All Elderscrolls games (except pre-console era) had /have a console control system, ESO follows the same path.
All MMO"S have lessers gfx then singleplayer games, ESO follows same path.
there is no console hardware or PC hardware in the past 5-10 years that could not run ESO , even A Xbox and PS1 might be able to run it. and not coz ESO delivers bad gfx but coz its highly (ultra uber super )good optimized to deliver good gameplay /gfx on any system.
they would be crazy not to release the mmo on consoles to. it might not be a perfect ES game but its a very very good MMO sofar.
ofc..things can chance..like Archeage... from super hype want it down to shitty gameplay trash bin game.
Originally posted by goboygo I'm pretty sure its too late, the menu's have already been lobotomized to be console friendly.
This is the biggest problem from AAA MMO´s being addapted to console format..
The UI gets really limited by the controllers.. With console ports become the standard, i fear the worst..
Sad thing is none want to play MMOs on a console, because withouth keyboard chat there is no community..
Last I checked, it wasn't difficult to hook a keyboard up to just about any console made in the last 10 years or so. That's a completely moot point in this day and age.
Originally posted by goboygo I'm pretty sure its too late, the menu's have already been lobotomized to be console friendly.
This is the biggest problem from AAA MMO´s being addapted to console format..
The UI gets really limited by the controllers.. With console ports become the standard, i fear the worst..
Sad thing is none want to play MMOs on a console, because withouth keyboard chat there is no community..
Last I checked, it wasn't difficult to hook a keyboard up to just about any console made in the last 10 years or so. That's a completely moot point in this day and age.
It's not moot if they design the UI around using a controller even though they know people are able to plug their keyboards in.
Steam machine is just a PC using SteamOS which is based on Linux. The market for Linux only based games is incredibly small compared to Windows, Mac and console. It really would not make any sense to do that. Maybe in the future they can port it to Linux, but I doubt it would ever happen. WoW doesn't even have a Linux client.
Btw, you can't just download and play any game on SteamOS. The game has to have a Linux version (unless maybe you use an emulator like Wine). But I think their plan is to allow you to stream any game on Steam to your Steam machine, so in the end you will still be able to play any game from their library no matter if it's Windows or Mac.
If it's going to run on the PS4, then they've already written the game to run on FreeBSD. I've compiled binaries across Linux, *BSD and Solaris, so it's not too much of a stretch to think a rewrite for SteamOS would be trivial.
The market for games on Linux is pretty much non-existent right now though. There plan isn't to have tons of releases right now. The plan is to have many new releases in years following the initial release. I think you're right that the streaming is going to be a bigger deal than people think. It's going to let people do what they want, but it's also going to build up a client base for this new platform and get people used to the idea of just running games through Steam.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Originally posted by goboygo I'm pretty sure its too late, the menu's have already been lobotomized to be console friendly.
This is the biggest problem from AAA MMO´s being addapted to console format..
The UI gets really limited by the controllers.. With console ports become the standard, i fear the worst..
Sad thing is none want to play MMOs on a console, because withouth keyboard chat there is no community..
Last I checked, it wasn't difficult to hook a keyboard up to just about any console made in the last 10 years or so. That's a completely moot point in this day and age.
It's not moot if they design the UI around using a controller even though they know people are able to plug their keyboards in.
You honestly think they don't expect that most people are going to use a keyboard? Yeah, they'll have a virtual keyboard in the game or something, but I doubt they're wasting that much time on coming up with innovative ways for people to not use a keyboard when it's as easy as... using a keyboard. I used to play EQOA on the PS2, and it was rare that you played with someone that didn't have a keyboard, even back then. I wouldn't worry about it.
They state they are already up to 65 million. MInute 3:20 of the video.
And they all run Linux. You can only play Linux games on the steam consoles unless you stream from a gaming PC on your LAN that has steam installed, which you can already do with an HDMI cable, so...the Steam machine is about pointless.
Originally posted by goboygo I'm pretty sure its too late, the menu's have already been lobotomized to be console friendly.
