Originally posted by Knotwood When some people compare old school games to ESO, they might only see mechanics, but there is a vision. That vision is what I love and talk about. its a old school vision that has no mechanical limits on it, it is not the way you swing your sword, or how you press the x button or see a UI...
"Vision" is what piss poor developers claim they have while real developers just do the best that they can the way they want to without the burdens of the past or the expectations of the materialistic present. That said they dun goofed terribly with this game in my opinion... for the shit-tastic combat alone they should've stuck to B2P.
Knotwood, at times you sound like the Shill of Shills.
ESO is not EQ; not even close.
It is a linear game; not as bad as SW-TOR or AoC, but not free roaming gameplay like the Elder Scolls games, either.
It is not the Second Coming (TM).
Let it be what it is and quit trying to hype it so much.
It did read like an advertisement didn't it?
ESO doesn't have anything old school about it other than the world being cut up into closed off pieces like DaoC. none of the depth in any category is there outside of lore and it falls far short of most old school MMOs in every major category of gameplay, skills, spells, crafting, combat, RPing tools...all were better in older games.
Kids these days don't appreciate what made the core of those experiences, fun and adventure.
Both of which you can't get if you rush to cap in 1 day and say the game sucks.
I will be playing TESO carefully and enjoying it for months, the way it is meant to be played.
You know that several players already hit lvl 50 in TESO right?
Any game can be played carefully and enjoyed over the months..depends upon how slow you want to go. As already beens aid several times all of us are not kids and nope ESO isn't anything like old school MMOS.
As I played over the last few days, I realized something more. I've grown older since I started playing MMORPG's. Quite a bit older. Old enough to call myself an old school gamer.
I grew up in the days when Movies like Conan the Barbarian, Willow, Dragon Slayer, Legend, Lady Hawke, The Beastmaster, King Authur, and countless Mythology movies that were all Top Movie Hits. Those were the days of High Adventure. This is what we loved in the old school days of D&D and gaming.
When EQ came out it was like the adventures we got to see in epic high adventure type movies, soon after we seen EQOA and other games of that genre. These games appealed to old schoolers, as time moved on, SOE created the monster EQ2 and WoW came out which started a path away from HIgh Adventure. Then came Age of Conan, a game which was wholely unfinished, and hurt the Old School games, not because it wasn't great, but because of hits horrible launch.
Old schoolers then seen a movment of the MMO industry away from High adventure titles, until LOTRO. It was the beacon of hope for Old Schoolers, and till this day, both EQ and LOTRO are still strong. Since then we have seen Movies like Lord of the Rings do really well in theaters and TV series Game of Thrones, which is a #1 hit, which brought a glimmer of hope to my eyes once again, seeing that old school money and instrest is not completely dead!
For many years I felt as though the MMO industry had forgotten that we old schoolers who loved High Adventure still existed in the shadows of many other games. Then came my greatest hope yet.... ESO. ESO means more then just another MMO, it represents all the things I loved growing up in High Adventure and what Old School Adventure is like. ESO has brought that back to us as old schoolers, and gave us a masterpiece we have been waiting for, for a long time.
So when I hear someone whos younger say that ESO sucks, it feel its because they did not grow up in my days. Where the Music was that of High Adventure, like in movies of Conan the Barbarian or the rest I listed. To sit back and hear music that inspires high adventure and can tell a story on its own is a truly beautiful art that has been lost over the past decade. Or a game that can tell a story that gives you the feeling of actually being in a move of the old school day movies. Its a wonder to be in a game of this quality that is Old School at its heart and is a dream come true, to see the voice overs, the sights in the world that are so real looking that every detail on a building or on the horizon takes you right to High Adventure days. To me this is the next gen Old School game I have been waiting a decade to see come true!
For that I want to say Thank you Zenimax for not giving up on the Old School players and stayed true to the feeling and immersion of the old school days of High Adventure!!! I feel there will be a lot of others who feel the same as I do....
I'm an oldschool gamer and I totally disagree with you. If you want to discount all the critics as kids, you don't know what you're talking about.
In the old school, we didn't have our hands held. We didn't have a linear path to winning.. This is a garbage game and I'm disgusted with it and you.
I'm surprised someone with a Yoda themed web presence doesn't get just how off this type of response is. The second coming is completely personal, it may very well be Knot's favorite game ever. What you think of that means little.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I'm one of these old school gamers and TESO is far from anything remotely close to what old school mmo used to be. This is as linear and themeparkish as it gets and far enough from an actual TES game to not have any sand box elements. And no combat skill sets don't make a game a sandbox.
This is another failed cash grab. Not tricking this old school gamer again. Not after my new hope was smashed by Tortanic.
