DDR5 Ram. Xbox has a DDR3 Ram with ESRAM that they say is a better configuration then going with DDR5.
Originally posted by VastoHorde Battlefield 4 on both PS4 and Xbox One
I'm not fan of Xbox and I'm not graphically inclined but I cannot see a difference between the two. Without putting which was PS4 and which was Xbox I would never be able to tell the difference =/
You would see the difference when you see it on a 40 inches or more TV as I see a difference all the time between MGS4 which is in 1080p compared to every other game thats in 720p...and its a big difference.
It isn't a big difference at all. Just hate when Sony fanbois just love to hype nonsense up.
Dude I see the difference just from playing MGS4 and Uncharted games on my 42 inch TV and they are both PS3 games. Uncharted doesnt upscale to 1080p, it stays in 720p and MGS4 is 1080p native. Just hate when xbots dont have a clue
Dude you are the only one that doesn't have a clue. Your comparing ps3 game vs ps3 game. Even the pros that can't agree have said the difference is so minimum it won't matter. I would bet you put to 42 in TVs one Xbox one one ps4 you wouldn't not be able to pick the correct one 5 out of 10 times. Your desperation of trying to justify why your picking ps4 is sad.
Originally posted by VastoHorde Battlefield 4 on both PS4 and Xbox One
I'm not fan of Xbox and I'm not graphically inclined but I cannot see a difference between the two. Without putting which was PS4 and which was Xbox I would never be able to tell the difference =/
You would see the difference when you see it on a 40 inches or more TV as I see a difference all the time between MGS4 which is in 1080p compared to every other game thats in 720p...and its a big difference.
It isn't a big difference at all. Just hate when Sony fanbois just love to hype nonsense up.
Dude I see the difference just from playing MGS4 and Uncharted games on my 42 inch TV and they are both PS3 games. Uncharted doesnt upscale to 1080p, it stays in 720p and MGS4 is 1080p native. Just hate when xbots dont have a clue
Dude you are the only one that doesn't have a clue. Your comparing ps3 game vs ps3 game. Even the pros that can't agree have said the difference is so minimum it won't matter. I would bet you put to 42 in TVs one Xbox one one ps4 you wouldn't not be able to pick the correct one 5 out of 10 times. Your desperation of trying to justify why your picking ps4 is sad.
Originally posted by VastoHorde Battlefield 4 on both PS4 and Xbox One
What is astonishing about this video is that the Xbox One versions looks so much better than the PS4 1080p version. Something is not right with the PS4 version. Sony not telling the truth about something here.
Battlefield 4 does not run at native 1080p on either console.
Originally posted by VastoHorde Battlefield 4 on both PS4 and Xbox One
I'm not fan of Xbox and I'm not graphically inclined but I cannot see a difference between the two. Without putting which was PS4 and which was Xbox I would never be able to tell the difference =/
You would see the difference when you see it on a 40 inches or more TV as I see a difference all the time between MGS4 which is in 1080p compared to every other game thats in 720p...and its a big difference.
It isn't a big difference at all. Just hate when Sony fanbois just love to hype nonsense up.
Dude I see the difference just from playing MGS4 and Uncharted games on my 42 inch TV and they are both PS3 games. Uncharted doesnt upscale to 1080p, it stays in 720p and MGS4 is 1080p native. Just hate when xbots dont have a clue
Xbots that's cleaver well I got a name for ps4 players.
Not really. Its only call of duty after all and it could be as simple as getting finished drivers from Microsoft.
Sorry, but not the only one, there's a dedicated thread here to Battlefield 4 lower-res Xbone fiasco already, and those two games are huge. We can only expect more of this.
Anything can happen in the long run, but I bet PS4 start will be way better in sales.
Yup! They said the exact same thing between PS3 and XBOX360!
Oh wait..... in the end the XBOX360 outsold the PS3.
In the end I dont really care since I play majority of my games on PC, only time I play a game on a console is if its exclusive. I bought both PS3 and 360 and the 360 seems to be collecting the most dust.
Not really. Its only call of duty after all and it could be as simple as getting finished drivers from Microsoft.
Sorry, but not the only one, there's a dedicated thread here to Battlefield 4 lower-res Xbone fiasco already, and those two games are huge. We can only expect more of this.
Anything can happen in the long run, but I bet PS4 start will be way better in sales.
Yup! They said the exact same thing between PS3 and XBOX360!
