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About the subbing before thirty days are up
Distopia
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I'm thinking many have grown a bit used to the way some companies handle this today ( mostly F2P and older games that use trials like WOW). It used to be common place to have to put a CC in before even getting access to trials, EVE used be like that as well as DAOC.
Anyway this same complaint popped up in regard to TOR . I just noticed many saying this wasn't the case. I figured I'd look into that and found this.
for TOR...
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/336166/Read-this-Clarifying-1st-month-free.html
Rift
DCuo
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
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I know for a fact FF14 you didn't have to enter any details till 30 days up because I passed it tried to log in and then realised I had not entered any subscription details. My personal opinion is you have paid the box price that comes with 30 days of play time until that 30 days is up you should not be pestered at all about any details maybe a reminder that your 30 days are running out a day or two before it runs out.
But then again its all about money they get you to sign up straight away even if you don't want to continue to play there is a chance they get there first payment before you realise and then its too late. Bit of a con but what else should we expect
Nope, been playing since 05, first a few trials then full using GTCs, and nowhere was it required to put in a CC and still isn't so donno where you got your facts from.
not sure why these threads keep popping up. this is standard practice among sub based mmo's
EQ, EQ2, wow, SWTOR all did this just to name a few.
Probably due to the confirmation 15$ charge.
Wasn't with City of Heroes in 06.
Made account, added the key that came with the box, played. Did not require any set up of payment plan, or application of time card, only needed the key that came with the game.
I know anecdote =/= reality. But I feel obliged to point out hyperbole doesn't either.
I recall creating an account in some games and entering a plan and cc number but they never tried to charge me or have some authorizing charge like Zenimax has done before the 30 days were up. Some games also only required a cc when the 30 days were up. Been playing since 1999. So I would say Zenimax is the first company that charged the cc even if it was to check it was valid before the 30 days. So they deserve the flak they are getting.
Also makes it difficult to trust them if they are already charging your card even before your 30 days are up.
I did not have to sub until my 30 days were up. They asked for nothing until then. I'd say 3 days before my 30 days were fixing to be up I got an email asking politly to sub when I have a chance. But , no, you do not have to sub to play your free 30 days yo'. Somebody is lying to you. And yes I play the game. My characters name is Allacore Demonhunter and i'm a level 45 Dragoon on the Cactuar server.
There were no facts really, just a false conclusion.
Basically:
FFXIV requires SE Account
SE Account without previous FFXIV installation receives 1 month free subscription
subscription time still remaining required to play
... somehow led to CC required.
Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.
I bougth my GF a copy of WoW recently when it went on sale, which brought with it 30 days of game time. She was able to play the 30 days without setting up a subscription plan. I think charging you before the 30 days are over is wrong. What if I intended to play for 30 days and move on?
We also set up three FF14 accounts when it came out and we werent charged a subscription fee before the 30 days were up.
Maybe I was mistaken about FFXIV I know for certain you had to in TOR and many others.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Did I say all games do it that way? NO, just that it's not out of the norm, how is that Hyperbole?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Entering a CC, getting charge $1 verification charge =/= Entering a CC, getting charged your 30 day sub price, before your 30 days that came with the game is up.
Yes, players have a right to be upset.
Being asked to enter a game time card before you play your 30 days that come with the game is TOTALLY out of line also.
Players again have a right to be upset.
From the threads I have been seeing these are the things happening.
Players should be upset.
(On a personal note, I was checking out their site the other day, and see that for $14.99 you can have a tan horse. On launch day they are selling mounts. To me that is only a sign of things to come, and gives credence to the "ESO is a money grab argument". Just my opinion on that though)
WOW doesn't anymore, but I agree, like I said I think people have just grown used to jumping in and playing without many hurdles, F2P and the like. WOW and older games today usually just do the free trial route and simply charge 14.99 to start fully EVE does it that way now as well, which they used to require CC just to start playing the trial.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Generally when someone asserts a "norm" the assumption is that it is "most often that way". Your OP claims that "gamers shouldn't feel upset because this is the norm", seems quite hyperbolic to me. I read it as "Games are always like this".
TOR yeah. But that is EA, I would expect no less from them. I'm not buying another EA game, for what it's worth, given their direction (in many areas, not just treating customers like poop).
Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.
This is in reference to today, (people locked out). Not the CC charges a few days ago.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I said it used to be.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Here's another example
https://forums.station.sony.com/dcuo/index.php?threads/how-do-i-get-my-30-day-trial-without-a-credit-card.23355/
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I just started playing FF14 a little less than a month ago.
I have yet to set up any form of a subscription plan.
I wasn't even required to give SE any credit card information. I purchased my first copy off of PSN for the PS3, no CC needed by SE to play the first 30 days. I purchased a second copy for the PC, still no CC asked for by SE to set up a sub.
Yeah I removed FFXIV, I was mistaken about it, what confused me was a thread I saw on steam about someone who said they had to start a sub to start up, I didn't realize the guy was a returning 1.0 player until I read further after already adding FFXIV to this.
Either way I still stand by the point here, Just about every SOE game used to require this when they were sub only, Rift, TOR, I think AOC when it was sub only. DAOC, EVE (used to ), etc...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I dont have an issue with you having to verify by entering your CC details. It is a normal thing. My issue is when they then draw the full amount equal to 1 month of subscription.. That is what happened to me when i signed up for TESO. It said 0 DKK(im from denmark btw) on the TESO account page and then on the paypal page it wanted 99DKK which is equal to a month subscription. Normaly they(by they i mean everything else) put a charge of 1DKK on it to verify the card is authentic and thats it. It pisses me off a bit because im using a debit card so that money will be locked down for along time.
Besides that though the game has been pretty fun.
Yeah I agree with you on that, it was a huge oversight/failure on their part.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
when i sub to a mmorpg i was never charged till the 30 days ran out.,not even a pre-authorization charge no one has ever done this before.than again no one has ever charged you for content in a sub game either.no has they came up with well if you pre-order you get this bene if not your screwed.pre order bene has always been cosmetics in nature never game content.