You're right, mirror classes do provide an easy way to perfectly balance. Some find it a little boring though. Sides figuring out ways to maximize their own strengths while countering the enemy's can make things more interesting. Not everyone feels that way, but a minority of us (and Matt Firor too, until just recently) do.
They aren't mirrored classes. It is more or less an open skill system with very loosely defined classes.
Everyone is free to make a character completely different from each other even within the same class.
Also the very low percentage of additional races in other factions will make ZERO impact in RvR. The difference is only in your own mind. You pick a faction and are locked into it. If you pick a faction you hold no pride for it is entirely your own fault.
Now that i think about it.. when you consider how the class system works and what the racial skills are there is very little impact of having differing races locked into different realms. The impact the skills will have on pvp seems almost irrelevant to me. IF certain races were locked into certain CLASSES it would make a big difference.. but the way it is implemented.. It seems to not matter at all.
Originally posted by Frammshamm The factions are still completely intact. There will still be FACTION pride. You can just play any race and still belong to ONE FACTION. You arent FACTIONLESS>. you are part of a FACTION, just not limited to the RACES OF THAT FACTION. I hope i was clear enough for you. Really, this shouldnt be needed at all bc just basic READING SKILL should have been sufficient to understand this.
When there are no differences between the two (or three) sides fighting, it becomes a lot less interesting. In other words, if my faction is exactly the same as the other two factions, then there really isn't any point to having factions at all. It's just a battleground like GW2 offered.
I see that you feel pretty strongly about this, so - standard disclaimer - this is just my opinion. You were clear enough for me too, thank god for all those caps (they helped). Now, off to work on my reading skills.
I see that you really didn't want an answer to your pretend question in the title.
On the contrary, the couple posts about CU were news to me, and appreciated. As for whether ESO's RVR is any good, it should be fair game for discussion. I doubt you can make a case that it is still DAOC style RVR now though.
1. Anyone interested in RVR already knows what's available and coming.
2. I have no interest in making a case because I have no interest in campaigning for or against the game.
3. I KNOW how the RVR plays from personal experience... And I played DAoC for many years from release... I preordered.... Make of that what you will... Or ignore it if you're more interested in re-inventing the forum arguments.
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1. Anyone interested in RVR already knows what's available and coming.
1. That is what my original question was. Don't answer if you don't want to, but taking the time to post that I somehow already know the answer to my own question is a little strange. Some people on these forums spend a lot more time reading about games than I do. I appreciate any info they have.
1. Anyone interested in RVR already knows what's available and coming.
1. That is what my original question was. Don't answer if you don't want to, but taking the time to post that I somehow already know the answer to my own question is a little strange. Some people on these forums spend a lot more time reading about games than I do. I appreciate any info they have.
This is exactly what I would do. Lets not search for answers on internet (by the way those questions already have been answered numerous times). Let other people work hard and then appreciate any info they have.
Originally posted by Lord.BachusI dont see any reason why realmpride and RvR would be less with the current construction...As soon as you make your choice, you are stuck with it.. There is no realmswitching.
Plus there is no locked classes and there is a Mega Server so there will be constant switching of enemies and teammates.
Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!
Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!
Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!
Originally posted by Lord.BachusI dont see any reason why realmpride and RvR would be less with the current construction...As soon as you make your choice, you are stuck with it.. There is no realmswitching.
Plus there is no locked classes and there is a Mega Server so there will be constant switching of enemies and teammates.
If you are talking about Alts, it would happen no matter locked alliances or not. And what about locked classes? What do you mean?
While I agree that there is no realm switching with the character you made, there is nothing stopping you from having alts, at all, that are on the same mega server, but different factions.
I have heard no news about how this works - Therefore, my concern is still valid, if I have an alt from another faction and said faction is doing better or worse in AvA I can simple switch alts and roll along. This is not conducive to realm pride in my opinion. Servers we're a type of barrier to this issue. With a their megaserver technology, in the manner I understand it, we basically have one character screen, no other servers and all our alts from all our factions are right there.
I appreciate the megaserver idea, I don't like how simple is sounds to swap sides when things get hairy. Faction A sucking in the AvA zone, time to switch to Faction B or C alt, etc.
You get the idea.
If the megaserver works like others are describing, different strings of realities within the megaserver, how does that affect the AvA zone. What if one zone is moving the scrolls with faction A while another is moving with Faction B, I thought there was only one emperor?
play or dont play, no one cares or wait for another game 2 more years, then you can complain again and wait for next one again .. best game you will ever play is waiting one
Sadly ESO went the casual route just like GW2. Our last hope now is CU or DAoC freeshards. Genesis is full almost 24/7 so there is a huge demand for old school RvR (but still has many server problems), Uthgard is getting revamped and will relaunch soon, and there are a couple more projects that started recently after Genesis' success (one of them with an ex-DAoC dev, see the DAoC subreddit for more info).
