Yep. If you tried booting by using a cd, avoiding the OS, then you can probably rule out software. That means it can only be hardware or connections, meaning your CPU, memory(which you've swapped, so highly unlikely), the board, or the OS drive.
About all you can do now is swap another hard drive and try to install an OS on it. If it shuts down again, then you know it's not the drive.
It could potentially be any number of things and since its a Gateway oem... Just based on what you have noted and tried one of my first concerns would be corrupted data. Flash / reinstall the bios and reformat the HD drive and give it another go. Next would be looking t the CPU and MOBO in which case, you've good excuse to toss it and budget a self build.
this is clearly a guess because I probably know nothing about computers compared to the plethora of hardware guru's that frequent this site, but I would take a moment to look at the capacitors on the motherboard an take note of how many of them have swollen tops. I'm not familiar with the board, but I would look for them around the PCI-E port, and around the CPU heatsink or along the central edge of the motherboard.
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Last guess, check that little battery on the motherboard. You wouldn't think that would cause any weird issues, but I've had weird stuff happen if the battery was bad.
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computer is at minimal . can't boot safe mode or anything. will stay in bios all day. have removed vid card only on board video. computer is not overheating. have replaced power supply, using new sata cables. damn thing justs turns off everytime it tries to boot windows in any form. it's an AMD dual core. I'm gonna remove brackets in case and try to look for a short in power switch. I build computers and kinda know what i'm doing but this time im stumped. always simply goes off shuts down doesnt restart on it's own unless i hit the power button again. shuts off at the same time as soon as it tries to load windows. And NO installing the new windows 7 was a bitch cause it shut down several times during the installation. had to reenter cd key many times because it would shut down.
Does it have more than the stock 2GB of ram? 2GB is the minimum for the 64bit OS, and your on board video is going to use some.
You tried installing Windows 8. Before that did Windows Vista work OK?
Between installs did you format or repartition the hard drive, or just try to install the new OS?
Booting to a Ubuntu CD or Flash Drive would allow you to check and see if this is a Windows thing, or a system thing.
My guess, based on all this is that it's either the mobo or your system is running out of memory trying to load Win 8/Win 7.
4gb ram
was running 32 bit win 8 when the prob started.. stock os
new formatted HD added. was a bitch installing win 7 with the system turning itself off every time it had to load windows, ended up re-entering cd key like 6-7 times
Originally posted by eyelolled this is clearly a guess because I probably know nothing about computers compared to the plethora of hardware guru's that frequent this site, but I would take a moment to look at the capacitors on the motherboard an take note of how many of them have swollen tops. I'm not familiar with the board, but I would look for them around the PCI-E port, and around the CPU heatsink or along the central edge of the motherboard.
Excellent guess and yes there are about 7 or so caps bulging slightly, prob the mobo and cpu replacement would do the trick just hate to drop down the cash and still get the same weird shutdown feature... will remove the battery next as i have not done that yet.
Originally posted by eyelolledthis is clearly a guess because I probably know nothing about computers compared to the plethora of hardware guru's that frequent this site, but I would take a moment to look at the capacitors on the motherboard an take note of how many of them have swollen tops. I'm not familiar with the board, but I would look for them around the PCI-E port, and around the CPU heatsink or along the central edge of the motherboard.
Excellent guess and yes there are about 7 or so caps bulging slightly, prob the mobo and cpu replacement would do the trick just hate to drop down the cash and still get the same weird shutdown feature... will remove the battery next as i have not done that yet.
Are you sure your ram is not defective? I had run into a problem like this recently and it was the ram module causing shutdowns. I did memtest and everything on the stick but just replacing it with a new solved all the problems.
The only other time where i have seen windows fail like that is when the cpu/fsb/timings Are "wrong" because of overclocking.
I really don't think its your motherboard. Motherboards usually restart at random intervals if defective not a specific states like windows loading. I mean you managed to install windows fine apart from when it actually has to load right?
Removing the battery only resets the bios like you should have done already...
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After shuttting numerous times it finally booted went to desktop and shutdown while trying to set resolution ... I do not overclock just for the record!
Gonna try to get it to the desktop again and just let it sit there and see what happens. prob gonna have to hit the power button a million times again before I get lucky again from what im seeing right now.... 26 times and still counting........
