Im realy amazed that majority of you not even ones analyse yourself or fellow gamers and conclude besides AV failor your also big part of that failor.
If all of you who started in DF1 not have cheated so much, with afk macro and exploits and less whine about timesink grind and being pked as newbee DF1 or try splitting up server Darkfall 1 would still be running.
And if 99.99% say macro was no cheating i give shit in my book most of you cheated and it destroyed the game overall.
Ive played Darkfall 1 BETA and from launch 2.5years Darkfall 1 so i know what im talking about.
True hardcore are only few thats one of things ive discovered after launched of DFO while before launch i realy thought many could cope with harsh game like this and its hardcore gameplay with no fast gain of skills man was i mistaken so sad so little where real hardcore pvp players.
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I've never cheated in any game, including Darkfall. I have never seen the point of cheating - I guess I prefer to lose on my own terms then win on someone else's.
To say that Darkfall 1 or DFUW failed because of cheaters is, however, simply wrong.
It failed because Aventurine was unable to continue developing the game in an effective manner and because they failed to properly communicate with their ever-dwindling playerbase.
Eve is not a good example of anything. Eve is an example of what a game with absolutely no competition in its market is capable of doing. We'll see what kind of hit it takes when Star Citizen comes out and actually gives it a little competition.
Trying to say that a FFA PvP game has to be more like Eve is just disingenuous though. For me DF just wasn't a very good game and they were bull headed and never gave out free trials for DFUW so they killed any chance they ever had of expanding their player base.
Free trials would make no difference in the mid-term to population in DFUW.
Only the removal of Aventurine from the equation will make things better. After all, look at the difference that the game is having in Asia already - just with a better developer and producer.
Free trials would make no difference in the mid-term to population in DFUW.
Only the removal of Aventurine from the equation will make things better. After all, look at the difference that the game is having in Asia already - just with a better developer and producer.
The developers in asia are the same developers in Greece. It's all Aventurine. The ONLY difference is in Asia, the publisher does more marketing. All the changes in the asian release were made by Aventurine.
And this game, whether you like how often it has been updated or not, would not exist without Aventurine. Just about every other publisher that offered to buy it said they'd remove FFA PvP and full loot, which is why AV never went with those publishers.
The new features being tested in Asia will only help in the west, as will the cash flow and updates.
And yes, free trials would go a long way to making people play this game. Most people don't want to drop 40 bucks on such a polarizing game. But many, after trying it, would probably love to play.
Aventurine is AWFUL with their time tables and communication, but the game they made is a technical wonder and the only good PvP game since DAoC. If you like the game, they still deserve your support. If you don't like the game... why are you here? It's the same small group of people making post after post complaining.
The game is far from dead, according to the drunk new dev, it has 20 thousand subscribers ,and needs 15 thousand more to make a comfortable profit. That's certainly not impossible to do, especially after the launch in Asia.
Originally posted by Mad+Dog
DF failed simply because of AV, they are a god awful company.
I really hope they fold asap and never make another game. I have no idea how you played UW for so long Maejohl.
Gutted what happened to DF1.
I'm really tired of this polarized frothy logic. You loved DF1 apparently, made by Aventurine. Yet you say AV is god awful and you hope they don't do anything ever again? You, who loved the first game they made and posted about it constantly? And because they made a different version with most of the exploits removed, now that company is the worst ever?
And if DF failed, why is Unholy Wars more populated than Darkfall 1? (look up DF1 clan numbers, it is way smaller than UW).
And yup, that thread I took the screenshot of has already been deleted.
AV is trying really hard to make critisism optically vanish in order to make people think that there are only a couple of hardcore "haters" and their game is doing just fine. It is not and more and more people do realize it and voice their opinion... until it gets deleted.
There are so many indie developers who want to start from scratch to work on a sandboxish mmo; why can't one of them start a kickstarter to buy DF from Aventurine?
Because it would cost way way more money than a Kickstarter could ever make, and because the engine is way more complex than almost anyone outside AV could handle without studying it for a year?
And no, AV is deleting by the same rules they've deleted for the last 9 years. If they were trying to make all bad press vanish, half the forums would be gone. AV's moderators, whether you want to believe it or not, let the forumfall community get away with murder, and if you deny that, you are blatantly lying, or have never been on those forums.
