Originally posted by mCalvert Hell no, its not fun! Im stuck at 490 weps because I cant bear to log in and grind for ore, or spend 200g on materials.
Stuck at 490? its your fault only, sry but this game is for the smart, i did 475~500 wep. 1 month ago with minimal gold lost... maybe 5g max.... if that....
Just one personal opinion / note to make to an otherwise okay article:
I don't think it's a valid argument to say "it's not required, so it's not grinding." That's the same thing WoW keeps on saying with it's dailies and the gear you got from it or the gear you get in general. You practically get handed decent gear that is capable of handling Heroic Dungeons and Heroic Scenarios and Flex Raids now (seriously -- you get access to some 15 chests all with epic 498 items with Heroic dungeons needing 450 once you get to level 90 and go to the timeless isle; there is 540 gear in flex and 560+ in normal and more in heroic). There's no grinding involved in that, and the top tier items aren't required for it.
Any item that provides an increase in power is a grind and progression feature. So no, they did not technically keep their word on that facet. This is also evident if you're a fan of the Original whereby they DID keep the items of the same level even with all their expansions and updates and patches. The elite armor had no stat increases, and were just for aesthetics.
Granted the change was probably required for player retention and possibly a good thing overall. But let's not delude ourselves by trying to appeal to the crowd that doesn't like grinding. It's a choice in other games that have it as well; this isn't anything new. Though as a whole this is more grinding than even WoW what with their 528 LFR gear and 540 Flex gear that are easy to get into. You can even get 528 gear with a few dungeon clears from justice (less than a couple hours of work). You also have challenge mode dungeons that negate item level for those who want it.
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In all honesty, its a step in the right direction, but still not enough. I dont mind a grind, its actually almost required in an MMO, in one form or another, the problem I have is the form this one took.
I dont think its bad that they are promoting vertical progression, I actually quit playing because there was no progression. A week after launch, I was 80, full exotic, and just farming WvW because there was no PVE endgame. Players need a gear grind, and something to look forward to (carrot on the stick) or they leave the game. An MMO should never give you the "I beat the game" feeling.
But they should stick closer to their original goals. You should be able to "earn" or acquire top gear with ANY playstyle. Crafting was never required before, and shouldnt be now. If you want to farm Orr, WvW, or just craft, all should be viable. The mistake they are making is forcing a player into a playstyle that may not suit them.
I think Anet is on the right track, adding in goals for player progression, but they are failing implementation hard. They need to step back, and re-evaluate how they approach adding new items or tiers of items.
Simple example in wvwvw with elem I killed 1 mesmer and 1 guard 2 vs me both had ascended weapon I even made a screen of epic fail and guess what I'm full exotic
you see boost from ascended items is not significant. omg 3o power wow 0.7 dmg scale on skill wooow will hit so much harder .. sarcasm
Omg realy ? I did 6 weapons without even planing to make them. maybe you guys are just bad? delete you're game you play it wrong
Prime example of the idiots who think one ascended item = full ascended gear.
I don't even want to enter this ridiculous debate but consider this:
You don't NEED ascended gear - exotics are SLIGHTLY less powerful and easily obtainable. Just yesterday on my guardian I tested something. I couldn't find a squad so decided to try and solo the Hybrid in the tower. I have exotic weapons and rare armour and yes I made it - using no food or anything else besides the chefs rice balls.
Ascended gear is there for a reason - for a certain selection of the community with the desire to get it. I think the balance between getting the ascended stuff, the cost or grind and the need for it at all, is very well thought out and balanced.
Plus for those hoarders like myself with thousands of low level mats saved up, I'm going to make a motsa selling them, so others can chase their ascended gears, woot woot.
You don't NEED them, but what else are you supposed to do with your time? Getting gear you don't have is the only thing left.
Originally posted by mCalvert Hell no, its not fun! Im stuck at 490 weps because I cant bear to log in and grind for ore, or spend 200g on materials.
Stuck at 490? its your fault only, sry but this game is for the smart, i did 475~500 wep. 1 month ago with minimal gold lost... maybe 5g max.... if that....
Stuck at 490, because I don't want to put the time in to grind harvesting materials. Even a genius like you cant get around basic material gathering, whether its grinding exotics or running around Orr, or grinding gold to buy it.
Ascended gear was added to be a deliberate time sink for players to take if they wish to have a form of progression over time. That's all. You don't need ascended to do anything in the game (save AR for high level Fractals, by design). I still don't have my first ascended weapon yet but I'm working towards it at my own pace. It's not holding me back in any way at all. Ascended gear is a good thing for the game.. it gives you something optional to spend time on if you wish and something to show for your efforts.
