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Yes. Also, if led by women. All depends on leadership style, just as if it were led by boys/men.
Still don't get why you even ask.
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EQ2 isn't the best example as the game isn't competitive at all these days. Most the servers require a few people behind a keyboard half afk to be top 2. Some servers don't even have 2 serious raid guilds..........
Women = drama, period. It is not always their fault, there's a lot of lonely guys that play video games that will try to overstep their bounds because its a game on the interwebz, I understand that. There's also women who start guilds for the attention, because they can't get it irl. The same can be said for men though, but at least with them, you have a lesser chance of other men vying for their attention.
I've been in a raiding guild led by a woman who was also the raid leader, and we were able to clear content, but drama was so thick in the guild you could chew on it.
I would NEVER, NEVER, join a guild/fc/clan/community led by a girl, or with a girl officer. By girl I mean non-mature adult. Hell I don't even like being in guilds with them as members. Inadvertantly, 100% of the time, girls cause problems, a LOT of problems. And its not only because of the fact that they are female, its part of being a teenager, they just can't control themselves. The mmorpg community seems to be growing older as a whole, with more people in their late 20s early 30s than when I started playing, so I run into very few young girls, but when I do, its always a travesty.
Never in my life.
And if i was a guild leader, i wouldnt even take a woman on my guild.
Enoughdaily hassle in a guild already, don't need some dramaqueen full of herself dragging her personal issues into it. Best thing is always when you have two of this kind on the guild..at first they are best friends, mocking the guys while sitting in their own channel on VoIP giggling and gossiping and after one week, they usually have each other on ignore and try to drag people on their respective side by making the other suspicious in some way (like there can only be one hivequeen).
Worst raids i've been in were also lead by female raid leaders. Unorganised, leaving people waiting and in the end its like "ah, it doesnt work today, we reschedule" while nobody even knows what went on altogether. And during fights, they are so busy with themselves that they usually switch to total tunnelvision that after a wipe they have no idea what went wrong.
I could go on forever here, but i guess you get the idea.
Play for fun. Play to win. Play for perfection. Play with friends. Play in another world. Why do you play?
Except that women aren't leaders.
LOL, my boss who is a SVP of a Tech group of a major financial institution would strongly disagree with you.
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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That you are unreasonably biased against over 50% of the human population? Check, that message came through loud and clear. Rest of it was mostly tripe though.
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Unreasonably? Ok, if you say so...
Sure.
What are they wearing?
By girls? Probably not.
By women? Absolutely.
Gender makes no difference to me. I prefer older though, like 30+. More real world experience tends to make one a better leader.
He is correct.You may of had some bad experiences with female players in the past but you've used that to generalize that every female is like that and have become a misogynist in doing so.
I've seen just as much guild drama caused by guys as by gals,to me it's more of a maturity problem than a sex problem.
I've also been in guilds with great leaders of both sexes.It's a total non issue to me.
Period.
Edit: Not that I don't care about personality, but plz fugly bitches gtfo of my game
I was in a raid guild in Rift. The leadership was a bunch of RL friends the top 4 officers were 2 husband and wife teams. The female presence in the guild was higher than the men's. There were more female officers than male. I was in a Guild in GW2 that was created by a woman, her 2nd in command was a guy and he was the one who messed up the guild.
So many examples of women running guilds or in officer positions. And yeah, there was one or 2 who were in their position because hubby was GM where it was clear the woman was using her husband's position to get on a power trip. But again, there are more examples of guys being douche bags than women.
I don't see how the sex, race or religion by the guildleader or officers matter at all.
I wouldn't be in a guild were the only way to become an officer included that they must be men or women though.
I think some people focus way too much on stuff like this and the fact that some players treat women very differently probably turns off many female gamers and is most likely the reason that there are all female guilds.
Since I don't pick up ladies in a game I don't really care who is behind an avatar, P care how they play and how they act to others. And I frankly rather recruit a noob that is nice to my guild than a good jerk since it is way easier to learn up a noob to play well then to turn a jerk to someone worth playing with. I have never recruited or not recruited someone because their sex and some of the best player I played with are female.