This is the biggest problem from AAA MMO´s being addapted to console format..
The UI gets really limited by the controllers.. With console ports become the standard, i fear the worst..
Sad thing is none want to play MMOs on a console, because withouth keyboard chat there is no community..
Last I checked, it wasn't difficult to hook a keyboard up to just about any console made in the last 10 years or so. That's a completely moot point in this day and age.
It's not moot if they design the UI around using a controller even though they know people are able to plug their keyboards in.
Last I checked, they are going to allow UI mods on ESO. So that's also a moot point in this day and age.
They state they are already up to 65 million. MInute 3:20 of the video.
And they all run Linux. You can only play Linux games on the steam consoles unless you stream from a gaming PC on your LAN that has steam installed, which you can already do with an HDMI cable, so...the Steam machine is about pointless.
Wouldn't it be nice if you could wake up one day and WINDOWS is no longer needed? Ah that would be sweet. So why not put it on that platform to get that started? Unless you LIKE WINDOWS 8. ""Shivers"""
I'm pretty much done with windows after this computer, thanks to windows 8, I will never use windows OS again so it would be nice to have ESO on SteamOS. We know its already on MAC so it not too far from Linux.
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Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you.
Obviously the OP wants this game to fail before it even gets its footing.
Well it would still be on PS4, Steambox and PC.... You just wouldn't have it on XBOX or PS3
ESO was originally not going to be on XBOX anyways because they were greedy and dint want the playstation to be on cross platform with them. They also were not going to put on PS3, and still might not.....
Originally posted by goboygo I'm pretty sure its too late, the menu's have already been lobotomized to be console friendly.
This is the biggest problem from AAA MMO´s being addapted to console format..
The UI gets really limited by the controllers.. With console ports become the standard, i fear the worst..
Sad thing is none want to play MMOs on a console, because withouth keyboard chat there is no community..
Last I checked, it wasn't difficult to hook a keyboard up to just about any console made in the last 10 years or so. That's a completely moot point in this day and age.
EQOA was a console only MMORPG made over 10 years ago that had no problems with chat/community
They state they are already up to 65 million. MInute 3:20 of the video.
And they all run Linux. You can only play Linux games on the steam consoles unless you stream from a gaming PC on your LAN that has steam installed, which you can already do with an HDMI cable, so...the Steam machine is about pointless.
Wouldn't it be nice if you could wake up one day and WINDOWS is no longer needed? Ah that would be sweet. So why not put it on that platform to get that started? Unless you LIKE WINDOWS 8. ""Shivers"""
I'm pretty much done with windows after this computer, thanks to windows 8, I will never use windows OS again so it would be nice to have ESO on SteamOS. We know its already on MAC so it not too far from Linux.
The user and all related content has been deleted.
Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you.
I actually like Windows 8. It took me a few days to adjust but I had that going from XP to 7 too. I agree that drivers were a pain at first but that has been true of EVERY windows OS ever made (it's why some people leave new Windows versions well alone for a year after launch).
I don't see any point in ignoring the PS4 and XBox1, especially to favor the Steam Box (an as yet untested and unreliable system to back - will it be popular? Who is it targeting? Will it have a worthwhile catalog of games?). It would make no financial sense, especially if they could target all of the options unless someone gave them a big bag of money for exclusivity (and that would need to be a BIG bag of money).
Originally posted by goboygo I'm pretty sure its too late, the menu's have already been lobotomized to be console friendly.
This is the biggest problem from AAA MMO´s being addapted to console format..
The UI gets really limited by the controllers.. With console ports become the standard, i fear the worst..
Sad thing is none want to play MMOs on a console, because withouth keyboard chat there is no community..
Last I checked, it wasn't difficult to hook a keyboard up to just about any console made in the last 10 years or so. That's a completely moot point in this day and age.
It's not moot if they design the UI around using a controller even though they know people are able to plug their keyboards in.
Last I checked, they are going to allow UI mods on ESO. So that's also a moot point in this day and age.
