So there is currently a big issue, at least in my mind, with the vampire/werewolf system.
There are currently many guilds/role-players camping out the werewolf/vamp spawns and immediately killing the mobs so that nobody can acquire the skill lines. They do this to either simply grief players or to drive up the price on buying a "bite" from someone who is already a vampire or werewolf.
Because of this issue, I finally gave in and decided to buy a bite.
There's no way to avoid being scammed since the use of the skill isn't tied to the trading system. The "standard" is for the biter to get all of the gold up front because they hold all the power. If you don't want to give them the gold up front, there's an infinite amount of other customers who will.
So, I paid some guy 15k to get bitten. I traded him the 15k and then in chat he said, "Now repeat after me...I am a moron" and then logged off.
I'm not at all salty over 15k gold since it isn't very much. I understood that getting scammed was possible and I felt 15k wasn't enough to not go through with it. I just find it disheartening that ZOS would encourage such actions because of how they designed the vamp/were system. I of course reported this player immediately with a screenshot of the last bit of the conversation (that quote and then him leaving the party and logging off). This was 5 days ago and I have yet to hear a response from ZOS. I highly doubt anything will happen to this player and I highly doubt I'll get my 15k gold back.
How do you guys feel about the way vampire/werewolf works right now? I personally don't find the current system fun in any way. It isn't fun camping a spawn with 200 other people that you know are just going to screw you over. It's not fun risking your currency to buy a skill line from another player. And lastly, it isn't fun playing a game that has a community of scammers and griefers. Scamming and griefing is 100% acceptable in full-loot sandbox MMOs...but ESO certainly isn't one of those.
Thoughts?
ouch. I feel for you man.
Sadly that is the flaw with PvE games. Players find ways to negatively impact you and you have little recourse but to complain on the forums/report them.
Is there one? Or is it whatever you can get away with like in EVE? Say you offer vamp bite for 20k, collect the gold, then walk away. Will ESO punish people for scamming or is it legit? Edit to add: I searched support and forums, but didn't see an answer.
Scamming violates our terms of service and we will address it accordingly.
You wanted the bite so bad you got worked. You got marked out. Your words.
The bites are rare, people are farming it and selling it to marks who are unlucky and impulsive. You couldn't wait to see how things pan out with slow ass Zenimax you took a setback. Nobody stole anything from you. You knowingly took a risk and crapped out. The guy called you a moron before he logged off. Consider it a 15,000 in game gold life lesson.
"As far as the forum code of conduct, I would think it's a bit outdated and in need of a refre *CLOSED*"
Is there one? Or is it whatever you can get away with like in EVE? Say you offer vamp bite for 20k, collect the gold, then walk away. Will ESO punish people for scamming or is it legit? Edit to add: I searched support and forums, but didn't see an answer.
Scamming violates our terms of service and we will address it accordingly.
Thanks for posting this... good to see an official stance on it. The guy who scammed me was banned...but I doubt I'll get my gold back. That's fine, it's my fault for risking it anyways.
You wanted the bite so bad you got worked. You got marked out. Your words.
The bites are rare, people are farming it and selling it to marks who are unlucky and impulsive. You couldn't wait to see how things pan out with slow ass Zenimax you took a setback. Nobody stole anything from you. You knowingly took a risk and crapped out. The guy called you a moron before he logged off. Consider it a 15,000 in game gold life lesson.
What is the life lesson?
The guy that scammed me had his account banned from the game. I still get to play and am having a lot of fun.
Is the life lesson that I should care about pixel based currency? Is the lesson that I should listen to people who refer to other players as "marks"? Is the lesson that stealing from people is ok, so long as what they stole isn't real? (in this case imaginary currency)
You wanted the bite so bad you got worked. You got marked out. Your words.