I don't even want to enter this ridiculous debate but consider this:
You don't NEED ascended gear - exotics are SLIGHTLY less powerful and easily obtainable. Just yesterday on my guardian I tested something. I couldn't find a squad so decided to try and solo the Hybrid in the tower. I have exotic weapons and rare armour and yes I made it - using no food or anything else besides the chefs rice balls.
Ascended gear is there for a reason - for a certain selection of the community with the desire to get it. I think the balance between getting the ascended stuff, the cost or grind and the need for it at all, is very well thought out and balanced.
Plus for those hoarders like myself with thousands of low level mats saved up, I'm going to make a motsa selling them, so others can chase their ascended gears, woot woot.
You don't NEED them, but what else are you supposed to do with your time? Getting gear you don't have is the only thing left.
While you sit around trying to find something to do I'll be hopping into WvW after I finish a Fractals run. There is no shortage of things to do in this game at any level.
So they want to remove the grinding that mmo's have well i hate to say it but that is BS crafting in gw2 is a grind fest more than any other game out there , also it does not make any money either so it's a double loss there.
I was hoping there was something i could do with all my currencies that are stacking up by the hundreds of millions and i only play wvw so that kills my chances at getting Ascended armor.
So basically guild wars does not work with my play style guess i will find another game to play what is funny this goes against what ANET says about what their game is about.
They should change name of the game to crafting wars............
So now half the wvw population is gone grinding away at crafting really notice no more ques for battle grounds have impacted my game play not much action going on.
Also another thing that broke the camels back is the season 1 wvw rewards or lack their of seems ANET does not believe that wvw players should be rewarded for hard work.
They had it right with Legendaries being how they were (the same stats as exotic) and just cooler effects. Getting a Legendary involved WAY to much RNG and WAY too much gold but it wasn't power related, so unless you wanted the bother you didn't have to.
ArenaNet reneged on everything and added this joke called "Ascended" gear. Not only did they basically bait and switch the entire community of players they now double and triple down on the stupidity.
P.S. Before that guy, comes in to explain how the gear treadmill is "optional" and "oooh you don't HAVE to do it" punch yourself in the face for lying or being subjectively ignorant. "LFM Fractals [Insernt Level] Pls be Full Ascended"
Ascended Weapons AND Armor are some of the ugliest designs you could possible lay eyes on in GW2. What a complete joke and the grind is just as dumb as Legendary Weapons. You might as well dedicate your time to that, because at least your weapon (some at least) will look cool and have nice behaviors. Then they have the audacity to time gate crafting certain items. I still don't understand why ANY ITEM would require more materials than you're allowed to stack. I guess they needed to nickle and dime for their cash shop.
I paid for the box, I've spent money for gems. I'm so pissed off at the entire thing, 2014 can't get here any sooner. I literally drop GW2 like a hot potato anytime any new game releases. I wait patiently.
I'm fed up with how ANet adds the crappy Living Zerg content every 2 weeks. I'm fed up with the doubling down on dumb ass grind. I'm fed up with them pissing around with content and character advancement. Give new skills and utilities. Giving players the ability to further modify their skills and builds so they can be more unique. OPEN UP A NEW ZONE that provides a fresh look and Tier 6 mats.
If not, stop f#%cking bragging about how many boxes you sell and how many players are playing and how you're the most updated game. They make tons of money, so that's not it.
*Flips Bird at ArenaNet* /rant
P.S. Before that guy, comes in to explain how the gear treadmill is "optional" and "oooh you don't HAVE to do it" punch yourself in the face for lying or being subjectively ignorant. "LFM Fractals [Insernt Level] Pls be Full Ascended"
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Stuck at 490? its your fault only, sry but this game is for the smart, i did 475~500 wep. 1 month ago with minimal gold lost... maybe 5g max.... if that....
Just one personal opinion / note to make to an otherwise okay article:
I don't think it's a valid argument to say "it's not required, so it's not grinding." That's the same thing WoW keeps on saying with it's dailies and the gear you got from it or the gear you get in general. You practically get handed decent gear that is capable of handling Heroic Dungeons and Heroic Scenarios and Flex Raids now (seriously -- you get access to some 15 chests all with epic 498 items with Heroic dungeons needing 450 once you get to level 90 and go to the timeless isle; there is 540 gear in flex and 560+ in normal and more in heroic). There's no grinding involved in that, and the top tier items aren't required for it.