That's a good point. The UI honestly already works pretty well, but there are obvious things that are meant for controllers in game right now. Hopefully someone will step up and smooth over some of the more annoying bits.
Originally posted by goboygo I'm pretty sure its too late, the menu's have already been lobotomized to be console friendly.
This is the biggest problem from AAA MMO´s being addapted to console format..
The UI gets really limited by the controllers.. With console ports become the standard, i fear the worst..
Sad thing is none want to play MMOs on a console, because withouth keyboard chat there is no community..
Last I checked, it wasn't difficult to hook a keyboard up to just about any console made in the last 10 years or so. That's a completely moot point in this day and age.
EQOA was a console only MMORPG made over 10 years ago that had no problems with chat/community
Yep, I used that as an example in my second post. Even in that game, it seemed like most people used a keyboard to chat, hence the community didn't really feel any different than any other mmo.
Second lets look at XBOX. They said at first they refused to have any of their XBOX games to be corss-platformed with other game consoles.. Well seems they are changing their TUNE now, or are they? Nope. They want to make people who play ESO have to pay a LIVE GOLD sub on TOP of ESO sub. ESO has asked them not to force customers to have to have a LIVE GOLD sub for ESO, but they are greedy and want more money.....
You could just as easily say Zenimax want people who pay an Xbox Live sub to pay a TESO sub. And then go on and talk about Zenimax being greedy etc.
XBox Live is not new.
They will get fewer sales as a result but that is Zenimax's problem. Hopefully they have budgeted accordingly. See no reason why Microsoft should change - potentially damaging their model and the sales of all other game developers who allow for it.
Second lets look at XBOX. They said at first they refused to have any of their XBOX games to be corss-platformed with other game consoles.. Well seems they are changing their TUNE now, or are they? Nope. They want to make people who play ESO have to pay a LIVE GOLD sub on TOP of ESO sub. ESO has asked them not to force customers to have to have a LIVE GOLD sub for ESO, but they are greedy and want more money.....
You could just as easily say Zenimax want people who pay an Xbox Live sub to pay a TESO sub. And then go on and talk about Zenimax being greedy etc.
XBox Live is not new.
They will get fewer sales as a result but that is Zenimax's problem. Hopefully they have budgeted accordingly. See no reason why Microsoft should change - potentially damaging their model and the sales of all other game developers who allow for it.
Just because it's on Xbox Live it doesn't mean it needs a Gold membership.
Example Defiance - Xbox Live is required to play (on xbox obviously), but free accounts also work (without gold membership)
They must have changed that, because at launch they stated very clearly that you needed Xbox Live Gold to play Defiance online. Microsoft must be finally lightening up a bit!
Edit: Upon further research it looks like you are wrong. This is on the official FAQ
"Is a subscription required to play Defiance?
No, a subscription is not required to play Defiance! However, if you buy the game for Xbox 360, you will need to have an Xbox Live Gold membership in order to play."
That said, FFXI is the only 360 game I know of that doesn't need gold. Apparently that was only because Microsoft wanted to break into the Japanese market and Square-enix gave them the exclusive next gen console version of FFXI.
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All Elderscrolls games (except pre-console era) had /have a console control system, ESO follows the same path.
All MMO"S have lessers gfx then singleplayer games, ESO follows same path.
there is no console hardware or PC hardware in the past 5-10 years that could not run ESO , even A Xbox and PS1 might be able to run it. and not coz ESO delivers bad gfx but coz its highly (ultra uber super )good optimized to deliver good gameplay /gfx on any system.
they would be crazy not to release the mmo on consoles to. it might not be a perfect ES game but its a very very good MMO sofar.
ofc..things can chance..like Archeage... from super hype want it down to shitty gameplay trash bin game.
Last I checked, it wasn't difficult to hook a keyboard up to just about any console made in the last 10 years or so. That's a completely moot point in this day and age.
It's not moot if they design the UI around using a controller even though they know people are able to plug their keyboards in.
If it's going to run on the PS4, then they've already written the game to run on FreeBSD. I've compiled binaries across Linux, *BSD and Solaris, so it's not too much of a stretch to think a rewrite for SteamOS would be trivial.