The only difference I can detect in the forums now vs the last 6 years I've posted there, is they consolodate more threads and try to keep them constructive to help the devs, vs mindless screaming into the night and swearing and racist slurs, which are the usual posts on those forums.
As for the screenshotted thread above, it has always, since DAY ONE of the forums, been a rule that threads discussing the moderation get deleted. If you have a moderation problem, you send PMs and it usually gets resolved. IN THIS CASE, the video mentioned in that thread wasn't deleted. It was moved. By mistake. The person who posted the video did what you're supposed to do, PM'd someone, and the thread came back. So, please, stop with the sensationalizing. You're just wrong here.
There are so many reasons why Darkfall has failed as a game in the West.
However, the main reason is:
Aventurine.
Their continued failure to:
communicate;
make the game interesting beyond the initial prowess gain;
communicate;
make the game interesting for anyone other than the most mindless, hardcore arena player;
communicate;
keep to any of the timetables they have set for themselves; and
did I mention communicate?,
has brought the Western playerbase to its knees.
Given that we know (from the drunken ravings of one of the core developer team) that Aventurine:
is also now facing insolvency,
has stopped paying all of its employees; and
needs another 15,000 (this figure could be wrong) people to buy the game in the West for them to be able to keep on running as a company,
the writing is very much on the wall for both the Western version of Darkfall and the company itself.
I agree with most of what you said other than it only being fun for the hardcore arena player. It's not fun for hardcore pvpers either as it's not that easy to find pvp as there is no reason to go in the open world.
Where did you get that other information? I'd be curious to find out if that's just hearsay or if you actually found a reliable source for that?
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There are so many reasons why Darkfall has failed as a game in the West.
However, the main reason is:
Aventurine.
Their continued failure to:
communicate;
make the game interesting beyond the initial prowess gain;
communicate;
make the game interesting for anyone other than the most mindless, hardcore arena player;
communicate;
keep to any of the timetables they have set for themselves; and
did I mention communicate?,
has brought the Western playerbase to its knees.
Given that we know (from the drunken ravings of one of the core developer team) that Aventurine:
is also now facing insolvency,
has stopped paying all of its employees; and
needs another 15,000 (this figure could be wrong) people to buy the game in the West for them to be able to keep on running as a company,
the writing is very much on the wall for both the Western version of Darkfall and the company itself.
I agree with most of what you said other than it only being fun for the hardcore arena player. It's not fun for hardcore pvpers either as it's not that easy to find pvp as there is no reason to go in the open world.
Where did you get that other information? I'd be curious to find out if that's just hearsay or if you actually found a reliable source for that?
His source is third hand.
The original source of that is Claus, one of the original Darkfall developers who recently came back to get Unholy Wars back on track. He did a drunk Q&A and most people missed it. One poster summed up some of what he said, and then this person kind of half quoted that summary, but got most of it wrong.
The summary said that there were a lot of unpaid interns at Aventurine. The summary said that AV was hurting, had about 20k subs and needed 15k to be totally in the clear (odd wording here in the summary) and the summary said that AV has loans they need to pay off. That's it, any additional information was added by the poster above. (he also commented on things he wanted to add to the game)
Originally posted by Maejohl Free trials would make no difference in the mid-term to population in DFUW.Only the removal of Aventurine from the equation will make things better. After all, look at the difference that the game is having in Asia already - just with a better developer and producer.
Free trials would almost certainly give them a spike in population. How many people want to drop cash on a game that is not doing that well, is aimed at a niche market and has a monthly sub. The people willing to do this already did. So for every player that quits there just isn't anyone to replace them. It doesn't matter how good a job they do, they aren't going to get fresh players without some sort of free trial. The best they can possibly do is get old players to come back at this point.
And yup, that thread I took the screenshot of has already been deleted.
AV is trying really hard to make critisism optically vanish in order to make people think that there are only a couple of hardcore "haters" and their game is doing just fine. It is not and more and more people do realize it and voice their opinion... until it gets deleted.
There are so many indie developers who want to start from scratch to work on a sandboxish mmo; why can't one of them start a kickstarter to buy DF from Aventurine?
Because it would cost way way more money than a Kickstarter could ever make, and because the engine is way more complex than almost anyone outside AV could handle without studying it for a year?
And no, AV is deleting by the same rules they've deleted for the last 9 years. If they were trying to make all bad press vanish, half the forums would be gone. AV's moderators, whether you want to believe it or not, let the forumfall community get away with murder, and if you deny that, you are blatantly lying, or have never been on those forums.
