I'm not saying what you are doing is dumb. I was simply pointing out other options that you had. If you had wanted to upgrade everything in one go you probably could have done so by swapping CPUs. Just trying to help you out with most bang for buck on your budget.
Guess I should have worded that better as well as not so long, sorry. If I can get me a good gaming pc in two steps rather than one I'm ok with it. Maybe the CPU is complete overkill for me? I've never owned what most consider a gaming cpu.
I'm upgrading from an I3 530 (rather embarrassing). For the most part it's done surprisingly decent. Though it's limitations are always right there. Sins of a Solar Empire Rebellion: Huge map, 8 ai, and multiple large battles going on everywhere definitely shows it's limitations. Skyrim wasn't to bad with settings down. WAR for instance: Outside keeps while everyone was waiting for a tick my fps would tank. City battles same thing. Beyond a certain point turning graphics settings down did nothing.
If it makes any difference. Quiz put that post up correcting me which also made me go "hmm" for who knows how many times now. Kind of overwhelming taking all the information in. Much easier to watch for one item than try to find everything perfectly priced at the same time, for me anyways. I'll get one If I even need it currently.
My apologies, I really didn't mean to be rude. More of me being overwhelmed.
I have pretty much that same motherboard except socket 1155 running an i5 2500k. I had my cpu OCd to 4.4ghz until recently. I went back to stock clocks because other than saying it was overclocked there was nothing I needed the OC for. I cant see a need to upgrade my cpu for at least several years. And mine is 2 generations behind the one your getting.
Your CPU and motherboard will be fine for at least 3 years, if not more. And from my experience you should be able to OC the cpu easily on that motherboard as long as your not expecting something like 5ghz out of it. On mine I could get an easy 4.4 stable with just a minor voltage increase.
If your looking for a high OC then get a better more feature rich motherboard. If your like me and a moderate OC is all your looking for then that will be more than enough.
With what your buying you will have a solid PC. Upgrade your PSU and GPU when you need / want and that PC will last you for at least 3-4 years.
I went with intel my last build and have been very happy with it. I am sure you will as well.
Good luck and enjoy the new toys
Edit: On my msi mobo I could never get the OC genie thing to work as it should. Mine is an older model tho, you may have better luck.
I have pretty much that same motherboard except socket 1155 running an i5 2500k. I had my cpu OCd to 4.4ghz until recently. I went back to stock clocks because other than saying it was overclocked there was nothing I needed the OC for. I cant see a need to upgrade my cpu for at least several years. And mine is 2 generations behind the one your getting.
Your CPU and motherboard will be fine for at least 3 years, if not more. And from my experience you should be able to OC the cpu easily on that motherboard as long as your not expecting something like 5ghz out of it. On mine I could get an easy 4.4 stable with just a minor voltage increase.
If your looking for a high OC then get a better more feature rich motherboard. If your like me and a moderate OC is all your looking for then that will be more than enough.
With what your buying you will have a solid PC. Upgrade your PSU and GPU when you need / want and that PC will last you for at least 3-4 years.
I went with intel my last build and have been very happy with it. I am sure you will as well.
Good luck and enjoy the new toys
Edit: On my msi mobo I could never get the OC genie thing to work as it should. Mine is an older model tho, you may have better luck.
From what I have seen the OC genie is mostly a gimmick that is far from useful. Last time I tested it I think it boosted by about 100 mhz which is nothing.
You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.
Any reason not to buy a 770? The reason is that the 770 comes with Black Flag ($59.99 steam) and Arkham Origins ($49.99 steam). 770 $329 <-- link. Any reason why this would be bad move?
Edit: If there's nothing wrong with that purchase it essentially brings the card down to $219 factoring in the games. Black Flags been on my list. Arkham wasn't really but I did like the first 2. Just wasn't really on my must play.
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I would pair it with Rosewill CAPSTONE-650. 230w (gpu) +100 (cpu) + 100 for (others) = 430 I assume what's left over should leave me bit of room (overkill it seems) to do a moderate OC should I want to. Still doing a lot of reading and learning. I checked HARDOCP for a review of this unit. Ran a search on their site and they linked to a off site that did one of the 750 unit. But that site referenced the whole capstone line and this one is rated 80+ gold. They said a lot of good things about the 750 unit. I assume it's a trust worthy site if HardOCP referenced them/
First and foremost, it's your money, you buy what you want to buy.