Any item that provides an increase in power is a grind and progression feature. So no, they did not technically keep their word on that facet. This is also evident if you're a fan of the Original whereby they DID keep the items of the same level even with all their expansions and updates and patches. The elite armor had no stat increases, and were just for aesthetics.
Granted the change was probably required for player retention and possibly a good thing overall. But let's not delude ourselves by trying to appeal to the crowd that doesn't like grinding. It's a choice in other games that have it as well; this isn't anything new. Though as a whole this is more grinding than even WoW what with their 528 LFR gear and 540 Flex gear that are easy to get into. You can even get 528 gear with a few dungeon clears from justice (less than a couple hours of work). You also have challenge mode dungeons that negate item level for those who want it.
In all honesty, its a step in the right direction, but still not enough. I dont mind a grind, its actually almost required in an MMO, in one form or another, the problem I have is the form this one took.
I dont think its bad that they are promoting vertical progression, I actually quit playing because there was no progression. A week after launch, I was 80, full exotic, and just farming WvW because there was no PVE endgame. Players need a gear grind, and something to look forward to (carrot on the stick) or they leave the game. An MMO should never give you the "I beat the game" feeling.
But they should stick closer to their original goals. You should be able to "earn" or acquire top gear with ANY playstyle. Crafting was never required before, and shouldnt be now. If you want to farm Orr, WvW, or just craft, all should be viable. The mistake they are making is forcing a player into a playstyle that may not suit them.
I think Anet is on the right track, adding in goals for player progression, but they are failing implementation hard. They need to step back, and re-evaluate how they approach adding new items or tiers of items.
Prime example of the idiots who think one ascended item = full ascended gear.
You don't NEED them, but what else are you supposed to do with your time? Getting gear you don't have is the only thing left.
Stuck at 490, because I don't want to put the time in to grind harvesting materials. Even a genius like you cant get around basic material gathering, whether its grinding exotics or running around Orr, or grinding gold to buy it.
While you sit around trying to find something to do I'll be hopping into WvW after I finish a Fractals run. There is no shortage of things to do in this game at any level.
So they want to remove the grinding that mmo's have well i hate to say it but that is BS crafting in gw2 is a grind fest more than any other game out there , also it does not make any money either so it's a double loss there.
I was hoping there was something i could do with all my currencies that are stacking up by the hundreds of millions and i only play wvw so that kills my chances at getting Ascended armor.
So basically guild wars does not work with my play style guess i will find another game to play what is funny this goes against what ANET says about what their game is about.
They should change name of the game to crafting wars............
So now half the wvw population is gone grinding away at crafting really notice no more ques for battle grounds have impacted my game play not much action going on.
Also another thing that broke the camels back is the season 1 wvw rewards or lack their of seems ANET does not believe that wvw players should be rewarded for hard work.
They had it right with Legendaries being how they were (the same stats as exotic) and just cooler effects. Getting a Legendary involved WAY to much RNG and WAY too much gold but it wasn't power related, so unless you wanted the bother you didn't have to.
ArenaNet reneged on everything and added this joke called "Ascended" gear. Not only did they basically bait and switch the entire community of players they now double and triple down on the stupidity.
P.S. Before that guy, comes in to explain how the gear treadmill is "optional" and "oooh you don't HAVE to do it" punch yourself in the face for lying or being subjectively ignorant. "LFM Fractals [Insernt Level] Pls be Full Ascended"
Ascended Weapons AND Armor are some of the ugliest designs you could possible lay eyes on in GW2. What a complete joke and the grind is just as dumb as Legendary Weapons. You might as well dedicate your time to that, because at least your weapon (some at least) will look cool and have nice behaviors. Then they have the audacity to time gate crafting certain items. I still don't understand why ANY ITEM would require more materials than you're allowed to stack. I guess they needed to nickle and dime for their cash shop.
I paid for the box, I've spent money for gems. I'm so pissed off at the entire thing, 2014 can't get here any sooner. I literally drop GW2 like a hot potato anytime any new game releases. I wait patiently.
I'm fed up with how ANet adds the crappy Living Zerg content every 2 weeks. I'm fed up with the doubling down on dumb ass grind. I'm fed up with them pissing around with content and character advancement. Give new skills and utilities. Giving players the ability to further modify their skills and builds so they can be more unique. OPEN UP A NEW ZONE that provides a fresh look and Tier 6 mats.
If not, stop f#%cking bragging about how many boxes you sell and how many players are playing and how you're the most updated game. They make tons of money, so that's not it.
*Flips Bird at ArenaNet* /rant
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