[Serious] Please convince me this won't be another generic MMO without mentioning Landmark

Akuma_The_Wicked

This isn't a troll post. I want to love EQN.

 

EQ1 was my favorite game of all time. I loved EQ2 and WoW as well. Every game since has been the exact same formula with a different skin.

Convince me that this game is going to be different. What are the main points that are making it different than any other generic MMO out there? What has you sold?

 

Thanks in advance

NorseGod

Originally posted by Akuma_The_Wicked

This isn't a troll post. I want to love EQN.

 

EQ1 was my favorite game of all time. I loved EQ2 and WoW as well. Every game since has been the exact same formula with a different skin.

Convince me that this game is going to be different. What are the main points that are making it different than any other generic MMO out there? What has you sold?

 

Thanks in advance

Everquest Next has nothing to do with Everquest. Seeing that you've played EQ, you'll need to look at this differently.

MadDemon64

Originally posted by Akuma_The_Wicked

This isn't a troll post. I want to love EQN.

 

EQ1 was my favorite game of all time. I loved EQ2 and WoW as well. Every game since has been the exact same formula with a different skin.

Convince me that this game is going to be different. What are the main points that are making it different than any other generic MMO out there? What has you sold?

 

Thanks in advance

Ok...

1.  Mobs use a new AI that will make them adapt to their surroundings (not something they are developing they say they have made it)

2.  Desctructible world made of voxels that you can destroy with skills (you can even go underground like this)

3.  Guild Wars 2 style combat but with multiclassing (40 confirmed)

4.  Parkour-style movement

5.  It's freakin' Everquest.  What more do you need?

muffins89

they're touting AI as a big selling point.  if I were you i'd google storybricks.  i'm pretty sure SOE bought that company out and is using their code for EQN.

Nadia

how many sandboxes are generic ?

Foomerang

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Originally posted by Akuma_The_Wicked
This isn't a troll post. I want to love EQN. EQ1 was my favorite game of all time. I loved EQ2 and WoW as well. Every game since has been the exact same formula with a different skin.Convince me that this game is going to be different. What are the main points that are making it different than any other generic MMO out there? What has you sold? Thanks in advance

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Its going to be everything you want it to be and more. I promise.

nationalcity

I hate posts like this....

 

 

I just don't understand why people always try and have other people convince them of what they LIKE or DON'T.

I mean it either looks like a game you would want to try or not.....

Not trying to be a jerk it's just you don't have your own mind?

 

 

 

vidiotking

Landmark

Wizardry

I have enjoyed Everquest series but honestly SOE is NOT a creative team.All of their expacs were just more of the same old,never bringing anything new to the table.

What i noticed was they became even more generic with their design,like they are trying to make an assembly line game structure.EVERY single  tier in crafting was an identical copy of the last..They even went so far as to remove the versatility in gear and combat and just made every class have one meaningful stat aside from Stamina.

Landmark selling point is not even their own work,that is Voxels,they are simply paying a license to use it.

Geesh they even butchered the Beastlord,so many were looking forward to play it,i got bored real quick,not a fun class to play.Instead of perhaps making it like FFXI's Beastmaster,they stuck it right back into the same old,just another Rogue,scout.

Here is an idea,no more levels ,instead consider aging and offspring,lineage trees ect ect.Each tier of skills is something new ,not a higher version of the last Fire I>Fire II>Fire III.Yes it is sort of ok to a point,but not the entire game like that,show some creativity.

Put some meaning int othe combat and gear,how about the type of weapon and type of elemental damage matters depending on the creature you fight.How about bring weather factors into and terrain ect ect.Soe just likes to give you the basics and go from there.

 

Xthos

I can't, and probably no one can.  I am not sure I will like it, so I cannot say for others.

 

How much instancing will their be?  They say it is used where it makes sense (so that means nothing).

 

I am not a huge action combat person (TSW didn't bother me, some others ones I hated)...

 

I am fine with 8 skills, 4 tied to a weapon, no so much...

 

So I have to wait and see, and I am going to mention Landmark, because I am looking forward to EQN more than Landmark, but Landmark may actually end up the catalyst for people making, licensing more tools or whatever to make less mainstreamed type of mmos.

 

I like the exploration stuff, just gotta see the final package, so I am trying to be open, and see where it goes myself.

DamonVile

It's going to be exactly what you expect it to be.

Wizardry

Originally posted by MadDemon64

Originally posted by Akuma_The_Wicked

This isn't a troll post. I want to love EQN.

 

EQ1 was my favorite game of all time. I loved EQ2 and WoW as well. Every game since has been the exact same formula with a different skin.

Convince me that this game is going to be different. What are the main points that are making it different than any other generic MMO out there? What has you sold?

 

Thanks in advance

Ok...

1.  Mobs use a new AI that will make them adapt to their surroundings (not something they are developing they say they have made it) All i heard was varying spawn rates,that is not making the game better,just able to handle more spam/speed killing when needed.This is also not creatures adapting,it is merely computer code that changes the spawn times.

There has been rumblings that a lot would like to see Nocturnal creatures that are much harder to fight at night but who knows if SOE is willing to do anything the players want.

2.  Desctructible world made of voxels that you can destroy with skills (you can even go underground like this)

They have worded it nicely but how destructible is it,it might just mean you can dismantle one block at a time and build it back up ,one block at a time.

3.  Guild Wars 2 style combat but with multiclassing (40 confirmed)

This is new for them to come out of their ALTAHOLIC shell but definitely nothing new to gaming.