If those games are valuable to you, then they are worth something.
The 770 is nearly identical to the older 680, which when it debuted in Spring 2012 was $500 retail, but often sold for much more because supplies were limited until later that summer). You do get an updated Boost version, which makes it superior to the 680, and it costs a lot less than it used to. It's a Kepler chip, and a nice architecture.
Generally, a R9 280X will perform better, and for a little less money. The R9 280X being essentially the same thing as the old 7970Ghz card. I don't think AMD has a game bundle promotion going on right now, although they usually do - they may be saving it for closer to Black Friday/Cyber Monday.
I certainly wouldn't hold my breath for the next series from nVidia any time soon - the 780Ti just came out, which means we are probably at least 6 months out, and probably much more than that.
Two of my systems run on ASUS GTX 680 Directcu II OC cards while another is using a reference design EVGA GTX 770. The ASUS cards are notably quieter but that is their intended function. The EVGA however has an easier time running the same games. Other hardware specs are nearly identical in all 3 systems. I've been too lazy to bother flashing the BIOS in the ASUS cards in order to bring them up to GTX 770 levels, which can be done for a "free upgade".
I'd highly recommend the GTX 770 if you in fact would have spent the money on the bundle games anyway as that level of performance at the "discounted" price is well worth it. Otherwise the AMD R9 280X would be the better deal.
EDIT: I got "lucky?" by purchasing my EVGA card back in mid September at the then $399 price and EVGA recently announced that anyone who purchased at the old price in the last 90 days can opt to upgrade to a GTX 780 for $15 plus S&H which I plan on doing.
First and foremost, it's your money, you buy what you want to buy.
If those games are valuable to you, then they are worth something.
The 770 is nearly identical to the older 680, which when it debuted in Spring 2012 was $500 retail, but often sold for much more because supplies were limited until later that summer). You do get an updated Boost version, which makes it superior to the 680, and it costs a lot less than it used to. It's a Kepler chip, and a nice architecture.
Generally, a R9 280X will perform better, and for a little less money. The R9 280X being essentially the same thing as the old 7970Ghz card. I don't think AMD has a game bundle promotion going on right now, although they usually do - they may be saving it for closer to Black Friday/Cyber Monday.
I certainly wouldn't hold my breath for the next series from nVidia any time soon - the 780Ti just came out, which means we are probably at least 6 months out, and probably much more than that.
The power supply you have picked is a good one.
7970 do have game bundles, though AMD's game options aren't that good. Suck actually. None of the R9 270's or 280's have any game promotions at least as of a few hours ago. I've been watching like a hawk all over the place. I just happened to come across that Nvidia bundle that New Egg did with that one 770 which is/was tempting because of A.C. Black Flag mainly. Thanks for the input.
Two of my systems run on ASUS GTX 680 Directcu II OC cards while another is using a reference design EVGA GTX 770. The ASUS cards are notably quieter but that is their intended function. The EVGA however has an easier time running the same games. Other hardware specs are nearly identical in all 3 systems. I've been too lazy to bother flashing the BIOS in the ASUS cards in order to bring them up to GTX 770 levels, which can be done for a "free upgade".
I'd highly recommend the GTX 770 if you in fact would have spent the money on the bundle games anyway as that level of performance at the "discounted" price is well worth it. Otherwise the AMD R9 280X would be the better deal.
EDIT: I got "lucky?" by purchasing my EVGA card back in mid September at the then $399 price and EVGA recently announced that anyone who purchased at the old price in the last 90 days can opt to upgrade to a GTX 780 for $15 plus S&H which I plan on doing.
Can't say I won't buy it. I don't see when that offer ends (for the games), which sucks. Yeah 780's to much for me. I probably shouldn't buy a gpu for awhile, though I guess I am going to at this point. Just waiting for a deal to pop up where my willpower fails me.
Trying to hold out till the end of the month since I went on and bought the other stuff early.
Two of my systems run on ASUS GTX 680 Directcu II OC cards while another is using a reference design EVGA GTX 770. The ASUS cards are notably quieter but that is their intended function. The EVGA however has an easier time running the same games. Other hardware specs are nearly identical in all 3 systems. I've been too lazy to bother flashing the BIOS in the ASUS cards in order to bring them up to GTX 770 levels, which can be done for a "free upgade".
I'd highly recommend the GTX 770 if you in fact would have spent the money on the bundle games anyway as that level of performance at the "discounted" price is well worth it. Otherwise the AMD R9 280X would be the better deal.
