I have a gtx260 and want to upgrade to a gtx770. Is there any point waiting series 8xx from nvidia? Any1 knows something about the release date of 860 or 870? I m not interested for ATI cards.
As is customary,if you wait for the next big release the last cards will drop in price then you can get a bargain.
Since your posting on a MMOrpg site,i can tell you there is no mmorpg that needs a superlative gpu.FFXIV is the best going right now,i have low frame rates around 25-35 but it is playable looks great and i only have a Nvidia 8800 and a very slow cpu a 5200+.
My opinion,don't get caught up in "gotta be like the Jones" game,you'll just end up over spending with with very little return for your dollar.I played that game for many years,every time i upgraded i was expecting too much and was disappointed.As noted by my present system,i am taking my sweet time before i upgrade again,although i did but an I7 laptop which i never use lol.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
800 series could be out any day, as we've seen the first of the Maxwell chips (the 750/750Ti). That being said, the 750/750Ti are "800-series" in everything but name. A significantly powerful Maxwell on par with the current Keplar 770 could still be months out, so I don't recommend holding your breath waiting for it.
The 770/780 are likely to be as cheap as they are ever going to get. The 780Ti may go on firesale once the competitive Maxwell-series does finally come out, or once the AMD cards stop being horded and get back to under their MSRP, but any discount won't be that huge or anything you could reliably count on.
Due to foundry issues, it's not at all clear whether the GeForce 800 series will be significantly better than the 700 series, or when it will show up. 20 nm process nodes should be ready in time to have cards launch by the end of this year, but the various foundries that produce GPUs tend to be only offering one process node, and it might not be one appropriate to video cards. If GPU vendors decide to wait for 14/16 nm, that's not guaranteed to arrive by the end of 2015.
GPU advancements are largely driven by better process nodes that allow the same performance with less power consumption and less die size--which also allows more performance in the same power consumption and cost of production as before. You can try to make better cards on the same process node as before, but what you can gain that way is limited--and indeed, on 28 nm, AMD and Nvidia have already launched a second round of cards and it's not clear whether there will be more new cards coming on 28 nm.
That said, the GTX 770 is a capable card and a worthy upgrade from a GTX 260. If you're looking to buy a new video card and found a decent deal on a GTX 770 (don't pay more than about $350), have at it. At that price, it's a reasonably good value for the money.
I d like to ask another question. Alongside gtx260 i have 8GB DDR3 & Intel Q9400 Quad Core CPU.
Since i m playing only mmo's whats your suggestion? Upgrade to a gtx770 or get a gtx660 (i find it about 150 euros less than the 770) and buy a new CPU too?
check out something like this... in many cases they are already outperforming the GTX780 and with more games coming out "Mantle" enabled, you're gonna seem them consistently and marginally outperforming nvidia cards
check out something like this... in many cases they are already outperforming the GTX780 and with more games coming out "Mantle" enabled, you're gonna seem them consistently and marginally outperforming nvidia cards
Thx for the reply.
Any answer on this too? Alongside gtx260 i have 8GB DDR3 & Intel Q9400 Quad Core CPU.
Since i m playing only mmo's whats your suggestion? Upgrade to a gtx770 or get a gtx660 (i find it about 150 euros less than the 770) and buy a new CPU too?
check out something like this... in many cases they are already outperforming the GTX780 and with more games coming out "Mantle" enabled, you're gonna seem them consistently and marginally outperforming nvidia cards
Thx for the reply.
Any answer on this too? Alongside gtx260 i have 8GB DDR3 & Intel Q9400 Quad Core CPU.
Since i m playing only mmo's whats your suggestion? Upgrade to a gtx770 or get a gtx660 (i find it about 150 euros less than the 770) and buy a new CPU too?
To get a substantially faster CPU, you're going to need a new CPU socket, which means a new motherboard, which in turn means new memory and a new OS license. If you're going to replace that much, you really should consider replacing the entire computer outright and leaving the old one functional, as it's probably still worth something.
Depending on your motherboard and power supply, you may be able to overclock your current processor substantially.
Mantle is for the new generation of Radeon cards (the ones with RX where X is a numerical value in the name) but I am not sure if you need an AMD CPU or not for it.
