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  • Eighteen16Eighteen16 Member UncommonPosts: 146
    Gaming journalism has quickly become a very pathetic and corrupt business. I would be shocked if there were still a large number of people who base a large portion of their judgment of the game based on those reviews. At this point I am more inclined to read the extremely biased user reviews such as on this forum over them. 
  • FearumFearum Member UncommonPosts: 1,175
    Originally posted by Nadia
    Originally posted by osc8r

    Hmm... i actually remember AOC and WAR, and all the negativity around them on the forums before they were released.

    But then there were the fanboys that kept chiming in with "a lot can happen in X months".

    i remember AOC fans claiming the "magic patch" prelaunch

    Damn WAR! Damn it to hell. I think that was probably the worst let down for me in an MMO. 

  • GhabboGhabbo Member UncommonPosts: 263
    Originally posted by baphamet

     


    Originally posted by rodingo
    Sure it could be some conspiracy that people are being paid to badmouth the game.  However, I think the more realistic approach is that they are just saying what they feel about the game.

     

    or maybe they are scared of the backlash they will get from their readers by saying anything positive about the game?

    writers will say whatever they need to say to get people to read their articles or subscribe to their youtube channels.

    i mean, if i took these "reviews" to heart, i would think that ESO was one of the worst mmo's ever created and i know that isn't true so something isn't right here.

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  • achesomaachesoma Member RarePosts: 1,768
    Originally posted by Asheram
    Originally posted by Dulu

    Joined: 2/09/06

     

    8 years on the site = new.

     

    Originally posted by Wylf
    Originally posted by Asheram

    You must be new to this site.

    The OP has been a member since 2006, and has some 48 posts.  Not new at all, and has some good questions.

     I didn't mean no disrespect to the op, just that the negativity of this site- not the ones running it either- just a lot of the posters here. I am sry that I gave off the wrong meaning.

    The fact you just had to explain yourself should give you some insight to this thread.

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  • FearumFearum Member UncommonPosts: 1,175
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by Dulu

    Been on the MMO scene for a very long time, and I've seen companies like MMORPG.com and other review sites suck the **** of games that have been terrible, just because they have big names.

     

    Age of Conan, Warhammer and Guild Wars 2 being the most notable. Anyone who was an MMO veteran when these games were releasing probably remembers thinking these games would be the next WoW, or the next Jesus Christ, etc. That's what the review companies were spouting.

     

    And then you actually got to play the games... and yeah, we know the history.

     

    My point is, why is it all of a sudden a game like ESO, which I thoroughly enjoy and think is so much better than anything that has released in years, is getting such terrible reviews, while games which almost no one enjoyed - received such AWESOME reviews?

     

    What's going on? Did Zenimax not pay someone? Is this an organized plot by a competitor? I hate to be the conspiracy theory guy, but I don't understand. Or, is this just some sort of meme which has spread across the internet like wildfire, or doge? "ESO sucks, not worth $15, armor painted on, blah blah blah" (Anyone else notice the reviews all use the exact same terminology? I had never heard anyone say "armor painted on" before ESO, yet I've heard it in EVERY-SINGLE-REVIEW!)

     

    I'm a skeptic, and I think some BS is going on..

    What is more likely - that ESO is a not a very good game in the first 10 levels and reviewers are calling it like it is

    OR

    Some batshit crazy conspiracy?

    Sometimes the reasons are so clear that one has to come up with conspiracy theories to dismess them.

    Please.

    OR

    most of the reviewers were expecting to play a single player ES game when they should have been expecting to play an mmo based in the ES world.

    OR

    Many of the reviewers are greedy and want more hits on their site and got burned from the past few mmo's that crashed and burned even after they gave them great reviews and are now playing it safe.

  • cichy1012cichy1012 Member UncommonPosts: 347

    I completely agree with you OP. Remember the days of saving your dollars and buying that badass game and playing the hell out of it wether it stunk or not. This site when originally started was a little different in the day. Now its just become a bash fest for every game that comes out. I cant count the many times ive take the opinion of reviews and avoided a game like the plague only to find out later it was a great game. But then again if your as old in gaming as I am, the days of EQ,UO,DAOC are gone. People look for that nostalgia...never find it.... and make a piss fest after.. 