EDIT: I got "lucky?" by purchasing my EVGA card back in mid September at the then $399 price and EVGA recently announced that anyone who purchased at the old price in the last 90 days can opt to upgrade to a GTX 780 for $15 plus S&H which I plan on doing.
Can't say I won't buy it. I don't see when that offer ends (for the games), which sucks. Yeah 780's to much for me. I probably shouldn't buy a gpu for awhile, though I guess I am going to at this point. Just waiting for a deal to pop up where my willpower fails me.
Trying to hold out till the end of the month since I went on and bought the other stuff early.
Nothing wrong with buying a 770, especially with two good games for " free" so to speak.
Personally I would wait and see how your system performs once you get it all put together. And with the holidays coming up it is probably not a bad idea to see what you can pick up on sales. Between thxgiving and xmas you can more than likely find a deal on newegg or tigerdirect.com.
That would give you time to see how your system does and if you actually need to upgrade.
But it is your money and a 770 would be a nice card to have.
Two of my systems run on ASUS GTX 680 Directcu II OC cards while another is using a reference design EVGA GTX 770. The ASUS cards are notably quieter but that is their intended function. The EVGA however has an easier time running the same games. Other hardware specs are nearly identical in all 3 systems. I've been too lazy to bother flashing the BIOS in the ASUS cards in order to bring them up to GTX 770 levels, which can be done for a "free upgade".
I'd highly recommend the GTX 770 if you in fact would have spent the money on the bundle games anyway as that level of performance at the "discounted" price is well worth it. Otherwise the AMD R9 280X would be the better deal.
EDIT: I got "lucky?" by purchasing my EVGA card back in mid September at the then $399 price and EVGA recently announced that anyone who purchased at the old price in the last 90 days can opt to upgrade to a GTX 780 for $15 plus S&H which I plan on doing.
Can't say I won't buy it. I don't see when that offer ends (for the games), which sucks. Yeah 780's to much for me. I probably shouldn't buy a gpu for awhile, though I guess I am going to at this point. Just waiting for a deal to pop up where my willpower fails me.
Trying to hold out till the end of the month since I went on and bought the other stuff early.
Nothing wrong with buying a 770, especially with two good games for " free" so to speak.
Personally I would wait and see how your system performs once you get it all put together. And with the holidays coming up it is probably not a bad idea to see what you can pick up on sales. Between thxgiving and xmas you can more than likely find a deal on newegg or tigerdirect.com.
That would give you time to see how your system does and if you actually need to upgrade.
But it is your money and a 770 would be a nice card to have.
Well thinking about just giving my niece this pc. Is another reason. It will do pretty much whatever she wants since she's on social sites mostly and play games moderately if she wanted to. Though she's more into social sites and such. Looks rough but still runs decent, no issues. She's using a really bad laptop currently. I might even get something bigger at this point I'm looking at spend so much anyway.
I agree I should probably wait, just looking until my willpower fails. Been drooling so long though and window browsing just ready at this point to be done with it. Mainly was checking to make sure there were no serious issues with 770 that I should be aware of.
I apologize,really do. One last question then I am 100% done. Buying a R9 280x. Passing this pc onto my niece. It'll be a system I am happy with even if I didn't do it optimally. Will the 650 capstone be fine for a 280x while leaving me some room? The 280x recommends a 750w but I assume that's because they are compensating for a generic. Or should I get the Rosewill Capstone 750.
Originally posted by Hulluck I apologize,really do. One last question then I am 100% done. Buying a R9 280x. Passing this pc onto my niece. It'll be a system I am happy with even if I didn't do it optimally. Will the 650 capstone be fine for a 280x while leaving me some room? The 280x recommends a 750w but I assume that's because they are compensating for a generic. Or should I get the Rosewill Capstone 750.
650 would be fine. The 770 averages less power, but both the 770 and 280X have very similar TDPs (230W for the 770, 250W for the 280X).
Generally, a R9 280X will perform better, and for a little less money. The R9 280X being essentially the same thing as the old 7970Ghz card. I don't think AMD has a game bundle promotion going on right now, although they usually do - they may be saving it for closer to Black Friday/Cyber Monday.
The Radeon R9 280X is clocked lower than a Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition, while the GeForce GTX 770 is clocked substantially higher than the GeForce GTX 680, and in particular, the memory is clocked 17% higher. So I'd expect the GTX 770 to typically be the faster of the two cards.
