scroll down to the "l" section and you will see .. yes, you guess it .. "league of legends".
Click on the link for it, and the information for it, and the first thing listed is MOBA.
Why does that mean it's not considered an mmo ?
No one is saying moba isn't a game type, they're saying mmo is a larger classification of games that also encompass mobas.
I guess the easier way to do it would be to call them mmoba ( like mmorpg ) but really it doesn't matter.
There are many people that call MMORPGs "MMOs" for short because orally, "MMORPG" is a little over the top. "MMO" isn't necessarily the umbrella term that some folks want it to be so desperately. Some FPS/TPS/RTS/MOBAs etc. do indeed have borrowed features and mechanics from MMORPGs, but that doesn't make them the same. MMORPGs have borrowed features and mechanics from other genres as well, but we don't refer to TERA, for example, as an FPS.
Also, don't get confused by the marketing; it happens all the time. Take the Automobile industry for instance. Cars are marketed as Sport Cars that aren't true Sport Cars all the time. It helps to sell more cars. Enthusiasts (and the industry) know better but the average guy is clueless/doesn't give a crap.
Hell, not too long ago Bill Murphy created a thread announcing that mmorpg.com was going to address this very issue with some big changes to the site's stance and how it handles the Games List.
There's a reason why Librarians don't just throw all the books into a pile in the centre of a Library. That would be idiotic.
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MMO = Massive Multiplayer Online , a lot of games fall into this catagory, why is this a problem for so many?
The first M stands for Massively, not Massive.
Also, the reason why this is a problem is because if every game that offers an online component would be called an MMO then almost every multiplayer game would be an MMO and the category would lose it's meaning and hence be pointless. There would be no distinction between a multiplayer game and a massively multiplayer game. So why even then have the latter?
It is simply a marketing ploy. They want to pretend it is an MMO to get more sales. It is like calling a regular car a luxury car, even if it isn't.
Ha.
Nice post, Yamota
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LoL and WoT are not MMOs... how did they get put into that catagory ?
Says who ? The industry seems to have decided they were a long time ago.
And why would we give a FUCK what the 'industry' says what they are?
LOL is not persistent and does not contain more than 10 players on the same map. How that can be categorized as MMO is beyond any common sense.
Because if a lot of people are using their definition, it would be convenient to do so.
Yes, LoL is not persistent and does not conttain more than 10 players on the same map. So is WoT. Since they are classified as MMOs, MMOs no longer need persistent worlds, nor more than 10 players on the same map.
Common usage trumps common sense .. obviously.
Doesn't matter how they label their games. If the general MMO player base disagrees, then they set the trend, not the developer. No matter how you or anyone else tries to twist terms, it won't matter diddly squat if no one listens or follows.
Doesn't matter how they label their games. If the general MMO player base disagrees, then they set the trend, not the developer. No matter how you or anyone else tries to twist terms, it won't matter diddly squat if no one listens or follows.
Who is disagreeing aside from a few people here? .. and this site clearly is not representative of the "general MMO player base".
If you have evidence of "the generall mmo player base disagree" .. (for example, a scientifically conducted survey with a big enough sample), please share.
Lol , anyways despite Mobas now being considered MMOs , which is entirely false and wrong, it isn't any suprise that candy crush saga and farmville 2 are up there, I'm just suprised that angry birds has fallen off in popularity =p.
*giggleS* Although, I personally still prefer the original farmville, even if it is a major time sink and all my crops are perma withered on it.
Originally posted by CaldrinLoL and WoT are not MMOs... how did they get put into that catagory ?
Yeah, that list is pretty much a fail. They didn't even bother finding out what an MMO was.
Why should they bother? It is more convenient, and it is not like most players care.
It's more confusing and thus less convenient. Plenty of people seem to care since they're constantly creating posts and threads on how annoying it is when someone considers non-MMO games MMOs.
I think somewhere along the line, the Term MMO has been used interchangeably with the term MOG.
Both WoW and LOL are MOGs, but there is nothing "Massively" about 5-10 people in an instance.
