You can't tell yourself whether a game is a Sandbox or Themepark and yet you directly call Themeparks stupid. Do you even know what they mean? If you do, then go check it yourself.
And i am sure that every player as well as the whole Dev team is dying to know whether you will be playing the game or not.
This kind of affects whether or not I will be playing this game!
The game is more a themepark than sandbox if that helps you at all. That said, is has sandbox elements to it up to a point. However, if you're looking for a straight up go anywhere, do anything, at any point type of game ESO will disappoint you. As another game called itself a 'sandpark', ESO would probably fit that bill. A themepark with some sandbox elements.
Originally posted by funyahns Its obviously an open world sandbox. Whatever decisions you make in game are going to have huge ramifications.
Lol. Post of the night.
OP there have been enough reviews released that I think we can safely say that the PvE will be another no risk or reward themepark. I'm still not sure about the PvP part of the game, but i'm guessing it will be more GW2 WvW than Darkfall.
Originally posted by Quirhid Why would ESO be a sandbox? -The single player Elder Scrolls games aren't.
I swear, there's a different interpretation of what is or isn't a "sandbox" for every single individual on these forums. You aren't railroaded down a plot line, and you can play the game for ever without ever touching the main quest line if you choose. If it's not a sandbox just because it has quests then I think you need to rethink your definition a bit.
Originally posted by Quirhid Why would ESO be a sandbox? -The single player Elder Scrolls games aren't.
I swear, there's a different interpretation of what is or isn't a "sandbox" for every single individual on these forums. You aren't railroaded down a plot line, and you can play the game for ever without ever touching the main quest line if you choose. If it's not a sandbox just because it has quests then I think you need to rethink your definition a bit.
You can play just about any MMORPG without touching "the main quest line". That doesn't make a game sandbox. Neither does open world.
If you want to see a good example of a sandbox RPG, you should check out Mount & Blade.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been-Wayne Gretzky
Darkfall was hardly all that sandbox either, they just didn't put bugger all quests or PvE content in the game, everything from building to skills was set out for you. You are never going to get a good sandbox mmorg because 80% of the people playing need some sort of direction.
This game is not a sandbox. It is a generic themepark, and anyone that says otherwise does not know the meaning of sandbox. It is linear for the most part. You really don't have tons of freedom to travel until you hit 50. It has RvR, not that that has really ever been a major selling aspect of MMORPG's since forever. It is what it is. Either you like this type of game or you don't. If you liked SWToR - you'll probably like this game since voice overs seem to be a huge selling point.
It is very close to WoW in my experience watching reviews. You move around, do quests, get more quests, you need quests and mob slaughtering to progress. No other way to progress.
Sure, you could stand in town and do /emotes. If that makes it a sandbox, it is a sandbox!
MMOs finally replaced social interaction, forced grouping and standing in a line while talking to eachother.
Now we have forced soloing, forced questing and everyone is the hero, without ever having to talk to anyone else. The evolution of multiplayer is here! We won,... right?
Originally posted by Quirhid Why would ESO be a sandbox? -The single player Elder Scrolls games aren't.
I swear, there's a different interpretation of what is or isn't a "sandbox" for every single individual on these forums. You aren't railroaded down a plot line, and you can play the game for ever without ever touching the main quest line if you choose. If it's not a sandbox just because it has quests then I think you need to rethink your definition a bit.
It is interesting, isn't it? People claim it's not sandbox if it doesn't have this or that and then go on and on about what a sandbox is in their eyes and tag it with a "FACT" label regardless of it being opinion. Makes for an entertaining time when different ideologies clash on what sandbox is.
It's almost like watching politicians go at it during election season.
You know what's fun about chaos? I do, but I won't tell.
Originally posted by Quirhid Why would ESO be a sandbox? -The single player Elder Scrolls games aren't.
I swear, there's a different interpretation of what is or isn't a "sandbox" for every single individual on these forums. You aren't railroaded down a plot line, and you can play the game for ever without ever touching the main quest line if you choose. If it's not a sandbox just because it has quests then I think you need to rethink your definition a bit.
It is interesting, isn't it? People claim it's not sandbox if it doesn't have this or that and then go on and on about what a sandbox is in their eyes and tag it with a "FACT" label regardless of it being opinion. Makes for an entertaining time when different ideologies clash on what sandbox is.
It's almost like watching politicians go at it during election season.
I wonder where you found the "FACT" label, as you say it.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been-Wayne Gretzky
Originally posted by Quirhid Why would ESO be a sandbox? -The single player Elder Scrolls games aren't.