That said the price differences between a GTX770 and a Sapphire kitted R9 290 isn't that big and by what I've seen if you plan on running games at higher res than 1080p the R9 is superior.
But my main question remains. Is there a point buying either a 770gtx or a r9 290 card, while i ll stil have the Q9400 cpu? Am i going to play mmo's as i must with a card like that, or the cpu will hold the whole system performance back, making the new graphic card not much of an upgrade?
But my main question remains. Is there a point buying either a 770gtx or a r9 290 card, while i ll stil have the Q9400 cpu? Am i going to play mmo's as i must with a card like that, or the cpu will hold the whole system performance back, making the new graphic card not much of an upgrade?
Honestly... if I were you I would save up 300-400 USD more, get an Ivy Bridge-era i5 (3550 works well), a gigabyte motherboard to support it and allow expansion later on ( lets say 4 ram slots with 16 gb Ram support minimum and 2 gpu slots) and some Mushkin 1600 Mhz Ram cards (8 gb worth is plenty for another few years).
I personally decided to cash-in 100$ more and bought R9 290X. Best purchase I've ever made. And I managed to buy it before the bitcoin suckers bought all of them out and the price went up with 200$. I suppose you can find R9 290 still at about the same price.
But my main question remains. Is there a point buying either a 770gtx or a r9 290 card, while i ll stil have the Q9400 cpu? Am i going to play mmo's as i must with a card like that, or the cpu will hold the whole system performance back, making the new graphic card not much of an upgrade?
Honestly... if I were you I would save up 300-400 USD more, get an Ivy Bridge-era i5 (3550 works well), a gigabyte motherboard to support it and allow expansion later on ( lets say 4 ram slots with 16 gb Ram support minimum and 2 gpu slots) and some Mushkin 1600 Mhz Ram cards (8 gb worth is plenty for another few years).
Well, I have Sandy Bridge i5-2500k still clocked at the stock clocks (3.2GHz, occasionally I clock it up to 3.6 but it can safely go to 4.2GHz) and a R9 290X and I'm rocking the FPS charts. Especially in Bf4 and Gw2. I also have 4 gigs of kingston hyperx @ 1600MHz and I must tell you that you do not need any more than that, I've played every single MMO there is, all of them are 32-bits and their process can not allocate more than 32-bits of memory space. I'm also rocking with Intel 520 SSD but the processes RAM never goes over 1.3-1.5Gb.
P.S: Even the 64-bit executable of Aion is not memory hungry. Seen it to go up to 1.8 gigs of RAM. With the lighter Windows 8 I'm rocking with, that's basically nothing
So i guess i must keep this PC as it is and save a few money to build a new one in the near future.
Thank you all for the responses
You can always buy a new GPU today ( 660 or 770 ), use it in your current PC and then when you build a new one put it in there. Just pop the old 260 back into the old PC when you need.
That is what I would do. As either a 660 or a 770 would be a significant upgrade to a 260. You will be able to notice a big difference in your current PC.
So i guess i must keep this PC as it is and save a few money to build a new one in the near future.
Thank you all for the responses
You can always buy a new GPU today ( 660 or 770 ), use it in your current PC and then when you build a new one put it in there. Just pop the old 260 back into the old PC when you need.
That is what I would do. As either a 660 or a 770 would be a significant upgrade to a 260. You will be able to notice a big difference in your current PC.
And this could kill your PC for any number of issues with minimal gains overall.
I highly recommend a Mantle API available GPU though. Especially in your case when the CPU is bottlenecking your system. Sure DirectX 12 is going to fix this, but there are no games planned on it until 2015th and by then you'll probably need Windows 9 to use it. NVIDIA has some OpenGL extensions ready that basically do the same thing as Mantle but its not yet in the core OpenGL and many devs will miss on it. And from the way the things are, some upcoming games are DirectX optimized with Mantle renderer available on swap. (E.g. Battlefield 4, Thief, Star Citizen and many more)
So i guess i must keep this PC as it is and save a few money to build a new one in the near future.
Thank you all for the responses
You can always buy a new GPU today ( 660 or 770 ), use it in your current PC and then when you build a new one put it in there. Just pop the old 260 back into the old PC when you need.
That is what I would do. As either a 660 or a 770 would be a significant upgrade to a 260. You will be able to notice a big difference in your current PC.