Ya know, I can hit F2 or F10 or simply let it sit on "Windows Error Recovery" screens all night and it will never shut off. Only shuts off when starting windows.... so freaking weird, it just seems to me if it is an overheating or pwr issue it would shut off eventually no matter what screen it's on but nooooo. only when trying to start windows or on desktop on the extremly rare times I can actually GET to the desktop!
2.) Unplug the pc, Unplug all non essential I/O drives like FDD, Unplug all your hard-disk drives, ETC, Remove the Bio's Battery, wait about 1 minute, put the battery back in, plug the pc back in, and try turning it on with just CPU,RAM, GPU, and see if the computer stays on for 2-3 minutes.
If it does then turn off the computer unplug it, plug your hard disk's back in and check from there perhaps its software you programmed you might have really messed something on on the hard disk, its rare but some Hard-Drives fail out of the box especially Sea-Gates stay away from them.
If its booting at windows screen, then to me it seems like something with the hard-disk drive possibly something with the mother-board SATA connector try only one hard-drive with OS installed, if it does this try a complete wipe of the Hard Disk Drive flush it with a bunch of 000000000000000000000000000000's as the data hard format, then install OS.
Of course if you got yourself a BIOS virus then well its more complicated.
3.) Also a PC turning off randomly or failing to turn on is a sign of a ruined Voltage Regulator I would check the entire board with your eyes including all chips.
Always check the memory it can be broken and it wont boot up the pc. So remove 1 stick and boot it up and if it doesnt remove the other one and put the 1st one back (if you have dual mem sticks) I had it one time and it took me hours to find otu wth was wrong untill i switched the memory sticks and 1 was broken.
2.) Unplug the pc, Unplug all non essential I/O drives like FDD, Unplug all your hard-disk drives, ETC, Remove the Bio's Battery, wait about 1 minute, put the battery back in, plug the pc back in, and try turning it on with just CPU,RAM, GPU, and see if the computer stays on for 2-3 minutes.
If it does then turn off the computer unplug it, plug your hard disk's back in and check from there perhaps its software you programmed you might have really messed something on on the hard disk, its rare but some Hard-Drives fail out of the box especially Sea-Gates stay away from them.
If its booting at windows screen, then to me it seems like something with the hard-disk drive possibly something with the mother-board SATA connector try only one hard-drive with OS installed, if it does this try a complete wipe of the Hard Disk Drive flush it with a bunch of 000000000000000000000000000000's as the data hard format, then install OS.
Of course if you got yourself a BIOS virus then well its more complicated.
3.) Also a PC turning off randomly or failing to turn on is a sign of a ruined Voltage Regulator I would check the entire board with your eyes including all chips.
a bad voltage regulator would either fry the CPU, short out the motherboard, or be ineffective.
in the case of a VRM being taken out of the loop the power cycle would be less stable. Try underclocking and undervolting the chip as low as possible in the bios and see if it will stay stable. losing 1 VRM should still allow the board to boot. lowering the CPU frequency will allow greater tolerances in the voltage, and should help prevent thermal shutdown if that is the problem.
All computers I have ever worked on have some kind of bios hardware diagnostic check. It could be ram, mother board, cpu or HD.
The first thing I would have said would be OS, so please clearly state; did you reformat the hard-drive and reinstall the OS? Have you booted the computer from another source, eg live CD, 'ultimate boot cd' or try a second hard drive?
All computers I have ever worked on have some kind of bios hardware diagnostic check. It could be ram, mother board, cpu or HD.
The first thing I would have said would be OS, so please clearly state; did you reformat the hard-drive and reinstall the OS? Have you booted the computer from another source, eg live CD, 'ultimate boot cd' or try a second hard drive?
His comp shuts down as in power off. Nothing in the windows boot up sequence causes immediate shut down.
He said he managed to install Windows through several shut downs.
A bios that old does not have hardware diagnostics.
Originally posted by eyelolled this is clearly a guess because I probably know nothing about computers compared to the plethora of hardware guru's that frequent this site, but I would take a moment to look at the capacitors on the motherboard an take note of how many of them have swollen tops. I'm not familiar with the board, but I would look for them around the PCI-E port, and around the CPU heatsink or along the central edge of the motherboard.
Excellent guess and yes there are about 7 or so caps bulging slightly, prob the mobo and cpu replacement would do the trick just hate to drop down the cash and still get the same weird shutdown feature... will remove the battery next as i have not done that yet.