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The value of a game bundle depends a lot on whether you want to play the games. I got DiRT 2 for free with my Radeon HD 5850, but never played it. It's easily possible for one person to say that this card has a much better game bundle than that card, while another person says it's the other way around.
If the GeForce GTX 770 fits your budget, then have at it.
game bundle is not a factor. just want the better of the two. bundle was a factor this morning. not any more. have not bought yet in Sams shopping atm. on mobile. ty again. going to buy when back at home so that it arrives fri as well.
So, i just read this thread. Gotta admit im impressed, lots of good advice, people being reasonable, etc, no rampant fanboism. Definitely impressed.
As far as the video cards/PSU. One thing i just wanna throw in, most decently made PSU's are at their most efficient between 30 and 80% load. with the peak usually around 45-55% load. Its usually a bad idea to buy too much power supply, i see lots of gamers go out and buy say a 1300w PSU for an SLI setup, or a 850w for a single card. It really is overkill. If you've got a decent 80plus certified PSU, an i5-4670k and a single GTX 770 would run fine on a 650w.
For a point of reference i have an i7-2600k OC'd to 4.2ghz, running dual superclocked EVGA 760s, 2x SSDs, 1x HDD, 3x 120mm Case Fans, 1x 200mm case fan, a high end CPU cooler, all on a corsair AX750 with 0 issues at all, fan on the PSU barely ramps up. Now granted thats a high end PSU, but its realistically only maybe 5% more efficient than an 80plus lower end corsair.
Just FYI.
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
Huuugge, no, MASSIVE Thank You to him for attempting to educate me. We had a few chats in pm's early on a month or two back. I was deciding what route I wanted to go. Upgrade current or full rebuild. Just to say I probably annoyed him a little. Sorry. That said Thank You, Thank You, Thank You!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Man you are awesome. A great asset to these forums.
Also, A huge Thank You to Jdnewell, Ridelynn, for a being willing to help me and be patient not to mention fairly responsive today as I flip flopped making my mind up. Simply amazing. THANK YOU.
Note: I mis-read Quiz's post it seems after looking again. I thought he was just comparing the 770 to the 680. when he said "of the two." Was using a friends phone while out and about shopping. However, I guess he was actually saying that the 770 was a bit faster than the 280x.
I switched it to the 770 after the realizing my mistake. Soo. stupid at times (me).
That said, if anyone see's any reason that I should absolutely change anything at all please say so. I will not be opening any boxes until the 16th (when my psu arrives).
Again. Thank you, Thank you, Thank You, Thank You everyone who helped and tossed information my way. Sorry about being a bit edgy or dense (so out of my league). I was trying to take a lot of information in here as well as all the articles one can find on any given piece or piece comparison.
Edit. A bit more clarification. I was reading speculation as well on other sites which lead me to make the bad pick and go against what was originally stated by everyone. Wasn't just me misreading a single post (even though I did). Almost a very stupid moment. I did catch it right after I made the order and changed it.
I didn't read the whole thread, so pardon me if someone has already mentioned this. If looks are important to you then that PSU may be a nightmare. I have not made a build without a modular PSU before but I hear the cords can be a bit annoying.
Originally posted by DeanGrey I didn't read the whole thread, so pardon me if someone has already mentioned this. If looks are important to you then that PSU may be a nightmare. I have not made a build without a modular PSU before but I hear the cords can be a bit annoying.
I saw that too. However, there is a review on New Egg saying that there is plenty of room in the case I am putting everything in(to hide it / to deal with it). They had the very same case that Quizzical combo'ed for me which all this stuffs going in. First link in the initial $700 build he posted early on. So I stayed with this one.
Sorry, I have done a bit of editing to this and the previous post. Just correcting wording a little. A bit worn out from a busy day in general.
Got it setup and put together. Made a few mistakes like the plug cover that goes on the back of the case. A couple prongs that were suppose to be on the outside of the plugs were on the inside. Just didn't catch it. Thankfully I was still testing at this point and nothing was zip-tied it.
Certain things about windows 8 annoyed me. Actually was up all night last night tweaking it(12+ hours). Still not exactly how I want it. Just need to figure out how to keep the start menu without changing the WIndows 7/ 8 style menu windows. For instance currently it's showing like the old windows 95 style control panel.