The only difference I can detect in the forums now vs the last 6 years I've posted there, is they consolodate more threads and try to keep them constructive to help the devs, vs mindless screaming into the night and swearing and racist slurs, which are the usual posts on those forums.
As for the screenshotted thread above, it has always, since DAY ONE of the forums, been a rule that threads discussing the moderation get deleted. If you have a moderation problem, you send PMs and it usually gets resolved. IN THIS CASE, the video mentioned in that thread wasn't deleted. It was moved. By mistake. The person who posted the video did what you're supposed to do, PM'd someone, and the thread came back. So, please, stop with the sensationalizing. You're just wrong here.
Bumping the truth to stop this idiotic rumor.
But sure, label me a fanboy, the guy who hasn't played UW in 2 months. I just don't like seeing lies spread.
There are so many reasons why Darkfall has failed as a game in the West.
However, the main reason is:
Aventurine.
Their continued failure to:
communicate;
make the game interesting beyond the initial prowess gain;
communicate;
make the game interesting for anyone other than the most mindless, hardcore arena player;
communicate;
keep to any of the timetables they have set for themselves; and
did I mention communicate?,
has brought the Western playerbase to its knees.
Given that we know (from the drunken ravings of one of the core developer team) that Aventurine:
is also now facing insolvency,
has stopped paying all of its employees; and
needs another 15,000 (this figure could be wrong) people to buy the game in the West for them to be able to keep on running as a company,
the writing is very much on the wall for both the Western version of Darkfall and the company itself.
I agree with most of what you said other than it only being fun for the hardcore arena player. It's not fun for hardcore pvpers either as it's not that easy to find pvp as there is no reason to go in the open world.
Where did you get that other information? I'd be curious to find out if that's just hearsay or if you actually found a reliable source for that?
His source is third hand.
The original source of that is Claus, one of the original Darkfall developers who recently came back to get Unholy Wars back on track. He did a drunk Q&A and most people missed it. One poster summed up some of what he said, and then this person kind of half quoted that summary, but got most of it wrong.
The summary said that there were a lot of unpaid interns at Aventurine. The summary said that AV was hurting, had about 20k subs and needed 15k to be totally in the clear (odd wording here in the summary) and the summary said that AV has loans they need to pay off. That's it, any additional information was added by the poster above. (he also commented on things he wanted to add to the game)
Ah okay...still pretty bad, lol...not as bad though.
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There are so many reasons why Darkfall has failed as a game in the West.
However, the main reason is:
Aventurine.
Their continued failure to:
communicate;
make the game interesting beyond the initial prowess gain;
communicate;
make the game interesting for anyone other than the most mindless, hardcore arena player;
communicate;
keep to any of the timetables they have set for themselves; and
did I mention communicate?,
has brought the Western playerbase to its knees.
Given that we know (from the drunken ravings of one of the core developer team) that Aventurine:
is also now facing insolvency,
has stopped paying all of its employees; and
needs another 15,000 (this figure could be wrong) people to buy the game in the West for them to be able to keep on running as a company,
the writing is very much on the wall for both the Western version of Darkfall and the company itself.
I agree with most of what you said other than it only being fun for the hardcore arena player. It's not fun for hardcore pvpers either as it's not that easy to find pvp as there is no reason to go in the open world.
Where did you get that other information? I'd be curious to find out if that's just hearsay or if you actually found a reliable source for that?
His source is third hand.
The original source of that is Claus, one of the original Darkfall developers who recently came back to get Unholy Wars back on track. He did a drunk Q&A and most people missed it. One poster summed up some of what he said, and then this person kind of half quoted that summary, but got most of it wrong.
The summary said that there were a lot of unpaid interns at Aventurine. The summary said that AV was hurting, had about 20k subs and needed 15k to be totally in the clear (odd wording here in the summary) and the summary said that AV has loans they need to pay off. That's it, any additional information was added by the poster above. (he also commented on things he wanted to add to the game)
Ah okay...still pretty bad, lol...not as bad though.
Pls dont just believe Tibernicus. He tends to act like he is stating fact when, in fact, he is never able to back his claims. It was discussed in another thread here already, that Claus didnt talk about "20k subs" but 20k sold games. In said thread Tibernicus insisted that DFUW has (right now.. lol) more subs than DF1 ever had. This statement was beyond ridiculous, so take everything he says with a grain of salt.