And this could kill your PC for any number of issues with minimal gains overall.
How exactly could this kill his PC?
There is always a chance you could damage a PC anytime you open the case. But with a little care swapping out a GPU is nothing to worry about. Over the years I have swapped GPUs and other hardware, rebuilt PCs out of old parts, or just added new hardware ( SSDs, RAM) ect. and never KIlled a PC.
Looking at the rest of his system specs putting in a 660 or a 770 should not KILL his PC. Unless he just has no clue how to change hardware in a system. And going from a GPU released in 2008 ( 260 ) to a more modern GPU will see more than minimal gains.
So i guess i must keep this PC as it is and save a few money to build a new one in the near future.
Thank you all for the responses
You can always buy a new GPU today ( 660 or 770 ), use it in your current PC and then when you build a new one put it in there. Just pop the old 260 back into the old PC when you need.
That is what I would do. As either a 660 or a 770 would be a significant upgrade to a 260. You will be able to notice a big difference in your current PC.
And this could kill your PC for any number of issues with minimal gains overall.
How exactly could this kill his PC?
There is always a chance you could damage a PC anytime you open the case. But with a little care swapping out a GPU is nothing to worry about. Over the years I have swapped GPUs and other hardware, rebuilt PCs out of old parts, or just added new hardware ( SSDs, RAM) ect. and never KIlled a PC.
Looking at the rest of his system specs putting in a 660 or a 770 should not KILL his PC. Unless he just has no clue how to change hardware in a system. And going from a GPU released in 2008 ( 260 ) to a more modern GPU will see more than minimal gains.
Well for one the GPU is a few generations removed from the motherboard so when the motherboard was designed the shape and heat output of the GPU he is gonna get was either uncommon or unheard of which in turn could lead to him having the same issue as me when I popped in a 6950 on my old rig: Even with proper ventilation the GPU fried the southbridge on the motherboard and even with the 6950 his generation of CPUs won't gain much performance boost from the new GPU as it will force the CPU somewhat ( I got maybe 5-10 FPS more on demanding games with the GPU upgrade back then, he will be able to play newer games on higher settings but that will cause heating issues ).
So i guess i must keep this PC as it is and save a few money to build a new one in the near future.
Thank you all for the responses
You can always buy a new GPU today ( 660 or 770 ), use it in your current PC and then when you build a new one put it in there. Just pop the old 260 back into the old PC when you need.
That is what I would do. As either a 660 or a 770 would be a significant upgrade to a 260. You will be able to notice a big difference in your current PC.
And this could kill your PC for any number of issues with minimal gains overall.
How exactly could this kill his PC?
There is always a chance you could damage a PC anytime you open the case. But with a little care swapping out a GPU is nothing to worry about. Over the years I have swapped GPUs and other hardware, rebuilt PCs out of old parts, or just added new hardware ( SSDs, RAM) ect. and never KIlled a PC.
Looking at the rest of his system specs putting in a 660 or a 770 should not KILL his PC. Unless he just has no clue how to change hardware in a system. And going from a GPU released in 2008 ( 260 ) to a more modern GPU will see more than minimal gains.
Well for one the GPU is a few generations removed from the motherboard so when the motherboard was designed the shape and heat output of the GPU he is gonna get was either uncommon or unheard of which in turn could lead to him having the same issue as me when I popped in a 6950 on my old rig: Even with proper ventilation the GPU fried the southbridge on the motherboard and even with the 6950 his generation of CPUs won't gain much performance boost from the new GPU as it will force the CPU somewhat ( I got maybe 5-10 FPS more on demanding games with the GPU upgrade back then, he will be able to play newer games on higher settings but that will cause heating issues ).
That sounds more like poor ventilation on the case which led to an over heating issue for the entire PC. Looking at the load temps for these cards they all run pretty much the same. Power draw may be a bit more on one or the other but thats about it.
Its not like a 260 was a cool card to run under load. He wont see a huge bump in FPS with his current CPU, but 10+ fps can make a big difference in playability of a game, especially when going from 25fps to 35 or 40 fps.
I guess we can just agree to disagree. It is his system and money after all.