When I think of how far we have come as a society, all the great achievements by both men and women... and then I go to one of my favorite gaming sites and read a topic title like this... well, all I can do is....
A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true...
That is generally true but there are plenty of exceptions. I eventually found out that my guildleader back in AoC was old and retired while one of the other officers were just 17 and I never would have guessed the age of either if they didn't discussed it in the officers chat.
Most players and officers in my current guild is between 30 and 45 though but it have more to do with the fact that we are a local guild and most players knows at least some of the other players.
It's funny you say that.
When i 1st started in MMOs, I'd see a female toon running around in a skimpy outfit and I'd instantly think pre-adolescent male. But then I joined guilds with women. And I found that a lot of the female characters in skimpy armor were in-fact really women. It happens A LOT!
The last guild I joined in AoC had seven women in it, out of maybe 100 active members total, and one of them was the co-leader of the guild.
Two of them claimed they didn't have microphones, so they wouldn't talk in vent, but they would talk like total sluts all day in guild chat. One was even selling dirty chat for gold, which occupied several male guild members for hours on end while we could have been grouping with them.
Honestly, I'm pretty sure that one of them was a guy pretending to be a woman. Eventually the guy pretending to be a woman rage quit after three wipes on a boss one night and hasn't been back online in over four months. AoC has these vanity boots that will cause pools of blood to form at your feet. She would put them on all the time and make comments about just losing "her" virginity. You can only imagine how distracting that was to all the pre-pubescent teens in the guild.
The other one didn't get a sword that she wanted in a raid one night. She thought it should belong to her due to it's stats, but it's actually a ranger sword first and a ranger needed it, so the guild leader gave it to the ranger. This girl subsequently wouldn't raid with the guild anymore after that and eventually moved her toons to another guild.
Two of the women in the guild were spouses of two of the men in our guild. One of them was a huge flirt whenever her husband wasn't online. One day one of the girls came home to find her husband naked on Skype with the other woman and a huge fight broke out in vent upon which the offending female quit the guild along with the offending male who hasn't *played* since. He logs on occasionally and was one of the guilds best tanks.
One of our women was an older lady living in Greece. She's a far left wing socialist liberal and vent would constantly break out into terse political discussions centered around her more left leaning comments.
The co-guild leader wasn't bad, but she is very soft spoken, avoids conflict and won't correct people who aren't doing their job. She also gets tunnel vision during raids and often has to be reminded of the little details like making sure that a healer is in every group.
Oh and another female was returning to the game and was thinking about joining our guild. She came into vent and within minutes started making very caustic comments to the only other female in vent and soon they were literally screaming at each other until the first female left.
Drama drama drama drama and 75% or more of it was centered around the female element which made up less than 10% of the guild's total active population. Make of that what you will.
Tbh, drama around the female element sounds far more like a male problem than a female one.
You know what guild I wouldn't join? One where men can't handle a woman existing somewhere, because that says a lot about the guild's maturity and future.
Favorite MMO: Vanilla WoW
Currently playing: GW2, EVE
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Excuse me for saying "girls" all the time. I wanted to say "women" or "a female player" but since the game I used to play had %90 of the female players as "girls" I just happened to say it that way. I should get a hold of myself if I'm posting a thread. I too think the same way you do, I'm actually embarrassed for posting something like this. With many people around me, claiming that it was nearly impossible to have a good guild lead by a women... I felt the need to ask other people from other communities. In fact, what makes me feel horrible about asking a question of this kind in the first place is that I am female.
I guess there are all kinds of people eh?
NOTE: That sounds like some big killjoy
And again, I'm extremely sorry for putting up a thread of this kind, I just had to hear some different ideas.
Thank you very much for sharing your ideas!
I suppose the gender is just an issue in the game I used to play, or a problem in the community I happened to be in.
Your words were a great help!