Currently there are about 6k clanned members on NA1 of Darkfall UW.
8 months into Darkfall 1 and there were about half that many clanned members in NA1.
UW has more subs than DF1 did. The running cost is also much higher though, as AV is a bigger company (50 devs vs the 20 of DF1), have bigger offices, ect ect.
There are so many reasons why Darkfall has failed as a game in the West.
However, the main reason is:
Aventurine.
Their continued failure to:
communicate;
make the game interesting beyond the initial prowess gain;
communicate;
make the game interesting for anyone other than the most mindless, hardcore arena player;
communicate;
keep to any of the timetables they have set for themselves; and
did I mention communicate?,
has brought the Western playerbase to its knees.
Given that we know (from the drunken ravings of one of the core developer team) that Aventurine:
is also now facing insolvency,
has stopped paying all of its employees; and
needs another 15,000 (this figure could be wrong) people to buy the game in the West for them to be able to keep on running as a company,
the writing is very much on the wall for both the Western version of Darkfall and the company itself.
I agree with most of what you said other than it only being fun for the hardcore arena player. It's not fun for hardcore pvpers either as it's not that easy to find pvp as there is no reason to go in the open world.
Where did you get that other information? I'd be curious to find out if that's just hearsay or if you actually found a reliable source for that?
His source is third hand.
The original source of that is Claus, one of the original Darkfall developers who recently came back to get Unholy Wars back on track. He did a drunk Q&A and most people missed it. One poster summed up some of what he said, and then this person kind of half quoted that summary, but got most of it wrong.
The summary said that there were a lot of unpaid interns at Aventurine. The summary said that AV was hurting, had about 20k subs and needed 15k to be totally in the clear (odd wording here in the summary) and the summary said that AV has loans they need to pay off. That's it, any additional information was added by the poster above. (he also commented on things he wanted to add to the game)
My source is in fact second hand, I was there during the whole of the live Twitch 'interview' with Claus - he was the source. I know what was said, how it was said and how depressing it was to listen to.
What I have posted is what Claus said during the interview. Admittedly he was both drunk and high, but he said it nevertheless.
There are so many reasons why Darkfall has failed as a game in the West.
However, the main reason is:
Aventurine.
Their continued failure to:
communicate;
make the game interesting beyond the initial prowess gain;
communicate;
make the game interesting for anyone other than the most mindless, hardcore arena player;
communicate;
keep to any of the timetables they have set for themselves; and
did I mention communicate?,
has brought the Western playerbase to its knees.
Given that we know (from the drunken ravings of one of the core developer team) that Aventurine:
is also now facing insolvency,
has stopped paying all of its employees; and
needs another 15,000 (this figure could be wrong) people to buy the game in the West for them to be able to keep on running as a company,
the writing is very much on the wall for both the Western version of Darkfall and the company itself.
I agree with most of what you said other than it only being fun for the hardcore arena player. It's not fun for hardcore pvpers either as it's not that easy to find pvp as there is no reason to go in the open world.
Where did you get that other information? I'd be curious to find out if that's just hearsay or if you actually found a reliable source for that?
His source is third hand.
The original source of that is Claus, one of the original Darkfall developers who recently came back to get Unholy Wars back on track. He did a drunk Q&A and most people missed it. One poster summed up some of what he said, and then this person kind of half quoted that summary, but got most of it wrong.
The summary said that there were a lot of unpaid interns at Aventurine. The summary said that AV was hurting, had about 20k subs and needed 15k to be totally in the clear (odd wording here in the summary) and the summary said that AV has loans they need to pay off. That's it, any additional information was added by the poster above. (he also commented on things he wanted to add to the game)
My source is in fact second hand, I was there during the whole of the live Twitch 'interview' with Claus - he was the source. I know what was said, how it was said and how depressing it was to listen to.
What I have posted is what Claus said during the interview. Admittedly he was both drunk and high, but he said it nevertheless.
And why should we believe you when at least 4 other people said different things than you did?
The game is far from dead, according to the drunk new dev, it has 20 thousand subscribers ,and needs 15 thousand more to make a comfortable profit. That's certainly not impossible to do, especially after the launch in Asia.
You and I both know that darkfall does not have 20k ACTIVE subs. Claus was really drunk when he was on that stream. He either meant to say 2000 subs (maybe he meant 20 hundred or 35 hundred) or he meant that they have sold 20k accounts/copies total.
