Originally posted by JemAs666lol thanks for sharing. I can sleep tonight knowing this one person isn't playing. I mean seriously this is a human being not unlike the other human beings. This person isn't anyone special and I could care less if they play or not. I am glad they think so highly of themselves that them not playing makes any difference.
Did you even read the article? The fact that the guy wont be playing the game is not interesting, the reasons for him not doing so, is.
You really found them interesting? His main point for quitting is because they disabled add-ons that had become mandatory for PvP. I think for most people that would be considered a step in the right direction not a reason to ragequit.
I didn't read that in the blog, as the only reason he quit. That is what other people, who are upset with him, is misconstruing his blog to say to try and discredit him.
As a matter of fact I found a lot of interesting points. Such as the devs trying to please both single player Elder Scroll fans and MMO fans and end up with something half-baked in between. I mean the fact that Elder Scrolls single player games are more sandbox and ESO is almost 100% ThemePark, speak volumes about the game.
Also it seems this game has tons of bugs, which cannot bode well just two weeks before launch.
All in all I found the blog interesting but I was not planning to play it and still wont. Elder Scrolls should have been made a sandbox MMO. Anyone who knows anything about Elder Scroll games would know that.
But ZeniMax did not have the balls to go against the mainstream type of MMOs, which is ThemePark.
ES games are not sandbox's, they are all open world quest driven "themepark" style games, at least the last two installments were.
show me just one sandbox mmo that is quest driven like oblivion and skyrim.
oh and not once did he even hint that the issue is it isn't "sandbox" enough.
nope, IMO a ES mmo should definitely not be a sandbox game. then again, i know what a sandbox game actually is.
SWG was a sandbox mmorpg.
It was also chock full of story driven quests and themepark styled areas to quest in.
There is middle ground if only devs care to look hard enough.
Whilst it is true that ES games have never been true sandbox ala Minecraft, they were definitely far too open in scope to be called themeparks. Same goes for FO3.
The missed opportunity, and one of the reasons I believe the shelf life of ESO is far, far more limited than it could have been from my perspective, is that ZOS went full fat themepark when they could have followed a more SWG like approach to creating the game world.
The thing is eveyrone who defended the game being 'buggy' all claimed it wasnt on the PTS. Well here is a PTS tester saying it WAS buggy there. So the bugs probably go beyond the layering and phasing excuse people are using. But ironically if theyre 'just' bugs and not caused by a core mechanic of the game (phasing) they might actually be easier to fix.
And I've talked with a tester who's been playing for just as long and he says that the bugs that do exist aren't game breaking and the game is ready for launch. He said he didn't have the quest issue everyone else had on the PTS. So, this guy's opinion of the game isn't the final word, he wasn't the only one testing the game. I respect his opinion but those opinions aren't shared by everyone else who was a tester for TESO.
So if we have one beta tester claiming the game is buggy and not ready for release, and you personally have spoken to another beta tester who says the bugs are not serious and the game is ready for release.....
How does that equate to "everyone else who was a beta tester for TESO" agreeing with you and the one testers appraisal?
Mis-represent much?
That's one of the reasons I stayed on the fence regarding ESO....there is just so much bullshit being spread on both sides.
I wonder how the other 5000 fulltime closed-beta testers feel about the game at this point ?
I haven't heard any rumours about mass demonstrations, petitions or organised boycots of the game...
But then again, "it's the squeaky wheel that get's the grease", as the saying goes...
I did read that only a small amount of players are taking part in the closed long term beta, someone of the beta testers wrote and as far I remember, only 100-200 players are lvl 50+
Wait. I don't understand. This thread has thrown all kinds of "points" at the blogger to dismiss his credibility. The general feeling in this thread (Echoed by the 1st poster in this quote) is that being a beta tester does not give the tester's opinions more weight than anyone else. (A sentiment I disagree with BTW) So now why does someone want to know what yet other beta testers have to say? That makes no sense.........unless the credibility of these beta tester's opinion lies solely with how their opinion lines up with or against those of people posting in this thread.
Originally posted by JemAs666lol thanks for sharing. I can sleep tonight knowing this one person isn't playing. I mean seriously this is a human being not unlike the other human beings. This person isn't anyone special and I could care less if they play or not. I am glad they think so highly of themselves that them not playing makes any difference.
