Originally posted by Ice-Queen Another thread where people want freebie handouts. If an mmo costs you a box and a subscription fee, and you don't wanna pay, skip it and go to the so called F2P games you love so much.
Of course. Why would i pay for a sub when i can get the same amount of fun (or even more!) for free?
Because if they were truly free and not just a marketing gimmick label, no one could afford to make them and then we wouldn't have any to play.
That is the dev's problem, not mine. Plus, they are truly free to everyone except the whales. I am not a whale .. so it is free to me. Is there a reason why i should not enjoy them?
Some people are fine figuring out ways to not pay taxes also... luckily, that's not everyone/
Well, if there is a legal way not to pay taxes, let me know. I am in. The only reason people pay taxes is because they are threaten with jail if they don't comply. I certainly am not doing it because i like to.
And what does that have to do with F2P games?
If a dev offers me a free game, i don't see a reason not to take advantage of it. I am sure if they are not happy about it, they won't be making it possible. It is not like i pirate the game.
And what is this "gouging" by games? I spent 40 fun hours in Marvel Heroes and I have yet to pay a cent. I spent many fun hours in STO (and got a new bird-of-prey recently) and yet to pay a cent. If this is gouging, please gouge me more!
Your game is free only because some poor sucker is spending thousands of dollars a month on pixelated crap. Hopefully he is getting some enjoyment out of it and is not just a complete addict and hopefully he doesn't have kids that are doing without things to fill his need for shiny pixel ships.
No game is free. The only question is who pays and how much. Same is true with most things in life.
I actually agree with OP. But I am just speculating and figuring that perhaps for every 10 people that buy the box maybe 50 would pay/play sub-only. Allot more people are willing to try a game at 15,-€$ then pay 60,-€$ even if it's included 30-day's free.
Besides agreeing with OP by no means do I mind paying for the box prices.
And I believe there also might be a technical aspect to box sales, meaning they sort of control the amount of people getting into the game.
Originally posted by nariusseldon Originally posted by IselinOriginally posted by nariusseldonOriginally posted by IselinOriginally posted by nariusseldonOriginally posted by Ice-QueenAnother thread where people want freebie handouts. If an mmo costs you a box and a subscription fee, and you don't wanna pay, skip it and go to the so called F2P games you love so much.
Of course. Why would i pay for a sub when i can get the same amount of fun (or even more!) for free?Because if they were truly free and not just a marketing gimmick label, no one could afford to make them and then we wouldn't have any to play.That is the dev's problem, not mine. Plus, they are truly free to everyone except the whales. I am not a whale .. so it is free to me. Is there a reason why i should not enjoy them?Some people are fine figuring out ways to not pay taxes also... luckily, that's not everyone/Well, if there is a legal way not to pay taxes, let me know. I am in. The only reason people pay taxes is because they are threaten with jail if they don't comply. I certainly am not doing it because i like to.
And what does that have to do with F2P games?
If a dev offers me a free game, i don't see a reason not to take advantage of it. I am sure if they are not happy about it, they won't be making it possible. It is not like i pirate the game.
I think thats great, you opt out of taxes and in turn should lose all privileges to drive on public roads and highways, all benefits of research and science, social security, medicare/cade and all military protection.
You commit to that movie when you go to the theater and pay the $10-$20 for the ticket to watch it you don't buy your ticket then walk out 30 minutes into the movie... You commit to a TV show if you know that you will watch or record each episode when they are on. You commit to a book when you start it with the goal of finishing it. I am not talking about marriage...
Take about yourself ... don't talk about me.
If a movie gets too bad in the middle, i walk out.
If a tv show gets too boring, i switch to another.
If a book gets too tedious, i stop reading.
Don't tell me you don't have any unfinished novels just because they are not as good as you thought. Of course i don't commit to entertainment.
I actually agree with OP. But I am just speculating and figuring that perhaps for every 10 people that buy the box maybe 50 would pay/play sub-only. Allot more people are willing to try a game at 15,-€$ then pay 60,-€$ even if it's included 30-day's free.
