Well... really, the 360 and ps3 will be very similar in graphics. I think it will really come down to how the launch goes for each console. MS has i believe 25-40 games lined up for the launch window, including: battlefield 2, perfect dark zero, project gotham 3, gears of war, and elder scrolls 4, too name a few. And people everywhere are expecting Halo 3 to come out the day PS3 launches... Who could ask for more?
Also, the asthetics: the ps3 controller is FUGLY!!! also, the console itself doesn't look so hot either. The 360's controllers are kickass, (speaking of which why the hell does the ps3 support SEVEN contollers?!??! its a goofy number to begin with, but unless someones got two HD big screens side by side, whats the use? i dun wanna kill my eyes looking at postage stamp sized screens.)
The 360 also comes with outta the box basic live, and will be backwards-compatible with "major-selling Live enabled games" as they put it. Honestly, Live is the best console online system out there, cause sony's is a per game service, and gamecubes is pratically non-existent (does it even have online capability?)
[quote]Originally posted by iinfidel [b]It's likely to be pricey ... 50k Yen or $465 stated here: [url=http://ps3.ign.com/articles/615/615745p1.html] We still don't know about whether or not the Killzone video is real-time or not (I think it's certainly possible) ... IGN investigates: [url=http://ps3.ign.com/articles/615/615531p1.html] The press conference and all of the demos looked fantastic, I like the way that the smoke and explosions in the Killzone video mimic the volumetric explosions from an earlier tech demo ... I reckon the PS3 might eventually be able to pull that off in real-time (if it isn't already).[/b][/quote]
You're taking it completely out of context. It only translates to that amount of dollars. That DOES NOT mean it will retail for that much here. I'm guessing that whoever thinks it will sell for more than $300 has never studied economics, especially in relation to the game industry. It's been determined that $300 is the most they can charge for an impulse purchase. Any more than that and you go out of business. Does no one remember 3DO? People, the next systems will NOT retail for more than $300. Take that to the bank.
Originally posted by metalfoxus REAL PS3 in-game graphics. http://media.ps2.gamespy.com/media/746/746542/imgs_1.htmlThere is a link if ya don't believe me. It says, "Demonik (PS3)" right there at the top.LOL at the guys who thought the cinema was ingame
Both ingame ps2 graphics.
As you can see there is a huge difference. PS3 is coming out in 06 and will take 2 years for computers to catch up to it. I mean its going to have been 7 frigging years since the ps2's been out once ps3's released...If they cant make that kind of jump in 7 years then wtfs the point of next gen? Exactly because it is actaul footage of in-game play and if you look at titles like ghost recon and gears of war for xbox360 which is weaker and running on 1/3 of the dev kits power it looks simply incredible..Theres no reason as to why games cant acheive that with the RSX GPU for PS3.
Originally posted by nooblet Originally posted by metalfoxus REAL PS3 in-game graphics. http://media.ps2.gamespy.com/media/746/746542/imgs_1.htmlThere is a link if ya don't believe me. It says, "Demonik (PS3)" right there at the top.LOL at the guys who thought the cinema was ingame
Both ingame ps2 graphics.
As you can see there is a huge difference. PS3 is coming out in 06 and will take 2 years for computers to catch up to it. I mean its going to have been 7 frigging years since the ps2's been out once ps3's released...If they cant make that kind of jump in 7 years then wtfs the point of next gen? Exactly because it is actaul footage of in-game play and if you look at titles like ghost recon and gears of war for xbox360 which is weaker and running on 1/3 of the dev kits power it looks simply incredible..Theres no reason as to why games cant acheive that with the RSX GPU for PS3.
PS2 hasnt been out for 7 years
Lets try this as a math equation for the graphics of the PS3.
6800 + 6800 does NOT = 13600 6800 + 6800 DOES = 6800 with smoother performance.
It hurts my brain as to why people actually think thats in game footage...but i must say they are genius at hyping their machine up since ALOT of people will buy into it..so of course WHY show in-game footage when you can show cgi and have the majority of casual fans and die hard ps2 fans dive into it...
It's amazing sony just showed a piece of that footage and everyone is read to jump the wagon...i want to see a few in game shots .......