But you can argue that there are tens of thousands if not hundreds logged into the game at any given time. So then how important is it for the title MMO that all these online players be able to interact with each other in the same world?
While Kyleran is using a touch of hyperbole to add a bit of humor to the thread, I don't think he's too far off. Sooner or later someone's gonna say, "I saw them selling it on Ebay, therefore the game is "online".
(And yes, that too is hyperbole...........or is it?)
Edit:
Of course there is also something to be said about WoW evolving into a Massively Single Player Online Game that you can wave hello to Massive number of other players playing thier Massively Single Player Online Game at the same time.
So, why not? Let's lump them all together then. What does it matter anyway? Since hardly 2 players in the MMORPG genre can agree on what kind of game it should be in the 1st place.
Hmm does have a good point, whats the difference between WOW, LoL and all that, WoW is basicly a chatroom with 5man-25 man instances. While LoL lobby is a chat area and has 1-10 man games. pretty much the same thing to be honost when you think about it as that.
Originally posted by CaldrinLoL and WoT are not MMOs... how did they get put into that catagory ?
Yeah, that list is pretty much a fail. They didn't even bother finding out what an MMO was.
Why should they bother? It is more convenient, and it is not like most players care.
It's more confusing and thus less convenient. Plenty of people seem to care since they're constantly creating posts and threads on how annoying it is when someone considers non-MMO games MMOs.
he he he .. people here certainly do seem to care (or they just like forum pvp).
But i don't see a outcry when WoT is reviewed as a MMO everywhere. This place is not representative.
LoL and WoT are not MMOs... how did they get put into that catagory ?
from the Massive Multiplayer Online title what they miss ?
they miss massive multiplayer.
they are massive and have multiplayer but don't have massive multiplayer.
Simple, to the point, and sums it all up.
There is certainly a difference, marketing nonsense or not.
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For years MMORPG's have been RPG's with persistent worlds, always online, and large player bases on the same server. When I saw the label I know exactly what kind of game I am expecting. It was a very specific gaming experience I am expecting. No explanations needed.
What clearly defined Planetside as a MMOFPS vs. a regular FPS was the persistent world with large amounts of people playing on it at the same time. MMOX have always been defined by persistent worlds with large amounts of people at the same time. If you look games converted into MMOX this has always been the case from Neverwinter 1 to Minecraft to Just Cause 2.
If a website dedicated to NFL Football video games started to call all sports games NFL football because Madden has a monopoly on NFL Football people would call it dumb as well. Essentially your trying to make NFL Football which is pretty specific into generic term for all sports because you need advertisement revenue. This is what has happened with MMOX term but mostly with fantasy games. You'll see matched based fantasy games called MMOX over military like Call of Duty. Simply because demographics overlap that MMORPG players also play MOBA's.
The original article says this breakdown is of "The digital games market"
So Candy Crush, LoL and others are not MMOs. They deserve their own name, LoL is a MOBA, I have not got a clue what you would call Candy Crush.
The real problem comes when we get these compilation sites telling us that F2P transactions in MMOs are making more money than blah blah. They may well be counting Candy Crush as a MMO and therefore distorting the data.
The original article says this breakdown is of "The digital games market"
So Candy Crush, LoL and others are not MMOs. They deserve their own name, LoL is a MOBA, I have not got a clue what you would call Candy Crush.
The real problem comes when we get these compilation sites telling us that F2P transactions in MMOs are making more money than blah blah. They may well be counting Candy Crush as a MMO and therefore distorting the data.
They're not telling you anything. They are telling it to the people that understand the terminology, reports and data that they are looking at.
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The original article says this breakdown is of "The digital games market"
So Candy Crush, LoL and others are not MMOs. They deserve their own name, LoL is a MOBA, I have not got a clue what you would call Candy Crush.
The real problem comes when we get these compilation sites telling us that F2P transactions in MMOs are making more money than blah blah. They may well be counting Candy Crush as a MMO and therefore distorting the data.