     

    wash.. rinse.. repeat...

  • MikehaMikeha Member EpicPosts: 9,196

    What this is showing me is that people simply have no idea what a good mmo is.

  • FearumFearum Member UncommonPosts: 1,175
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by Notimeforbs
    Originally posted by Laughing-man
    Originally posted by Dulu

    I'm a skeptic, and I think some BS is going on..

    So you think that people are paid shills and that they are being paid to shit-can this game?

    I'm going to pretend you are kidding.

     

    So you think when hundreds of millions of dollars are a stake, companies wouldn't shill out a few thousand here and there to create bad press for their competitor?

    I'm going to pretend you are kidding.

    You are so wrong on this - its absurd.

    Game companies would never pull this off, none of them do it, it would be a complete waste of resources and money.

    Its actually beyond absurd, sorry.

     

    Really? Pretty sure one of the mods here have said this kind of stuff goes on and they try and keep it under control. Might have been to hype games but who is to say its not to create negativity also?

    Some of the people in some of these threads are so against some of these games its hard to think a sane person would carry on a vendetta against them for so long with little or no reason other than they dislike a game. Not even talking about ESO some of these other games that people just hound forever, or is it they are obsessed? Who knows?

  • Originally posted by Fearum
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by Dulu

    Been on the MMO scene for a very long time, and I've seen companies like MMORPG.com and other review sites suck the **** of games that have been terrible, just because they have big names.

     

    Age of Conan, Warhammer and Guild Wars 2 being the most notable. Anyone who was an MMO veteran when these games were releasing probably remembers thinking these games would be the next WoW, or the next Jesus Christ, etc. That's what the review companies were spouting.

     

    And then you actually got to play the games... and yeah, we know the history.

     

    My point is, why is it all of a sudden a game like ESO, which I thoroughly enjoy and think is so much better than anything that has released in years, is getting such terrible reviews, while games which almost no one enjoyed - received such AWESOME reviews?

     

    What's going on? Did Zenimax not pay someone? Is this an organized plot by a competitor? I hate to be the conspiracy theory guy, but I don't understand. Or, is this just some sort of meme which has spread across the internet like wildfire, or doge? "ESO sucks, not worth $15, armor painted on, blah blah blah" (Anyone else notice the reviews all use the exact same terminology? I had never heard anyone say "armor painted on" before ESO, yet I've heard it in EVERY-SINGLE-REVIEW!)

     

    I'm a skeptic, and I think some BS is going on..

    What is more likely - that ESO is a not a very good game in the first 10 levels and reviewers are calling it like it is

    OR

    Some batshit crazy conspiracy?

    Sometimes the reasons are so clear that one has to come up with conspiracy theories to dismess them.

    Please.

    OR

    most of the reviewers were expecting to play a single player ES game when they should have been expecting to play an mmo based in the ES world.

    OR

    Many of the reviewers are greedy and want more hits on their site and got burned from the past few mmo's that crashed and burned even after they gave them great reviews and are now playing it safe.

    No, it isn't that complicated. These types of things usually aren't.

     

  • FearumFearum Member UncommonPosts: 1,175
    Originally posted by ihaveabeard
    Originally posted by Fearum
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by Dulu

    Been on the MMO scene for a very long time, and I've seen companies like MMORPG.com and other review sites suck the **** of games that have been terrible, just because they have big names.

     

    Age of Conan, Warhammer and Guild Wars 2 being the most notable. Anyone who was an MMO veteran when these games were releasing probably remembers thinking these games would be the next WoW, or the next Jesus Christ, etc. That's what the review companies were spouting.

     

    And then you actually got to play the games... and yeah, we know the history.

     

    My point is, why is it all of a sudden a game like ESO, which I thoroughly enjoy and think is so much better than anything that has released in years, is getting such terrible reviews, while games which almost no one enjoyed - received such AWESOME reviews?

     

    What's going on? Did Zenimax not pay someone? Is this an organized plot by a competitor? I hate to be the conspiracy theory guy, but I don't understand. Or, is this just some sort of meme which has spread across the internet like wildfire, or doge? "ESO sucks, not worth $15, armor painted on, blah blah blah" (Anyone else notice the reviews all use the exact same terminology? I had never heard anyone say "armor painted on" before ESO, yet I've heard it in EVERY-SINGLE-REVIEW!)