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It hurts my brain as to why people actually think thats in game footage...but i must say they are genius at hyping their machine up since ALOT of people will buy into it..so of course WHY show in-game footage when you can show cgi and have the majority of casual fans and die hard ps2 fans dive into it...
It's amazing sony just showed a piece of that footage and everyone is read to jump the wagon...i want to see a few in game shots .......
Yup. Just because it's in the typical FPS viewpoint does not make it in game footage.
By the time PS3 comes out, PS2 will have come out for 6 years.
They said the graphics of PS3 is double of the 6800. That does not mean 2 6800s put together, it really means double the power of 6800.
There are super bad graphic games for every console. That does not mean that those graphics is what it will be like for all games. Look at Gran Turismo 4, then look at X-men legends, for example. Big difference right there.
Just because you dig out a picture of a less-graphical game for the PS3, it doesn't mean the other games will automatically be equal to that and cannot exceed it. Keep in mind Sony isn't making the games, they just make the console. None of us know what the console can exceed, nor any other console.
I have to believe that the PS3 can have the graphics of the Killzone 2 demo they showed us.
Remember, the PS3 is reportedly about a dozen times more powerful than PS2, also remember that Sony took more time into making the PS3 than Microsoft did with Xbox 360.
It hurts my brain as to why people actually think thats in game footage...but i must say they are genius at hyping their machine up since ALOT of people will buy into it..so of course WHY show in-game footage when you can show cgi and have the majority of casual fans and die hard ps2 fans dive into it...
It's amazing sony just showed a piece of that footage and everyone is read to jump the wagon...i want to see a few in game shots .......
Back up why its not in-game footage other than ''because its just too good looking and has cutscenes mixed into it seamlessly'' Well remember a little game called Resident Evil 4 for gamecube? It had gameplay and cutscenes seamlessly intergrated into play. So please , validly back-up your proof as to why its not real gameplay footage or else your just another idiot.
It hurts my brain as to why people actually think thats in game footage...but i must say they are genius at hyping their machine up since ALOT of people will buy into it..so of course WHY show in-game footage when you can show cgi and have the majority of casual fans and die hard ps2 fans dive into it...
It's amazing sony just showed a piece of that footage and everyone is read to jump the wagon...i want to see a few in game shots .......
Back up why its not in-game footage other than ''because its just too good looking and has cutscenes mixed into it seamlessly'' Well remember a little game called Resident Evil 4 for gamecube? It had gameplay and cutscenes seamlessly intergrated into play. So please , validly back-up your proof as to why its not real gameplay footage or else your just another idiot.
The rendering quality should be similar. The movie-level scripting and perfect timing/camera movements will not.
People unable to separate the two in their heads should be slap.
Originally posted by Ducky Kinda sad, but the PS3 has allmost double as fast as the Xbox 360 PS3 has 256 megs of ram that runs at 3.2Ghz... Gimme!! (I am a Xbox fanboi)
Me too but 1) the ps3 will be delayed probably knowing the industry and come out 3 years from now and 2) its sony.
Originally posted by anarchyart If that is actual Killzone gameplay quality footage, I will be getting PS3 just for that game period. Even for a cinematic trailer it was heart stopping. Im thinkin no that was pure CGI. Still made me wanna enlist though
That shit was so scripted it couldn't possibly be real gameplay footage. Besides, guerilla-games(the developers), haven't proven themselves to the gaming community. The two games they have under their belt, killzone and shellshock: nam 67, have gotten all-around lackluster reviews. Maybe they can pull something special off with Killzone 2, but I wouldn't count on it. It may have awesome graphics, but considering their previous games, the gameplay will suck.
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I dont know about you but the fight night video with the rippling skin and crap did indeed look pretty awsome....although as far as killzone goes i think that it is kinda a mix of cg and gameplay cuase some of it did not look cg really...and the power the ps3 gives out its utterly amazing even if those stats are just raw power stats and not really what they would be understress...besides have you seen gears of war for the 360? it looks so dang cool and that IS gameplay footage whoes to say a console that comes out later with better specs cant best it?
Remember how great the PS2 graphics looked before release? Well, after the release most PC games were already more advanced.
I might get a console if you can plug a monitor, keyboard and mouse on it...wait that's a PC. I mean how lame can online gaming be without a keyboard/mouse? Aiming with a controller is shite and you can't even chat with other players without a headset.