Did you even read the article? The fact that the guy wont be playing the game is not interesting, the reasons for him not doing so, is.
You really found them interesting? His main point for quitting is because they disabled add-ons that had become mandatory for PvP. I think for most people that would be considered a step in the right direction not a reason to ragequit.
I didn't read that in the blog, as the only reason he quit. That is what other people, who are upset with him, is misconstruing his blog to say to try and discredit him.
As a matter of fact I found a lot of interesting points. Such as the devs trying to please both single player Elder Scroll fans and MMO fans and end up with something half-baked in between. I mean the fact that Elder Scrolls single player games are more sandbox and ESO is almost 100% ThemePark, speak volumes about the game.
Also it seems this game has tons of bugs, which cannot bode well just two weeks before launch.
All in all I found the blog interesting but I was not planning to play it and still wont. Elder Scrolls should have been made a sandbox MMO. Anyone who knows anything about Elder Scroll games would know that.
But ZeniMax did not have the balls to go against the mainstream type of MMOs, which is ThemePark.
ES games are not sandbox's, they are all open world quest driven "themepark" style games, at least the last two installments were.
show me just one sandbox mmo that is quest driven like oblivion and skyrim.
oh and not once did he even hint that the issue is it isn't "sandbox" enough.
nope, IMO a ES mmo should definitely not be a sandbox game. then again, i know what a sandbox game actually is.
SWG was a sandbox mmorpg.
It was also chock full of story driven quests and themepark styled areas to quest in.
There is middle ground if only devs care to look hard enough.
I dont find that an accurate representation of SWG at all. At least Pre-cu. With Rage of the Wookies and CU "enhancement" the game became more quest driven, yes. And even more so in the NGE. But at the same time more and more sandbox elements were removed in favor of more of a quest focus. To the point of the NGE eradicating almost any resemblance to sandbox elements.
SWG at launch had a handful of quests, much like original EQ. You had 3 theme parks, which each could be completed in a couple of hours. Other than that you had...2 longish quest lines that most people didnt do. You also had the so called "story arc" that was meant to be a monthly update to an ongoing storyline, which was quickly abandoned after the first chapter.
Definitely not chock full of quests for the regretfully short time it could be considered a true sandbox game.
I hate to say it, but doesn't this thread belong under Review and Impressions? The guy gave his review and impressions and then rage quits, I don't see how this is any different then any one elses review and rage quits around here.
I hate to say it, but doesn't this thread belong under Review and Impressions? The guy gave his review and impressions and then rage quits, I don't see how this is any different then any one elses review and rage quits around here.
This guy seems to have been of some notability within the game's player base. His blog and his opinion seem to carry a lot more weight than people care to admit.
No namers with limited post histories on MMORPG.COM, don't generate 40 page threads by posting they won't be buying the new hyped MMO releasing in 2 weeks.
Not sure what the other guys point was but he is right. As you say there was 3 main themepark hubs and the Cries of Alderaan story arc was abondoned. BUT there were literally hundreds of individual quests. There was a website called SWG Alakhazam.com or something that listed them all by planet. Even pre cu and cu, each planet had LOADS of individual quests. You just had to find them yourself instead of being told where they were. Im pretty sure that website is still around if youd care to refresh your memory
He said on TF that the only reasons he was stopping was he didn't agree with how ZOS was managing the game (nerfs, API, etc.). Restated that if you enjoyed the game there's no reason you won't later levels too.
He seemed a bit butt hurt, and will likely come back.
I hate to say it, but doesn't this thread belong under Review and Impressions? The guy gave his review and impressions and then rage quits, I don't see how this is any different then any one elses review and rage quits around here.
This guy seems to have been of some notability within the game's player base. His blog and his opinion seem to carry a lot more weight than people care to admit.
No namers with limited post histories on MMORPG.COM, don't generate 40 page threads by posting they won't be buying the new hyped MMO releasing in 2 weeks.
You mean kind of like how Paris Hilton became a celeb? What's that word called again..... A Socialite?
I hate to say it, but doesn't this thread belong under Review and Impressions? The guy gave his review and impressions and then rage quits, I don't see how this is any different then any one elses review and rage quits around here.
This guy seems to have been of some notability within the game's player base. His blog and his opinion seem to carry a lot more weight than people care to admit.
No namers with limited post histories on MMORPG.COM, don't generate 40 page threads by posting they won't be buying the new hyped MMO releasing in 2 weeks.
