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Archeage not worth it( due to community )
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http://archeagesource.com/topic/2755-advantages-of-premium take this little gem as an example and such words of wisdom as "Free to play = free to try" backed up with insults.
My advice steer clear of that forum and the game as well because most of those specimens will be migrating to the international servers Trion will put up sometime before the Apocalypse and even if it somehow survives as a sandpark despite the ministrations of XL the shit just ain't worth it, not when new guys get treated like that and asses are fully lubed and ready to take it like a champ cause F2P = trial hur hur.
PS: Just for amusement sake: If you look further around the source forum you will find threads with people claiming XP pots or LP pots are P2W yet somehow slicing an entire chunk of the game and making sub only isn't (this isn't cosmetics, races, etc, it is a feature put behind a paywall).
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Interesting considering AAsource has done nothing but answer questions for those trying RU non-stop ever since beta started. Most have no where to ask their questions but most help as much as they can. Watch the shoutbox, non stop questions and you know what?! [mod edit]
This.
I would hold the Japanese AA community up against any themepark community there has been in the last 14 years.
Hell, I passed on pre-order sale information for TESO for someone here, ended it with asking others to post anything they find for those interested (which I am NOT one of them) and got one response with someone bitching about too much text with the info.
Perhaps I should hold that up as an example of what the TESO community is like right?
"People who tell you youre awesome are useless. No, dangerous.
They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster
http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/
And the moderator joining in and not reigning in the abuse to a tolerable level somehow seems ok to you? I am not bitching, I am pointing out a very toxic community that tolerates and even encourages abuse of new players (the guy was supposed to talk on the shoutbox and not the forum? then what is the forum for? troll e-peen-offs?)
AA is a sandpark, you have rendered your opinion moot by the simple fact you do not even know what game you are playing.
I watched most of that unfold and hesitated to comment as after several people answered your question, you made it clear that you just wanted to complain about the entirety of the game not being F2P for you. You might take a step back and realize that while there are many F2P games on the market, not all of them are going to be.
Someone has to pay for these things and if you think you're going to show up, new to a community and start trying to tell them how things should be, well, I don't need to tell you.
I think you got slapped around enough.
Nope, I am NoirWolf
. And paying for a F2P game is done via quality of life items not paying to access the full game, SWtOR is not that bad in comparison, get it?
Edit: Look at Path of Exile for an idea then add in XP pots and other means of bypassing grind without granting power and without cutting off features.
Sorry, I didn't see that one. The site has kind of been troll ridden today.
It looks though, that you got slapped around in there too. That's rough...
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First XP pots are not equal to LP pots, LP pots gives you Labor Points which are like a currency in AA. Are buying currency with RL money doesn't sound to you like a P2W? [mod edit]
I guess this sums it up.
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Here mods do not partake in bashing others and generally only intervene, of their own accord, when shit really gets nasty otherwise they react to reports and then only if warranted.
I am not defending what goes on around here but for however toxic the community appears I've yet to see moderators replying sarcastically to anyone regardless what their stance may be on that person's personal opinion (do note I am not omnipresent on here so I may have missed such instances if they exist).
Does buying cash that allows you to partake in different lotteries, not the same one, sound like P2W to you you examplar of why IQ and EQ testing should be mandatory for people who are PR officers? Cause if it does it explains this quote by you:
"I want a Ferrari for free, but none wants to gift one to me
Ohh well i go and beg for a Porche then... still none wants to gift one for free
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Given amongst the first bloody answers in a thread asking for clarification on stripped features in a wrongly labeled MMO (pay to access features => freemium not F2P).
You want to talk about ego now Lord Sarcasm?
Edit: Btw just to the attention seeker slight: Nope, I just know how pointless it is to fight trolls when they have the power to outright ban you and considering the toxicity I saw in that thread I would say most wouldn't even care if you did ( christ at least RelicNews mods had to dig up reasons to do it ).
The community is same as any other game.
The problem is the game itself, the combat is as generic as can be with most skills lacking that "impact-oomph" feeling, the quests are the same old hub to hub kill this pickup that type, 90% of he world zones seem lifeless and empty, they give of that cheap mmo feeling and become very unpleasant to the eye after a small period of time, most of the armor pieces are very dull, while the new class system does really seem something new at first, with a possible combo of over 100 different skills tree combinations and god knows how many actual skills, there is a pre-determined way of choosing everything, because some skills from one tree chain off with a particular second or even third tree, i mean who would skip out on a 50% increased damage or an insta-cast instead of 3 second channeling, a bonus dot or a stun effect. So no matter how hard you try to "invent something new" the most generic combinations will always excel in everything so you will be simply forced to use them in order to stand your ground longer.
Haven't touched building or farming or any of that stuff, but if its the thing that made the game all its hype, you'd be better off just playing minecraft or something like that, it's simply not worth your time in dealing with the same enchilada like the past 5-10 years.
ArcheAge is played for it's sandbox features (and it's not just farming) which apparently you haven't encountered yet, not for it's exemplar and innovative MMORPG combat/leveling system (which is generic, yes).
About the world: I don't find it empty and dull at all. Cities and areas are downright gorgeous, ocean looks fantastic and the world is full of people and other stuff.
About the armor pieces: I'm actually super glad AA didn't go the usual overly ridiculous weapon/armor size of the typical AZN mmo but went for a slightly more realistic approach to armors (I guess kind of like Conan)
Your review is by far one of the most fair i've red, even if i disagree with it.
One thing to note though, the quest are a mean to something. If you play AA as a temepark you won't find anything new or exciting. As you said in the last few lines you haven't touched building or farming; i suppose you haven't touched trading either. These are the main fetures of the game, and i strongly suggest you to try them then post another review.
Archeagesrouce community imho, became a bit bitter from the long wait for Trions Archeage.
Things will calm down and turn for better once Trion lanuches Beta client for ArcheAge .
They shot past bitter and now are at the "we do not care how you screw us over just give us the game already!" phase... as evidenced by one of the moderators siding with the side that is basically saying that. The AA source community has issues but it can still be saved... however if Llex's answer to this thread is anything to go by some major changes need to be done for that to happen.
To those that will point out they, or others, got help on that forum: Yes, it still has its good parts too but rot tends to spread quickly if not combated directly and moderators joining in on trolling someone with a legitimate question is a clear indication that something is terribly wrong with that group.
Yeah I noticed that as well. As if TRION had direct control over which regions were going to be released first. Regardless of what was said in the meetings between TRION and XLGames, XL would have the last say on the order of Archeage’s release. Some have even said comments such as "well since Archeage is never coming to the west then etc." Insults, drama, etc. over some South Korean game being released (eventually it will be). First World Problems…
Personally I think lot of the animosity is towards those people who come into the site and say it has got to be free to play.
Those who have played the game through to endgame in Korea and Japan are very much aware of the problems that arise when anybody can make 10, 20 or 50 alt accounts and use them to gain an advantage in the game - gold sellers do this all the time.
AA is a very fragile balance between PVE, PVP and crafting and all can be destroyed if not done right (see Korea). Many AAsource members have experienced this and naturally - out of love for the game - get upset when people who have never played the game come into the website and claim to know everything.
After the umpteenth time of trying to explain that this game is different from your run of the mill WOW, people get kinda frustrated (on both sides).
This is of course in addition to the continuing battle between the philosophies of FTP and P2P. Most folks on AASource generally prefer P2P (and from what I have seen here on this site also).
Just take it all with a pinch of salt. We will see what Trion does (latest rumour says it will be P2P), then we can start the flames - or not.
You can please some MMO-players all of the time and you can please all MMO-players some of the time but you can't please all MMO-players all of the time.
You have hit the nail on the head. A lot of people are not aware of how much deeper the game is or the what the consequences would be for allowing them to be abused. And then there is always that small segment that thinks they're going to swoop in and tell everyone how things should be done. The OP found out quickly that most of AAS were not going to respond positively to his "Captain Save A Ho" attitude and he got burnt for it. He does appear to be back this morning though. I hope he has better luck today.