Oh wait..... in the end the XBOX360 outsold the PS3.
Originally posted by GinazDoes the XBox One still require a fee to play online? Is it still going to be free for PS4 as it was for PS3? If so, PS4 wins IMO.
Both consoles have the same online pricing model this gen. If you want to play game online on the PS4, you have the pay a subscribtion like xbox live gold, and xbox one no longer requires an internet connection.
There are some differences in what you get out of the box, without a subscription. Both consoles require a subscription in order to play games online with other people. This isn't any different than how things currently are with both consoles. Also not different is that with the PS4, you can use Netflix, Youtube, the web browser, etc. without paying a subscription, as well as the game recording/uploading software. If you never watch Netflix, Youtube or Hulu, this doesn't matter. If your console is an entertainment console rather than just a games console, the PS4 offers more for less money. I still want to know why the XB1 went with a 720p resolution, which, all individual declarations to the contrary, is kind of a big deal. With both consoles having the same hardware, what is it about the XB1's software stack that keeps it from pushing what is now the 2nd best resolution? i.e. 4k is the best, 1080p is second best and 720p is now third best. What gives here?
PS4 has better hardware. Better Video Card for sure and DDR5 Ram. Xbox has a DDR3 Ram with ESRAM that they say is a better configuration then going with DDR5.
The hardware outside of the ram is nearly identical. The ram is not going to make a difference between 720p and 1080p, otherwise nothing would run at 1080p on the XB1.
Also of note is that the image is created at 720p on the XB1, but upscaled to 1080p for display. The visual difference is going to be slight. The PS4 will run native at 1080p. At least according to the executive producer. They didn't explain why though.
Originally posted by nerovipus32 There really isn't much difference between 1080p and 720p unless you have a top of the range TV. Even with that the difference is tiny.
Depends on the person. Some people won't notice anything, others will but won't care, some of us notice and bother us. I just really hate jaggies, heh heh. Like many things argued about on forums, how much it affects someone is subjective.
Though higher res will always help when trying to deal with anything that isn't close to your character.
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The hardware outside of the ram is nearly identical. The ram is not going to make a difference between 720p and 1080p, otherwise nothing would run at 1080p on the XB1.
Also of note is that the image is created at 720p on the XB1, but upscaled to 1080p for display. The visual difference is going to be slight. The PS4 will run native at 1080p. At least according to the executive producer. They didn't explain why though.
They're both capable of 1080p, but developers are having issues working with the esram. I suspect it'll be ironed out as they get more experience with the system.
Originally posted by nerovipus32 There really isn't much difference between 1080p and 720p unless you have a top of the range TV. Even with that the difference is tiny.
Going to 720p adds an additional 50% to the resolution. It's a noticeable difference if the television supports 1080p. It's been awhile since any television larger than 32" hasn't supported 1080p. If there really wasn't much difference, people would save money by buying 720p televisions and 1080p wouldn't be the standard. If there really wasn't any difference, the XB1 version wouldn't both with the extra step of upscaling the video to 1080p - which it does.
The visual difference between the systems is going to be slight, but it's not because of the difference between 720p and 1080p, it's because the XB1 will upscale the 720p image to 1080p.
The big question is why this is happening in the first place. There is no hardware reason for this. Both consoles are capable of easily pushing a 1080p image.
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Originally posted by Kaijin2k3 Originally posted by nerovipus32There really isn't much difference between 1080p and 720p unless you have a top of the range TV. Even with that the difference is tiny.Depends on the person. Some people won't notice anything, others will but won't care, some of us notice and bother us. I just really hate jaggies, heh heh. Like many things argued about on forums, how much it affects someone is subjective.Though higher res will always help when trying to deal with anything that isn't close to your character. Originally posted by lizardbones The hardware outside of the ram is nearly identical. The ram is not going to make a difference between 720p and 1080p, otherwise nothing would run at 1080p on the XB1. If you don't believe me, listen to the guy who created Resident Evil. (Gamespot) PS4 and Xbox One Specs Almost Identical - Resident Evil Creator ** Also of note is that the image is created at 720p on the XB1, but upscaled to 1080p for display. The visual difference is going to be slight. The PS4 will run native at 1080p. At least according to the executive producer. They didn't explain why though. http://venturebeat.com/2013/10/30/call-of-duty-ghosts-executive-producer-confirms-game-is-720p-on-xbox-one-1080p-on-playstation-4/
They're both capable of 1080p, but developers are having issues working with the esram. I suspect it'll be ironed out as they get more experience with the system.