If they are cheap capacitors they dry out over several years and eventually fail.
Just to be clear, you did delete partions and reformatted hard drive, if you didn't there are several boot sector virus's that are quite pesky and do a complete shut down.
Plus have you done a scan of the hard drive for errors, once windows start up switchs over from boot sector to the rest of the hard drive, it hits a bad sector and dump.
you changed so much if after the above, it crashs after windows start screen I would be looking at the hard drive, for the MOBO to manifest the same result every time it gets to windows start screen is unlikely even if it is old, and video card initialization has already occurred, so for me hard drive fault/virus.
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Not necessarily for the same reasons, but I agree. :-)
Time to buy something new. You've replaced pretty much everything except the cpu and motherboard and are still getting the exact same result. If you can rule out a boot sector virus from the bootleg Windows 8, I'd say it's time to upgrade.
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If you can download a bootable Ubuntu image and boot from the CD-Rom, you could see if the system does that shutdown without Windows. You could run it on the minimum possible amount of ram, etc. If it runs and you can do an install, and then boot into Ubuntu, then it was that bootleg Windows 8. If it doesn't, then I would say upgrade is your best chance.
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Just to be clear, you did delete partions and reformatted hard drive, if you didn't there are several boot sector virus's that are quite pesky and do a complete shut down.
He reinstalled Windows, first thing that happens is it rewrites the MBR. Second thing it does is periodic checkpoints to preserve the installation progress.
Plus have you done a scan of the hard drive for errors, once windows start up switchs over from boot sector to the rest of the hard drive, it hits a bad sector and dump.
His comp dosen't stay on long enough for that.
you changed so much if after the above, it crashs after windows start screen I would be looking at the hard drive, for the MOBO to manifest the same result every time it gets to windows start screen is unlikely even if it is old, and video card initialization has already occurred, so for me hard drive fault/virus.
How can he have a virus on a new windows install. Boot sector viruses dont even survive that.
Hard drives fail in 1 of 5 ways.
Motor failure. Drive does not spin up. Drive still recognizable to bios.
Spindle failure. Platter wont turn. Similar symptoms to motor failure.
Head/Actuator failure: Drive looses position feedback.
Magnetic failure: Errors preclude this failure. it would have been obvious before long.
ok can someone suggest a decent motherboard and cpu combo for this dead horse? Preferably under 200 dollars? My case is retarded one that is riveted together(no removable back panel) it's a one piece only front side panel is removable...
Originally posted by Wrender ok can someone suggest a decent motherboard and cpu combo for this dead horse? Preferably under 200 dollars? My case is retarded one that is riveted together(no removable back panel) it's a one piece only front side panel is removable...
Here is a CPU, Mobo, Case and RAM for $212 before $20 mail in rebates.
Not the best but will work and beat the shit out of what you had for less than $200 after rebates. I dont know what other hardware you have so this is just a suggestion and should be taken as that.
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Last guess, check that little battery on the motherboard. You wouldn't think that would cause any weird issues, but I've had weird stuff happen if the battery was bad.
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4gb ram
was running 32 bit win 8 when the prob started.. stock os
new formatted HD added. was a bitch installing win 7 with the system turning itself off every time it had to load windows, ended up re-entering cd key like 6-7 times
Excellent guess and yes there are about 7 or so caps bulging slightly, prob the mobo and cpu replacement would do the trick just hate to drop down the cash and still get the same weird shutdown feature... will remove the battery next as i have not done that yet.
Are you sure your ram is not defective? I had run into a problem like this recently and it was the ram module causing shutdowns. I did memtest and everything on the stick but just replacing it with a new solved all the problems.
The only other time where i have seen windows fail like that is when the cpu/fsb/timings
Are "wrong" because of overclocking.
I really don't think its your motherboard. Motherboards usually restart at random intervals if defective not a specific states like windows loading. I mean you managed to install windows fine apart from when it actually has to load right?
Removing the battery only resets the bios like you should have done already...
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removed battery reset bios...same shit but...
After shuttting numerous times it finally booted went to desktop and shutdown while trying to set resolution ... I do not overclock just for the record!