Besides agreeing with OP by no means do I mind paying for the box prices.
And I believe there also might be a technical aspect to box sales, meaning they sort of control the amount of people getting into the game.
I dont mind the box sales but the only games I have played (and purchased) sight unseen was UO and EQ. I always wait for either a trial or a friend who has the game.
THIS is something I would like to see. Free trials from Day 1... It will never happen. I do not believe the hype (even if its true) and I do not trust others. I want to try the damn thing before putting down $60 or whatever.
No trial means no sale for me unless I have seen the game played somewhere (and not by a PR spin doctor) although I have used youtube reviews to purchase before as well.
Originally posted by Ice-Queen Another thread where people want freebie handouts. If an mmo costs you a box and a subscription fee, and you don't wanna pay, skip it and go to the so called F2P games you love so much.
Of course. Why would i pay for a sub when i can get the same amount of fun (or even more!) for free?
Because if they were truly free and not just a marketing gimmick label, no one could afford to make them and then we wouldn't have any to play.
That is the dev's problem, not mine. Plus, they are truly free to everyone except the whales. I am not a whale .. so it is free to me. Is there a reason why i should not enjoy them?
Some people are fine figuring out ways to not pay taxes also... luckily, that's not everyone/
Well, if there is a legal way not to pay taxes, let me know. I am in. The only reason people pay taxes is because they are threaten with jail if they don't comply. I certainly am not doing it because i like to.
And what does that have to do with F2P games?
If a dev offers me a free game, i don't see a reason not to take advantage of it. I am sure if they are not happy about it, they won't be making it possible. It is not like i pirate the game.
It's simple really. beyond self-interest there is community interest. That's why I pay taxes, because it's good for the infrastructure of my community, not because I'm frightened, lol.
How does it relate to F2P? Simple again: in a free market system goods are only produced if they're economically viable. If enough people adopt the attitude that they will freeload and not pay anything soon enough there won't be a market for that good and it will no longer be produced.
Now I care about MMOs because I enjoy them. I have a stake in MMOs being an economically viable product.
It's a longer term view.
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Box prices are the return of investment for developing the game + profit, they do it because they can and it's the fastest way to see a profit return.
Paying 60$ upfront is better for them then trying to charge you for multiple months especially if they can't keep the initial player base, if they tried to do the sub only method it would take longer for a profit return, if they have a outside investor (which most have) they want to see a profit for their investment sooner then later.
Game company's are not charity's, don't be so naive.
Keep in mind the full box price of 60$ is only seen during a release of a new MMO, most of the games drop the prices considerably (down to the monthly sub fee) after the initial 2~ months depending on the popularity of the game.
And what is this "gouging" by games? I spent 40 fun hours in Marvel Heroes and I have yet to pay a cent. I spent many fun hours in STO (and got a new bird-of-prey recently) and yet to pay a cent. If this is gouging, please gouge me more!
Your game is free only because some poor sucker is spending thousands of dollars a month on pixelated crap. Hopefully he is getting some enjoyment out of it and is not just a complete addict and hopefully he doesn't have kids that are doing without things to fill his need for shiny pixel ships.
No game is free. The only question is who pays and how much. Same is true with most things in life.
So true, I ride by some "poorer" neighborhoods on the way to class and always see these free cell phone booths advertising to the locals in that particular hood.
One time I yelled, "that sh@t ain't free!" and they got very angry saying it indeed was.
I countered the simple fact that our tax dollars fund that crap and they shut up real quick.
Just because you are not paying for it does not mean someone else is not.
I also feel that paying boxprice and a sub is greedy, maybe not always if a game is huge and demand lots of upgrades and patching then I can understand more atleast.
When I played WOW it was worth every penny I spent on subs and expansions but today I feel diffrent.
You see today I have a huge family of gamers, Me, my girlfriend and three daughters who love gaming. And if you are five ppl in one house on one salery then you really don't want to buy ESO for example to five ppl thats 300 bucks just to get the games and play one month for "free".
You really don't want to pay 60 bucks on subs either, dudes I need my own sub to be able to play a game with subs or maybe som form of donation to keep going with computer upgrades.