Idle temps are 27-29c. Gaming temps looked pretty good. Looded up Batman everything turned up and it's amazing. Areas in Rift that generally give a decent amount of people issues, seem fine. For instance Conquests, Zero issues on ultra settings.
Haven't really done any tests. I ran burn test to get an idea of load temps real quick. Cooler felt a little loose but from reading guess being able to slightly twist it is normal.
Putting the parts in and turning the system on was rather straight forward minus my errors. No DOA stuff rather happy with it. Can't tell if Boost is working or not. in intelburn I never saw the core clocks go up. Saw the voltage spike pretty high.
USB 3.0 plug for the front connect on the case is crappy. Doesn't snap in or anything so rather loose.I zip tied it in such a way though should prevent it from jarring out.
For as many fans as it has going. It's rather quiet. Wouldn't recommend the case. Storage rack holders are riveted in. would be nice if they were more modular just to help with air flow. Like the whole rack section not just the sleeves were removable in sections. I wasn't sure what to look for in a case, what I liked or disliked. After messing with it, I think that I would've swapped it for a more modular designed rack system. Drive racks themselves pull out. Just not the sleeve rack holders.
It does have plenty of space. I didn't tuck or have to hide any wires were the drive racks go. All nicely zip-tied on the back panel. It's sturdy.
I faced my psu with the fan facing up. Not sure if I will switch this. Like the idea of it helping to pull air through the case. Dust bothers me though. Guess I will just have to keep an eye on it.
Using the same PCIE cord for the 6 + 8 pin plugs. Figured it would be ok since it's designed that way for sli. One less wire bundle in the front part of the case.
Certain things about windows 8 annoyed me. Actually was up all night last night tweaking it(12+ hours). Still not exactly how I want it. Just need to figure out how to keep the start menu without changing the WIndows 7/ 8 style menu windows. For instance currently it's showing like the old windows 95 style control panel.
Save yourself some grief by spending $4.99 for Stardock's Start8. I used it with Win 8 and still use it with 8.1. It gives you the same exact Start menu experience you had with Win7.
This way you get all the current OS WIn8 tech and the Win7 GUI that Win8 just did not improve on - at least not for desktops.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
Certain things about windows 8 annoyed me. Actually was up all night last night tweaking it(12+ hours). Still not exactly how I want it. Just need to figure out how to keep the start menu without changing the WIndows 7/ 8 style menu windows. For instance currently it's showing like the old windows 95 style control panel.
Save yourself some grief by spending $4.99 for Stardock's Start8. I used it with Win 8 and still use it with 8.1. It gives you the same exact Start menu experience you had with Win7.
This way you get all the current OS WIn8 tech and the Win7 GUI that Win8 just did not improve on - at least not for desktops.
I saw that. Will the menu system stay the same like in 7 and 8? Like when you open up the control panel it will look exactly like it did in 7? Classic starts not bad but it changed more than I would have liked. Menus look like they are dated back to Win 98.
Certain things about windows 8 annoyed me. Actually was up all night last night tweaking it(12+ hours). Still not exactly how I want it. Just need to figure out how to keep the start menu without changing the WIndows 7/ 8 style menu windows. For instance currently it's showing like the old windows 95 style control panel.
Save yourself some grief by spending $4.99 for Stardock's Start8. I used it with Win 8 and still use it with 8.1. It gives you the same exact Start menu experience you had with Win7.
This way you get all the current OS WIn8 tech and the Win7 GUI that Win8 just did not improve on - at least not for desktops.
I saw that. Will the menu system stay the same like in 7 and 8? Like when you open up the control panel it will look exactly like it did in 7? Classic starts not bad but it changed more than I would have liked. Menus look like they are dated back to Win 98.
You have a lot of options for tweaking it but the default when it installs is exactly like Win7 (minus the MS proprietary icon - you have several "Start" icon choices.) I just leave mine that way.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
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Guess I should have worded that better as well as not so long, sorry. If I can get me a good gaming pc in two steps rather than one I'm ok with it. Maybe the CPU is complete overkill for me? I've never owned what most consider a gaming cpu.
I'm upgrading from an I3 530 (rather embarrassing). For the most part it's done surprisingly decent. Though it's limitations are always right there. Sins of a Solar Empire Rebellion: Huge map, 8 ai, and multiple large battles going on everywhere definitely shows it's limitations. Skyrim wasn't to bad with settings down. WAR for instance: Outside keeps while everyone was waiting for a tick my fps would tank. City battles same thing. Beyond a certain point turning graphics settings down did nothing.