A lot of people seem to be confused about what the original video posted here is about. Its not real game footage, its a cinematic video but the point is that it is rendered in real time using the ps3 engine. Like when you watch a CG sequence in a FF game, that is just a pre-rendered fmv, your computer is just playing a dvd. Although this is still a cinematic video it is rendered in real time and therefor it is actually possible for games on the machine to look that good, that doesnt necessarily mean that all the games shown will look as good as there cinematic videos but they can if the developers get it right.
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Originally posted by Deku Ofcourse its built you idiot. You think a console gets finished right before its released? How are they able to releases games for it on the release day lol It takes a minimal of 1 year to make even a rushed game so the deveopers of the games will get there copy of the ps3 development tools more than a year before the console is released. Lol yeah the graphical capabilities are unknown but hundreds of games are already in developemnt for it. How would that even be possible?
Lol yeah sony has stated that the ps3 dev kits were given out a while ago. That other guy doesnt know what the hell hes talking about.
Originally posted by terstax Originally posted by Kiamde Originally posted by rathma Me too but I don't know any way how they'd get their materials for the system that cheap. I guess we'll have to see.
They build all the chips in one factory. In the end, they only pay for labor and materials. They could probably build one unit for 80-120 dollars.
What I am worried about is the blu-ray drive. It is new technology and blu ray drives go for hundreds of dollars. Not sure how that will work.
I absolutely guarantee that if it's one dollar over 299.99, I will buy you one Kiamde. Take that to the bank. As for its production cost, it WILL be far more than its retail price. In the case of the PS2 and XBOX both, each cost roughly $150 more (about $450 total) to make than it retailed for at launch. It's the razor/razor blade theory. They take the loss on the console and and make it back on the games. That's just how it works.
I'm thinking it's going to sell for about $500...but I still subscribe to the theory, but for different reasons. Sony is pushing Blu-Ray hard right now. Just as they did for DVD. They'll take a loss on the console to push Blu-Ray to be THE next gen format, and as such, make the money up from their movie department.
No console will be over 350.00. It is not economical. Gamers buy consoles because they can get 3 times the bang for their buck over PC parts. You know nothing about the industry if you believe in 500 dollar prices.
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Originally posted by Veiled_light Is in game graphics was confirmed its all showin off in game graphics :P Just now its the question, is this the ps2 all over again
uh wtf is that supposed to mean?? "Is this the ps2 all over again?"
Was this post just to get your rating up or something cause it's a pointless meaningless comment.
If you mean are they gonna have all the latest phatest games, or do you mean the graphics are going to be killer? or do you mean ... dam man, wtf DO you mean... apologies but, people who post just to post piss me off...
Originally posted by Prid3r Im happy that im not at the same place as that guys in the end, Must damLY HURT FUCKING BIG! you must Really Cry like a moron for your mom!
Greeeeeeeat... This poster can't even type in english. My god people, can we learn some english or just don't post.. this kinda post hurts my brain...
Another post abortion... wish someone would finish the job...
Originally posted by Ducky Price.. hmm my guess is 650, allthough i heard 350 somewhere, and i am hoping for 250 :P
Well the graphics for the PS3 is slightly over double GeForce 6800 Ultra's, and that would cost 1000 dollars alone... So I wouldn't be suprised if it's higher than that.
Also, Sony is trying to put a large emphasis on the idea that it's a supercomputer. Mainly because, when you hear the word console, 300 dollars or so comes to mind, price wise. But when you hear computer, it would seem reasonable to pay over a grand or 2 for one.
LMFAO - super computer my ass... this would qualify as a gaming computer at most...
don't get me wrong it looks awesome but, you guys need to learn your terminology or just don't use it at all... "super computer" sneaker...
Originally posted by Ducky Price.. hmm my guess is 650, allthough i heard 350 somewhere, and i am hoping for 250 :P
Well the graphics for the PS3 is slightly over double GeForce 6800 Ultra's, and that would cost 1000 dollars alone... So I wouldn't be suprised if it's higher than that.
Also, Sony is trying to put a large emphasis on the idea that it's a supercomputer. Mainly because, when you hear the word console, 300 dollars or so comes to mind, price wise. But when you hear computer, it would seem reasonable to pay over a grand or 2 for one.