I swear, there's a different interpretation of what is or isn't a "sandbox" for every single individual on these forums. You aren't railroaded down a plot line, and you can play the game for ever without ever touching the main quest line if you choose. If it's not a sandbox just because it has quests then I think you need to rethink your definition a bit.
It is interesting, isn't it? People claim it's not sandbox if it doesn't have this or that and then go on and on about what a sandbox is in their eyes and tag it with a "FACT" label regardless of it being opinion. Makes for an entertaining time when different ideologies clash on what sandbox is.
It's almost like watching politicians go at it during election season.
This makes WoW a sandbox (not that there isn't any truth to this). And this makes the only non-sandboxy game in the world Call Of Duty.
"An 'open world' game does not necessarily imply a sandbox. In a true "sandbox", the player has tools to modify the world themselves and create how they play."
Now, I don't see people modifying the world themselves (although again, arguably, the phasing does it, but then so does WoW), and people can chose how they play (but then again, within a very limited frame).
Doesn't make ESO a bad game, but certainly not sandbox-y as far as I can tell.
It is very close to WoW in my experience watching reviews.
Translation:
I haven't played it or spent any time with it whatsoever but I have watched or read all the reviews and believe every word, even from those that contradict each other and I have decided that it's another WoW clone.
Fact:
ESO is a themepark with a number of sandbox elements but nowhere near enough to be called a sandbox. I enjoyed playing it but I don't like WoW, take from that what you wish.
Originally posted by Quirhid Why would ESO be a sandbox? -The single player Elder Scrolls games aren't.
I swear, there's a different interpretation of what is or isn't a "sandbox" for every single individual on these forums. You aren't railroaded down a plot line, and you can play the game for ever without ever touching the main quest line if you choose. If it's not a sandbox just because it has quests then I think you need to rethink your definition a bit.
It is interesting, isn't it? People claim it's not sandbox if it doesn't have this or that and then go on and on about what a sandbox is in their eyes and tag it with a "FACT" label regardless of it being opinion. Makes for an entertaining time when different ideologies clash on what sandbox is.
It's almost like watching politicians go at it during election season.
I wonder where you found the "FACT" label, as you say it.
I'm not pointing to you, I'm just saying there are those that do as such.
Ever since the whole drums of war started to get pounded on, there have been some people that have used opinions as facts. On both sides of the fence.
"This themepark has/doesn't have this so it's actually a/not sandbox" or "This sandbox has/doesn't have this so it's actually a/not themepark"
Ah, got a little ahead of myself, methinks. But yeah.
You know what's fun about chaos? I do, but I won't tell.
Themepark with heavy sandbox elements is the correct answer. There is a huge difference between this game and a tunnel vision themepark like Tera or FFXIV.
Originally posted by Quirhid Why would ESO be a sandbox? -The single player Elder Scrolls games aren't.
I swear, there's a different interpretation of what is or isn't a "sandbox" for every single individual on these forums. You aren't railroaded down a plot line, and you can play the game for ever without ever touching the main quest line if you choose. If it's not a sandbox just because it has quests then I think you need to rethink your definition a bit.
It is interesting, isn't it? People claim it's not sandbox if it doesn't have this or that and then go on and on about what a sandbox is in their eyes and tag it with a "FACT" label regardless of it being opinion. Makes for an entertaining time when different ideologies clash on what sandbox is.
It's almost like watching politicians go at it during election season.
This makes WoW a sandbox (not that there isn't any truth to this). And this makes the only non-sandboxy game in the world Call Of Duty.
"An 'open world' game does not necessarily imply a sandbox. In a true "sandbox", the player has tools to modify the world themselves and create how they play."
Now, I don't see people modifying the world themselves (although again, arguably, the phasing does it, but then so does WoW), and people can chose how they play (but then again, within a very limited frame).
Doesn't make ESO a bad game, but certainly not sandbox-y as far as I can tell.
Ironically enough I was tempted to link that same article. In hindsight, probably should have. Oh well.
/shrug.
You know what's fun about chaos? I do, but I won't tell.
Originally posted by Eighteen16 Themepark with heavy sandbox elements is the correct answer. There is a huge difference between this game and a tunnel vision themepark like Tera or FFXIV.
Originally posted by Eighteen16 Themepark with heavy sandbox elements is the correct answer. There is a huge difference between this game and a tunnel vision themepark like Tera or FFXIV.
What sandbox elements?