Originally posted by Dihoru Well for one the GPU is a few generations removed from the motherboard so when the motherboard was designed the shape and heat output of the GPU he is gonna get was either uncommon or unheard of which in turn could lead to him having the same issue as me when I popped in a 6950 on my old rig: Even with proper ventilation the GPU fried the southbridge on the motherboard and even with the 6950 his generation of CPUs won't gain much performance boost from the new GPU as it will force the CPU somewhat ( I got maybe 5-10 FPS more on demanding games with the GPU upgrade back then, he will be able to play newer games on higher settings but that will cause heating issues ).
Going with jdnewell on this one: new video card will make a marked difference, even with his current CPU - that is a valid upgrade option. And no, video cards (that comply with standards and are not malfunctioning) will not fry motherboards. Your issue was something else, I won't speculate as to what, but it wasn't because you paired a new video card with an older motherboard.
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As is customary,if you wait for the next big release the last cards will drop in price then you can get a bargain.
Since your posting on a MMOrpg site,i can tell you there is no mmorpg that needs a superlative gpu.FFXIV is the best going right now,i have low frame rates around 25-35 but it is playable looks great and i only have a Nvidia 8800 and a very slow cpu a 5200+.
My opinion,don't get caught up in "gotta be like the Jones" game,you'll just end up over spending with with very little return for your dollar.I played that game for many years,every time i upgraded i was expecting too much and was disappointed.As noted by my present system,i am taking my sweet time before i upgrade again,although i did but an I7 laptop which i never use lol.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
800 series could be out any day, as we've seen the first of the Maxwell chips (the 750/750Ti). That being said, the 750/750Ti are "800-series" in everything but name. A significantly powerful Maxwell on par with the current Keplar 770 could still be months out, so I don't recommend holding your breath waiting for it.
The 770/780 are likely to be as cheap as they are ever going to get. The 780Ti may go on firesale once the competitive Maxwell-series does finally come out, or once the AMD cards stop being horded and get back to under their MSRP, but any discount won't be that huge or anything you could reliably count on.
Yes you should wait mate, it won't be long.
That GTX260 can hold out a little longer if you play MMO's, it's still not that bad of a card.
Two of my friends use it still, and play todays games on it.
Due to foundry issues, it's not at all clear whether the GeForce 800 series will be significantly better than the 700 series, or when it will show up. 20 nm process nodes should be ready in time to have cards launch by the end of this year, but the various foundries that produce GPUs tend to be only offering one process node, and it might not be one appropriate to video cards. If GPU vendors decide to wait for 14/16 nm, that's not guaranteed to arrive by the end of 2015.
GPU advancements are largely driven by better process nodes that allow the same performance with less power consumption and less die size--which also allows more performance in the same power consumption and cost of production as before. You can try to make better cards on the same process node as before, but what you can gain that way is limited--and indeed, on 28 nm, AMD and Nvidia have already launched a second round of cards and it's not clear whether there will be more new cards coming on 28 nm.
That said, the GTX 770 is a capable card and a worthy upgrade from a GTX 260. If you're looking to buy a new video card and found a decent deal on a GTX 770 (don't pay more than about $350), have at it. At that price, it's a reasonably good value for the money.
Thank you all for your comments.
I d like to ask another question. Alongside gtx260 i have 8GB DDR3 & Intel Q9400 Quad Core CPU.
Since i m playing only mmo's whats your suggestion? Upgrade to a gtx770 or get a gtx660 (i find it about 150 euros less than the 770) and buy a new CPU too?
Thanks in advance
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check out something like this... in many cases they are already outperforming the GTX780 and with more games coming out "Mantle" enabled, you're gonna seem them consistently and marginally outperforming nvidia cards
Thx for the reply.
Any answer on this too? Alongside gtx260 i have 8GB DDR3 & Intel Q9400 Quad Core CPU.
Since i m playing only mmo's whats your suggestion? Upgrade to a gtx770 or get a gtx660 (i find it about 150 euros less than the 770) and buy a new CPU too?
To get a substantially faster CPU, you're going to need a new CPU socket, which means a new motherboard, which in turn means new memory and a new OS license. If you're going to replace that much, you really should consider replacing the entire computer outright and leaving the old one functional, as it's probably still worth something.
Depending on your motherboard and power supply, you may be able to overclock your current processor substantially.
I have an Asus P5QC MB / Intel Q9400 quad core / Evga GTX 260 / G. Skill 8GB 1333 DDR3 / Coolermaster 700W PSU / 1 TB HDD.