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I don't mean this as snark or sarcasm; I'd really like it if you came back in 6 months to re-review the game. Something tells me the 1st date fuzzies are in full swing, but MMO's are a long term commitment. What you, or anyone else thinks will be much more important to me when the game has been around awhile.
Again, no personal offense. I've had "new game fuzzies" myself. Maybe ESO is more than that, but only time will tell.
OP I wouldn't call this old school. Don't get me wrong. I think this is an excellent game, and in my opinion it is probably the best game released in several years. However, it doesn't have the grind, and harsh death systems of older games. It is what I could consider a good balance between the freedom of choice the players had in their class in the older game combined with a good questing experience more common in newer games. It does a good job of making it feel like you aren't on a themepark ride, but it is just a disguise. You can go outside of it, but it is much easier to go with it. Like I said I enjoy the game and I think I will be playing it for a long time, but it doesn't have the harsh systems of EQ which would be needed for most people to consider it old school. It is the game I have been waiting on though. I haven't enjoyed a game this much since SWG.
lol ESO is just another themepark with a few sandbox elements sprinkled in there, Mortal Online is closer than to the Elders Scrolls games with the free roaming and stuff than this wannabe wow clone pos...
Originally posted by Traugar OP I wouldn't call this old school. Don't get me wrong. I think this is an excellent game, and in my opinion it is probably the best game released in several years. However, it doesn't have the grind, and harsh death systems of older games. It is what I could consider a good balance between the freedom of choice the players had in their class in the older game combined with a good questing experience more common in newer games. It does a good job of making it feel like you aren't on a themepark ride, but it is just a disguise. You can go outside of it, but it is much easier to go with it. Like I said I enjoy the game and I think I will be playing it for a long time, but it doesn't have the harsh systems of EQ which would be needed for most people to consider it old school. It is the game I have been waiting on though. I haven't enjoyed a game this much since SWG.
I am an old school MMO 'vet' (ha) and the OP leaves me scratching my head. Granted, I'm super glad you are enjoying it, but I couldn't disagree more. To each their own, all perspectives are different, tis' the eye of the beholder.
I'm pretty versed in old mmorpgs, and there has not been any released since lotro. LotrO has all of the core elements of a an Asheron calls sequel minus the pvp.
TESO is a single play cop title with a hybrid combat system that felt fun for minute.
Every time I see your posts I see a cookie cutter reply to the negative aspects of the thread. This is your ESO negative cookie....
Always wrong, but always posting...congrats.
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
I wouldn't call this Old school. But it is the closest we've gotten in a long while.
I actually died in the game!!!! You don't know what i mean???? I mean my char died!!!
This is not GW2 where you only die in pvp. You actually have to play to your strength. When have you EVER died in an mmo nowadays??? NEVER. Thats what makes MMO's a joke to most players. Finally you have to build a char.
As I played over the last few days, I realized something more. I've grown older since I started playing MMORPG's. Quite a bit older. Old enough to call myself an old school gamer.
I grew up in the days when Movies like Conan the Barbarian, Willow, Dragon Slayer, Legend, Lady Hawke, The Beastmaster, King Authur, and countless Mythology movies that were all Top Movie Hits. Those were the days of High Adventure. This is what we loved in the old school days of D&D and gaming.
When EQ came out it was like the adventures we got to see in epic high adventure type movies, soon after we seen EQOA and other games of that genre. These games appealed to old schoolers, as time moved on, SOE created the monster EQ2 and WoW came out which started a path away from HIgh Adventure. Then came Age of Conan, a game which was wholely unfinished, and hurt the Old School games, not because it wasn't great, but because of hits horrible launch.
Old schoolers then seen a movment of the MMO industry away from High adventure titles, until LOTRO. It was the beacon of hope for Old Schoolers, and till this day, both EQ and LOTRO are still strong. Since then we have seen Movies like Lord of the Rings do really well in theaters and TV series Game of Thrones, which is a #1 hit, which brought a glimmer of hope to my eyes once again, seeing that old school money and instrest is not completely dead!
For many years I felt as though the MMO industry had forgotten that we old schoolers who loved High Adventure still existed in the shadows of many other games. Then came my greatest hope yet.... ESO. ESO means more then just another MMO, it represents all the things I loved growing up in High Adventure and what Old School Adventure is like. ESO has brought that back to us as old schoolers, and gave us a masterpiece we have been waiting for, for a long time.
So when I hear someone whos younger say that ESO sucks, it feel its because they did not grow up in my days. Where the Music was that of High Adventure, like in movies of Conan the Barbarian or the rest I listed. To sit back and hear music that inspires high adventure and can tell a story on its own is a truly beautiful art that has been lost over the past decade. Or a game that can tell a story that gives you the feeling of actually being in a move of the old school day movies. Its a wonder to be in a game of this quality that is Old School at its heart and is a dream come true, to see the voice overs, the sights in the world that are so real looking that every detail on a building or on the horizon takes you right to High Adventure days. To me this is the next gen Old School game I have been waiting a decade to see come true!