We play Guild wars 2 because it's a great game with lots of content and a big playerbase and a big reason is also because of there buisness model.
Usually free to play games you have to pay even more then games with subs just the get the full experience and thats not ok, the only thing that is good with bad free to play games is that you can try them for free and see if you like them.
There should come more games with a buisness model like GW2, I think secret world has somewhat the same but otherwise I don't know of any.
If you have any hints on other games to try with the same kind of buisness model were you don't have to buy in a cash shop to play the game fully then please give me some examples so we can have more then one game to play.
// Beelze
ps It's great to always have a full group to do dungeons with in your own home
You commit to that movie when you go to the theater and pay the $10-$20 for the ticket to watch it you don't buy your ticket then walk out 30 minutes into the movie... You commit to a TV show if you know that you will watch or record each episode when they are on. You commit to a book when you start it with the goal of finishing it. I am not talking about marriage...
Take about yourself ... don't talk about me.
If a movie gets too bad in the middle, i walk out.
If a tv show gets too boring, i switch to another.
If a book gets too tedious, i stop reading.
Don't tell me you don't have any unfinished novels just because they are not as good as you thought. Of course i don't commit to entertainment.
You must live an incredibly generic life... If there is one thing worth committing to it is entertainment, no matter what your poison may be.
That or ADHD... nah... ADD you seem far from hyperactive.
And what is this "gouging" by games? I spent 40 fun hours in Marvel Heroes and I have yet to pay a cent. I spent many fun hours in STO (and got a new bird-of-prey recently) and yet to pay a cent. If this is gouging, please gouge me more!
Your game is free only because some poor sucker is spending thousands of dollars a month on pixelated crap. Hopefully he is getting some enjoyment out of it and is not just a complete addict and hopefully he doesn't have kids that are doing without things to fill his need for shiny pixel ships.
No game is free. The only question is who pays and how much. Same is true with most things in life.
No game is free for everyone. It is free for me.
And that "poor sucker" does it voluntarily. No one is forcing him. Again, if it is free for me, is there a reason why i should not enjoy it?
Well obviously it's an artifact of when most people still bought games in physical stores which companies convieniently never got rid of out of greed but in this era when a lot of games require no upfront investment I think demanding a box price and a sub is shooting themselves in the foot and driving away a lot of potential customers.
Example I'm somewhat interested in playing ESO. If I just had to sub for a month and see if I liked it I wouldn't hesitate to do that but I probably will not be buying a $60 box on launch day just for a game which I will still have to keep paying for if I do like it. At least with Skyrim for example if I do plunk down the $60 on launch day and then am somewhat let down I can keep it on my hard drive and maybe it will grow on me.
There's no additional value in the box that justifies the additional price. It's only value is the "free" month sub code which could easily be sold in a much smaller package much cheaper if people don't want to buy online. Boxes are a total ripoff for the consumer and probably drive a lot of business away from these games.
You there is a high chance that the game will have open beta access and will eventually have trials, so you don't really have to spend $60 to try the game out .
I also feel that paying boxprice and a sub is greedy, maybe not always if a game is huge and demand lots of upgrades and patching then I can understand more atleast.
When I played WOW it was worth every penny I spent on subs and expansions but today I feel diffrent.
You see today I have a huge family of gamers, Me, my girlfriend and three daughters who love gaming. And if you are five ppl in one house on one salery then you really don't want to buy ESO for example to five ppl thats 300 bucks just to get the games and play one month for "free".
You really don't want to pay 60 bucks on subs either, dudes I need my own sub to be able to play a game with subs or maybe som form of donation to keep going with computer upgrades.
We play Guild wars 2 because it's a great game with lots of content and a big playerbase and a big reason is also because of there buisness model.
Usually free to play games you have to pay even more then games with subs just the get the full experience and thats not ok, the only thing that is good with bad free to play games is that you can try them for free and see if you like them.
There should come more games with a buisness model like GW2, I think secret world has somewhat the same but otherwise I don't know of any.