Mantle is for the new generation of Radeon cards (the ones with RX where X is a numerical value in the name) but I am not sure if you need an AMD CPU or not for it.
That said the price differences between a GTX770 and a Sapphire kitted R9 290 isn't that big and by what I've seen if you plan on running games at higher res than 1080p the R9 is superior.
OK.
But my main question remains. Is there a point buying either a 770gtx or a r9 290 card, while i ll stil have the Q9400 cpu? Am i going to play mmo's as i must with a card like that, or the cpu will hold the whole system performance back, making the new graphic card not much of an upgrade?
Honestly... if I were you I would save up 300-400 USD more, get an Ivy Bridge-era i5 (3550 works well), a gigabyte motherboard to support it and allow expansion later on ( lets say 4 ram slots with 16 gb Ram support minimum and 2 gpu slots) and some Mushkin 1600 Mhz Ram cards (8 gb worth is plenty for another few years).
I personally decided to cash-in 100$ more and bought R9 290X. Best purchase I've ever made. And I managed to buy it before the bitcoin suckers bought all of them out and the price went up with 200$. I suppose you can find R9 290 still at about the same price.
Well, I have Sandy Bridge i5-2500k still clocked at the stock clocks (3.2GHz, occasionally I clock it up to 3.6 but it can safely go to 4.2GHz) and a R9 290X and I'm rocking the FPS charts. Especially in Bf4 and Gw2. I also have 4 gigs of kingston hyperx @ 1600MHz and I must tell you that you do not need any more than that, I've played every single MMO there is, all of them are 32-bits and their process can not allocate more than 32-bits of memory space. I'm also rocking with Intel 520 SSD but the processes RAM never goes over 1.3-1.5Gb.
P.S: Even the 64-bit executable of Aion is not memory hungry. Seen it to go up to 1.8 gigs of RAM. With the lighter Windows 8 I'm rocking with, that's basically nothing
So i guess i must keep this PC as it is and save a few money to build a new one in the near future.
Thank you all for the responses
You can always buy a new GPU today ( 660 or 770 ), use it in your current PC and then when you build a new one put it in there. Just pop the old 260 back into the old PC when you need.
That is what I would do. As either a 660 or a 770 would be a significant upgrade to a 260. You will be able to notice a big difference in your current PC.
And this could kill your PC for any number of issues with minimal gains overall.
How exactly could this kill his PC?
There is always a chance you could damage a PC anytime you open the case. But with a little care swapping out a GPU is nothing to worry about. Over the years I have swapped GPUs and other hardware, rebuilt PCs out of old parts, or just added new hardware ( SSDs, RAM) ect. and never KIlled a PC.
Looking at the rest of his system specs putting in a 660 or a 770 should not KILL his PC. Unless he just has no clue how to change hardware in a system. And going from a GPU released in 2008 ( 260 ) to a more modern GPU will see more than minimal gains.
Well for one the GPU is a few generations removed from the motherboard so when the motherboard was designed the shape and heat output of the GPU he is gonna get was either uncommon or unheard of which in turn could lead to him having the same issue as me when I popped in a 6950 on my old rig: Even with proper ventilation the GPU fried the southbridge on the motherboard and even with the 6950 his generation of CPUs won't gain much performance boost from the new GPU as it will force the CPU somewhat ( I got maybe 5-10 FPS more on demanding games with the GPU upgrade back then, he will be able to play newer games on higher settings but that will cause heating issues ).
That sounds more like poor ventilation on the case which led to an over heating issue for the entire PC. Looking at the load temps for these cards they all run pretty much the same. Power draw may be a bit more on one or the other but thats about it.
Its not like a 260 was a cool card to run under load. He wont see a huge bump in FPS with his current CPU, but 10+ fps can make a big difference in playability of a game, especially when going from 25fps to 35 or 40 fps.
I guess we can just agree to disagree. It is his system and money after all.
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Going with jdnewell on this one: new video card will make a marked difference, even with his current CPU - that is a valid upgrade option. And no, video cards (that comply with standards and are not malfunctioning) will not fry motherboards. Your issue was something else, I won't speculate as to what, but it wasn't because you paired a new video card with an older motherboard.