You mean kind of like how Paris Hilton became a celeb? What's that word called again..... A Socialite?
Not sure what the other guys point was but he is right. As you say there was 3 main themepark hubs and the Cries of Alderaan story arc was abondoned. BUT there were literally hundreds of individual quests. There was a website called SWG Alakhazam.com or something that listed them all by planet. Even pre cu and cu, each planet had LOADS of individual quests. You just had to find them yourself instead of being told where they were. Im pretty sure that website is still around if youd care to refresh your memory
What you're seeing on allakhazam are missions that were listed on this mission terminal. They were randomly generated. You'd go to a mission terminal, it would print off like 5 missions, you'd select one. It would have a short story attached to it that nobody read, because they were all search and destroy, and have generic titles like "collect missing data tapes for Derelict Wino". There were also explorer missions, entertainer missions, crafting, etc. The point is in SWG there was a big difference between a quest and a mission. Missions were how you made money, they provided no content outside of spawning a lair for you to kill which you got paid for.
The only exception to what I said in the initial post about it were the noble missions. You could get random tasks from nobles, normally an escort mission or some such where you had to find an NPC and bring him back. But again, there was no story behind it, just a means for making money, so I dont consider that a quest at all. Because there were actual quests in the game which clearly marked the difference, there just werent that many.
EDIT: Yeah I see what you're saying now after looking, some NPC's gave out quests. But I dont remember a single soul who did them ever lol.
The author of this text is a long term beta tester (if I remember correct 9+ months) and did level up several characters to LVL 50 already. He was aswell a moderator at the tamrielfoundry forums.
There is this thing that happens with human beings, when you do something over and over all day, every day, it ceases to be fun. Sounds like this guy burned himself out. His 9 months is probably equivalent to 5 years for me and most other people. Obviously an enjoyable game if he spent that much time on it.
This guy sounds like a whining child to me, most of what he says is pure speculation and also would only be experienced by those with no lives who spend every moment in a video game world. I'm happy he is quitting now hopefully he'll go outside and see what this whole sunlight thing is about.
I could not say it better , this guy Tested GAME full of bugs for 9 months )) even if game was bugged he played so much ....This only mean game is fucking great
There is this thing that happens with human beings, when you do something over and over all day, every day, it ceases to be fun. Sounds like this guy burned himself out. His 9 months is probably equivalent to 5 years for me and most other people. Obviously an enjoyable game if he spent that much time on it.
This guy sounds like a whining child to me, most of what he says is pure speculation and also would only be experienced by those with no lives who spend every moment in a video game world. I'm happy he is quitting now hopefully he'll go outside and see what this whole sunlight thing is about.
I could not say it better , this guy Tested GAME full of bugs for 9 months )) even if game was bugged he played so much ....This only mean game is fucking great
He did not even have Adventure Zones and he played this long, that's even more amazing. Imagine only getting half a game and playing that long. Its unheard of in modern MMO gaming.
I hate to say it, but doesn't this thread belong under Review and Impressions? The guy gave his review and impressions and then rage quits, I don't see how this is any different then any one elses review and rage quits around here.
if people are doing 180's on the game that much that a section needs to be made then eso must truly be lacking ....
I hate to say it, but doesn't this thread belong under Review and Impressions? The guy gave his review and impressions and then rage quits, I don't see how this is any different then any one elses review and rage quits around here.
if people are doing 180's on the game that much that a section needs to be made then eso must truly be lacking ....
WHat? The section is made for every game about to launch, it's already there....
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I hate to say it, but doesn't this thread belong under Review and Impressions? The guy gave his review and impressions and then rage quits, I don't see how this is any different then any one elses review and rage quits around here.
if people are doing 180's on the game that much that a section needs to be made then eso must truly be lacking ....
WHat? The section is made for every game about to launch, it's already there....
Is it really ?! oo i didn't see that before well that's nice but if people post here its just here until a mod moves it if that ever happen's lol.
you read minds now ?....... or............... how do you know that ?
I know this from personal experience. After you play enough MMORPG's, you either rush to these forums and say how much you hate the game and hit that POST MESSAGE button without a doubt of never looking back.... or you don't.