Huh. If that twitter post is right, then the XB1 is having a few issues that are messing with all the games. If the ESRAM is a bottleneck on the whole system, then anything running on the system, whether it's the game or not is going to impact performance. That isn't developers getting used to the system, that's Microsoft building libraries that allow the system to run without artificial bottlenecks.
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Originally posted by VastoHordeWhat features are missing? From what I have read only Xbox One version will have voice recognition and head tracking.
From a very active thread right here in "General Gaming": PS4 has anti-aliasing, missing on Xbox One PS4 has HBAO ambient occlusion, missing on Xbox One PS4 has motion blur in multiplayer, missing on Xbox One PS4 runs at a higher framerate in spite of all of the above advantages Personal opinion:Anti-aliasing is pretty big. I game on a 40" TV and 1080p, without anti aliasing some games really annoy me with the jaggedness.
That thread you are referring to is tlaking about Battlefield 4.
Aside from that, the list you quoted from that thread is also wrong (possibly intentially, I say that because the article the OP quotes, clearly states it). The xbox version of BF4 does have both AA and HBAO.
There's no good reason that I can see for a difference in resolution between the consoles. The hardware is very nearly identical. A large part of the code base on both consoles should be very similar and even if there are differences, both consoles have libraries perfectly capable of 1080p. What gives?
There could be a good reason. You read these reviews and 1st the pros are having a hard time with which is better becasue its minimal at best. 2nd you do hear about PS4 having these error issues when being tested and no issues with the xbox one during testing. Maybe Microsoft is being conservative and using upscaling to have a better gaming experience while sony scrambles to correct these errors seen during testing.
There could be a good reason. You read these reviews and 1st the pros are having a hard time with which is better becasue its minimal at best. 2nd you do hear about PS4 having these error issues when being tested and no issues with the xbox one during testing. Maybe Microsoft is being conservative and using upscaling to have a better gaming experience while sony scrambles to correct these errors seen during testing.
That's just straight up grasping. Battefield and CoD are not Microsoft controlled, and the idea presented about MS wanting to be conservative falls apart when you point out some of MS' own games are 1080.
Be honest with you, I can't think of a single developer out there that will go, "Oh yeah, our games runs fine at 1080, but let's drop the res just in case." All of them will push it if able.
Screen size, where you sit, and what sort of vision you have determine if 1080 looks better than 720. For most using a screen under 50 inches the difference won't be noticeable.
A console willnever stand toe to toe with a gaming pc... And a gaming pc is probably cheaper too. Also more diverse more useful wider array of game genre and mighti add the only place to play mmos.
I still can't get over hoe much better Xbox's 720p looks so much better than Sony's 1080p. You would think 1080p would look a lot better but certainly not the case here. I'm shocked.
I don't play Console games (mostly), so I dont really care, but I always felt that most console players chose their favourite console rather by their emotional attachment to a brand rather than facts, and in part due to the unique game series. I guess most XBox fans would buy the next XBox anyway, no matter what technical details surface. It's a bit like the Apple and Mac fans. They pay twice as much for a crappy smartphone because of the nimbus.
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Originally posted by ThomasN7 I still can't get over hoe much better Xbox's 720p looks so much better than Sony's 1080p. You would think 1080p would look a lot better but certainly not the case here. I'm shocked.
To be fair, people are using a compressed 720p youtube video to compare 1080p feeds.
Ultimately, I'd just try to find a demo stand in BB or wherever and try them out first hand.
EDIT: Originally mentioned an article, only to double check and realize the article I referred to wasn't from this thread. Whoops
Originally posted by ThomasN7 I still can't get over hoe much better Xbox's 720p looks so much better than Sony's 1080p. You would think 1080p would look a lot better but certainly not the case here. I'm shocked.
The reason you are shocked Thomas is because you have no idea what your are looking at. If you think 720P looks better than 1080p then obviously what you are looking at is not 1080P.
As is shown in the link above, if you are comparing 720 and 1080 side by side, they should look almost identical from a resolution standpoint, on screens less than 50 inches. Its only above that size that 1080P appears to have the sharper image.
So snap that jaw closed because whatever you are looking at is not the real thing.
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PS4 has better hardware. Better Video Card for sure and DDR5 Ram. Xbox has a DDR3 Ram with ESRAM that they say is a better configuration then going with DDR5.