Pls dont just believe Tibernicus. He tends to act like he is stating fact when, in fact, he is never able to back his claims. It was discussed in another thread here already, that Claus didnt talk about "20k subs" but 20k sold games. In said thread Tibernicus insisted that DFUW has (right now.. lol) more subs than DF1 ever had. This statement was beyond ridiculous, so take everything he says with a grain of salt.
Currently there are about 6k clanned members on NA1 of Darkfall UW.
8 months into Darkfall 1 and there were about half that many clanned members in NA1.
UW has more subs than DF1 did. The running cost is also much higher though, as AV is a bigger company (50 devs vs the 20 of DF1), have bigger offices, ect ect.
But that information has been phrased several different ways since then. You'd have to watch the video itself to get the real info.
So, you give the source that also says that AV cannot pay their whole team anymore and say in the same post, that AV has now 50 devs compared to 20...
Are you really believing the weird stories you come up with yourself!?
You can look up AV's staff and Unholy War's developer credits yourself. It is illegal to lie about how many people work at your company to investors and the public. Tasos has said 50+ devs, as of 6 months ago. Not only would it be illegal to lie, what would he gain from it? Having only 20 devs lets him play the "we're a small team" sympathy card. I think he knows a bit better than you who is working there.
The game is far from dead, according to the drunk new dev, it has 20 thousand subscribers ,and needs 15 thousand more to make a comfortable profit. That's certainly not impossible to do, especially after the launch in Asia.
You and I both know that darkfall does not have 20k ACTIVE subs. Claus was really drunk when he was on that stream. He either meant to say 2000 subs (maybe he meant 20 hundred or 35 hundred) or he meant that they have sold 20k accounts/copies total.
You and I both know that Darkfall has way more than 2000 subs.
[mod edit] the numbers we have show NA1 having 6k clanned members alone, and many more unclanned), someone that out of touch knows better than Claus, one of the original founders of the game. [mod edit]
Good lord. It was very clear what he said, and he followed up with blog posts saying vague things about Darkfall's future. But it was not the future of a game that only has 2k subs. Cripes.
My source is in fact second hand, I was there during the whole of the live Twitch 'interview' with Claus - he was the source. I know what was said, how it was said and how depressing it was to listen to.
What I have posted is what Claus said during the interview. Admittedly he was both drunk and high, but he said it nevertheless.
And why should we believe you when at least 4 other people said different things than you did?
Please link me the 4 other people who contradict what I have posted.
My source is in fact second hand, I was there during the whole of the live Twitch 'interview' with Claus - he was the source. I know what was said, how it was said and how depressing it was to listen to.
What I have posted is what Claus said during the interview. Admittedly he was both drunk and high, but he said it nevertheless.
And why should we believe you when at least 4 other people said different things than you did?
Please link me the 4 other people who contradict what I have posted.
Originally posted by MrBoots I have a current subscription to the game. I know exactly how empty the game world is. Please explain how am I out of touch.
So because you haven't found PvP, that means you have an accurate way of measuring subscribers? The most accurate way of measuring subscribers we have (the clanned list), shows three times as many people on the NA server in clans, than you guessed existed on BOTH servers clanned and unclanned. You are out of touch.
My source is in fact second hand, I was there during the whole of the live Twitch 'interview' with Claus - he was the source. I know what was said, how it was said and how depressing it was to listen to.
What I have posted is what Claus said during the interview. Admittedly he was both drunk and high, but he said it nevertheless.
And why should we believe you when at least 4 other people said different things than you did?
Please link me the 4 other people who contradict what I have posted.
Originally posted by MrBoots I have a current subscription to the game. I know exactly how empty the game world is. Please explain how am I out of touch.
I have an active subscription too, EU is dead, NA on the same track.
just another example of how MMO pvpers can not be satisfied. they chew on each other for a few months then the most chewed upon start leaving then those who are left start looking for ANYTHING to blame for the games decline and failure to justifiy why they dont stick with another pvpcentric game they claimed to have wanted/needed.
Originally posted by MrBoots I have a current subscription to the game. I know exactly how empty the game world is. Please explain how am I out of touch.
I have an active subscription too, EU is dead, NA on the same track.
I have an active subscription too. EU has always been dead. NA subs have dipped by the charts we have, but not in any significant way.