If you have any hints on other games to try with the same kind of buisness model were you don't have to buy in a cash shop to play the game fully then please give me some examples so we can have more then one game to play.
// Beelze
ps It's great to always have a full group to do dungeons with in your own home
I had the a similar situation when my boys lived at home. Three subs werent too bad though and I made them work for it.
NOW heres the kicker. Now that they do not live at home and are struggling with getting started in life I am picking their subs up for a game I dont even play... I guess its cheaper than food lol.
And what is this "gouging" by games? I spent 40 fun hours in Marvel Heroes and I have yet to pay a cent. I spent many fun hours in STO (and got a new bird-of-prey recently) and yet to pay a cent. If this is gouging, please gouge me more!
Your game is free only because some poor sucker is spending thousands of dollars a month on pixelated crap. Hopefully he is getting some enjoyment out of it and is not just a complete addict and hopefully he doesn't have kids that are doing without things to fill his need for shiny pixel ships. No game is free. The only question is who pays and how much. Same is true with most things in life.
No game is free for everyone. It is free for me.
And that "poor sucker" does it voluntarily. No one is forcing him. Again, if it is free for me, is there a reason why i should not enjoy it?
I don't think anyone really cares about what you enjoy other than yourself. A little too self centered for my tastes.
You must live an incredibly generic life... If there is one thing worth committing to it is entertainment, no matter what your poison may be.
That or ADHD... nah... ADD you seem far from hyperactive.
Don't force your values onto others. Entertainment is the least i would commit to. I suppose you have nothing left but personal attacks.
I pity those who need to feel superior by forcing their preferences on others.
Not an attack by any means... Just an observation, you simply say how you bounce from game to game to game, no commitment to anything that is typical of ADD.
You're just going to TOS me anyhow... and anyone else who you manages to dispute your singular way of thinking.
So continue to ride on the backs of others like a remora and continue to be a burden of gaming society where you are the welfare recipient and you smile the whole way through knowing that "it didn't cost you a cent" where had you did make any kind of vested interest into a particular product that gave you hours of enjoyment that product may be better funded to help pave the way for even more enjoyment to be had not only by yourself but the entire community.
Originally posted by donpopuki Ok if you have some candy people want but what do you charge? [*] 1 buyer for $100 = $100 [*] 10 buyers at $20 = $200 100 buyers at $1 = $100 Obviously as a seller there's only one choice #2. Not sure why people don't understand basic economics...
You don't seem to understand basic economics because what you did there was nothing more then basic arithmetic.
These number mean nothing without a proper context.
Originally posted by donpopuki Ok if you have some candy people want but what do you charge? [*] 1 buyer for $100 = $100 [*] 10 buyers at $20 = $200 100 buyers at $1 = $100 Obviously as a seller there's only one choice #2. Not sure why people don't understand basic economics...
You don't seem to understand basic economics because what you did there was nothing more then basic arithmetic.
These number mean nothing without a proper context.
Geez do I have to write thesis? Yes there are other factors like the cost to produce the candy yourself, can you produce 100 pieces of candy and what other candy sellers are selling their product at. It's called a toy model used to demostrate a simple point which is demand for your product will move the price to the highest return.
Originally posted by Soki123 MMO players are getting whinier, and whinier every year. It s been like this for years, so what, no one complained for years, now all the self entitled generation, is hitting the MMO scene I guess.
Heh...There's a good chance that I'm older than you. People are just sick of paying tons of money up front on bad games and there's more competition which means people are less willing to accept things that rip them off just because "it's always been that way". I don't mind paying for a good game. I wouldn't even be talking about sub games if I did but I don't like being taken advantage of and wasting money.
Expensive boxes for MMOs never made much sense and much less so now when 99% of people buy them online. When you sub to a magazine does the magazine publisher send you a big box you have to pay a lot for before you can start getting your magazine? The whole idea is silly.
So don't buy BAD games. There's nothing wrong with a subscription in principle, and before WoW it was incredibly successful. The failure we've seen of those recent subscription games has been because of design or business decisions. Even the much despised SWTOR sold a good number of boxes. It however was rushed by the publisher and they felt that raids weren't important.