If it makes any difference. Quiz put that post up correcting me which also made me go "hmm" for who knows how many times now. Kind of overwhelming taking all the information in. Much easier to watch for one item than try to find everything perfectly priced at the same time, for me anyways. I'll get one If I even need it currently.
My apologies, I really didn't mean to be rude. More of me being overwhelmed.
I have pretty much that same motherboard except socket 1155 running an i5 2500k. I had my cpu OCd to 4.4ghz until recently. I went back to stock clocks because other than saying it was overclocked there was nothing I needed the OC for. I cant see a need to upgrade my cpu for at least several years. And mine is 2 generations behind the one your getting.
Your CPU and motherboard will be fine for at least 3 years, if not more. And from my experience you should be able to OC the cpu easily on that motherboard as long as your not expecting something like 5ghz out of it. On mine I could get an easy 4.4 stable with just a minor voltage increase.
If your looking for a high OC then get a better more feature rich motherboard. If your like me and a moderate OC is all your looking for then that will be more than enough.
With what your buying you will have a solid PC. Upgrade your PSU and GPU when you need / want and that PC will last you for at least 3-4 years.
I went with intel my last build and have been very happy with it. I am sure you will as well.
Good luck and enjoy the new toys
Edit: On my msi mobo I could never get the OC genie thing to work as it should. Mine is an older model tho, you may have better luck.
From what I have seen the OC genie is mostly a gimmick that is far from useful. Last time I tested it I think it boosted by about 100 mhz which is nothing.
You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.
Any reason not to buy a 770? The reason is that the 770 comes with Black Flag ($59.99 steam) and Arkham Origins ($49.99 steam). 770 $329 <-- link. Any reason why this would be bad move?
Edit: If there's nothing wrong with that purchase it essentially brings the card down to $219 factoring in the games. Black Flags been on my list. Arkham wasn't really but I did like the first 2. Just wasn't really on my must play.
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I would pair it with Rosewill CAPSTONE-650. 230w (gpu) +100 (cpu) + 100 for (others) = 430 I assume what's left over should leave me bit of room (overkill it seems) to do a moderate OC should I want to. Still doing a lot of reading and learning. I checked HARDOCP for a review of this unit. Ran a search on their site and they linked to a off site that did one of the 750 unit. But that site referenced the whole capstone line and this one is rated 80+ gold. They said a lot of good things about the 750 unit. I assume it's a trust worthy site if HardOCP referenced them/
First and foremost, it's your money, you buy what you want to buy.
If those games are valuable to you, then they are worth something.
The 770 is nearly identical to the older 680, which when it debuted in Spring 2012 was $500 retail, but often sold for much more because supplies were limited until later that summer). You do get an updated Boost version, which makes it superior to the 680, and it costs a lot less than it used to. It's a Kepler chip, and a nice architecture.
Generally, a R9 280X will perform better, and for a little less money. The R9 280X being essentially the same thing as the old 7970Ghz card. I don't think AMD has a game bundle promotion going on right now, although they usually do - they may be saving it for closer to Black Friday/Cyber Monday.
I certainly wouldn't hold my breath for the next series from nVidia any time soon - the 780Ti just came out, which means we are probably at least 6 months out, and probably much more than that.
The power supply you have picked is a good one.
*edit*
Looks like AMD just updated their game bundle today: BF4 or pick 3 from a list for the 280X
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7511/amd-announces-new-game-bundles-for-radeon-r7-260x-above
http://sites.amd.com/us/promo/never-settle/Pages/nsreloadedforever.aspx
Two of my systems run on ASUS GTX 680 Directcu II OC cards while another is using a reference design EVGA GTX 770. The ASUS cards are notably quieter but that is their intended function. The EVGA however has an easier time running the same games. Other hardware specs are nearly identical in all 3 systems. I've been too lazy to bother flashing the BIOS in the ASUS cards in order to bring them up to GTX 770 levels, which can be done for a "free upgade".
I'd highly recommend the GTX 770 if you in fact would have spent the money on the bundle games anyway as that level of performance at the "discounted" price is well worth it. Otherwise the AMD R9 280X would be the better deal.
EDIT: I got "lucky?" by purchasing my EVGA card back in mid September at the then $399 price and EVGA recently announced that anyone who purchased at the old price in the last 90 days can opt to upgrade to a GTX 780 for $15 plus S&H which I plan on doing.