Are you really so incapable of making your own decision about which faction to join that you can't have pride in a faction you weren't forced into because of your racial choice? Are you incapable of hating on members of other factions because they chose to be in those factions rather than because their race is a traditional member of the faction?
Maybe Camelot Unchained is what you want, expect a long wait though. Wildstar is 2 faction but they may have tried some way to pit three groups against each other like GW2 did, I dunno. I don't know if i've heard of another 3-faction RvRvR game in development other than CU and ESO.
Originally posted by boxsnd Sadly ESO went the casual route just like GW2. Our last hope now is CU or DAoC freeshards. Genesis is full almost 24/7 so there is a huge demand for old school RvR (but still has many server problems), Uthgard is getting revamped and will relaunch soon, and there are a couple more projects that started recently after Genesis' success (one of them with an ex-DAoC dev, see the DAoC subreddit for more info).
DAOC is awful by todays standards.
Besides who wants to play a game that has 45 second cc in it?
I would quit playing video games before I played DAOC. You have to have some serious rose tinted glasses to still have a flame for that game.
Originally posted by boxsnd Sadly ESO went the casual route just like GW2. Our last hope now is CU or DAoC freeshards. Genesis is full almost 24/7 so there is a huge demand for old school RvR (but still has many server problems), Uthgard is getting revamped and will relaunch soon, and there are a couple more projects that started recently after Genesis' success (one of them with an ex-DAoC dev, see the DAoC subreddit for more info).
Besides who wants to play a game that has 45 second cc in it?
Those who can press the purge button or have teammates that can press the demezz button?
dont forget - while im not a fan of the faction "unlocking" it really doesnt matter in rvr - since youll be wearing armor , you cant recognise who your fighting against anyway...this was only possible if you'd also restrict each faction to only be able to use their own armor style and THIS would suck balls...
Originally posted by Nemesis7884 dont forget - while im not a fan of the faction "unlocking" it really doesnt matter in rvr - since youll be wearing armor , you cant recognise who your fighting against anyway...this was only possible if you'd also restrict each faction to only be able to use their own armor style and THIS would suck balls...
This.
The loyalty toward a faction should come from the story. Do you want the Aldmeri Dominion to triumph? The Ebonheart Pact? Or the Daggerfall Covenant? 450 hours of story, you'd think, would nudge you one way or another. If that can't, then you're a hopeless cause anyway for having any kind of alliance loyalty.
As an aside, it might be easy for one player to make a new character in a different alliance to be on the 'winning' team (aside from the fact that there are multiple campaigns in progress at any given time,) but it's far less likely for entire guilds/groups of friends to make the hop. I know I won't be hopping anywhere once I decide on an alliance with my friends. Why would I abandon them to join the 'better' alliance? That, on its own, would provide me plenty of alliance loyalty.
Someone who doesn't make friends or join a guild in game is never going to feel alliance loyalty. I don't care what races are allowed or not allowed. It just won't happen. Alliance loyalty and pride stems from communion/unity and a sense of companionship. Not from racism.
Besides who wants to play a game that has 45 second cc in it?
Those who can press the purge button or have teammates that can press the demezz button?
Unless you all get ccd or get back to back cced.
In both cases you were outplayed. Time to improve your skills / teamwork / learn to interrupt casters.
DAoC is about tactics. A great group can destroy a mediocre zerg. In most other games it's about who has the most people. That's one of the reasons why they fail.
Besides who wants to play a game that has 45 second cc in it?
Those who can press the purge button or have teammates that can press the demezz button?
Unless you all get ccd or get back to back cced.
In both cases you were outplayed. Time to improve your skills / teamwork / learn to interrupt casters.
DAoC is about tactics. A great group can destroy a mediocre zerg. In most other games it's about who has the most people. That's one of the reasons why they fail.
To all the people talking about just switching to an alt and getting on the "winning" side. That only applies if said alt is in the same campaign as your main. If there's not enough room for said alt in the same campaign as your main, then you'll be in a completely different battle, fighting completely different people.. I think if Zeni was smart, the'd lock out multiple characters from separate factions in the same campaign. Then again.. just my opinion.
Originally posted by ThomasN7 Wow so if I just buy the standard edition I get locked out of other factions because I didn't fork over extra money ? Greed at it's finest.
na anyone that preorders gets free faction/race choice afaik (regardless of edition)
Originally posted by ThomasN7 Wow so if I just buy the standard edition I get locked out of other factions because I didn't fork over extra money ? Greed at it's finest.
Actual facts and knowledge are weapons negative folks never have to use
In both cases you were outplayed. Time to improve your skills / teamwork / learn to interrupt casters.