     

    I'm a skeptic, and I think some BS is going on..

    What is more likely - that ESO is a not a very good game in the first 10 levels and reviewers are calling it like it is

    OR

    Some batshit crazy conspiracy?

    Sometimes the reasons are so clear that one has to come up with conspiracy theories to dismess them.

    Please.

    OR

    most of the reviewers were expecting to play a single player ES game when they should have been expecting to play an mmo based in the ES world.

    OR

    Many of the reviewers are greedy and want more hits on their site and got burned from the past few mmo's that crashed and burned even after they gave them great reviews and are now playing it safe.

    No, it isn't that complicated. These types of things usually aren't.

     

    Or

    they got dumped by an ex lover and are just miserable

    Or 

    they hate gaming and only do this for money and going negative is always safer than going positive... ah I think I said this one already. 

    Or

    ... got to think of a few more.

  • Originally posted by Fearum
    Originally posted by ihaveabeard
    Originally posted by Fearum
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by Dulu

    Been on the MMO scene for a very long time, and I've seen companies like MMORPG.com and other review sites suck the **** of games that have been terrible, just because they have big names.

     

    Age of Conan, Warhammer and Guild Wars 2 being the most notable. Anyone who was an MMO veteran when these games were releasing probably remembers thinking these games would be the next WoW, or the next Jesus Christ, etc. That's what the review companies were spouting.

     

    And then you actually got to play the games... and yeah, we know the history.

     

    My point is, why is it all of a sudden a game like ESO, which I thoroughly enjoy and think is so much better than anything that has released in years, is getting such terrible reviews, while games which almost no one enjoyed - received such AWESOME reviews?

     

    What's going on? Did Zenimax not pay someone? Is this an organized plot by a competitor? I hate to be the conspiracy theory guy, but I don't understand. Or, is this just some sort of meme which has spread across the internet like wildfire, or doge? "ESO sucks, not worth $15, armor painted on, blah blah blah" (Anyone else notice the reviews all use the exact same terminology? I had never heard anyone say "armor painted on" before ESO, yet I've heard it in EVERY-SINGLE-REVIEW!)

     

    I'm a skeptic, and I think some BS is going on..

    What is more likely - that ESO is a not a very good game in the first 10 levels and reviewers are calling it like it is

    OR

    Some batshit crazy conspiracy?

    Sometimes the reasons are so clear that one has to come up with conspiracy theories to dismess them.

    Please.

    OR

    most of the reviewers were expecting to play a single player ES game when they should have been expecting to play an mmo based in the ES world.

    OR

    Many of the reviewers are greedy and want more hits on their site and got burned from the past few mmo's that crashed and burned even after they gave them great reviews and are now playing it safe.

    No, it isn't that complicated. These types of things usually aren't.

     

    Or

    they got dumped by an ex lover and are just miserable

    Or 

    they hate gaming and only do this for money 

    Or

    ... got to think of a few more.

     

    Sometimes over-thinking is bad, mmkay?

  • baphametbaphamet Member RarePosts: 3,311


    Originally posted by DMKano

    Originally posted by Dulu Been on the MMO scene for a very long time, and I've seen companies like MMORPG.com and other review sites suck the **** of games that have been terrible, just because they have big names.   Age of Conan, Warhammer and Guild Wars 2 being the most notable. Anyone who was an MMO veteran when these games were releasing probably remembers thinking these games would be the next WoW, or the next Jesus Christ, etc. That's what the review companies were spouting.   And then you actually got to play the games... and yeah, we know the history.   My point is, why is it all of a sudden a game like ESO, which I thoroughly enjoy and think is so much better than anything that has released in years, is getting such terrible reviews, while games which almost no one enjoyed - received such AWESOME reviews?   What's going on? Did Zenimax not pay someone? Is this an organized plot by a competitor? I hate to be the conspiracy theory guy, but I don't understand. Or, is this just some sort of meme which has spread across the internet like wildfire, or doge? "ESO sucks, not worth $15, armor painted on, blah blah blah" (Anyone else notice the reviews all use the exact same terminology? I had never heard anyone say "armor painted on" before ESO, yet I've heard it in EVERY-SINGLE-REVIEW!)   I'm a skeptic, and I think some BS is going on..
    What is more likely - that ESO is a not a very good game in the first 10 levels and reviewers are calling it like it is

    OR

    Some batshit crazy conspiracy?