Would rather have a game be free to play but then subject yourself to constant advertisement or content gating? Would you rather have people who can expedite their ascent to max level with money? Would you rather the game spend money on developing gimmicky cash shop content or have their focus be on actual gameplay content?
I for one want a gated community. I want a community where we're all paying the subscription, we're all on equal footing with opportunities. You tout the idea that the f2p model is better, and with its advances, have we actually seen games gotten better? Have we actually gotten more content in games? No. We haven't. And if you've been playing this genre long enough you'd see what the "old timers" are talking about. Sure, f2p is more profitable but that's because you as the consumer are paying more and are likely getting coerced or convinced into doing so.
Originally posted by donpopuki Ok if you have some candy people want but what do you charge? [*] 1 buyer for $100 = $100 [*] 10 buyers at $20 = $200 100 buyers at $1 = $100 Obviously as a seller there's only one choice #2. Not sure why people don't understand basic economics...
You don't seem to understand basic economics because what you did there was nothing more then basic arithmetic.
These number mean nothing without a proper context.
The proper context would be the premise behind this thread would it not? Not to mention the point he made being rather simple to understand.
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Op this is not rational . I have never played a game that i did not had to buy .
And yes it includes mmorpg's and that is even not even remotely possible to play one without putting some money in it to play its full potential. ( i am not saying to play what you only want to play in it, i mean the full game without restriction what so ever !!)
You think the internet is free or cost less for a business then a regular joe???? Come on everything that relates to a business cost way more then for regular folk's would pay for even the same telephone services are more costly for them then us for the exact same thing we have.
Now you think they will invest million's in a game to give it out for free ROFL.
Just to maintain a mmorpg cost more then a regular deja vue action or adventure or even FPS type of game.
The development part can cost as much yes specially when graphics are involved because a mmorpg can not have as much pretty graphics as a stand alone game or fps have when the amount of items rendered is far less then the mmorpg but again once the game is done it is done and you can not say the same when it comes to a mmorpg that never stops to grow or/and adapt to its players base.
I am not trying to be rude or anything i envy also the time where everything will be free or try before you buy. But we are not living in that kind of world and possibly will never live in one.
Edit : It all comes down to what it cost to maintain a game. Internet services, the infrastructure, electricity, heat, people salary etc.etc. It is very different from a standalone game.
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Well, if there is a legal way not to pay taxes, let me know. I am in. The only reason people pay taxes is because they are threaten with jail if they don't comply. I certainly am not doing it because i like to.
And what does that have to do with F2P games?
If a dev offers me a free game, i don't see a reason not to take advantage of it. I am sure if they are not happy about it, they won't be making it possible. It is not like i pirate the game.
Your game is free only because some poor sucker is spending thousands of dollars a month on pixelated crap. Hopefully he is getting some enjoyment out of it and is not just a complete addict and hopefully he doesn't have kids that are doing without things to fill his need for shiny pixel ships.
No game is free. The only question is who pays and how much. Same is true with most things in life.
I actually agree with OP. But I am just speculating and figuring that perhaps for every 10 people that buy the box maybe 50 would pay/play sub-only. Allot more people are willing to try a game at 15,-€$ then pay 60,-€$ even if it's included 30-day's free.
Besides agreeing with OP by no means do I mind paying for the box prices.
And I believe there also might be a technical aspect to box sales, meaning they sort of control the amount of people getting into the game.
Because if they were truly free and not just a marketing gimmick label, no one could afford to make them and then we wouldn't have any to play.
That is the dev's problem, not mine. Plus, they are truly free to everyone except the whales. I am not a whale .. so it is free to me. Is there a reason why i should not enjoy them?
Some people are fine figuring out ways to not pay taxes also... luckily, that's not everyone/
Well, if there is a legal way not to pay taxes, let me know. I am in. The only reason people pay taxes is because they are threaten with jail if they don't comply. I certainly am not doing it because i like to.
And what does that have to do with F2P games?