I just wanted to put another opinion out there. You know, beta can be rough on people. When you built up many characters over 9 months of playing straight, and you are facing a wipe, and features added you dint want... Its hard to keep playing past launch. Knowing you have to start all over again, its almost like quiting and restarting the game again without all your chracters, items ect. A lot of long term players get PBTS (post beta traumatic syndrome).
Quiting this close to launch isn't really a surprise, as you are approaching a wipe, because its a point of evaluation of your life/time, in real life we call this midlife crisis. Do you really want to keep going, after the kind of loss that you will be facing? Have you played the game enough. Did you do all the things you already wanted to? All these things come flooding in your mind.
Its sometimes easier for your conscious to find reasons to not have to go on, expecially when you lose that feeling for fun in a game. So it doesn't supprise me It was a bunch of little things that added up to allow him to leave. Like the imperial edition race, the horse, the preorder alliances bonus, the bugs... When you lose your fun and dopamine in the brain, nothing can start to make you feel happy, and so when you focus on the little things that cause mild discomfort can then allow you to talk yourself out of something you no longer are achiving that fun from.
Starting over all your chractrers and leveling up for example. Your brain has gotten dopamine rewards for all of the things he is facing after a wipe. will it be fun, I can guarnetee you the answer is no. When you have to repeat something, you lose the rewards given to your brain in the form of a chemical reaction called dopamine. if theres nothing left but Adventure zones for him to achive this effect, it might be worth it for him to go to another game, that's new, and he can achive this chemical reaction in the brain with again. Even if that game he is going to has all the things he hated from the game he just quit.
Does that make a little bit of sense when put into a more scientific aspect of things?
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SWG was a sandbox mmorpg.
It was also chock full of story driven quests and themepark styled areas to quest in.
There is middle ground if only devs care to look hard enough.
Whilst it is true that ES games have never been true sandbox ala Minecraft, they were definitely far too open in scope to be called themeparks. Same goes for FO3.
The missed opportunity, and one of the reasons I believe the shelf life of ESO is far, far more limited than it could have been from my perspective, is that ZOS went full fat themepark when they could have followed a more SWG like approach to creating the game world.
So if we have one beta tester claiming the game is buggy and not ready for release, and you personally have spoken to another beta tester who says the bugs are not serious and the game is ready for release.....
How does that equate to "everyone else who was a beta tester for TESO" agreeing with you and the one testers appraisal?
Mis-represent much?
That's one of the reasons I stayed on the fence regarding ESO....there is just so much bullshit being spread on both sides.
Wait. I don't understand. This thread has thrown all kinds of "points" at the blogger to dismiss his credibility. The general feeling in this thread (Echoed by the 1st poster in this quote) is that being a beta tester does not give the tester's opinions more weight than anyone else. (A sentiment I disagree with BTW) So now why does someone want to know what yet other beta testers have to say? That makes no sense.........unless the credibility of these beta tester's opinion lies solely with how their opinion lines up with or against those of people posting in this thread.
I dont find that an accurate representation of SWG at all. At least Pre-cu. With Rage of the Wookies and CU "enhancement" the game became more quest driven, yes. And even more so in the NGE. But at the same time more and more sandbox elements were removed in favor of more of a quest focus. To the point of the NGE eradicating almost any resemblance to sandbox elements.
SWG at launch had a handful of quests, much like original EQ. You had 3 theme parks, which each could be completed in a couple of hours. Other than that you had...2 longish quest lines that most people didnt do. You also had the so called "story arc" that was meant to be a monthly update to an ongoing storyline, which was quickly abandoned after the first chapter.
Definitely not chock full of quests for the regretfully short time it could be considered a true sandbox game.
Lol @ fucking nerds...get a life. It's just a computer game.
I hate to say it, but doesn't this thread belong under Review and Impressions? The guy gave his review and impressions and then rage quits, I don't see how this is any different then any one elses review and rage quits around here.
This guy seems to have been of some notability within the game's player base. His blog and his opinion seem to carry a lot more weight than people care to admit.
No namers with limited post histories on MMORPG.COM, don't generate 40 page threads by posting they won't be buying the new hyped MMO releasing in 2 weeks.
Not sure what the other guys point was but he is right. As you say there was 3 main themepark hubs and the Cries of Alderaan story arc was abondoned. BUT there were literally hundreds of individual quests. There was a website called SWG Alakhazam.com or something that listed them all by planet. Even pre cu and cu, each planet had LOADS of individual quests. You just had to find them yourself instead of being told where they were. Im pretty sure that website is still around if youd care to refresh your memory
He said on TF that the only reasons he was stopping was he didn't agree with how ZOS was managing the game (nerfs, API, etc.). Restated that if you enjoyed the game there's no reason you won't later levels too.