Dude you are the only one that doesn't have a clue. Your comparing ps3 game vs ps3 game. Even the pros that can't agree have said the difference is so minimum it won't matter. I would bet you put to 42 in TVs one Xbox one one ps4 you wouldn't not be able to pick the correct one 5 out of 10 times. Your desperation of trying to justify why your picking ps4 is sad.
All that matters is how cheap they are and what games the consoles are bundled with.
yea ok
Battlefield 4 does not run at native 1080p on either console.
Xbots that's cleaver well I got a name for ps4 players.
how about you PmSers don't have a clue!
Yup! They said the exact same thing between PS3 and XBOX360!
Oh wait..... in the end the XBOX360 outsold the PS3.
You were saying?
In the end the PS3 outsold the 360 http://www.vgchartz.com/
The hardware outside of the ram is nearly identical. The ram is not going to make a difference between 720p and 1080p, otherwise nothing would run at 1080p on the XB1.
If you don't believe me, listen to the guy who created Resident Evil.
(Gamespot) PS4 and Xbox One Specs Almost Identical - Resident Evil Creator
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Also of note is that the image is created at 720p on the XB1, but upscaled to 1080p for display. The visual difference is going to be slight. The PS4 will run native at 1080p. At least according to the executive producer. They didn't explain why though.
http://venturebeat.com/2013/10/30/call-of-duty-ghosts-executive-producer-confirms-game-is-720p-on-xbox-one-1080p-on-playstation-4/
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Depends on the person. Some people won't notice anything, others will but won't care, some of us notice and bother us. I just really hate jaggies, heh heh. Like many things argued about on forums, how much it affects someone is subjective.
Though higher res will always help when trying to deal with anything that isn't close to your character.
They're both capable of 1080p, but developers are having issues working with the esram. I suspect it'll be ironed out as they get more experience with the system.
Going to 720p adds an additional 50% to the resolution. It's a noticeable difference if the television supports 1080p. It's been awhile since any television larger than 32" hasn't supported 1080p. If there really wasn't much difference, people would save money by buying 720p televisions and 1080p wouldn't be the standard. If there really wasn't any difference, the XB1 version wouldn't both with the extra step of upscaling the video to 1080p - which it does.
The visual difference between the systems is going to be slight, but it's not because of the difference between 720p and 1080p, it's because the XB1 will upscale the 720p image to 1080p.
The big question is why this is happening in the first place. There is no hardware reason for this. Both consoles are capable of easily pushing a 1080p image.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Huh. If that twitter post is right, then the XB1 is having a few issues that are messing with all the games. If the ESRAM is a bottleneck on the whole system, then anything running on the system, whether it's the game or not is going to impact performance. That isn't developers getting used to the system, that's Microsoft building libraries that allow the system to run without artificial bottlenecks.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
There could be a good reason. You read these reviews and 1st the pros are having a hard time with which is better becasue its minimal at best. 2nd you do hear about PS4 having these error issues when being tested and no issues with the xbox one during testing. Maybe Microsoft is being conservative and using upscaling to have a better gaming experience while sony scrambles to correct these errors seen during testing.
That's just straight up grasping. Battefield and CoD are not Microsoft controlled, and the idea presented about MS wanting to be conservative falls apart when you point out some of MS' own games are 1080.
Be honest with you, I can't think of a single developer out there that will go, "Oh yeah, our games runs fine at 1080, but let's drop the res just in case." All of them will push it if able.
Screen size, where you sit, and what sort of vision you have determine if 1080 looks better than 720. For most using a screen under 50 inches the difference won't be noticeable.
http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/720p-vs-1080p-can-you-tell-the-difference-between-hdtv-resolutions/
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To be fair, people are using a compressed 720p youtube video to compare 1080p feeds.
Ultimately, I'd just try to find a demo stand in BB or wherever and try them out first hand.
EDIT: Originally mentioned an article, only to double check and realize the article I referred to wasn't from this thread. Whoops
The reason you are shocked Thomas is because you have no idea what your are looking at. If you think 720P looks better than 1080p then obviously what you are looking at is not 1080P.
As is shown in the link above, if you are comparing 720 and 1080 side by side, they should look almost identical from a resolution standpoint, on screens less than 50 inches. Its only above that size that 1080P appears to have the sharper image.
So snap that jaw closed because whatever you are looking at is not the real thing.
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