LMFAO - super computer my ass... this would qualify as a gaming computer at most...
don't get me wrong it looks awesome but, you guys need to learn your terminology or just don't use it at all... "super computer" sneaker...
While it may not be a supercomputer in the exact context of the word, compared to todays PCs and home consoles it IS a supercomputer. Look at the specs for it. The top computer in the WORLD can process 36 TFLOPS per clock, the Cell can Process 2 TFLOPS.
Just because it's in the typical FPS viewpoint does not make it in game footage.
And just because that's true doesn't mean that it can't be in-game footage.
Don't you people remember the Half-Life 2 and the Halo 2 early in-game videos? They didn't have the in-game HUD showing ammo and stuff... They wanted it to look better and also, perhaps, to keep their HUD a secret until closer to launch.
To me, the Killzone video looks a lot like Halo 1... ie, Truth and Reconciliation. You start out on the ship, able to move and look out the ship. You can see other people moving and fighting in real-time. Thus, I think it is actual in-game footage.
As far as the first video posted, I'm positive most of that is actually cinematic.
And I'm veeeeery surprised by that FFVII video. It would be great if they remade it with better graphics.
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Well... really, the 360 and ps3 will be very similar in graphics. I think it will really come down to how the launch goes for each console. MS has i believe 25-40 games lined up for the launch window, including: battlefield 2, perfect dark zero, project gotham 3, gears of war, and elder scrolls 4, too name a few. And people everywhere are expecting Halo 3 to come out the day PS3 launches... Who could ask for more?
Also, the asthetics: the ps3 controller is FUGLY!!! also, the console itself doesn't look so hot either. The 360's controllers are kickass, (speaking of which why the hell does the ps3 support SEVEN contollers?!??!
its a goofy number to begin with, but unless someones got two HD big screens side by side, whats the use? i dun wanna kill my eyes looking at postage stamp sized screens.)
The 360 also comes with outta the box basic live, and will be backwards-compatible with "major-selling Live enabled games" as they put it. Honestly, Live is the best console online system out there, cause sony's is a per game service, and gamecubes is pratically non-existent (does it even have online capability?)
Anyways, In my eyes, the 360 takes the cake.
[quote]Originally posted by iinfidel
[b]It's likely to be pricey ... 50k Yen or $465 stated here: [url=http://ps3.ign.com/articles/615/615745p1.html]
We still don't know about whether or not the Killzone video is real-time or not (I think it's certainly possible) ... IGN investigates: [url=http://ps3.ign.com/articles/615/615531p1.html]
The press conference and all of the demos looked fantastic, I like the way that the smoke and explosions in the Killzone video mimic the volumetric explosions from an earlier tech demo ... I reckon the PS3 might eventually be able to pull that off in real-time (if it isn't already).[/b][/quote]
You're taking it completely out of context. It only translates to that amount of dollars. That DOES NOT mean it will retail for that much here. I'm guessing that whoever thinks it will sell for more than $300 has never studied economics, especially in relation to the game industry. It's been determined that $300 is the most they can charge for an impulse purchase. Any more than that and you go out of business. Does no one remember 3DO? People, the next systems will NOT retail for more than $300. Take that to the bank.
REAL PS3 in-game graphics.
http://media.ps2.gamespy.com/media/746/746542/imgs_1.html
There is a link if ya don't believe me. It says, "Demonik (PS3)" right there at the top.
LOL at the guys who thought the cinema was ingame
Both ingame ps2 graphics.
As you can see there is a huge difference. PS3 is coming out in 06 and will take 2 years for computers to catch up to it. I mean its going to have been 7 frigging years since the ps2's been out once ps3's released...If they cant make that kind of jump in 7 years then wtfs the point of next gen? Exactly because it is actaul footage of in-game play and if you look at titles like ghost recon and gears of war for xbox360 which is weaker and running on 1/3 of the dev kits power it looks simply incredible..Theres no reason as to why games cant acheive that with the RSX GPU for PS3.
Both ingame ps2 graphics.