    Sometimes the reasons are so clear that one has to come up with conspiracy theories to dismess them.

    Please.


    is it batshit crazy to write or report on what you think your readers or youtube subscribers want to hear? i don't agree they are paid money straight up for what they say good or bad, but it is indeed money to them to make those readers happy by reporting what they want to hear to keep them coming back for more.

    that's not a conspiracy theory, that's just journalism. i wonder how many more subscribers angryjoe got after his review of ESO? that's straight cash homey. lol

  • FearumFearum Member UncommonPosts: 1,175
    Originally posted by ihaveabeard
     

     

    Sometimes over-thinking is bad, mmkay?

    This is what the thread is about though :P

  • Originally posted by baphamet

     


    Originally posted by DMKano

    Originally posted by Dulu Been on the MMO scene for a very long time, and I've seen companies like MMORPG.com and other review sites suck the **** of games that have been terrible, just because they have big names.   Age of Conan, Warhammer and Guild Wars 2 being the most notable. Anyone who was an MMO veteran when these games were releasing probably remembers thinking these games would be the next WoW, or the next Jesus Christ, etc. That's what the review companies were spouting.   And then you actually got to play the games... and yeah, we know the history.   My point is, why is it all of a sudden a game like ESO, which I thoroughly enjoy and think is so much better than anything that has released in years, is getting such terrible reviews, while games which almost no one enjoyed - received such AWESOME reviews?   What's going on? Did Zenimax not pay someone? Is this an organized plot by a competitor? I hate to be the conspiracy theory guy, but I don't understand. Or, is this just some sort of meme which has spread across the internet like wildfire, or doge? "ESO sucks, not worth $15, armor painted on, blah blah blah" (Anyone else notice the reviews all use the exact same terminology? I had never heard anyone say "armor painted on" before ESO, yet I've heard it in EVERY-SINGLE-REVIEW!)   I'm a skeptic, and I think some BS is going on..
    What is more likely - that ESO is a not a very good game in the first 10 levels and reviewers are calling it like it is

     

    OR

    Some batshit crazy conspiracy?

    Sometimes the reasons are so clear that one has to come up with conspiracy theories to dismess them.

    Please.


     

    is it batshit crazy to write or report on what you think your readers or youtube subscribers want to hear? i don't agree they are paid money straight up for what they say good or bad, but it is indeed money to them to make those readers happy by reporting what they want to hear to keep them coming back for more.

    that's not a conspiracy theory, that's just journalism. i wonder how many more subscribers angryjoe got after his review of ESO? that's straight cash homey. lol

    Angry joe actually stands to lose a lot more revenue for "bad mouthing" a game. Not many companies are going to give him access to unreleased games after that one review.

  • Originally posted by Fearum
    Originally posted by ihaveabeard
     

     

    Sometimes over-thinking is bad, mmkay?

    This is what the thread is about though :P

     

    I can't argue with that!

  • JeffSpicoliJeffSpicoli Member EpicPosts: 2,849

    OP Is making some really strong points. I mean lets be honest even the train wreck that was swtor got praised in every review and everyone who played in that early access/ or was it beta knew from the get-go that game was a steaming pile of horse sh&^%. My personally, i find ESO to be a hell of alot of fun but even if you are not amazed by the game trashing it the way some have seems kind of "out there" in my opinion.

     

      

    • Aloha Mr Hand ! 

  • HeretiqueHeretique Member RarePosts: 1,536
    Originally posted by Dulu

    My point is, why is it all of a sudden a game like ESO, which I thoroughly enjoy and think is so much better than anything that has released in years, is getting such terrible reviews

    You have an opposite opinion on the game. Doesn't mean the reviewers / people who don't enjoy the game are part of one big conspiracy.