The market for games on Linux is pretty much non-existent right now though. There plan isn't to have tons of releases right now. The plan is to have many new releases in years following the initial release. I think you're right that the streaming is going to be a bigger deal than people think. It's going to let people do what they want, but it's also going to build up a client base for this new platform and get people used to the idea of just running games through Steam.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
You honestly think they don't expect that most people are going to use a keyboard? Yeah, they'll have a virtual keyboard in the game or something, but I doubt they're wasting that much time on coming up with innovative ways for people to not use a keyboard when it's as easy as... using a keyboard. I used to play EQOA on the PS2, and it was rare that you played with someone that didn't have a keyboard, even back then. I wouldn't worry about it.
And they all run Linux. You can only play Linux games on the steam consoles unless you stream from a gaming PC on your LAN that has steam installed, which you can already do with an HDMI cable, so...the Steam machine is about pointless.
Last I checked, they are going to allow UI mods on ESO. So that's also a moot point in this day and age.
Wouldn't it be nice if you could wake up one day and WINDOWS is no longer needed? Ah that would be sweet. So why not put it on that platform to get that started? Unless you LIKE WINDOWS 8. ""Shivers"""
I'm pretty much done with windows after this computer, thanks to windows 8, I will never use windows OS again so it would be nice to have ESO on SteamOS. We know its already on MAC so it not too far from Linux.
Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you.
Well it would still be on PS4, Steambox and PC.... You just wouldn't have it on XBOX or PS3
ESO was originally not going to be on XBOX anyways because they were greedy and dint want the playstation to be on cross platform with them. They also were not going to put on PS3, and still might not.....
So wheres the loss?
EQOA was a console only MMORPG made over 10 years ago that had no problems with chat/community
@skeaser
The point is that if you have a small form PC under you TV. Then Streaming is good. Having your big gaming PC near your TV doesnt look good.
@fistorm ;
Windows is awesome :P
Yah i cant wait for that day. But until then we get to hear about windows 9 in april.
ASUS G74sx
i7 quad core
16gb ddr3 ram
3gb ram Nvidia 560M
240GB SSD & 750GB
Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you.
I actually like Windows 8. It took me a few days to adjust but I had that going from XP to 7 too. I agree that drivers were a pain at first but that has been true of EVERY windows OS ever made (it's why some people leave new Windows versions well alone for a year after launch).
I don't see any point in ignoring the PS4 and XBox1, especially to favor the Steam Box (an as yet untested and unreliable system to back - will it be popular? Who is it targeting? Will it have a worthwhile catalog of games?). It would make no financial sense, especially if they could target all of the options unless someone gave them a big bag of money for exclusivity (and that would need to be a BIG bag of money).
That's a good point. The UI honestly already works pretty well, but there are obvious things that are meant for controllers in game right now. Hopefully someone will step up and smooth over some of the more annoying bits.
Yep, I used that as an example in my second post. Even in that game, it seemed like most people used a keyboard to chat, hence the community didn't really feel any different than any other mmo.
You could just as easily say Zenimax want people who pay an Xbox Live sub to pay a TESO sub. And then go on and talk about Zenimax being greedy etc.
XBox Live is not new.
They will get fewer sales as a result but that is Zenimax's problem. Hopefully they have budgeted accordingly. See no reason why Microsoft should change - potentially damaging their model and the sales of all other game developers who allow for it.
They must have changed that, because at launch they stated very clearly that you needed Xbox Live Gold to play Defiance online. Microsoft must be finally lightening up a bit!
Edit: Upon further research it looks like you are wrong. This is on the official FAQ
"Is a subscription required to play Defiance?
No, a subscription is not required to play Defiance! However, if you buy the game for Xbox 360, you will need to have an Xbox Live Gold membership in order to play."
That said, FFXI is the only 360 game I know of that doesn't need gold. Apparently that was only because Microsoft wanted to break into the Japanese market and Square-enix gave them the exclusive next gen console version of FFXI.