If a dev offers me a free game, i don't see a reason not to take advantage of it. I am sure if they are not happy about it, they won't be making it possible. It is not like i pirate the game.
I think thats great, you opt out of taxes and in turn should lose all privileges to drive on public roads and highways, all benefits of research and science, social security, medicare/cade and all military protection.
Take about yourself ... don't talk about me.
If a movie gets too bad in the middle, i walk out.
If a tv show gets too boring, i switch to another.
If a book gets too tedious, i stop reading.
Don't tell me you don't have any unfinished novels just because they are not as good as you thought. Of course i don't commit to entertainment.
I dont mind the box sales but the only games I have played (and purchased) sight unseen was UO and EQ. I always wait for either a trial or a friend who has the game.
THIS is something I would like to see. Free trials from Day 1... It will never happen. I do not believe the hype (even if its true) and I do not trust others. I want to try the damn thing before putting down $60 or whatever.
No trial means no sale for me unless I have seen the game played somewhere (and not by a PR spin doctor) although I have used youtube reviews to purchase before as well.
It's simple really. beyond self-interest there is community interest. That's why I pay taxes, because it's good for the infrastructure of my community, not because I'm frightened, lol.
How does it relate to F2P? Simple again: in a free market system goods are only produced if they're economically viable. If enough people adopt the attitude that they will freeload and not pay anything soon enough there won't be a market for that good and it will no longer be produced.
Now I care about MMOs because I enjoy them. I have a stake in MMOs being an economically viable product.
It's a longer term view.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Box prices are the return of investment for developing the game + profit, they do it because they can and it's the fastest way to see a profit return.
Paying 60$ upfront is better for them then trying to charge you for multiple months especially if they can't keep the initial player base, if they tried to do the sub only method it would take longer for a profit return, if they have a outside investor (which most have) they want to see a profit for their investment sooner then later.
Game company's are not charity's, don't be so naive.
Keep in mind the full box price of 60$ is only seen during a release of a new MMO, most of the games drop the prices considerably (down to the monthly sub fee) after the initial 2~ months depending on the popularity of the game.
So true, I ride by some "poorer" neighborhoods on the way to class and always see these free cell phone booths advertising to the locals in that particular hood.
One time I yelled, "that sh@t ain't free!" and they got very angry saying it indeed was.
I countered the simple fact that our tax dollars fund that crap and they shut up real quick.
Just because you are not paying for it does not mean someone else is not.
http://business.time.com/2012/02/08/how-to-get-the-government-to-cover-your-cell-phone-bills/
I also feel that paying boxprice and a sub is greedy, maybe not always if a game is huge and demand lots of upgrades and patching then I can understand more atleast.
When I played WOW it was worth every penny I spent on subs and expansions but today I feel diffrent.
You see today I have a huge family of gamers, Me, my girlfriend and three daughters who love gaming. And if you are five ppl in one house on one salery then you really don't want to buy ESO for example to five ppl thats 300 bucks just to get the games and play one month for "free".
You really don't want to pay 60 bucks on subs either, dudes I need my own sub to be able to play a game with subs or maybe som form of donation to keep going with computer upgrades.
We play Guild wars 2 because it's a great game with lots of content and a big playerbase and a big reason is also because of there buisness model.
Usually free to play games you have to pay even more then games with subs just the get the full experience and thats not ok, the only thing that is good with bad free to play games is that you can try them for free and see if you like them.
There should come more games with a buisness model like GW2, I think secret world has somewhat the same but otherwise I don't know of any.
If you have any hints on other games to try with the same kind of buisness model were you don't have to buy in a cash shop to play the game fully then please give me some examples so we can have more then one game to play.
// Beelze
ps It's great to always have a full group to do dungeons with in your own home
You must live an incredibly generic life... If there is one thing worth committing to it is entertainment, no matter what your poison may be.
That or ADHD... nah... ADD you seem far from hyperactive.
What are your other Hobbies?
Gaming is Dirt Cheap compared to this...
No game is free for everyone. It is free for me.
And that "poor sucker" does it voluntarily. No one is forcing him. Again, if it is free for me, is there a reason why i should not enjoy it?