  • FearumFearum Member UncommonPosts: 1,175
    Originally posted by baphamet

     


    Originally posted by DMKano

    Originally posted by Dulu Been on the MMO scene for a very long time, and I've seen companies like MMORPG.com and other review sites suck the **** of games that have been terrible, just because they have big names.   Age of Conan, Warhammer and Guild Wars 2 being the most notable. Anyone who was an MMO veteran when these games were releasing probably remembers thinking these games would be the next WoW, or the next Jesus Christ, etc. That's what the review companies were spouting.   And then you actually got to play the games... and yeah, we know the history.   My point is, why is it all of a sudden a game like ESO, which I thoroughly enjoy and think is so much better than anything that has released in years, is getting such terrible reviews, while games which almost no one enjoyed - received such AWESOME reviews?   What's going on? Did Zenimax not pay someone? Is this an organized plot by a competitor? I hate to be the conspiracy theory guy, but I don't understand. Or, is this just some sort of meme which has spread across the internet like wildfire, or doge? "ESO sucks, not worth $15, armor painted on, blah blah blah" (Anyone else notice the reviews all use the exact same terminology? I had never heard anyone say "armor painted on" before ESO, yet I've heard it in EVERY-SINGLE-REVIEW!)   I'm a skeptic, and I think some BS is going on..
    What is more likely - that ESO is a not a very good game in the first 10 levels and reviewers are calling it like it is

     

    OR

    Some batshit crazy conspiracy?

    Sometimes the reasons are so clear that one has to come up with conspiracy theories to dismess them.

    Please.


     

    is it batshit crazy to write or report on what you think your readers or youtube subscribers want to hear? i don't agree they are paid money straight up for what they say good or bad, but it is indeed money to them to make those readers happy by reporting what they want to hear to keep them coming back for more.

    that's not a conspiracy theory, that's just journalism. i wonder how many more subscribers angryjoe got after his review of ESO? that's straight cash homey. lol

    I think its bat shit crazy to judge any mmo in the first 10-15 levels since that is where you spend the least amount of your game time.

  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread Member EpicPosts: 7,254
    Originally posted by Fearum

    I think its bat shit crazy to judge any mmo in the first 10-15 levels since that is where you spend the least amount of your game time.

    Yeah, they should either remove the NDA or accept that a lot of people don't like the early game experience. The ball is really in their court.

  • Originally posted by Heretique
    Originally posted by Dulu

    My point is, why is it all of a sudden a game like ESO, which I thoroughly enjoy and think is so much better than anything that has released in years, is getting such terrible reviews

    You have an opposite opinion on the game. Doesn't mean the reviewers / people who don't enjoy the game are part of one big conspiracy.

     

    I'm guessing this might be the first time he hasn't agreed with a reviewer of his favorite game?

  • TokkenTokken Member EpicPosts: 3,650


    Originally posted by Dulu
    Been on the MMO scene for a very long time, and I've seen companies like MMORPG.com and other review sites suck the **** of games that have been terrible, just because they have big names. Age of Conan, Warhammer and Guild Wars 2 being the most notable. Anyone who was an MMO veteran when these games were releasing probably remembers thinking these games would be the next WoW, or the next Jesus Christ, etc. That's what the review companies were spouting. And then you actually got to play the games... and yeah, we know the history. My point is, why is it all of a sudden a game like ESO, which I thoroughly enjoy and think is so much better than anything that has released in years, is getting such terrible reviews, while games which almost no one enjoyed - received such AWESOME reviews? What's going on? Did Zenimax not pay someone? Is this an organized plot by a competitor? I hate to be the conspiracy theory guy, but I don't understand. Or, is this just some sort of meme which has spread across the internet like wildfire, or doge? "ESO sucks, not worth $15, armor painted on, blah blah blah" (Anyone else notice the reviews all use the exact same terminology? I had never heard anyone say "armor painted on" before ESO, yet I've heard it in EVERY-SINGLE-REVIEW!) I'm a skeptic, and I think some BS is going on..


    You see a pattern? How can so many reviews be wrong? I'm buying the game... but if there are so many reviews that trash the game, there must be something to it.


    Proud MMORPG.com member since March 2004!  Make PvE GREAT Again!