The bites are rare, people are farming it and selling it to marks who are unlucky and impulsive. You couldn't wait to see how things pan out with slow ass Zenimax you took a setback. Nobody stole anything from you. You knowingly took a risk and crapped out. The guy called you a moron before he logged off. Consider it a 15,000 in game gold life lesson.
What is the life lesson?
The guy that scammed me had his account banned from the game. I still get to play and am having a lot of fun.
Is the life lesson that I should care about pixel based currency? Is the lesson that I should listen to people who refer to other players as "marks"? Is the lesson that stealing from people is ok, so long as it isn't real?
Your life lesson is don't be an impulsive mark or people will take advantage you. You got marked out in 3 ways.
1) You paid for something that wasn't systemically supposed to be paid for.
2) You got price gouged.
3) You didn't get your product or your money back.
All this happened because you were impatient and impulsive and just HAD to have the bite NOW. Yes? Or you wouldn't have got caught up in the situation.
"As far as the forum code of conduct, I would think it's a bit outdated and in need of a refre *CLOSED*"
The world (The Real World) is just filled with all manner of different people.
The idea of me doing that to someone, or even thinking about doing it to someone makes me feel sick to the stomach.
I can just imagine that guy feeling good about himself, getting a buzz - laughing even... That he's a total jerk.
Just makes me feel actually sick, in the pit of my stomach, that there are people like that out there.. And they don't even think they are doing anything wrong.
Like my old neighbour.. Their family would actually steal things from our garden. Anything laying around.
Their mentality never made them aware they were doing wrong.. They never even thought they were doing wrong. They thought YOU were the one doing wrong by leaving something within their reach.
"You've messed up.. And I'm having that"
Some people see others being taken advantage of as their fault - they are the ones who did wrong, by trusting someone.
They don't acknowledge that they themselves are human filth.
I get a buzz out of being helpful to people. Of going out of my way to help them do something they couldn't have done without my help.
I don't feel good at all about being a total jerk.
Sickening.
"It's like a finger pointing away to the moon... Don't concentrate on the finger or you'll miss all the heavenly glory" (Bruce Lee)
(Insert your favourite mmo here): ......And behold, a pale horse.... And a million hellishly bad mmos followed with it.
I see 2 problems with this system from reading this
1. Dedicated spawn areas, for something of this nature, I agree its dumb the spawn in the same areas, and to me , I agree it seems really boring and not a whole lot of fun to camp any area for any reason in the open world.
2. for all those saying he deserved to get scammed, I do understand this is a game, but like everything, theres right and wrong in this world, I just switch it around, and ask, if in real life, you paid 15k for a car, and the guy said, ha too bad, no car for you, would you find this fair ? Paying for something and not getting what you paid for.
Game or not , real gold, fake gold, real money , fake money, any transaction should be honoured, without it the world would be total chaos.
Welp OP, it's your own fault. Buying something like this...you deserve what happened to you, plain and simple. Don't come bitching and moaning to a forum, especially this one, seeking gratification. I have no sympathy for players like you...you made your bed, now lie in it.
btw you keep saying he got banned due the fact he isnt coming up on your friends list.. you can ignore people and come up as offline to them.. or set yourself to "offline" mode and u dont appear online to them etc... unless you got a definitive response saying "we have taken action against his account resulting in a ban" then there is a good chance he didnt.
You wanted the bite so bad you got worked. You got marked out. Your words.
The bites are rare, people are farming it and selling it to marks who are unlucky and impulsive. You couldn't wait to see how things pan out with slow ass Zenimax you took a setback. Nobody stole anything from you. You knowingly took a risk and crapped out. The guy called you a moron before he logged off. Consider it a 15,000 in game gold life lesson.
What is the life lesson?
The guy that scammed me had his account banned from the game. I still get to play and am having a lot of fun.
Is the life lesson that I should care about pixel based currency? Is the lesson that I should listen to people who refer to other players as "marks"? Is the lesson that stealing from people is ok, so long as what they stole isn't real? (in this case imaginary currency)
Apparently you cared enough to make your own thread.
