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About the prevalent childish behavior
Quirhid
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It is ever harder to find mature comments about games these days. Most negative comments are a kin to a child throwing a fit at the candy aisle yet the people making those comments are definitely adults. A teenager can scream how she loves her new outfit at one point and how she hates her parents and wished they were dead the next. Aren't we better than this?
Have we given too much attention to the extreme behavior that, just like a child, the stereotypical forum poster has learned it is the only way to be acknowledged?
Too often, sensible, mature comments are drowned by posters who see these forums as a platform to broadcast their opinions rather than a place for discussion and sharing of ideas. And there are no teams! There is no "team F2P", "team sandbox" or "team WoW". The whole notion that "if you are not with us you are against us" is frankly stupid.
If you are mildly disappointed in a game, say so, and don't say you "absolutely hate it". A game is not a "failure" if it doesn't manage to captivate you. Maybe you weren't part of the target audience in the first place! And don't blame the industry either. The developers don't owe you anything nor are you entitled to anything.
Kicking up dust and throwing mud serves no one. And why do you care so much in the first place? These are only games afterall.
Don't be a d*** just because you're not getting any.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky
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I can find no fault in your post and that pisses me off. ><
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
It also means that unless someone comes along and makes one of these over the top comments to spark some circular debate, this post will probably just be ignored.
OK, I'll go first.
Careful, I hear the air is pretty thin up there on that horse.
First of all, these forums are a platform people to share their opinions as well as for discussion and idea sharing. And to try and sway others to their side, it can happen, at least so I'm told.
Speaking of sides, saying something doesn't exist doesn't make it so. The community is most definitely divided into camps, teams, whatever on certain issues, including F2P, P2W, Grouping vs Soloing etc. And it is over these things we discuss, debate, fight and whine about.
About comments such as how much a person "hates" a game or what not, it's called hyperbole and proves quite effective in invoking others passions which in turn elicits a response which is what the poster is after.
You of course have a choice to play along or ignore of course, but you can't argue the "success" of such tactics considering the user's goal.
As to your final comment, why do people care so much, they are just games after all. Hey, gaming is serious business, but it's OK if you don't get that.
Cheers!
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
What he said. Nee ner nee ner ( I decided to take the low road)
No matter how cynical you become, its never enough to keep up - Lily Tomlin
Mature people can handle the fact that some people disagree with them and not turn to calling them a child for voicing their opinions...
Its those with a small mind that cannot fathom that disagreements, dislikes and voices of dissent exist and should be heard. Thankfully the founding fathers of America were not small minded, granted free speech and even TOLD PEOPLE to get on their soapboxes and speak their minds because it was the ONLY way for progress and to keep powers in check.
Remaining silent promotes stagnancy and even regression. Even Raph Koster disagrees with you stating that fanboys are the worst enemy of the developer because they silence the only people that will help a developer discover what is wrong or missing in a game and what is driving people away from their product.
Western society needs to get its manhood back from the PC crowd taking its strength away.
"People who tell you youre awesome are useless. No, dangerous.
They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster
http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/
What bothers me isn't so much the typical sensationalizing that goes on here, it's that lately (in that last couple years) it's severely degenerated into a board that looks more like IGN than MMORPG.com. There have always been those who overreact here, yet in the past you could still maintain some form of dialogue that kept the actual discussion going. Now it always falls off into some nonsensical fanboi/hater debate and/or chest thumping. You can't even engage these types of posters, without being lumped into one group or the other or pulled into some fight between them you couldn't care less about.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
There are certain queer times and occasions in this strange mixed affair we call life when a man takes this whole universe for a vast practical joke, though the wit thereof he but dimly discerns, and more than suspects that the joke is at nobody's expense but his own.
-- Herman Melville
I see what you did there.
"People who tell you youre awesome are useless. No, dangerous.
They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster
http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/
It's boils down to a few things
1) there are more mmos today
2) a lot of these mmos are f2p
3) PC are becoming better and cheaper
4) Internet service is cheaper
This all equals more access for more people therefore your going to get more people with childish behaviors. Your going to get more defensive posters that when asked for facts get all defensive and start calling others names which goes with the childish behavior.