7970 do have game bundles, though AMD's game options aren't that good. Suck actually. None of the R9 270's or 280's have any game promotions at least as of a few hours ago. I've been watching like a hawk all over the place. I just happened to come across that Nvidia bundle that New Egg did with that one 770 which is/was tempting because of A.C. Black Flag mainly. Thanks for the input.
Can't say I won't buy it. I don't see when that offer ends (for the games), which sucks. Yeah 780's to much for me. I probably shouldn't buy a gpu for awhile, though I guess I am going to at this point. Just waiting for a deal to pop up where my willpower fails me.
Trying to hold out till the end of the month since I went on and bought the other stuff early.
Nothing wrong with buying a 770, especially with two good games for " free" so to speak.
Personally I would wait and see how your system performs once you get it all put together. And with the holidays coming up it is probably not a bad idea to see what you can pick up on sales. Between thxgiving and xmas you can more than likely find a deal on newegg or tigerdirect.com.
That would give you time to see how your system does and if you actually need to upgrade.
But it is your money and a 770 would be a nice card to have.
Well thinking about just giving my niece this pc. Is another reason. It will do pretty much whatever she wants since she's on social sites mostly and play games moderately if she wanted to. Though she's more into social sites and such. Looks rough but still runs decent, no issues. She's using a really bad laptop currently. I might even get something bigger at this point I'm looking at spend so much anyway.
I agree I should probably wait, just looking until my willpower fails. Been drooling so long though and window browsing just ready at this point to be done with it. Mainly was checking to make sure there were no serious issues with 770 that I should be aware of.
I apologize,really do. One last question then I am 100% done. Buying a R9 280x. Passing this pc onto my niece. It'll be a system I am happy with even if I didn't do it optimally.
Will the 650 capstone be fine for a 280x while leaving me some room? The 280x recommends a 750w but I assume that's because they are compensating for a generic. Or should I get the Rosewill Capstone 750.
650 would be fine. The 770 averages less power, but both the 770 and 280X have very similar TDPs (230W for the 770, 250W for the 280X).
The Radeon R9 280X is clocked lower than a Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition, while the GeForce GTX 770 is clocked substantially higher than the GeForce GTX 680, and in particular, the memory is clocked 17% higher. So I'd expect the GTX 770 to typically be the faster of the two cards.
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The value of a game bundle depends a lot on whether you want to play the games. I got DiRT 2 for free with my Radeon HD 5850, but never played it. It's easily possible for one person to say that this card has a much better game bundle than that card, while another person says it's the other way around.
If the GeForce GTX 770 fits your budget, then have at it.
quiz gou are not maming the cboice easy lol.
So, i just read this thread. Gotta admit im impressed, lots of good advice, people being reasonable, etc, no rampant fanboism. Definitely impressed.
As far as the video cards/PSU. One thing i just wanna throw in, most decently made PSU's are at their most efficient between 30 and 80% load. with the peak usually around 45-55% load. Its usually a bad idea to buy too much power supply, i see lots of gamers go out and buy say a 1300w PSU for an SLI setup, or a 850w for a single card. It really is overkill. If you've got a decent 80plus certified PSU, an i5-4670k and a single GTX 770 would run fine on a 650w.
For a point of reference i have an i7-2600k OC'd to 4.2ghz, running dual superclocked EVGA 760s, 2x SSDs, 1x HDD, 3x 120mm Case Fans, 1x 200mm case fan, a high end CPU cooler, all on a corsair AX750 with 0 issues at all, fan on the PSU barely ramps up. Now granted thats a high end PSU, but its realistically only maybe 5% more efficient than an 80plus lower end corsair.
Just FYI.
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
If the 770 has two games you will actually play it may end up being the better deal for you.
I have both AC: Black Flag and Batman: AO. Both are fantastic and are a good buy regardless of the bundle.
And yes a good 650w PSU is all you will need and then some with a single gpu setup.
This is what I ended up with links:
GTX 770
Rosewill Capstone 650
WD 1 tb
Plus all the parts that Quizzical helped me with.
Huuugge, no, MASSIVE Thank You to him for attempting to educate me. We had a few chats in pm's early on a month or two back. I was deciding what route I wanted to go. Upgrade current or full rebuild. Just to say I probably annoyed him a little. Sorry. That said Thank You, Thank You, Thank You!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Man you are awesome. A great asset to these forums.
