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It is not a failure
It does have alot of muppet followers spreading things they have no clue about though.
Players that have not seen the game for 2 years and still think they know what they are talking about
Somebody doesn't understand business. That's actually EXACTLY what successful businesses do. You launch your product, make adjustments until you find your groove whether that is in the product and/or staff. If you don't adapt, you die as a company. SWTOR is a successful business venture because they continued to adapt their product until it became self sustaining and profitable. Failures drive themselves into the ground because they refuse to adapt, or adapt in a way that creates a backlash and fewer paying customers. With SWTOR's profitability, they've clearly done something right here.
For those saying it's a failure because it didn't supposedly live up to it's original vision, since when does this mean anything is a failure? Even the guy who invented post-it notes was trying to make a permanent glue, but accidentally invented a glue that doesn't permanently stick to anything. In other words - sometimes original plans don't work out (in fact, they usually don't) but the success of a venture, game or whatever is dependent upon making adjustments, which SWTOR clearly has which makes it a success at this point.
ESO devs mentioned how they only used the hero engine as a skeleton for their mmo design while they developed their own mmo engine in house. They made it seem that they did not bother to modify the skeleton version fo their game eso using the hero engine and had a new complete egnine of their own. Unlike swtor which took the hero engine and just modified it.
Thats the last I heard, and I'm sure thats what happened on ESO's end.
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How about this, who flippin cares if a game a success or failure. I think I like XXX game however, it does not have 1 million subs and sold 3 million boxes, therefor I can not play the game.
Game XXX is the next WoW killer, I cant wait for it to eclipse WoW's sub base.
What does any of this have to do with liking or playing a game? Is this a mine is bigger for geeks?
Page after page, game after game, ad infinitum or ad naseum really.
Let's wind the clock back a few years, rate games as objectively as possible and move the heck on...
Oh Lookie Lookie... yet another SWTOR is a failure thread with pointless debates on its not SWG2, hero Engine, voice acting costs, didn't kill Wow, Financial numbers nobody on this site has access to... and on , and on ,and on... Complete garbage.
Any game is a failure or success based on an individuals perspective only. Its a success for me because it's kept me playing and GASP.... I enjoy playing it!
All my opinions are just that..opinions. If you like my opinions..coolness.If you dont like my opinion....I really dont care.
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Losing such a huge percentage of their player base 2 months after launch? I don't think that's considered a success.
The fact that the number of active realms went to less than 10 percent of it's original number tells me the game did not meet either the player's or EA / BW's expectations.
Which is exactly why this thread is pointless to you. But there are other posters who bought the game and felt cheated by EA. Some examples were specifically surrounding the UI / paywall issue when they'd already bought the box (game client). Agree or disagree, to them, it may not be pointless.
There is no Paywall if you Sub. Games are not made out of generosity. UI is completely moddable for a sub. Free players are able to experience every class story for free. I think that is more than enough game for someone not spending a dime on it.
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Hey! Stop that! SWTOR is a failure because forums say so! $200 Mil a year is so fail! 3rd biggest MMO in the west is only second biggest failure, duh!
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1. But one game will always be the most expensive, even though this one cost heck of a lot.
2. This is not true. It has single-content, it has co-op and it have raids, hence a MMO imo. Many games have this model.
3. To some extent.
Well said! for several years now games have been losing subs within 2 months. I guess they are all failures also! LOL
All my opinions are just that..opinions. If you like my opinions..coolness.If you dont like my opinion....I really dont care.
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Freeloaders always cry, cause they always want more and more...for free...
To the OP, it was a failure of lofty expectations. The gaming community wanted alot of things out of SWTOR, and it failed to deliver in many peoples eyes. At the start, EA had not completely subverted the BioWare name, so there was hope that a competent developer had taken one of the most beloved IPs, and created a persistent world to enjoy. What we got was a business school case on how to blow through a 9 figure budget, with the sum of all short cuts in development making the game less than the sum of it's parts.
They outsourced the engine development, which led to poor multiplayer gameplay, in a multiplayer game.
Very good graphics, with poor art design.
Community separated across a hundred loading screens because of the fleet to ship to planet travel system.
In most long standing MMOs, the content seems to get better over time. With SWTOR, it feels worse because the personal stories presented a fully voice acted story arc across the first 50 levels. Nothing added since comes close to that production value.