Usually when people dont' care they "dont' care", it's a non-issue and they just move on.
Your title is not "Zenimax's system for acquiring a vampire bite is flawed" it's "had 15k stolen from me".
Whether the "currency" has value beyond the game world or not is immaterial, clearly that is how you started off.
Look, you made a dumb mistake out of desperation. That's the lesson. Regardless of the severity of the issue.
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Originally posted by mbrodie btw you keep saying he got banned due the fact he isnt coming up on your friends list.. you can ignore people and come up as offline to them.. or set yourself to "offline" mode and u dont appear online to them etc... unless you got a definitive response saying "we have taken action against his account resulting in a ban" then there is a good chance he didnt.
I didn't know any of that. Regardless though, ZOS stated today that stealing gold for vamp/were bites for gold is against the ToS and would result in a ban. So I'm fairly confident the guy is gone.
I don't know why you're so hell bent on trying to make me upset...it isn't going to work. I've agreed with you multiple times throughout this thread and you just continue to bash. Not sure why.
This is just another symptom of a poorly designed system. It doesnt matter how many white knights bash those who have had a bad experience in the game due to this. The fact is they should not BE having a bad experience at the hands of scammers. Professional game design should negate this scenario entirely.
I feel sorry for you OP, regardless if gold isnt an issue, getting scammed is never acceptable. As a bite seller I understand the risk it is for the buyers, while as a seller is also have the chance of not getting payed. Ive recently sold a bite for 15k, the guy payed in advance though, which was a big step on his part.
move on to something else, they'll get bored and quit or go to sleep at some point. I hope they don't care bear the game down before I buy it because of people complaining about things like this.
Originally posted by mbrodie btw you keep saying he got banned due the fact he isnt coming up on your friends list.. you can ignore people and come up as offline to them.. or set yourself to "offline" mode and u dont appear online to them etc... unless you got a definitive response saying "we have taken action against his account resulting in a ban" then there is a good chance he didnt.
I didn't know any of that. Regardless though, ZOS stated today that stealing gold for vamp/were bites for gold is against the ToS and would result in a ban. So I'm fairly confident the guy is gone.
I don't know why you're so hell bent on trying to make me upset...it isn't going to work. I've agreed with you multiple times throughout this thread and you just continue to bash. Not sure why.
you're taking an objective point of view that goes against what you're saying as bashing and too personally, just because i dont agree with you doesnt mean i'm trying to upset you.. i'm giving you an alternate point of view how other people see the current systems etc...
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"Because of this issue, I finally gave in and decided to buy a bite."
"There's no way to avoid being scammed"
I just wanted to point out the contradiction. You we impulsive and got worked over for it.
I blame Twilight.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Read the thread, you're wrong.
ouch. I feel for you man.
Sadly that is the flaw with PvE games. Players find ways to negatively impact you and you have little recourse but to complain on the forums/report them.
To put it to rest here is the ZOS post recarding the issue. http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/comment/633198/#Comment_633198
ZOS_AlanG Administrator admin
TheSzerdi wrote: »
Is there one? Or is it whatever you can get away with like in EVE? Say you offer vamp bite for 20k, collect the gold, then walk away. Will ESO punish people for scamming or is it legit? Edit to add: I searched support and forums, but didn't see an answer.
Scamming violates our terms of service and we will address it accordingly.
You wanted the bite so bad you got worked. You got marked out. Your words.
The bites are rare, people are farming it and selling it to marks who are unlucky and impulsive. You couldn't wait to see how things pan out with slow ass Zenimax you took a setback. Nobody stole anything from you. You knowingly took a risk and crapped out. The guy called you a moron before he logged off. Consider it a 15,000 in game gold life lesson.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Thanks for posting this... good to see an official stance on it. The guy who scammed me was banned...but I doubt I'll get my gold back. That's fine, it's my fault for risking it anyways.