Anyone who thinks there are 2k players across bother servers total is delusional.
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Im realy amazed that majority of you not even ones analyse yourself or fellow gamers and conclude besides AV failor your also big part of that failor.
If all of you who started in DF1 not have cheated so much, with afk macro and exploits and less whine about timesink grind and being pked as newbee DF1 or try splitting up server Darkfall 1 would still be running.
And if 99.99% say macro was no cheating i give shit in my book most of you cheated and it destroyed the game overall.
Ive played Darkfall 1 BETA and from launch 2.5years Darkfall 1 so i know what im talking about.
True hardcore are only few thats one of things ive discovered after launched of DFO while before launch i realy thought many could cope with harsh game like this and its hardcore gameplay with no fast gain of skills man was i mistaken so sad so little where real hardcore pvp players.
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I've never cheated in any game, including Darkfall. I have never seen the point of cheating - I guess I prefer to lose on my own terms then win on someone else's.
To say that Darkfall 1 or DFUW failed because of cheaters is, however, simply wrong.
It failed because Aventurine was unable to continue developing the game in an effective manner and because they failed to properly communicate with their ever-dwindling playerbase.
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DF failed simply because of AV, they are a god awful company.
I really hope they fold asap and never make another game. I have no idea how you played UW for so long Maejohl.
Gutted what happened to DF1.
Eve is not a good example of anything. Eve is an example of what a game with absolutely no competition in its market is capable of doing. We'll see what kind of hit it takes when Star Citizen comes out and actually gives it a little competition.
Trying to say that a FFA PvP game has to be more like Eve is just disingenuous though. For me DF just wasn't a very good game and they were bull headed and never gave out free trials for DFUW so they killed any chance they ever had of expanding their player base.
Free trials would make no difference in the mid-term to population in DFUW.
Only the removal of Aventurine from the equation will make things better. After all, look at the difference that the game is having in Asia already - just with a better developer and producer.
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The developers in asia are the same developers in Greece. It's all Aventurine. The ONLY difference is in Asia, the publisher does more marketing. All the changes in the asian release were made by Aventurine.
And this game, whether you like how often it has been updated or not, would not exist without Aventurine. Just about every other publisher that offered to buy it said they'd remove FFA PvP and full loot, which is why AV never went with those publishers.
The new features being tested in Asia will only help in the west, as will the cash flow and updates.
And yes, free trials would go a long way to making people play this game. Most people don't want to drop 40 bucks on such a polarizing game. But many, after trying it, would probably love to play.
Aventurine is AWFUL with their time tables and communication, but the game they made is a technical wonder and the only good PvP game since DAoC. If you like the game, they still deserve your support. If you don't like the game... why are you here? It's the same small group of people making post after post complaining.
The game is far from dead, according to the drunk new dev, it has 20 thousand subscribers ,and needs 15 thousand more to make a comfortable profit. That's certainly not impossible to do, especially after the launch in Asia.
I'm really tired of this polarized frothy logic. You loved DF1 apparently, made by Aventurine. Yet you say AV is god awful and you hope they don't do anything ever again? You, who loved the first game they made and posted about it constantly? And because they made a different version with most of the exploits removed, now that company is the worst ever?
And if DF failed, why is Unholy Wars more populated than Darkfall 1? (look up DF1 clan numbers, it is way smaller than UW).
Because it would cost way way more money than a Kickstarter could ever make, and because the engine is way more complex than almost anyone outside AV could handle without studying it for a year?
And no, AV is deleting by the same rules they've deleted for the last 9 years. If they were trying to make all bad press vanish, half the forums would be gone. AV's moderators, whether you want to believe it or not, let the forumfall community get away with murder, and if you deny that, you are blatantly lying, or have never been on those forums.
The only difference I can detect in the forums now vs the last 6 years I've posted there, is they consolodate more threads and try to keep them constructive to help the devs, vs mindless screaming into the night and swearing and racist slurs, which are the usual posts on those forums.
As for the screenshotted thread above, it has always, since DAY ONE of the forums, been a rule that threads discussing the moderation get deleted. If you have a moderation problem, you send PMs and it usually gets resolved. IN THIS CASE, the video mentioned in that thread wasn't deleted. It was moved. By mistake. The person who posted the video did what you're supposed to do, PM'd someone, and the thread came back. So, please, stop with the sensationalizing. You're just wrong here.