The zones are not at all linear, you can do the quests in any order. Other than the few main chains you have to explore the map to find the quests.
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You can't tell yourself whether a game is a Sandbox or Themepark and yet you directly call Themeparks stupid. Do you even know what they mean? If you do, then go check it yourself.
And i am sure that every player as well as the whole Dev team is dying to know whether you will be playing the game or not.
The game is more a themepark than sandbox if that helps you at all. That said, is has sandbox elements to it up to a point. However, if you're looking for a straight up go anywhere, do anything, at any point type of game ESO will disappoint you. As another game called itself a 'sandpark', ESO would probably fit that bill. A themepark with some sandbox elements.
Lol. Post of the night.
OP there have been enough reviews released that I think we can safely say that the PvE will be another no risk or reward themepark. I'm still not sure about the PvP part of the game, but i'm guessing it will be more GW2 WvW than Darkfall.
It's a game I'm going to have fun playing.
And that's all I personally care about.
You know what's fun about chaos? I do, but I won't tell.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky
I swear, there's a different interpretation of what is or isn't a "sandbox" for every single individual on these forums. You aren't railroaded down a plot line, and you can play the game for ever without ever touching the main quest line if you choose. If it's not a sandbox just because it has quests then I think you need to rethink your definition a bit.
You can play just about any MMORPG without touching "the main quest line". That doesn't make a game sandbox. Neither does open world.
If you want to see a good example of a sandbox RPG, you should check out Mount & Blade.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky
Darkfall was hardly all that sandbox either, they just didn't put bugger all quests or PvE content in the game, everything from building to skills was set out for you. You are never going to get a good sandbox mmorg because 80% of the people playing need some sort of direction.
The short and dirty anwser is: It is a themepark.
It is very close to WoW in my experience watching reviews. You move around, do quests, get more quests, you need quests and mob slaughtering to progress. No other way to progress.
Sure, you could stand in town and do /emotes. If that makes it a sandbox, it is a sandbox!
MMOs finally replaced social interaction, forced grouping and standing in a line while talking to eachother.
Now we have forced soloing, forced questing and everyone is the hero, without ever having to talk to anyone else. The evolution of multiplayer is here! We won,... right?
It is interesting, isn't it? People claim it's not sandbox if it doesn't have this or that and then go on and on about what a sandbox is in their eyes and tag it with a "FACT" label regardless of it being opinion. Makes for an entertaining time when different ideologies clash on what sandbox is.
It's almost like watching politicians go at it during election season.
You know what's fun about chaos? I do, but I won't tell.
Does it give the same freedom of Skyrim? No.
As for sandbox. The definition for this seems to be highly subjective.
I wonder where you found the "FACT" label, as you say it.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky
This makes WoW a sandbox (not that there isn't any truth to this). And this makes the only non-sandboxy game in the world Call Of Duty.
Now here is another definition (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_world):
"An 'open world' game does not necessarily imply a sandbox. In a true "sandbox", the player has tools to modify the world themselves and create how they play."
Now, I don't see people modifying the world themselves (although again, arguably, the phasing does it, but then so does WoW), and people can chose how they play (but then again, within a very limited frame).
Doesn't make ESO a bad game, but certainly not sandbox-y as far as I can tell.
Translation:
I haven't played it or spent any time with it whatsoever but I have watched or read all the reviews and believe every word, even from those that contradict each other and I have decided that it's another WoW clone.
Fact:
ESO is a themepark with a number of sandbox elements but nowhere near enough to be called a sandbox. I enjoyed playing it but I don't like WoW, take from that what you wish.
I'm not pointing to you, I'm just saying there are those that do as such.
Ever since the whole drums of war started to get pounded on, there have been some people that have used opinions as facts. On both sides of the fence.
"This themepark has/doesn't have this so it's actually a/not sandbox" or "This sandbox has/doesn't have this so it's actually a/not themepark"
Ah, got a little ahead of myself, methinks. But yeah.
You know what's fun about chaos? I do, but I won't tell.
Ironically enough I was tempted to link that same article. In hindsight, probably should have. Oh well.
/shrug.
You know what's fun about chaos? I do, but I won't tell.
What sandbox elements?
Is Life sandbox or themepark, i need to decide fast!!!
If themepark i will be dissapointed, but i have to quest whole day at work, i already think its a themepark://
its no sandbox at all. now stay away.
The zones are not at all linear, you can do the quests in any order. Other than the few main chains you have to explore the map to find the quests.