  • MMOGamer71MMOGamer71 Member UncommonPosts: 1,988
    I'm suspicious why a server stress test with a NDA in place is dressed up as a BETA and that 15 minutes of gameplay opinions is confused as being a "review". 
  • EugeneKDudleyEugeneKDudley Member Posts: 58
    it was blizzard working with the NSA to plant thought bombs in swag that was given to all these reviewers. once the trigger is clicked they randomly go insane and give a bad review on any game that might be a Wow killer.

    "By all means, reach for the stars but you need to build the spaceship first"

  • reeereeereeereee Member UncommonPosts: 1,636
    Originally posted by baphamet

     


    Originally posted by rodingo
    Sure it could be some conspiracy that people are being paid to badmouth the game.  However, I think the more realistic approach is that they are just saying what they feel about the game.

     

    or maybe they are scared of the backlash they will get from their readers by saying anything positive about the game?

    writers will say whatever they need to say to get people to read their articles or subscribe to their youtube channels.

    i mean, if i took these "reviews" to heart, i would think that ESO was one of the worst mmo's ever created and i know that isn't true so something isn't right here.

    Why are the reviewers suddenly now afraid of a backlash for giving good reviews when it never stopped them before with gw2, SWTOR, or even AoC?  How exactly would giving a bad or at least non-positive review be edgy or provocative and drive site traffic if everyone else is saying the same thing? 

     

    Do you seriously believe all the reviewers were playing ESO and were like:

     

    "This game is awesome!  Now I'll need to give it a terrible review so I can get more hits."

  • SiphaedSiphaed Member RarePosts: 1,114
    Originally posted by Dulu

    Been on the MMO scene for a very long time, and I've seen companies like MMORPG.com and other review sites suck the **** of games that have been terrible, just because they have big names.

     

    Age of Conan, Warhammer and Guild Wars 2 being the most notable. Anyone who was an MMO veteran when these games were releasing probably remembers thinking these games would be the next WoW, or the next Jesus Christ, etc. That's what the review companies were spouting.

     

    And then you actually got to play the games... and yeah, we know the history.

     

    My point is, why is it all of a sudden a game like ESO, which I thoroughly enjoy and think is so much better than anything that has released in years, is getting such terrible reviews, while games which almost no one enjoyed - received such AWESOME reviews?

     

    What's going on? Did Zenimax not pay someone? Is this an organized plot by a competitor? I hate to be the conspiracy theory guy, but I don't understand. Or, is this just some sort of meme which has spread across the internet like wildfire, or doge? "ESO sucks, not worth $15, armor painted on, blah blah blah" (Anyone else notice the reviews all use the exact same terminology? I had never heard anyone say "armor painted on" before ESO, yet I've heard it in EVERY-SINGLE-REVIEW!)

     

    I'm a skeptic, and I think some BS is going on..

    Age of Conan got an average 80/100 metacritic score.

    Warhammer Online got an average 86/100.

    Guild Wars 2 got a 90.

     

    But score is for not.  It's about the wording of the context of the actual review itself.   Age of Conan was tongue lashed by critics for it's lacking of content and polish post Tortage Island.   Warhammer was equally lashed for it's nonsense map designs and poor execution.    Out of the 3,  GW2 was praised the most by critics and players alike for a very [still so] enjoyable experience (mind you, the Personal Story still got reamed for it's focus of Trahern and very uneventful Zhitan fight at the end).

     

     

    Your personal views are your personal views.  See yourself as a minority  with that enjoyment.   The reviews are split between two parties:  Elder Scrolls fans and  MMORPG fans (sure more than a few are both, but that's neither here nor there).    

    -TESO as an MMORPG is a generic, bland fantasy MMORPG that has very little to offer in a now overly saturated genre; 

    -while at the same time, TESO does not live up to being a true Elder Scrolls game like the previous games (limited classes w/ skills,  no Thieves Guild, no vampirism, no werewolves, no Blackhand, etc.).

     

    That is the truth behind the views of critics and many who have tasted the flavorless waters of the game's state.      The blandness means that it's not very fun for players to enjoy and the lacking of features means that those that enjoy the series would rather much better be invested with one of the already existing games.  Most of the critics also make note of the lack of polish the game seems to show in it's state that is only 1.5 months from launching (a very short time at that).  

     


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