What is the life lesson?
The guy that scammed me had his account banned from the game. I still get to play and am having a lot of fun.
Is the life lesson that I should care about pixel based currency? Is the lesson that I should listen to people who refer to other players as "marks"? Is the lesson that stealing from people is ok, so long as what they stole isn't real? (in this case imaginary currency)
Your life lesson is don't be an impulsive mark or people will take advantage you. You got marked out in 3 ways.
1) You paid for something that wasn't systemically supposed to be paid for.
2) You got price gouged.
3) You didn't get your product or your money back.
All this happened because you were impatient and impulsive and just HAD to have the bite NOW. Yes? Or you wouldn't have got caught up in the situation.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The world (The Real World) is just filled with all manner of different people.
The idea of me doing that to someone, or even thinking about doing it to someone makes me feel sick to the stomach.
I can just imagine that guy feeling good about himself, getting a buzz - laughing even... That he's a total jerk.
Just makes me feel actually sick, in the pit of my stomach, that there are people like that out there.. And they don't even think they are doing anything wrong.
Like my old neighbour.. Their family would actually steal things from our garden. Anything laying around.
Their mentality never made them aware they were doing wrong.. They never even thought they were doing wrong. They thought YOU were the one doing wrong by leaving something within their reach.
"You've messed up.. And I'm having that"
Some people see others being taken advantage of as their fault - they are the ones who did wrong, by trusting someone.
They don't acknowledge that they themselves are human filth.
I get a buzz out of being helpful to people. Of going out of my way to help them do something they couldn't have done without my help.
I don't feel good at all about being a total jerk.
Sickening.
"It's like a finger pointing away to the moon... Don't concentrate on the finger or you'll miss all the heavenly glory" (Bruce Lee)
(Insert your favourite mmo here): ......And behold, a pale horse.... And a million hellishly bad mmos followed with it.
I see 2 problems with this system from reading this
1. Dedicated spawn areas, for something of this nature, I agree its dumb the spawn in the same areas, and to me , I agree it seems really boring and not a whole lot of fun to camp any area for any reason in the open world.
2. for all those saying he deserved to get scammed, I do understand this is a game, but like everything, theres right and wrong in this world, I just switch it around, and ask, if in real life, you paid 15k for a car, and the guy said, ha too bad, no car for you, would you find this fair ? Paying for something and not getting what you paid for.
Game or not , real gold, fake gold, real money , fake money, any transaction should be honoured, without it the world would be total chaos.
Apparently you cared enough to make your own thread.
Usually when people dont' care they "dont' care", it's a non-issue and they just move on.
Your title is not "Zenimax's system for acquiring a vampire bite is flawed" it's "had 15k stolen from me".
Whether the "currency" has value beyond the game world or not is immaterial, clearly that is how you started off.
Look, you made a dumb mistake out of desperation. That's the lesson. Regardless of the severity of the issue.
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It's so crap that game mechanics allow for people to camp the point... Remind me of those crappy Asian MMOs.
Premium MMORPGs do not feature built-in cheating via cash for gold pay 2 win. PLAY to win or don't play.
I didn't know any of that. Regardless though, ZOS stated today that stealing gold for vamp/were bites for gold is against the ToS and would result in a ban. So I'm fairly confident the guy is gone.
I don't know why you're so hell bent on trying to make me upset...it isn't going to work. I've agreed with you multiple times throughout this thread and you just continue to bash. Not sure why.
If it was easy to get, then it wouldn't be fun to get.
If you don't want to work towards long term things, then this game probably isn't for you, since it's a longer term game than most modern MMOs.
working towards things is cool. Having other players able to deny you content indefinitely, outsife of a pvp scenario should not be possible.
you're taking an objective point of view that goes against what you're saying as bashing and too personally, just because i dont agree with you doesnt mean i'm trying to upset you.. i'm giving you an alternate point of view how other people see the current systems etc...