4.  Parkour-style movement  This is a small nice touch but all automated,i get the feeling they might have been too lazy to test it from various distances ansd give the players the input keys  so decided to automate it.Even Emotes that games have you are allowed to trigger them,this automated design ruins the immersion of it.

5.  It's freakin' Everquest.  What more do you need?

I have really like the Everquest series,but it is really stale,they need some new angles and creativity.They could have licensed Physx and do their own work in many areas from physics to nicer models ,more animations in players.They could have even done their own destructible but chose to license someone else's hard work and it really imo is rather dated,it is better than Minecraft but still looks 15 years old.

 

Speely

Well, let's see. In EQN, each and every npc has a unique AI hosted on a dedicated server maintained by a group of experts in various experimental fields of neuroscience. These npcs are constantly developed and evolved on said servers based on feedback analysis of both the game world and each instance of player interaction with both said npc and the game world around him/her/it (some npcs are constructs.) The emerging behavioral algorithms are phased into that npc's representation in the game (i.e. your server) to interact with players, all the while collecting data from other npc servers affecting ANY pc that has interacted with the relevant npc representing said server. All the time. That should convince you.

BeansnBread

Originally posted by PerfArt
Well, let's see. In EQN, each and every npc has a unique AI hosted on a dedicated server maintained by a group of experts in various experimental fields of neuroscience. These npcs are constantly developed and evolved on said servers based on feedback analysis of both the game world and each instance of player interaction with both said npc and the game world around him/her/it (some npcs are constructs.) The emerging behavioral algorithms are phased into that npc's representation in the game (i.e. your server) to interact with players, all the while collecting data from other npc servers affecting ANY pc that has interacted with the relevant npc representing said server. All the time. That should convince you.

But do they have feelings?

Speely

Colddog, strong npc feelings are are planned for future microtransactions. SOE of course only lets players experience 40% of these feelings for free because they totally hate gamers and are so greedy-faced.

Grahor

Originally posted by PerfArt
Well, let's see. In EQN, each and every npc has a unique AI hosted on a dedicated server maintained by a group of experts in various experimental fields of neuroscience. These npcs are constantly developed and evolved on said servers based on feedback analysis of both the game world and each instance of player interaction with both said npc and the game world around him/her/it (some npcs are constructs.) The emerging behavioral algorithms are phased into that npc's representation in the game (i.e. your server) to interact with players, all the while collecting data from other npc servers affecting ANY pc that has interacted with the relevant npc representing said server. All the time. That should convince you.

Can those npcs play jeopardy?

 

Honestly, every damn game out there praises innovative AI of their npcs, and every single one of them actually uses same old system.

 

And there are reasons for it. No, orcs will not freely migrate in the world. At best they'll switch spawning places based on the state of the rotation of open-world quests, like GW2 does. And at worst - well, we all know the mob behavior at worst.

Muke

Originally posted by Akuma_The_Wicked I loved EQ2 and WoW as well. Every game since has been the exact same formula with a different skin.
 

Lol, that's a bold claim, you should come out of your "EQ and WOW are the holy grails of gaming" box lol

Naqaj

Originally posted by Akuma_The_Wicked

Convince me that this game is going to be different. 

No reliance on  finite power progression as player motivation.

Players can affect the world environment, not permanently but persistently.

NPC AI that reacts to these changes, giving your actions a lasting effect that plays out as your character havign a tangible influence in the happenings of the world.

 

 

This is a very strong departure from the tropes and conventions that have solidified in the MMO genre in the last 10 years. The big question that remains is: "will it actually work?"

 

 

apocoluster

Originally posted by Akuma_The_Wicked

This isn't a troll post. I want to love EQN.

 

EQ1 was my favorite game of all time. I loved EQ2 and WoW as well. Every game since has been the exact same formula with a different skin.

Convince me that this game is going to be different. What are the main points that are making it different than any other generic MMO out there? What has you sold?

 

Thanks in advance

Convince me to convince you. Thanks in advance. 

Elikal

I think we know far too little about EQN to really answer this.

Lobotomist

With all the flak they are getting, still SOE are real inovators.

They also know the themepark time is gone. And are doing everything possible to make this game stand out from the crowd.

Nadia

Originally posted by Elikal
I think we know far too little about EQN to really answer this.

i agree with you -- too many grays

immodium

Originally posted by vidiotking
Landmark

Landmark

donpopuki

It all hinges on the AI. The AI ties in with quests and placement of mobs. So far we only heard rumors of what the AI does. Will it be robust and truly revolutionary or will it be just a quick gimmick?

Ender4

Well we certainly don't know what the game will be yet but I take comfort in the fact that they were up front and said that the current MMORPG cycle needs to be broken and have basically said they are going against the norm in every single aspect of their game.

What product that leads to is still up in the air but I would be shocked if it is just another generic MMORPG at this point. It might stink, but it should stink in its own unique way.

To the poster a few posts up, there is absolutely no reason the AI can't control spawn locations. The genre has been lazy to this point, it is not hard at all to code an AI to make spawn locations move in the game. Even something as simplistic as adding a random function so they move X spots away from where they were killed is better than what we have now. This is a tier based world and not a level based world and it includes randomly generated content which gives them a ton more freedom than most games.

Myria

Originally posted by Akuma_The_Wicked
Convince me that this game is going to be different.
 

The only thing that should convince anyone of anything about this or any other MMO in development is trying it for themselves.

 

Right now what we have is marketing, as meaningless and empty as a politician's promise.