He seemed a bit butt hurt, and will likely come back.
a long term beta tester who burned out, who cares - i wont be reading his goodbye thread like i dont any other
You mean kind of like how Paris Hilton became a celeb? What's that word called again..... A Socialite?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialite
You'll have to excuse me if I do not give his opinion any more weight then others, I believe in social equality....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_equality
Maybe, but it's still 40 pages of no one caring.
What you're seeing on allakhazam are missions that were listed on this mission terminal. They were randomly generated. You'd go to a mission terminal, it would print off like 5 missions, you'd select one. It would have a short story attached to it that nobody read, because they were all search and destroy, and have generic titles like "collect missing data tapes for Derelict Wino". There were also explorer missions, entertainer missions, crafting, etc. The point is in SWG there was a big difference between a quest and a mission. Missions were how you made money, they provided no content outside of spawning a lair for you to kill which you got paid for.
The only exception to what I said in the initial post about it were the noble missions. You could get random tasks from nobles, normally an escort mission or some such where you had to find an NPC and bring him back. But again, there was no story behind it, just a means for making money, so I dont consider that a quest at all. Because there were actual quests in the game which clearly marked the difference, there just werent that many.
EDIT: Yeah I see what you're saying now after looking, some NPC's gave out quests. But I dont remember a single soul who did them ever lol.
if I could have played the game for free for 9 moths I also would have been finished.
if the game is so bad why did he keep playing it and don't let him test anymore and get to play free and then bash a game.
the game is good enough to buy and play.
I could not say it better , this guy Tested GAME full of bugs for 9 months )) even if game was bugged he played so much ....This only mean game is fucking great
He did not even have Adventure Zones and he played this long, that's even more amazing. Imagine only getting half a game and playing that long. Its unheard of in modern MMO gaming.
if people are doing 180's on the game that much that a section needs to be made then eso must truly be lacking ....Witty & Wicked
WHat? The section is made for every game about to launch, it's already there....
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Is it really ?! oo i didn't see that before well that's nice but if people post here its just here until a mod moves it if that ever happen's lol.
Witty & Wicked
"Even after writing this post, I still question weather or not I should press the publish button."
He still loves the game or he would have press that button without a doubt.
you read minds now ?....... or............... how do you know that ?
Witty & Wicked
I know this from personal experience. After you play enough MMORPG's, you either rush to these forums and say how much you hate the game and hit that POST MESSAGE button without a doubt of never looking back.... or you don't.
I just wanted to put another opinion out there. You know, beta can be rough on people. When you built up many characters over 9 months of playing straight, and you are facing a wipe, and features added you dint want... Its hard to keep playing past launch. Knowing you have to start all over again, its almost like quiting and restarting the game again without all your chracters, items ect. A lot of long term players get PBTS (post beta traumatic syndrome).
Quiting this close to launch isn't really a surprise, as you are approaching a wipe, because its a point of evaluation of your life/time, in real life we call this midlife crisis. Do you really want to keep going, after the kind of loss that you will be facing? Have you played the game enough. Did you do all the things you already wanted to? All these things come flooding in your mind.
Its sometimes easier for your conscious to find reasons to not have to go on, expecially when you lose that feeling for fun in a game. So it doesn't supprise me It was a bunch of little things that added up to allow him to leave. Like the imperial edition race, the horse, the preorder alliances bonus, the bugs... When you lose your fun and dopamine in the brain, nothing can start to make you feel happy, and so when you focus on the little things that cause mild discomfort can then allow you to talk yourself out of something you no longer are achiving that fun from.
Starting over all your chractrers and leveling up for example. Your brain has gotten dopamine rewards for all of the things he is facing after a wipe. will it be fun, I can guarnetee you the answer is no. When you have to repeat something, you lose the rewards given to your brain in the form of a chemical reaction called dopamine. if theres nothing left but Adventure zones for him to achive this effect, it might be worth it for him to go to another game, that's new, and he can achive this chemical reaction in the brain with again. Even if that game he is going to has all the things he hated from the game he just quit.
Does that make a little bit of sense when put into a more scientific aspect of things?