DAoC is about tactics. A great group can destroy a mediocre zerg. In most other games it's about who has the most people. That's one of the reasons why they fail.
In almost every game a great group can destroy mediocre zerg. I've done it pretty much every mmo I've ever played.
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Now that i think about it.. when you consider how the class system works and what the racial skills are there is very little impact of having differing races locked into different realms. The impact the skills will have on pvp seems almost irrelevant to me. IF certain races were locked into certain CLASSES it would make a big difference.. but the way it is implemented.. It seems to not matter at all.
1. Anyone interested in RVR already knows what's available and coming.
2. I have no interest in making a case because I have no interest in campaigning for or against the game.
3. I KNOW how the RVR plays from personal experience... And I played DAoC for many years from release... I preordered.... Make of that what you will... Or ignore it if you're more interested in re-inventing the forum arguments.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
1. That is what my original question was. Don't answer if you don't want to, but taking the time to post that I somehow already know the answer to my own question is a little strange. Some people on these forums spend a lot more time reading about games than I do. I appreciate any info they have.
This is exactly what I would do. Lets not search for answers on internet (by the way those questions already have been answered numerous times). Let other people work hard and then appreciate any info they have.
http://gloriavictisgame.com/application/game/index
Looks better than ESO in everyway
Plus there is no locked classes and there is a Mega Server so there will be constant switching of enemies and teammates.
Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!
Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!
Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!
Checking it out. Thanks.
If you are talking about Alts, it would happen no matter locked alliances or not. And what about locked classes? What do you mean?
While I agree that there is no realm switching with the character you made, there is nothing stopping you from having alts, at all, that are on the same mega server, but different factions.
I have heard no news about how this works - Therefore, my concern is still valid, if I have an alt from another faction and said faction is doing better or worse in AvA I can simple switch alts and roll along. This is not conducive to realm pride in my opinion. Servers we're a type of barrier to this issue. With a their megaserver technology, in the manner I understand it, we basically have one character screen, no other servers and all our alts from all our factions are right there.
I appreciate the megaserver idea, I don't like how simple is sounds to swap sides when things get hairy. Faction A sucking in the AvA zone, time to switch to Faction B or C alt, etc.
You get the idea.
If the megaserver works like others are describing, different strings of realities within the megaserver, how does that affect the AvA zone. What if one zone is moving the scrolls with faction A while another is moving with Faction B, I thought there was only one emperor?
How does that work?
DAoC - Excalibur & Camlann
Are you really so incapable of making your own decision about which faction to join that you can't have pride in a faction you weren't forced into because of your racial choice? Are you incapable of hating on members of other factions because they chose to be in those factions rather than because their race is a traditional member of the faction?
Maybe Camelot Unchained is what you want, expect a long wait though. Wildstar is 2 faction but they may have tried some way to pit three groups against each other like GW2 did, I dunno. I don't know if i've heard of another 3-faction RvRvR game in development other than CU and ESO.
DAOC is awful by todays standards.
Besides who wants to play a game that has 45 second cc in it?
I would quit playing video games before I played DAOC. You have to have some serious rose tinted glasses to still have a flame for that game.
Those who can press the purge button or have teammates that can press the demezz button?
DAoC - Excalibur & Camlann
Unless you all get ccd or get back to back cced.
This.
The loyalty toward a faction should come from the story. Do you want the Aldmeri Dominion to triumph? The Ebonheart Pact? Or the Daggerfall Covenant? 450 hours of story, you'd think, would nudge you one way or another. If that can't, then you're a hopeless cause anyway for having any kind of alliance loyalty.
As an aside, it might be easy for one player to make a new character in a different alliance to be on the 'winning' team (aside from the fact that there are multiple campaigns in progress at any given time,) but it's far less likely for entire guilds/groups of friends to make the hop. I know I won't be hopping anywhere once I decide on an alliance with my friends. Why would I abandon them to join the 'better' alliance? That, on its own, would provide me plenty of alliance loyalty.
Someone who doesn't make friends or join a guild in game is never going to feel alliance loyalty. I don't care what races are allowed or not allowed. It just won't happen. Alliance loyalty and pride stems from communion/unity and a sense of companionship. Not from racism.
In both cases you were outplayed. Time to improve your skills / teamwork / learn to interrupt casters.
DAoC is about tactics. A great group can destroy a mediocre zerg. In most other games it's about who has the most people. That's one of the reasons why they fail.
DAoC - Excalibur & Camlann
Bingo, and TESO has already proved this.
na anyone that preorders gets free faction/race choice afaik (regardless of edition)
Actual facts and knowledge are weapons negative folks never have to use
In almost every game a great group can destroy mediocre zerg. I've done it pretty much every mmo I've ever played.