The game is successful in the F2P model without a doubt. It just was not the game many of us wanted in it's first incarnation, or the many changes since.
Its really only considered a failure by the folks around here who don't enjoy it and feel the need for the game they're currently playing to be the "best". Conversely, once they have stopped playing a game... It is a failure. Don't worry, its not real life lol
The "gaming community" lawl. So I suppose the people currently playing the game are not envloved in this "gaming community"?I would sincerely like to know who these people are who make up this fictitious collective known as the gaming community. As far as I can tell those of us who play this game who actually have a hands on experience and yes spend money on subscriptions and log in daily to see others also similarly logged on have no trouble believing this game is a success.
OP will take the word of people who have no idea at all I mean zero ,nil,zilch,nought because they do not play the game as to the current population or how busy this game really is over those of us who do play and subscribe. The game has been showing a profit and is making money over f2p and subscription and EA seems satisfied enough that they are planning more content. If this game is indeed losing them money would they have not realized that yet ? Is EA really pouring more money into a game that is not making any ? Are some of you delusional or your hatred so deep it defies logic ?
Even though it's uncited, I can agree that anyone saying they're going to knock off WoW is foolish. It's never going to happen. There is a solid WoW playerbase who is loyal to a fault, so to believe that you can simply convert that to your game is ridiculous.
That said, 2 million sales at launch isn't bad, it's good. VGChartz shows like 3 million sames to date, but that only accounts for retail copies, so anyone purchasing through digital wouldn't show up here. I can't believe you'd say that 2 million copies at launch isn't good. This is a niche genre, it's not COD or GTA.
Again, uncited source for layoffs, but this is the lifecycle for games, bro. You've basically got 1000 employees all working to churn out a game for a given time. You ramp up, ramp up, ramp up some more because the only thing that's going to help you hit your target date is throwing more people at it. Then, once you're done and your game ships, everyone has a big cheer and some people go on to another game, but for massive projects like this, there ususally isn't enough work, internally, to satisfy that number of employees, so they're usually laid off. Same thing happens at Blizz.
Yet another uncited source for servers, but there definitely was a server merge early on with this game. It wasn't because of a lack of players, though, it was because of an overabundance of servers. At launch you would expect massive wait times, but with SWTOR, even from the beginning, it was almost barren. It's kind of the polar opposite problem from most launches which have massive queue times. This could have come from being overly confident, but if you're easily handling 2 million users, you're going to be merging servers very soon. BTW, ESO has one mega server, so arguments over servers == fail.
EA Loss stats are complete BS because the Chief Accounting Officer for EA specifically states here that the game remained consistent with their assumptions when they purchased Bioware. That was back in 2008! So they expected this. Also, it should be noted that SWTOR revenues nad profits have, since, increased year-over-year. Also, they are still producing content and adding new features. Not signs of a property that is dying.
I think that you probably need to do some fact checking before your doom and gloom.
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When people say "Failure" here on these forums, mostly what they mean is that a AAA company didn't spend millions of dollars to write a game for a target audience that includes them. You can replace, "That game is a failure" with "I am not that game's target audience" in most cases to get a much truer idea of what's going on.
Using objective measures, such as number of players, revenue generation, etc. SWToR is a successful game. Using subjective measures, every single game listed in the game list is a failure because some target audience wasn't the target audience for the game in question.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
The current state of SWTOR is that it's less than 1/10th the intended projected size only 2 years later.
So yeah, they spend hundreds of millions on a game that is meant to compete in every way with WoW and they had to shrink it to the point it could be profitable. So we went from how many servers to how many servers in how little time? So if that is the "Speed" I need to catch up to....yeah, it's pretty fast.
I wonder what EA did with all that hardware needed to support 140 realms now that they only need 10?
BTW, If I had bought the box, that pays for the game client including the UI. The subscription pays for access to the servers. going F2P shouldn't cheat those how paid for the box. EA does. Someone who bought the client at launch had that taken away from them.
The game is still a stong profit. Not sure what your point is here....
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Didn't meet estimations doesn't necessarily equal failure. Though I think all developers should have known that they can't out wow wow.
How strong? What is their profit?
What is the problem with you twits. It was intended to compete with WoW rubbish no game has managed to actually compete with WoW. So every game since WoW has failed if that is the definition. Just because it did not compete with WoW does not equal not successful.
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