You there is a high chance that the game will have open beta access and will eventually have trials, so you don't really have to spend $60 to try the game out
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Don't force your values onto others. Entertainment is the least i would commit to. I suppose you have nothing left but personal attacks.
I pity those who need to feel superior by forcing their preferences on others.
So?
I am more than happy if whales are voluntarily paying for my gaming.
I had the a similar situation when my boys lived at home. Three subs werent too bad though and I made them work for it.
NOW heres the kicker. Now that they do not live at home and are struggling with getting started in life I am picking their subs up for a game I dont even play... I guess its cheaper than food lol.
I don't think anyone really cares about what you enjoy other than yourself. A little too self centered for my tastes.
So?
I am more than happy if whales are voluntarily paying for my gaming.
Apparently the only thing that makes you happy is trying to validate your subjective point of view lol.
Ok if you have some candy people want but what do you charge?
Not an attack by any means... Just an observation, you simply say how you bounce from game to game to game, no commitment to anything that is typical of ADD.
You're just going to TOS me anyhow... and anyone else who you manages to dispute your singular way of thinking.
So continue to ride on the backs of others like a remora and continue to be a burden of gaming society where you are the welfare recipient and you smile the whole way through knowing that "it didn't cost you a cent" where had you did make any kind of vested interest into a particular product that gave you hours of enjoyment that product may be better funded to help pave the way for even more enjoyment to be had not only by yourself but the entire community.
What are your other Hobbies?
Gaming is Dirt Cheap compared to this...
You don't seem to understand basic economics because what you did there was nothing more then basic arithmetic.
These number mean nothing without a proper context.
Geez do I have to write thesis? Yes there are other factors like the cost to produce the candy yourself, can you produce 100 pieces of candy and what other candy sellers are selling their product at. It's called a toy model used to demostrate a simple point which is demand for your product will move the price to the highest return.
So don't buy BAD games. There's nothing wrong with a subscription in principle, and before WoW it was incredibly successful. The failure we've seen of those recent subscription games has been because of design or business decisions. Even the much despised SWTOR sold a good number of boxes. It however was rushed by the publisher and they felt that raids weren't important.
Would rather have a game be free to play but then subject yourself to constant advertisement or content gating? Would you rather have people who can expedite their ascent to max level with money? Would you rather the game spend money on developing gimmicky cash shop content or have their focus be on actual gameplay content?
I for one want a gated community. I want a community where we're all paying the subscription, we're all on equal footing with opportunities. You tout the idea that the f2p model is better, and with its advances, have we actually seen games gotten better? Have we actually gotten more content in games? No. We haven't. And if you've been playing this genre long enough you'd see what the "old timers" are talking about. Sure, f2p is more profitable but that's because you as the consumer are paying more and are likely getting coerced or convinced into doing so.
The proper context would be the premise behind this thread would it not? Not to mention the point he made being rather simple to understand.
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Op this is not rational . I have never played a game that i did not had to buy .
And yes it includes mmorpg's and that is even not even remotely possible to play one without putting some money in it to play its full potential. ( i am not saying to play what you only want to play in it, i mean the full game without restriction what so ever !!)
You think the internet is free or cost less for a business then a regular joe???? Come on everything that relates to a business cost way more then for regular folk's would pay for even the same telephone services are more costly for them then us for the exact same thing we have.
Now you think they will invest million's in a game to give it out for free ROFL.
Just to maintain a mmorpg cost more then a regular deja vue action or adventure or even FPS type of game.
The development part can cost as much yes specially when graphics are involved because a mmorpg can not have as much pretty graphics as a stand alone game or fps have when the amount of items rendered is far less then the mmorpg but again once the game is done it is done and you can not say the same when it comes to a mmorpg that never stops to grow or/and adapt to its players base.
I am not trying to be rude or anything i envy also the time where everything will be free or try before you buy. But we are not living in that kind of world and possibly will never live in one.
Edit : It all comes down to what it cost to maintain a game. Internet services, the infrastructure, electricity, heat, people salary etc.etc. It is very different from a standalone game.