For that I want to say Thank you Zenimax for not giving up on the Old School players and stayed true to the feeling and immersion of the old school days of High Adventure!!! I feel there will be a lot of others who feel the same as I do....
You used the term Old School 15 times...Are you trying to say something?
Originally posted by Dren_Utogi if old school you mean another linear themepark, that I can agree with that.
And again
Can you point out the non linear game play ? I'm wondering, or is it just pointing out that poeple have real opinion on something and it kills you not everyone is letting TESO butt seck them with a smile.
You never stated anything about linear game play in my response to you....so....no. But ESO is no more linear than most MMOs. You don't like that response of course....but you need to get used to the truth.
Originally posted by prowess
Originally posted by Dren_Utogi
Originally posted by Gestankfaust
Originally posted by Dren_Utogi if old school you mean another linear themepark, that I can agree with that.
And again
Can you point out the non linear game play ? I'm wondering, or is it just pointing out that poeple have real opinion on something and it kills you not everyone is letting TESO butt seck them with a smile.
Don't be silly... you know he has absolutely no argument for that, he's limited to just stating he disagrees... He may even ad hom you again soon...
Everyone knows that ESO is extremely restrictive and linear.. It's nothing more than a cash grab.
You...are just an idiot that decided to speak...so I got nothing for you.
"No more linear than most MMOs"... Meaning, you concede that it is linear...
It's a smidge less linear than SWTOR but more linear than WoW.
I hope ESO is the very last questgrind game ever made. I'm so sick of them and their lazy, boring approach to gaming.
I still listen to my Conan the Barbarian soundtrack from time to time. That soundtrack and the scores of music were beautifully created and emphasizes the movie that much more...epic feelings!
Originally posted by Dren_Utogi if old school you mean another linear themepark, that I can agree with that.
And again
Can you point out the non linear game play ? I'm wondering, or is it just pointing out that poeple have real opinion on something and it kills you not everyone is letting TESO butt seck them with a smile.
You never stated anything about linear game play in my response to you....so....no. But ESO is no more linear than most MMOs. You don't like that response of course....but you need to get used to the truth.
Originally posted by prowess
Originally posted by Dren_Utogi
Originally posted by Gestankfaust
Originally posted by Dren_Utogi if old school you mean another linear themepark, that I can agree with that.
And again
Can you point out the non linear game play ? I'm wondering, or is it just pointing out that poeple have real opinion on something and it kills you not everyone is letting TESO butt seck them with a smile.
Don't be silly... you know he has absolutely no argument for that, he's limited to just stating he disagrees... He may even ad hom you again soon...
Everyone knows that ESO is extremely restrictive and linear.. It's nothing more than a cash grab.
You...are just an idiot that decided to speak...so I got nothing for you.
"No more linear than most MMOs"... Meaning, you concede that it is linear...
It's a smidge less linear than SWTOR but more linear than WoW.
I hope ESO is the very last questgrind game ever made. I'm so sick of them and their lazy, boring approach to gaming.
lol...so deluded are you. If I HAD to grade ESO in a linear base....I would say 3 for low. You would disagree cause that's how you are. But I have played the game and think it's not that linear. You do because you have an agenda against the game.
quest grind....lol
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
Originally posted by Dren_Utogi if old school you mean another linear themepark, that I can agree with that.
And again
Can you point out the non linear game play ? I'm wondering, or is it just pointing out that poeple have real opinion on something and it kills you not everyone is letting TESO butt seck them with a smile.
You never stated anything about linear game play in my response to you....so....no. But ESO is no more linear than most MMOs. You don't like that response of course....but you need to get used to the truth.
Originally posted by prowess
Originally posted by Dren_Utogi
Originally posted by Gestankfaust
Originally posted by Dren_Utogi if old school you mean another linear themepark, that I can agree with that.
And again
Can you point out the non linear game play ? I'm wondering, or is it just pointing out that poeple have real opinion on something and it kills you not everyone is letting TESO butt seck them with a smile.
Don't be silly... you know he has absolutely no argument for that, he's limited to just stating he disagrees... He may even ad hom you again soon...
Everyone knows that ESO is extremely restrictive and linear.. It's nothing more than a cash grab.
You...are just an idiot that decided to speak...so I got nothing for you.
"No more linear than most MMOs"... Meaning, you concede that it is linear...
It's a smidge less linear than SWTOR but more linear than WoW.