And now it's party.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
Right? Up to that point I was agreeing, then I saw... well I can't say how I felt when I saw it but it reminded me of a mythical creature that lives beneath a bridge.
OP had good points, and threw them away.
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
While driving to the mall to pick up a new tablet because rooting my Nook Tablet was such a pita, I realized that I was not the target audience for the Nook Tablet. It was an interesting sensation. I'm sure B&N was happy to have my money, and happy to have me as a customer, but I just wasn't the person they thought of when they designed the Nook Tablet.
This makes me wonder how many people buy and play MMORPGs where they are not the target audience, but never reach the point of realizing they are not the target audience. Maybe it's just not possible for people to think of themselves as someone other than the target audience. I would think a lot of the circular arguments, childish behavior and general grumpiness results from this. People thinking they are the target audience when they are in fact not even a consideration other than as an alternate and short term source of funds.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Here's what gets me. Joining a beta and not being heard thru all the trolls. Yes, I see a terrible immaturity on gamer forums everywhere. But worse is that fact that even if there is a tech or glitch report section on a game's forum and everyone is reporting faults in a mature and clear fashion NOT ONE DAMN DEV IS EVER GOING TO READ IT. What you've got is a forum moderator who isn't fixing the game but just trying to keep the food thrown around in the lunch room to a minimum.
Does it really matter what we say on a game's forums when no one is paying attention?
This sounds very similar to what I see wrong with mmo and it's this entitlement mentality. It's getting bad in RL and is now becoming more and more prevalent in mmos. These type of people feel that they are entitled to everything they want and lived their life's being treated this way. They don't understand not everything is for them or caters to them. So what do they do? They complain, cry about a game for years and post misinformation.
Being an emotional adult and a physical one are two completely different things. Unfortunately this world is populated by a disproportionate amount of emotional 5 year-olds.
I purposefully used the word "broadcast" because it is not sharing if you are not taking anything from the discussion.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky
The devil on my shoulder said "yes".
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky
The problem with the picture was that it made me read your whole post as this:
Which was surly not your intention... You were making a really good argument before the picture.
It's a shame the focus was taken off by a single picture, it really demolished and changed the potential of the post. You had me nodding and agreeing, and was preparing for a pretty awesome discussion.
Looks like that's not going to happen, good post up until the photo.
First, just because you are free to say something doesn't mean you should. Westboro Baptist Church comes to mind as an example off the top of my head.
And second, I have no issue with someone with a disagreeing opinion. What I have issue with is exaggeration and creation of false dichotomies. The way some posters demonize the things they disapprove of and how they try to create these camps that are either against or with them.
The world is rarely as black and white as that. To put it more succinctly, I am condemning both "haters" and "fanbois" and how their voices suppress the opinions inbetween the two extremes.
I also detest your implication how one's manhood would be in question when he does not subscribe to any extreme viewpoints. I am sure Mr. Koster and the founding fathers would agree.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky
This sounds remarkably a lot like the current state of the political system in the U.S. Extremists always distort views because they tend to be the loudest about them whereas those of more moderate or carefully considered opinions get drowned in the nonsense.
Incorrect. The founding fathers spoke of TREASON and war, they spoke of breaking the grip of the church on government, views that would get you burned at the stake. And the article written by Koster is right here on this very site, that sometimes one needs to hear extreme views in order to gain proper perspective on an issue because it is human nature to have a view limited to ones own experience.
we have a civilization BECAUSE of extremist views...humans never would have formed a community for mutual protection if we didn't need PROTECTION. Extreme views are a necessary evil for progress, otherwise there would be no need TO progress.
Lastly, I never stated one HAD TO SUBSCRIBE to an extremist view, merely stated that one must except the fact they exist and not turn to demonizing them for having it...a very immature AND extremist act BTW...you have become what you hate.
"People who tell you youre awesome are useless. No, dangerous.
They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster
http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/
It wouldn't surprise me in the least if that was the case for all countries to some degree.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky