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Irony is strong with this one.
Number of players is irrelevant to determining success. I'm pretty sure Everquest 1 is still a success. It's 15 years in and still profitable from what I understand. Everquest 2 definitely is if its development costs were around the rumored $25 million. It really depends on what the development costs were.
Its based off of people thinking their opinion is the way the truth and life of mmos.
I don't worry about what others think about gaming world tbh if I did I probably wouldn't even play much of anything. Seems to be a community that likes to over hype certain genres or really harsh rating system each person has. Some people care about numbers, some care more about graphics, some about endgame, some about unless supply of content. If any of you know the amount of effort it is to make a video game which, swtor spent millions on to make a star wars game worth the star wars title, knows it took so many hours/years/decades to come put with the design elements. But someone who wants to declare something a failed in less then a second - what a joke.
There is way worse mmos out there in my judgment but I don't go out and say they have failed. All mmos/games with poor performances have ways to improve it. Since launch of swtor they add tons of items/content for the players to do and continue to do it. That brings up f2p or p2p, doesn't matter what subscription model a company chooses to use one isn't greater then the other but, how I feel about f2p is the store is a wonderful idea - brings so much more content then a normal subscription base. Most those items wouldn't even seen the light of day unless a store was even around.
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1.) This is an absolute fact. Revenue is an irrelevant number in isolation across the board in every business. Period.
2.) This is an absolute fact. Profit is an irrelevant number in isolation across the board in every business. Period.
3.) It is a FTP game. It doesn't matter how many people are playing. It matters how much they it costs for them to play and how much they are spending.
4/5.) Yes, I agree that it's very important to keep people playing and to continue the existence of the game. The fact that they are adding content is irrelevant.
6.) Examples.
7.) Where did I use the number of subscriptions as an indicator of failure? I used it for falling revenue.
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Do you know what RoI and opporunity costs are?
SWTOR was headed down the path of failure in the beginning. They adjusted and rectified the situation to make the game profitable. So in that aspect no it is not a failure.
Their original business model can be considered a failure, but the game as a whole I believe can not.
Now it is a whole other ballgame as to how the investors at EA actually perceive the game. One thing you have to consider in investors eyes is Rate of Return, I personally do not know the actual amount EA/Bioware spent on the game. What ever it is we can agree it was a LARGE sum based off of what has been floated around. Investors will look at that rate of return and if is not substantial enough for the money invested it could be perceived in their eyes as a failure. Especially if they could have invested the money elsewhere and garnered a higher ROR.
At this point the game seems to be turning a profit and EA will milk it for all it's worth and good for them.. they laid out a lot of capital on this game.
I always want to see games to well, and harbor no ill will towards any game or game company. The better they do the better for the industry were I get most of my entertainment.
Based off the comments in here .. that seem to not understand these concepts.
It's going to be interesting seeing how ESO and Wildstar do, it's entirely possible that the market has changed to the point where the sub only model itself is simply not sustainable in the long term for any new game, regardless of quality.
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After the bi weekly maintenance today i entered the game and everything was fine for an hour, then started the heavy latency. so 1st i closed game, reset my connection, changed dns and then flush dns. now enter the game and the lag was still there. now i did tracert and i found out as soon as i reach this address below my latency went sky high :
EA-INC.edge3.Washington1.Level3.net
Guess whose server is it?
Do a maintenance and create lag, do a patch and break class story mission or some unrelated mission that was not meant to be effected by patch or turn an entire quest zone into exhaustion zone or make priority terminals on fleet/daily areas broken and add more bug that did not even exist before the patch. is there any other mmorpg in market that achieve this feat?
now you tell me why this game is considered a failure. why did i go ahead, bought and applied three 60 day time cards i wonder!! performance graph is going downhill day by day.
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I agree it will be interesting.
I hope they both have tremendous success, as I am a big believer in the sub model. However my time in MMO's maybe over, because I can handle one or both models what I can't stand and refuse to play is a sub/f2p model that has content (any type) gated behind the cash shop for the subs.
So in other words you have no information to actually show anything about the game's financials other than the revenue numbers, just like everyone else. You want to cast doubt on whether or not the game is profitable, but you have nothing to do it with. You've also missed out on the revenue from subscriptions. The $139M was just the cash shop.
Very few successful people would make business decisions with so little information. They certainly wouldn't make judgements on a product's profitability based on only the revenue.
Luckily we have EA telling investors the game is profitable so there's that.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Inb4 EA is lying to shareholders and is secretly running the game at a loss just to.... i have no idea what the hater's point is anymore.
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I've been fortunate in that no game I've played has that problem. I can't consider TOR to be in that situation, since everything available from the cash shop can be sold in the GTN, and there is basically nothing in the game that credits are useful for other than buying things that originated on the cash shop. (Add to that that all that is in the TOR cash shop for subscribers is frivolous cosmetic fluff.)
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Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.
It is only considered a failure by those who wish it were a failure or who believe that the only successful mmo was WoW.
People like to talk crap.
As I have said many times before. I only hope to fail this hard at making a game someday.
All die, so die well.
if you've played ESO then you can see how that is going to go. Its too big of an IP so its hyped up. People are expecting Skyrim with multiplayer and it is not that..... well its got skyrims bugs but thats it.
Wildstar might be able to sneak in under the radar and pull a EVE.
But the bottom line to any MMOs success is how fast new content and bug fixes can get out.
We have reasonable estimates of the cost of the game. We have the games development timeframe. I did not miss out on revenue from subscriptions.
Please point out where I said that SWTOR was not profitable.
I actually did very well in my MBA program which was at a top tier school, so another error on your part. No, the number one goal of a business is not to make a profit. Making money is not the same as making a profit. You can make a profit and go into bankruptcy. After tax cash flow is a much better to use here.
I have no grudge against SWTOR.
Well... now you are just plain wrong.
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Let's just get straight to the point, shall we - the gameplay sucks. It's a WoW-ish button masher with enemy AI that's noticeably worse than WoW.
The AI is so bad that the NPCs don't move much - not even when their 'friend' is getting shot at a few meters away.
The gameplay is linear and practically on rails - I don't think there are any true decisions to make throughout the entire game.
Forget world PvP - the empire and the rebels are divided by walls caused by deliberate placement of scenery.
Keep the hell away - don't part with either your time or your money.
I'm very curious to see how they do. The ESO budget is up there with SWTOR's budget. I haven't seen anything on Wildstar.
Never underestimate what people will pay for frivolous cosmetic fluff. I think that the hybrid model that SWTOR and many other games have employed is what we're going to see more and more of going forward. You've got to have a cash shop. Some players will just put down way too much money in them. I've seen forum posts with people talking about spending upwards of $2000 on them. That's more than what it would have cost to subscribe to WoW since its release and purchase every single expansion.
The quotes in your post hurt my eyeballs.
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Ok, you don't like the game. Other's do. Opinions are not what is being discussed here.
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No, you're wrong. /eyeroll
Making money is absolutely not the same as making a profit and you can go into bankruptcy while making a profit. Do you not understand what these words mean?
prof·it
noun: profit; plural noun: profits
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It all depends if you are talking about Gross Profit or Net Profit.