Gonna try to get it to the desktop again and just let it sit there and see what happens. prob gonna have to hit the power button a million times again before I get lucky again from what im seeing right now.... 26 times and still counting........
if a reformat didn't fix it I would say a hardware problem,
-cpu cooler
-burned cpu
-motherboard problem
-with memory failure you *should* get beeping alarms.
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1.) Never Boot-Leg / Pirate (OEM) software because you never know what little dirty secrets might come with it perhaps you have a BIOS virus?
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/bios-virus-rootkit-security-backdoor,7400.html
2.) Unplug the pc, Unplug all non essential I/O drives like FDD, Unplug all your hard-disk drives, ETC, Remove the Bio's Battery, wait about 1 minute, put the battery back in, plug the pc back in, and try turning it on with just CPU,RAM, GPU, and see if the computer stays on for 2-3 minutes.
If it does then turn off the computer unplug it, plug your hard disk's back in and check from there perhaps its software you programmed you might have really messed something on on the hard disk, its rare but some Hard-Drives fail out of the box especially Sea-Gates stay away from them.
If its booting at windows screen, then to me it seems like something with the hard-disk drive possibly something with the mother-board SATA connector try only one hard-drive with OS installed, if it does this try a complete wipe of the Hard Disk Drive flush it with a bunch of 000000000000000000000000000000's as the data hard format, then install OS.
Of course if you got yourself a BIOS virus then well its more complicated.
3.) Also a PC turning off randomly or failing to turn on is a sign of a ruined Voltage Regulator I would check the entire board with your eyes including all chips.
Always check the memory it can be broken and it wont boot up the pc.
So remove 1 stick and boot it up and if it doesnt remove the other one and put the 1st one back (if you have dual mem sticks)
I had it one time and it took me hours to find otu wth was wrong untill i switched the memory sticks and 1 was broken.
a bad voltage regulator would either fry the CPU, short out the motherboard, or be ineffective.
in the case of a VRM being taken out of the loop the power cycle would be less stable. Try underclocking and undervolting the chip as low as possible in the bios and see if it will stay stable. losing 1 VRM should still allow the board to boot. lowering the CPU frequency will allow greater tolerances in the voltage, and should help prevent thermal shutdown if that is the problem.
Dont beat a dead horse !
it's an AMD dual core.
Im so sorry, i feel for you, but its time now and you know it ..
All computers I have ever worked on have some kind of bios hardware diagnostic check. It could be ram, mother board, cpu or HD.
The first thing I would have said would be OS, so please clearly state; did you reformat the hard-drive and reinstall the OS? Have you booted the computer from another source, eg live CD, 'ultimate boot cd' or try a second hard drive?
His comp shuts down as in power off. Nothing in the windows boot up sequence causes immediate shut down.
He said he managed to install Windows through several shut downs.
A bios that old does not have hardware diagnostics.
If they are cheap capacitors they dry out over several years and eventually fail.
That motherboard is the ECS MCP61P-AM, It uses eletrolytic capacitors from at least 2003 and perhaps older.
10 years is a good life span for that system.
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Just to be clear, you did delete partions and reformatted hard drive, if you didn't there are several boot sector virus's that are quite pesky and do a complete shut down.
Plus have you done a scan of the hard drive for errors, once windows start up switchs over from boot sector to the rest of the hard drive, it hits a bad sector and dump.
you changed so much if after the above, it crashs after windows start screen I would be looking at the hard drive, for the MOBO to manifest the same result every time it gets to windows start screen is unlikely even if it is old, and video card initialization has already occurred, so for me hard drive fault/virus.
Not necessarily for the same reasons, but I agree. :-)
Time to buy something new. You've replaced pretty much everything except the cpu and motherboard and are still getting the exact same result. If you can rule out a boot sector virus from the bootleg Windows 8, I'd say it's time to upgrade.
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If you can download a bootable Ubuntu image and boot from the CD-Rom, you could see if the system does that shutdown without Windows. You could run it on the minimum possible amount of ram, etc. If it runs and you can do an install, and then boot into Ubuntu, then it was that bootleg Windows 8. If it doesn't, then I would say upgrade is your best chance.
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Here is a CPU, Mobo, Case and RAM for $212 before $20 mail in rebates.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113348
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128578
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147182
Not the best but will work and beat the shit out of what you had for less than $200 after rebates. I dont know what other hardware you have so this is just a suggestion and should be taken as that.