I hope ESO is the very last questgrind game ever made. I'm so sick of them and their lazy, boring approach to gaming.
lol...so deluded are you. If I HAD to grade ESO in a linear base....I would say 3 for low. You would disagree cause that's how you are. But I have played the game and think it's not that linear. You do because you have an agenda against the game.
quest grind....lol
How do you figure that I have an agenda against the game? I was psyched for this game. I was really excited when I got into the beta... then I was dismayed at the (disguised) auto-targetting system... I was extremely disappointed that it was a linear questgrind.. I was crushed that they opted for a class system with such a weak illusion of character builds..
Everything in the game is linear. I supply support for my arguments, you've done nothing but ridicule and disagree.
What makes you grade it low? I don't disagree for the sake of disagreeing but for reasons, including but not limited to, I've stated.
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Agreed, one of the worst in a long time.
It did read like an advertisement didn't it?
ESO doesn't have anything old school about it other than the world being cut up into closed off pieces like DaoC. none of the depth in any category is there outside of lore and it falls far short of most old school MMOs in every major category of gameplay, skills, spells, crafting, combat, RPing tools...all were better in older games.
Well said OP.
Kids these days don't appreciate what made the core of those experiences, fun and adventure.
Both of which you can't get if you rush to cap in 1 day and say the game sucks.
I will be playing TESO carefully and enjoying it for months, the way it is meant to be played.
You know that several players already hit lvl 50 in TESO right?
Any game can be played carefully and enjoyed over the months..depends upon how slow you want to go. As already beens aid several times all of us are not kids and nope ESO isn't anything like old school MMOS.
I'm an oldschool gamer and I totally disagree with you. If you want to discount all the critics as kids, you don't know what you're talking about.
In the old school, we didn't have our hands held. We didn't have a linear path to winning.. This is a garbage game and I'm disgusted with it and you.
I'm surprised someone with a Yoda themed web presence doesn't get just how off this type of response is. The second coming is completely personal, it may very well be Knot's favorite game ever. What you think of that means little.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I'm one of these old school gamers and TESO is far from anything remotely close to what old school mmo used to be. This is as linear and themeparkish as it gets and far enough from an actual TES game to not have any sand box elements. And no combat skill sets don't make a game a sandbox.
This is another failed cash grab. Not tricking this old school gamer again. Not after my new hope was smashed by Tortanic.
Playing: Smite, Marvel Heroes
Played: Nexus:Kingdom of the Winds, Everquest, DAoC, Everquest 2, WoW, Matrix Online, Vangaurd, SWG, DDO, EVE, Fallen Earth, LoTRo, CoX, Champions Online, WAR, Darkfall, Mortal Online, Guild Wars, Rift, Tera, Aion, AoC, Gods and Heroes, DCUO, FF14, TSW, SWTOR, GW2, Wildstar, ESO, ArcheAge
Waiting On: Nothing. Mmorpg's are dead.
I don't mean this as snark or sarcasm; I'd really like it if you came back in 6 months to re-review the game. Something tells me the 1st date fuzzies are in full swing, but MMO's are a long term commitment. What you, or anyone else thinks will be much more important to me when the game has been around awhile.
Again, no personal offense. I've had "new game fuzzies" myself. Maybe ESO is more than that, but only time will tell.
In the meantime, enjoy!
I played in the betas, been watching on twitch.....
- it is clanky, poorly animated, and lacking substance, just like old school mmorgs.
Something i can agree with.
Every time I see your posts I see a cookie cutter reply to the negative aspects of the thread. This is your ESO negative cookie....
Always wrong, but always posting...congrats.
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
I wouldn't call this Old school. But it is the closest we've gotten in a long while.
I actually died in the game!!!! You don't know what i mean???? I mean my char died!!!
This is not GW2 where you only die in pvp. You actually have to play to your strength. When have you EVER died in an mmo nowadays??? NEVER. Thats what makes MMO's a joke to most players. Finally you have to build a char.
But old school it is not.
And again
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
You used the term Old School 15 times...Are you trying to say something?
"No more linear than most MMOs"... Meaning, you concede that it is linear...
It's a smidge less linear than SWTOR but more linear than WoW.
I hope ESO is the very last questgrind game ever made. I'm so sick of them and their lazy, boring approach to gaming.
Yeah, like the 1st grader who tells the kindergartner, "I'm Old School"
lol...so deluded are you. If I HAD to grade ESO in a linear base....I would say 3 for low. You would disagree cause that's how you are. But I have played the game and think it's not that linear. You do because you have an agenda against the game.
quest grind....lol
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
How do you figure that I have an agenda against the game? I was psyched for this game. I was really excited when I got into the beta... then I was dismayed at the (disguised) auto-targetting system... I was extremely disappointed that it was a linear questgrind.. I was crushed that they opted for a class system with such a weak illusion of character builds..
Everything in the game is linear. I supply support for my arguments, you've done nothing but ridicule and disagree.
What makes you grade it low? I don't disagree for the sake of disagreeing but for reasons, including but not limited to, I've stated.