As you can see there is a huge difference. PS3 is coming out in 06 and will take 2 years for computers to catch up to it. I mean its going to have been 7 frigging years since the ps2's been out once ps3's released...If they cant make that kind of jump in 7 years then wtfs the point of next gen? Exactly because it is actaul footage of in-game play and if you look at titles like ghost recon and gears of war for xbox360 which is weaker and running on 1/3 of the dev kits power it looks simply incredible..Theres no reason as to why games cant acheive that with the RSX GPU for PS3.
PS2 hasnt been out for 7 years
Lets try this as a math equation for the graphics of the PS3.
6800 + 6800 does NOT = 13600
6800 + 6800 DOES = 6800 with smoother performance.
Oh, and those "Demonik" pics were PS3
It hurts my brain as to why people actually think thats in game footage...but i must say they are genius at hyping their machine up since ALOT of people will buy into it..so of course WHY show in-game footage when you can show cgi and have the majority of casual fans and die hard ps2 fans dive into it...
It's amazing sony just showed a piece of that footage and everyone is read to jump the wagon...i want to see a few in game shots .......
Qoute: "I neva *ucked anybody over in my life, who didn't have it comin' to 'im, you got that? All I have in this world is my balls, and my word, and I don't break 'em for no one, jou understand?" Tony Montana
It's amazing sony just showed a piece of that footage and everyone is read to jump the wagon...i want to see a few in game shots .......
Yup. Just because it's in the typical FPS viewpoint does not make it in game footage.
By the time PS3 comes out, PS2 will have come out for 6 years.
They said the graphics of PS3 is double of the 6800. That does not mean 2 6800s put together, it really means double the power of 6800.
There are super bad graphic games for every console. That does not mean that those graphics is what it will be like for all games. Look at Gran Turismo 4, then look at X-men legends, for example. Big difference right there.
Just because you dig out a picture of a less-graphical game for the PS3, it doesn't mean the other games will automatically be equal to that and cannot exceed it. Keep in mind Sony isn't making the games, they just make the console. None of us know what the console can exceed, nor any other console.
I have to believe that the PS3 can have the graphics of the Killzone 2 demo they showed us.
Remember, the PS3 is reportedly about a dozen times more powerful than PS2, also remember that Sony took more time into making the PS3 than Microsoft did with Xbox 360.
It's amazing sony just showed a piece of that footage and everyone is read to jump the wagon...i want to see a few in game shots .......
Back up why its not in-game footage other than ''because its just too good looking and has cutscenes mixed into it seamlessly'' Well remember a little game called Resident Evil 4 for gamecube? It had gameplay and cutscenes seamlessly intergrated into play. So please , validly back-up your proof as to why its not real gameplay footage or else your just another idiot.
It's amazing sony just showed a piece of that footage and everyone is read to jump the wagon...i want to see a few in game shots .......
Back up why its not in-game footage other than ''because its just too good looking and has cutscenes mixed into it seamlessly'' Well remember a little game called Resident Evil 4 for gamecube? It had gameplay and cutscenes seamlessly intergrated into play. So please , validly back-up your proof as to why its not real gameplay footage or else your just another idiot.
The rendering quality should be similar.
The movie-level scripting and perfect timing/camera movements will not.
People unable to separate the two in their heads should be slap.
If that is actual Killzone gameplay quality footage, I will be getting PS3 just for that game period.
Even for a cinematic trailer it was heart stopping. Im thinkin no that was pure CGI. Still made me wanna enlist though
That shit was so scripted it couldn't possibly be real gameplay footage. Besides, guerilla-games(the developers), haven't proven themselves to the gaming community. The two games they have under their belt, killzone and shellshock: nam 67, have gotten all-around lackluster reviews. Maybe they can pull something special off with Killzone 2, but I wouldn't count on it. It may have awesome graphics, but considering their previous games, the gameplay will suck.
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I dont know about you but the fight night video with the rippling skin and crap did indeed look pretty awsome....although as far as killzone goes i think that it is kinda a mix of cg and gameplay cuase some of it did not look cg really...and the power the ps3 gives out its utterly amazing even if those stats are just raw power stats and not really what they would be understress...besides have you seen gears of war for the 360? it looks so dang cool and that IS gameplay footage whoes to say a console that comes out later with better specs cant best it?
Remember how great the PS2 graphics looked before release? Well, after the release most PC games were already more advanced.