Also, A huge Thank You to Jdnewell, Ridelynn, for a being willing to help me and be patient not to mention fairly responsive today as I flip flopped making my mind up. Simply amazing. THANK YOU.
Note: I mis-read Quiz's post it seems after looking again. I thought he was just comparing the 770 to the 680. when he said "of the two." Was using a friends phone while out and about shopping. However, I guess he was actually saying that the 770 was a bit faster than the 280x.
I switched it to the 770 after the realizing my mistake. Soo. stupid at times (me).
That said, if anyone see's any reason that I should absolutely change anything at all please say so. I will not be opening any boxes until the 16th (when my psu arrives).
Again. Thank you, Thank you, Thank You, Thank You everyone who helped and tossed information my way. Sorry about being a bit edgy or dense (so out of my league). I was trying to take a lot of information in here as well as all the articles one can find on any given piece or piece comparison.
Edit. A bit more clarification. I was reading speculation as well on other sites which lead me to make the bad pick and go against what was originally stated by everyone. Wasn't just me misreading a single post (even though I did). Almost a very stupid moment. I did catch it right after I made the order and changed it.
Didn't go through all the pages but the first 2 didn't have it.
http://www.logicalincrements.com
I saw that too. However, there is a review on New Egg saying that there is plenty of room in the case I am putting everything in(to hide it / to deal with it). They had the very same case that Quizzical combo'ed for me which all this stuffs going in. First link in the initial $700 build he posted early on. So I stayed with this one.
Sorry, I have done a bit of editing to this and the previous post. Just correcting wording a little. A bit worn out from a busy day in general.
Update:
Got it setup and put together. Made a few mistakes like the plug cover that goes on the back of the case. A couple prongs that were suppose to be on the outside of the plugs were on the inside. Just didn't catch it. Thankfully I was still testing at this point and nothing was zip-tied it.
Certain things about windows 8 annoyed me. Actually was up all night last night tweaking it(12+ hours). Still not exactly how I want it. Just need to figure out how to keep the start menu without changing the WIndows 7/ 8 style menu windows. For instance currently it's showing like the old windows 95 style control panel.
Idle temps are 27-29c. Gaming temps looked pretty good. Looded up Batman everything turned up and it's amazing. Areas in Rift that generally give a decent amount of people issues, seem fine. For instance Conquests, Zero issues on ultra settings.
Haven't really done any tests. I ran burn test to get an idea of load temps real quick. Cooler felt a little loose but from reading guess being able to slightly twist it is normal.
Putting the parts in and turning the system on was rather straight forward minus my errors. No DOA stuff rather happy with it. Can't tell if Boost is working or not. in intelburn I never saw the core clocks go up. Saw the voltage spike pretty high.
USB 3.0 plug for the front connect on the case is crappy. Doesn't snap in or anything so rather loose.I zip tied it in such a way though should prevent it from jarring out.
For as many fans as it has going. It's rather quiet. Wouldn't recommend the case. Storage rack holders are riveted in. would be nice if they were more modular just to help with air flow. Like the whole rack section not just the sleeves were removable in sections. I wasn't sure what to look for in a case, what I liked or disliked. After messing with it, I think that I would've swapped it for a more modular designed rack system. Drive racks themselves pull out. Just not the sleeve rack holders.
It does have plenty of space. I didn't tuck or have to hide any wires were the drive racks go. All nicely zip-tied on the back panel. It's sturdy.
I faced my psu with the fan facing up. Not sure if I will switch this. Like the idea of it helping to pull air through the case. Dust bothers me though. Guess I will just have to keep an eye on it.
Using the same PCIE cord for the 6 + 8 pin plugs. Figured it would be ok since it's designed that way for sli. One less wire bundle in the front part of the case.
Save yourself some grief by spending $4.99 for Stardock's Start8. I used it with Win 8 and still use it with 8.1. It gives you the same exact Start menu experience you had with Win7.
This way you get all the current OS WIn8 tech and the Win7 GUI that Win8 just did not improve on - at least not for desktops.
http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
I saw that. Will the menu system stay the same like in 7 and 8? Like when you open up the control panel it will look exactly like it did in 7? Classic starts not bad but it changed more than I would have liked. Menus look like they are dated back to Win 98.
You have a lot of options for tweaking it but the default when it installs is exactly like Win7 (minus the MS proprietary icon - you have several "Start" icon choices.) I just leave mine that way.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED