DAoC 2 with good PvE and questing in a Elder Scrolls world is a good way to put it. Now if they only add Darkness Falls type areas we would be in good shape.
DAoC 2 with good PvE and questing in a Elder Scrolls world is a good way to put it. Now if they only add Darkness Falls type areas we would be in good shape.
yep but in all the years it's still the only game to catch the intense rvr that daoc had back than and added new stuff to it also. gw2 was just boring in this regard for me.
OP, since you don't even seem to know about crafting, my advice is to read up on the game and watch videos. That's the best way to get a sense for the game. The people that like the game disagree with those that don't, and vice-versa.
You shouldn't be asking others to describe it to you, considering there's already a ton of info available. That's, IMHO, the best solution.
But i'll just say that if you enjoyed the above themeparks, you should enjoy ESO, mainly the leveling/questing. If you're not a themepark guy, then it may not be adviseable.
Every day he is posting how much he dislikes ESO and many others bash him for doing it.
Now he makes a post asking opinions about ESO and suddenly the same persons who were criticize him, are giving him opinions, forgetting they have bashed him before.
I love both Viadric and this forum
Exactly. Actually I cannot understand why some people hate ESO so passionately without having played it? Also, I can name by heart several posters who haven't played ESO but are camping it's forums - most of them dislike ESO of course. I'm not even ESO fanboy, although I like this game a lot so far, but constant bashing and trolling is just so bloody tiresome.
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Translation: No one is allowed an opinion that differs with mine...if they try it they are automatically discredited now that I have posted this.
OP, in my opinion (yes, I can think for myself) the game fights between being a single player game and an MMO. Honestly it could have done well as a single player game with co-op options and a multiplayer pvp area. In fact I would have preferred it that way. This is the first MMO I have played where having others around takes away from the immersion.
I am not sure I am going to be able to justify a subscription for it for these reasons.
I have played all of the games that you've listed in your post -- all to max level (and also Rift).
I'd say it is a breath of fresh air, but it depends on what you look for in games. ESO seems to heavily emphasize immersion, which I personally love in games. The crafting is insanely detailed and slow (and hard). Exploration off the beaten path is a big deal, in the sense that there are a ton of undocumented locations that you'll stumble upon - dungeons, ruins with magical enchantments, side-quests etc. Though the biggest surprise for me though is the quality of the questing. You could say that GW2 had some pretty interesting twists on the traditional quest structure, and that was pretty cool for a while, but ESO really has the best storytelling in quest form that I've ever come across. Pretty amazing actually.
One warning is that the leveling is extremely slow - so I've felt the rush to max level to be pretty well impossible, which strangely has forced me to forget about it and enjoy the leveling process more.
So it has a great crafting system? That's pretty cool to know. I always felt crafting was boring in most mmo's maybe this would be different.
I wouldn't say the crafting is great, I'd actually say it was rather poor, with some redeeming qualities.
With the Alchemy, you research new recipes through trial and error, learning about what traits certain materials give to potions. That's pretty much the only redeeming part of TESO's crafting. Enchanting is similar, but doesn't have as much variety/depth.
The Provisioning craft (cooking) consists of the standard learn the recipe then click it on a list to craft.
The remaining crafts are simply pick the item slot, choose the material, level, bonus attribute and style/skin you want, then craft it. Slightly different twist on the "pick from a list" of old, but equally bland. There is the option for improving an item, but that's pretty much taken from pay2win mmos, where the more of a specific crafting item you put in, the greater your chance of success (and failure destroys the item).
I really like the trial and error of Alchemy, I just wish the other crafts were as satisfying to partake in. Provisioning is the worst though, so many materials (which are awkward to farm), so little inventory space and no way (in game) to know what is useful or not.
Every day he is posting how much he dislikes ESO and many others bash him for doing it.
Now he makes a post asking opinions about ESO and suddenly the same persons who were criticize him, are giving him opinions, forgetting they have bashed him before.
I love both Viadric and this forum
Exactly. Actually I cannot understand why some people hate ESO so passionately without having played it? Also, I can name by heart several posters who haven't played ESO but are camping it's forums - most of them dislike ESO of course. I'm not even ESO fanboy, although I like this game a lot so far, but constant bashing and trolling is just so bloody tiresome.
The point is not Viadric himself, but the guys who were bashing him when he talked negative about ESO and now the same persons giving him their opinion.
Every day he is posting how much he dislikes ESO and many others bash him for doing it.
Now he makes a post asking opinions about ESO and suddenly the same persons who were criticize him, are giving him opinions, forgetting they have bashed him before.
I love both Viadric and this forum
Exactly. Actually I cannot understand why some people hate ESO so passionately without having played it? Also, I can name by heart several posters who haven't played ESO but are camping it's forums - most of them dislike ESO of course. I'm not even ESO fanboy, although I like this game a lot so far, but constant bashing and trolling is just so bloody tiresome.
The point is not Viadric himself, but the guys who were bashing him when he talked negative about ESO and now the same persons giving him their opinion.
Its a crazy world
No it's not crazy. Camping game's forums only to bait and flame is crazy. Also, you yourself have said that you dislike ESO, so what are you doing in every single ESO thread if the game is not for you? Honestly I cannot understand such devotion or more likely obsession. I dislike most MMOs, especially Asian ones, and actually liked only a few since EQ but I'm not spending my time spitting poison there.
Every day he is posting how much he dislikes ESO and many others bash him for doing it.
Now he makes a post asking opinions about ESO and suddenly the same persons who were criticize him, are giving him opinions, forgetting they have bashed him before.
I love both Viadric and this forum
Exactly. Actually I cannot understand why some people hate ESO so passionately without having played it? Also, I can name by heart several posters who haven't played ESO but are camping it's forums - most of them dislike ESO of course. I'm not even ESO fanboy, although I like this game a lot so far, but constant bashing and trolling is just so bloody tiresome.
The point is not Viadric himself, but the guys who were bashing him when he talked negative about ESO and now the same persons giving him their opinion.
Its a crazy world
Or because instead of being negative he actually asked a legit question, hence people giving them their opinions.
Negativity breeds negativity. It's human nature to respond in the same tone reflected by the original statement. Ask an honest question, get an honest answer. Be a dick, get treated like one. It's as simple as that. Nothing crazy about it.
As for the original question:
I would describe it as a change of progression. Most MMOs have quests that are merely one-offs that don't really tie into the over all story. ESO quests seem to tie into each other and the overall lore of the zone you are in. I was not and still am mot really fond of the combat system, but I keep wanting to see the next part of the story. In other MMOs it was "Hurry up, get to end game for lewtz!" and the stories within each quest were easily ignored because they really didn't matter much or have any sort of hook. Will I eventually get tired of the game? Sure. But by then I would have gotten my moneys worth.
There are 3 types of people in the world. 1.) Those who make things happen 2.) Those who watch things happen 3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
Caution. This site is currently experiencing a high concentration of ESO bashers. Move calmly towards the nearest exit, and find a credible gaming channel on youtube for a more accurate assessment of the game.
Thank you for your cooperation.
Translation: No one is allowed an opinion that differs with mine...if they try it they are automatically discredited now that I have posted this.
OP, in my opinion (yes, I can think for myself) the game fights between being a single player game and an MMO. Honestly it could have done well as a single player game with co-op options and a multiplayer pvp area. In fact I would have preferred it that way. This is the first MMO I have played where having others around takes away from the immersion.
I am not sure I am going to be able to justify a subscription for it for these reasons.
So you are saying it would of been better off as a single player experience?
Id describe the game as a walking simulator. Yep, fits pretty well. You walk around A LOT and only fight very very rarely.
MMOs finally replaced social interaction, forced grouping and standing in a line while talking to eachother.
Now we have forced soloing, forced questing and everyone is the hero, without ever having to talk to anyone else. The evolution of multiplayer is here! We won,... right?
To someone who has only played WOW, GW2 ,SWTOR, and AOC.
Like is it a breath of fresh air?
Or is it your typical themepark rush to max level gear treadmill?
Questing thus far is great. There are literally 3 dungeons every 5-8 levels that get better as you level. Then there are about 6-7 public dungeons in each zone with 4-5 of them being very easy and 1 of them being fairly hard. Then there are 3-4 world bosses in the outside world per zone. Then there are Dark Anchors that spawn. Then Dark Portals which are mini versions of Dark Anchors that spawn. All this on top of the RPGesque questing in the game with stories comparable or even better than TES games and Dragon Age.
The questing in this game is by far the best questing in a themepark MMO. There is a lot to do at all times and everywhere. Sometimes it can be overwhelming. And the beautiful part is it doesn't feel gamey, it feels like a natural world with day and night cycles and weather patterns like sand storms in Al'Akir. Everything feels natural and immersive. You won't get a pop up on the middle of the screen telling you when a thing occurs or telling you what to do.
End game is the missing variable, but they nailed leveling. It is a explorers paradise.
I'd disagree with most of that. The dungeons I have done (1st 3) were boring. The 3rd of those was bugged (banished cells) so I can't really comment, but doesn't look promising. Public dungeons are a bit of a joke because they are overpopulated atm (no challenge, just wait for the zerg.) World Bosses are lulz. Sure you can't solo them, but they are not world bosses that I remember from WoW vanilla (see Azuregos or the other guy in the sound by sunken temple). Again wait for 2-3 players to help and its ez. No real strategy required. Dark anchors-- again no challenge and its boring.
There is a lot to do yes, but its pretty much dull and meaningless. Filling your map with icons that change from black to white is not exploring. Pretty much everyone's experience in any given zone will play out the same way.
Sorry to break your bubble but this is the case for every game. People's experiences will be the same for the most part. This is the case for 99% of the MMOs on this website. Let's give it a 1% tolerance in case some game actually allows for a very different experience for each player when walking through a zone. Certainly none of the major MMOs offered that. Same for most singleplyer games for that matter.
Why do people hate it when other people experience the game in the same way? How does it affect YOUR experience?
Mission in life: Vanquish all MMORPG.com trolls - especially TESO, WOW and GW2 trolls.
The game is good, its just riddled with bugs. Never seen a more buggy game before, its bugged in every aspect I've encountered so far. The problem with these bugs is that they impact gameplay a lot and even block your progress.
I would wait a few months before buying ESO, unless you want to pay for a BETA. It will be a great game, just isn't at the moment.
I love the combat, I like the openness and the ability to just go anywhere. I always like the Elder Scrolls Lore (what little I knew about it) and I like the freedom in making a character the way I want to make it. I can be a dual weld sorc that wears heavy armor or I could be a staff carrying nightblade in med armor. Also since I pre-ordered I get to choose any race I want. Shocking I know!
The graphics are awesome and the music is great.
The PvP is the best I have played, and I have played plenty of PvP in MMOs in the past 11 years.
The voice acting is not bad and the quests are quite fun once you get past the starter islands.
It is not the perfect game and it will not be the WoW killer that many are still looking for, but it is fun and is a breath of fresh air.
"I don't give a sh*t what other people say. I play what I like and I'll pay to do it too!" - SerialMMOist
Every day he is posting how much he dislikes ESO and many others bash him for doing it.
Now he makes a post asking opinions about ESO and suddenly the same persons who were criticize him, are giving him opinions, forgetting they have bashed him before.
I love both Viadric and this forum
Exactly. Actually I cannot understand why some people hate ESO so passionately without having played it? Also, I can name by heart several posters who haven't played ESO but are camping it's forums - most of them dislike ESO of course. I'm not even ESO fanboy, although I like this game a lot so far, but constant bashing and trolling is just so bloody tiresome.
The point is not Viadric himself, but the guys who were bashing him when he talked negative about ESO and now the same persons giving him their opinion.
Its a crazy world
Maybe because no one really attacked him or had a problem with him, they instead had a problem with what he said and attacked what he said in the past. I guess they feel there's no reason to hold personal grudges?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
It's a breath of fresh air for the questing alone. I'm not even racing to level cap because I'm actually having fun doing quests, which is something I've not experienced in quite some time.
Caution. This site is currently experiencing a high concentration of ESO bashers. Move calmly towards the nearest exit, and find a credible gaming channel on youtube for a more accurate assessment of the game.
Thank you for your cooperation.
Translation: No one is allowed an opinion that differs with mine...if they try it they are automatically discredited now that I have posted this.
OP, in my opinion (yes, I can think for myself) the game fights between being a single player game and an MMO. Honestly it could have done well as a single player game with co-op options and a multiplayer pvp area. In fact I would have preferred it that way. This is the first MMO I have played where having others around takes away from the immersion.
I am not sure I am going to be able to justify a subscription for it for these reasons.
So you are saying it would of been better off as a single player experience?
Most of the time yes, I feel that way. I like when I am alone exploring the world and don't have 20 people doing the same thing I am doing....dragging around the same quest NPC, etc. The MMO experience just was not done well. I just don't think it warrants a sub at this point because it simply plays too much like a single player game. The jury is still out though for me.
Pretty much everyone's experience in any given zone will play out the same way.
Sorry to break your bubble but this is the case for every game.
But not every game is selling the Elder Scrolls name. Seems the majority of people having issues with accepting this game are TES fans. It looks and plays enough like TES to expect more TES out of it....when it doesn't come it just does not feel right.
I have not bought this game nor will I ever buy it. With that said I am really sorry that it has had a rough launch for everyone (at least what I have read so far). I will describe this game the only way I can.
I feel like I am on a bus driving uptown through the ghetto, I am looking out the bus window and just amused at the chaos.
I laugh at your frustrations, sorry
Good luck with ESO, hopeful all you hard fans get a game that is polished some day.
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DAoC 2 with good PvE and questing in a Elder Scrolls world is a good way to put it. Now if they only add Darkness Falls type areas we would be in good shape.
yep
but in all the years it's still the only game to catch the intense rvr that daoc had back than and added new stuff to it also. gw2 was just boring in this regard for me.
OP, since you don't even seem to know about crafting, my advice is to read up on the game and watch videos. That's the best way to get a sense for the game. The people that like the game disagree with those that don't, and vice-versa.
You shouldn't be asking others to describe it to you, considering there's already a ton of info available. That's, IMHO, the best solution.
But i'll just say that if you enjoyed the above themeparks, you should enjoy ESO, mainly the leveling/questing. If you're not a themepark guy, then it may not be adviseable.
Exactly. Actually I cannot understand why some people hate ESO so passionately without having played it? Also, I can name by heart several posters who haven't played ESO but are camping it's forums - most of them dislike ESO of course. I'm not even ESO fanboy, although I like this game a lot so far, but constant bashing and trolling is just so bloody tiresome.
Translation: No one is allowed an opinion that differs with mine...if they try it they are automatically discredited now that I have posted this.
OP, in my opinion (yes, I can think for myself) the game fights between being a single player game and an MMO. Honestly it could have done well as a single player game with co-op options and a multiplayer pvp area. In fact I would have preferred it that way. This is the first MMO I have played where having others around takes away from the immersion.
I am not sure I am going to be able to justify a subscription for it for these reasons.
I wouldn't say the crafting is great, I'd actually say it was rather poor, with some redeeming qualities.
With the Alchemy, you research new recipes through trial and error, learning about what traits certain materials give to potions. That's pretty much the only redeeming part of TESO's crafting. Enchanting is similar, but doesn't have as much variety/depth.
The Provisioning craft (cooking) consists of the standard learn the recipe then click it on a list to craft.
The remaining crafts are simply pick the item slot, choose the material, level, bonus attribute and style/skin you want, then craft it. Slightly different twist on the "pick from a list" of old, but equally bland. There is the option for improving an item, but that's pretty much taken from pay2win mmos, where the more of a specific crafting item you put in, the greater your chance of success (and failure destroys the item).
I really like the trial and error of Alchemy, I just wish the other crafts were as satisfying to partake in. Provisioning is the worst though, so many materials (which are awkward to farm), so little inventory space and no way (in game) to know what is useful or not.
The point is not Viadric himself, but the guys who were bashing him when he talked negative about ESO and now the same persons giving him their opinion.
Its a crazy world
No it's not crazy. Camping game's forums only to bait and flame is crazy. Also, you yourself have said that you dislike ESO, so what are you doing in every single ESO thread if the game is not for you? Honestly I cannot understand such devotion or more likely obsession. I dislike most MMOs, especially Asian ones, and actually liked only a few since EQ but I'm not spending my time spitting poison there.
Or because instead of being negative he actually asked a legit question, hence people giving them their opinions.
Negativity breeds negativity. It's human nature to respond in the same tone reflected by the original statement. Ask an honest question, get an honest answer. Be a dick, get treated like one. It's as simple as that. Nothing crazy about it.
As for the original question:
I would describe it as a change of progression. Most MMOs have quests that are merely one-offs that don't really tie into the over all story. ESO quests seem to tie into each other and the overall lore of the zone you are in. I was not and still am mot really fond of the combat system, but I keep wanting to see the next part of the story. In other MMOs it was "Hurry up, get to end game for lewtz!" and the stories within each quest were easily ignored because they really didn't matter much or have any sort of hook. Will I eventually get tired of the game? Sure. But by then I would have gotten my moneys worth.
There are 3 types of people in the world.
1.) Those who make things happen
2.) Those who watch things happen
3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
I will describe it as a fun game with its due share of problems. If you can look past those problems you will be fine.
So you are saying it would of been better off as a single player experience?
MMOs finally replaced social interaction, forced grouping and standing in a line while talking to eachother.
Now we have forced soloing, forced questing and everyone is the hero, without ever having to talk to anyone else. The evolution of multiplayer is here! We won,... right?
Sorry to break your bubble but this is the case for every game. People's experiences will be the same for the most part. This is the case for 99% of the MMOs on this website. Let's give it a 1% tolerance in case some game actually allows for a very different experience for each player when walking through a zone. Certainly none of the major MMOs offered that. Same for most singleplyer games for that matter.
Why do people hate it when other people experience the game in the same way? How does it affect YOUR experience?
Mission in life: Vanquish all MMORPG.com trolls - especially TESO, WOW and GW2 trolls.
The game is good, its just riddled with bugs. Never seen a more buggy game before, its bugged in every aspect I've encountered so far. The problem with these bugs is that they impact gameplay a lot and even block your progress.
I would wait a few months before buying ESO, unless you want to pay for a BETA. It will be a great game, just isn't at the moment.
Breath of fresh air.
I love the combat, I like the openness and the ability to just go anywhere. I always like the Elder Scrolls Lore (what little I knew about it) and I like the freedom in making a character the way I want to make it. I can be a dual weld sorc that wears heavy armor or I could be a staff carrying nightblade in med armor. Also since I pre-ordered I get to choose any race I want. Shocking I know!
The graphics are awesome and the music is great.
The PvP is the best I have played, and I have played plenty of PvP in MMOs in the past 11 years.
The voice acting is not bad and the quests are quite fun once you get past the starter islands.
It is not the perfect game and it will not be the WoW killer that many are still looking for, but it is fun and is a breath of fresh air.
"I don't give a sh*t what other people say. I play what I like and I'll pay to do it too!" - SerialMMOist
1. Wannabe something else but it simply is not
2. Bugged as hell
3. Dull
4. Boring endgame (can you call that thing endgame?)
5. Overpriced by any amount larger than zero. This would be decent f2p game but instead its another swtor
No fate but what we make, so make me a ham sandwich please.
No time to describe things.
I'm busy grinding endlessly.
Maybe because no one really attacked him or had a problem with him, they instead had a problem with what he said and attacked what he said in the past. I guess they feel there's no reason to hold personal grudges?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I love it. It's not 100% but it's close enough to DAoC to make me a happy player.
EDIT: I'm not racing to level cap. Taking my time and enjoying the trip to max level.
Most of the time yes, I feel that way. I like when I am alone exploring the world and don't have 20 people doing the same thing I am doing....dragging around the same quest NPC, etc. The MMO experience just was not done well. I just don't think it warrants a sub at this point because it simply plays too much like a single player game. The jury is still out though for me.
But not every game is selling the Elder Scrolls name. Seems the majority of people having issues with accepting this game are TES fans. It looks and plays enough like TES to expect more TES out of it....when it doesn't come it just does not feel right.
When I said i had "time", i meant virtual time, i got no RL "time" for you.
I have not bought this game nor will I ever buy it. With that said I am really sorry that it has had a rough launch for everyone (at least what I have read so far). I will describe this game the only way I can.
I feel like I am on a bus driving uptown through the ghetto, I am looking out the bus window and just amused at the chaos.
I laugh at your frustrations, sorry
Good luck with ESO, hopeful all you hard fans get a game that is polished some day.