I might get a console if you can plug a monitor, keyboard and mouse on it...wait that's a PC. I mean how lame can online gaming be without a keyboard/mouse? Aiming with a controller is shite and you can't even chat with other players without a headset.
"We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars"
- Oscar Wilde
Lol yeah sony has stated that the ps3 dev kits were given out a while ago. That other guy doesnt know what the hell hes talking about.
They build all the chips in one factory. In the end, they only pay for labor and materials. They could probably build one unit for 80-120 dollars.
What I am worried about is the blu-ray drive. It is new technology and blu ray drives go for hundreds of dollars. Not sure how that will work.
I absolutely guarantee that if it's one dollar over 299.99, I will buy you one Kiamde. Take that to the bank. As for its production cost, it WILL be far more than its retail price. In the case of the PS2 and XBOX both, each cost roughly $150 more (about $450 total) to make than it retailed for at launch. It's the razor/razor blade theory. They take the loss on the console and and make it back on the games. That's just how it works.
I'm thinking it's going to sell for about $500...but I still subscribe to the theory, but for different reasons. Sony is pushing Blu-Ray hard right now. Just as they did for DVD. They'll take a loss on the console to push Blu-Ray to be THE next gen format, and as such, make the money up from their movie department.
Everyone is referencing the Killzone video, why not bring up the Unreal demo during te Sony conference. They showed it was done in real time.
No console will be over 350.00. It is not economical. Gamers buy consoles because they can get 3 times the bang for their buck over PC parts. You know nothing about the industry if you believe in 500 dollar prices.
"Whoever controls the media controls the mind..-'Jim Morrison"
"When decorum is repression, the only dignity free men have is to speak out." ~Abbie Hoffman
uh wtf is that supposed to mean?? "Is this the ps2 all over again?"
Was this post just to get your rating up or something cause it's a pointless meaningless comment.
If you mean are they gonna have all the latest phatest games, or do you mean the graphics are going to be killer? or do you mean ... dam man, wtf DO you mean... apologies but, people who post just to post piss me off...
Greeeeeeeat... This poster can't even type in english. My god people, can we learn some english or just don't post.. this kinda post hurts my brain...
Another post abortion... wish someone would finish the job...
Well the graphics for the PS3 is slightly over double GeForce 6800 Ultra's, and that would cost 1000 dollars alone... So I wouldn't be suprised if it's higher than that.
Also, Sony is trying to put a large emphasis on the idea that it's a supercomputer. Mainly because, when you hear the word console, 300 dollars or so comes to mind, price wise. But when you hear computer, it would seem reasonable to pay over a grand or 2 for one.
LMFAO - super computer my ass... this would qualify as a gaming computer at most...
don't get me wrong it looks awesome but, you guys need to learn your terminology or just don't use it at all... "super computer" sneaker...
Well the graphics for the PS3 is slightly over double GeForce 6800 Ultra's, and that would cost 1000 dollars alone... So I wouldn't be suprised if it's higher than that.
Also, Sony is trying to put a large emphasis on the idea that it's a supercomputer. Mainly because, when you hear the word console, 300 dollars or so comes to mind, price wise. But when you hear computer, it would seem reasonable to pay over a grand or 2 for one.
LMFAO - super computer my ass... this would qualify as a gaming computer at most...
don't get me wrong it looks awesome but, you guys need to learn your terminology or just don't use it at all... "super computer" sneaker...
While it may not be a supercomputer in the exact context of the word, compared to todays PCs and home consoles it IS a supercomputer. Look at the specs for it. The top computer in the WORLD can process 36 TFLOPS per clock, the Cell can Process 2 TFLOPS.
And just because that's true doesn't mean that it can't be in-game footage.
Don't you people remember the Half-Life 2 and the Halo 2 early in-game videos? They didn't have the in-game HUD showing ammo and stuff... They wanted it to look better and also, perhaps, to keep their HUD a secret until closer to launch.
To me, the Killzone video looks a lot like Halo 1... ie, Truth and Reconciliation. You start out on the ship, able to move and look out the ship. You can see other people moving and fighting in real-time. Thus, I think it is actual in-game footage.
As far as the first video posted, I'm positive most of that is actually cinematic.
And I'm veeeeery surprised by that FFVII video. It would be great if they remade it with better graphics.
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Io ardo, e l'arsion mia non par di fore."
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