I agree with most of what you said other than it only being fun for the hardcore arena player. It's not fun for hardcore pvpers either as it's not that easy to find pvp as there is no reason to go in the open world.
Where did you get that other information? I'd be curious to find out if that's just hearsay or if you actually found a reliable source for that?
Incognito
www.incognito-gaming.us
"You're either with us or against us"
His source is third hand.
The original source of that is Claus, one of the original Darkfall developers who recently came back to get Unholy Wars back on track. He did a drunk Q&A and most people missed it. One poster summed up some of what he said, and then this person kind of half quoted that summary, but got most of it wrong.
The summary said that there were a lot of unpaid interns at Aventurine. The summary said that AV was hurting, had about 20k subs and needed 15k to be totally in the clear (odd wording here in the summary) and the summary said that AV has loans they need to pay off. That's it, any additional information was added by the poster above. (he also commented on things he wanted to add to the game)
Free trials would almost certainly give them a spike in population. How many people want to drop cash on a game that is not doing that well, is aimed at a niche market and has a monthly sub. The people willing to do this already did. So for every player that quits there just isn't anyone to replace them. It doesn't matter how good a job they do, they aren't going to get fresh players without some sort of free trial. The best they can possibly do is get old players to come back at this point.
Bumping the truth to stop this idiotic rumor.
But sure, label me a fanboy, the guy who hasn't played UW in 2 months. I just don't like seeing lies spread.
Ah okay...still pretty bad, lol...not as bad though.
Incognito
www.incognito-gaming.us
"You're either with us or against us"
Currently there are about 6k clanned members on NA1 of Darkfall UW.
8 months into Darkfall 1 and there were about half that many clanned members in NA1.
UW has more subs than DF1 did. The running cost is also much higher though, as AV is a bigger company (50 devs vs the 20 of DF1), have bigger offices, ect ect.
As for the source, this is the closest remaining source we have.
But that information has been phrased several different ways since then. You'd have to watch the video itself to get the real info.
My source is in fact second hand, I was there during the whole of the live Twitch 'interview' with Claus - he was the source. I know what was said, how it was said and how depressing it was to listen to.
What I have posted is what Claus said during the interview. Admittedly he was both drunk and high, but he said it nevertheless.
www.luxarcana.org
And why should we believe you when at least 4 other people said different things than you did?
You and I both know that darkfall does not have 20k ACTIVE subs. Claus was really drunk when he was on that stream. He either meant to say 2000 subs (maybe he meant 20 hundred or 35 hundred) or he meant that they have sold 20k accounts/copies total.
You can look up AV's staff and Unholy War's developer credits yourself. It is illegal to lie about how many people work at your company to investors and the public. Tasos has said 50+ devs, as of 6 months ago. Not only would it be illegal to lie, what would he gain from it? Having only 20 devs lets him play the "we're a small team" sympathy card. I think he knows a bit better than you who is working there.
You and I both know that Darkfall has way more than 2000 subs.
[mod edit] the numbers we have show NA1 having 6k clanned members alone, and many more unclanned), someone that out of touch knows better than Claus, one of the original founders of the game. [mod edit]
Good lord. It was very clear what he said, and he followed up with blog posts saying vague things about Darkfall's future. But it was not the future of a game that only has 2k subs. Cripes.
Please link me the 4 other people who contradict what I have posted.
www.luxarcana.org
Here you go, plenty in here and here.
So because you haven't found PvP, that means you have an accurate way of measuring subscribers? The most accurate way of measuring subscribers we have (the clanned list), shows three times as many people on the NA server in clans, than you guessed existed on BOTH servers clanned and unclanned. You are out of touch.
No.
Those are just links.
I asked you to link me to posts that contradict what I have posted. In other words, that contradict that AV:
a) is facing insolvency;
b) is unable to pay all of its employees;
c) needs another 15,000 people to buy the game to keep on running.
www.luxarcana.org
I have an active subscription too, EU is dead, NA on the same track.
just another example of how MMO pvpers can not be satisfied. they chew on each other for a few months then the most chewed upon start leaving then those who are left start looking for ANYTHING to blame for the games decline and failure to justifiy why they dont stick with another pvpcentric game they claimed to have wanted/needed.
SSDD
I have an active subscription too. EU has always been dead. NA subs have dipped by the charts we have, but not in any significant way.
Anyone who thinks there are 2k players across bother servers total is delusional.