They're not telling you anything. They are telling it to the people that understand the terminology, reports and data that they are looking at.
Which is then used by posters on here to make statements like "WoW will be F2P within 2 years". They are not sending this data to professionals in the industry marked 'private and confidential'.
They put their conclusions on websites without saying what companies the data comes from, leaving that data open to wild speculation.
The original article says this breakdown is of "The digital games market"
So Candy Crush, LoL and others are not MMOs. They deserve their own name, LoL is a MOBA, I have not got a clue what you would call Candy Crush.
The real problem comes when we get these compilation sites telling us that F2P transactions in MMOs are making more money than blah blah. They may well be counting Candy Crush as a MMO and therefore distorting the data.
They're not telling you anything. They are telling it to the people that understand the terminology, reports and data that they are looking at.
Which is then used by posters on here to make statements like "WoW will be F2P within 2 years". They are not sending this data to professionals in the industry marked 'private and confidential'.
They put their conclusions on websites without saying what companies the data comes from, leaving that data open to wild speculation.
Why is that the real problem ? why does it matter what anyone says about anything here ? Or is the real problem you just don't like what those numbers say and wish people would stop saying it.
The original article says this breakdown is of "The digital games market"
So Candy Crush, LoL and others are not MMOs. They deserve their own name, LoL is a MOBA, I have not got a clue what you would call Candy Crush.
The real problem comes when we get these compilation sites telling us that F2P transactions in MMOs are making more money than blah blah. They may well be counting Candy Crush as a MMO and therefore distorting the data.
You are not reading the table carefully.
It clearly broke down the "digital games market" into MMO, social games, and so on.
It also clearly categorize LoL as MMO, and candy crush as "social".
If they want to categorize games like this, and report the data, i have no problem with it, as long as it is clear.
Which is then used by posters on here to make statements like "WoW will be F2P within 2 years". They are not sending this data to professionals in the industry marked 'private and confidential'.
How can past data tell you what happen to wow in the future?
But statement such as "f2p is making a lot more money than sub-only in MMO" will be correct, in their definition of MMO.
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There are many people that call MMORPGs "MMOs" for short because orally, "MMORPG" is a little over the top. "MMO" isn't necessarily the umbrella term that some folks want it to be so desperately. Some FPS/TPS/RTS/MOBAs etc. do indeed have borrowed features and mechanics from MMORPGs, but that doesn't make them the same. MMORPGs have borrowed features and mechanics from other genres as well, but we don't refer to TERA, for example, as an FPS.
Also, don't get confused by the marketing; it happens all the time. Take the Automobile industry for instance. Cars are marketed as Sport Cars that aren't true Sport Cars all the time. It helps to sell more cars. Enthusiasts (and the industry) know better but the average guy is clueless/doesn't give a crap.
Hell, not too long ago Bill Murphy created a thread announcing that mmorpg.com was going to address this very issue with some big changes to the site's stance and how it handles the Games List.
There's a reason why Librarians don't just throw all the books into a pile in the centre of a Library. That would be idiotic.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Ha.
Nice post, Yamota
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
No but they do have fiction non-fiction sections that also have sub sections like horror, sci-fi etc...kind of like mmos do.
Doesn't matter how they label their games. If the general MMO player base disagrees, then they set the trend, not the developer. No matter how you or anyone else tries to twist terms, it won't matter diddly squat if no one listens or follows.
Yes, like MMORPG, MMOFPS, MMORTS, MMOAAG....etc. That would not be the same analogy of MMO to MOBA.
Who is disagreeing aside from a few people here? .. and this site clearly is not representative of the "general MMO player base".
If you have evidence of "the generall mmo player base disagree" .. (for example, a scientifically conducted survey with a big enough sample), please share.
Lol , anyways despite Mobas now being considered MMOs , which is entirely false and wrong, it isn't any suprise that candy crush saga and farmville 2 are up there, I'm just suprised that angry birds has fallen off in popularity =p.
*giggleS* Although, I personally still prefer the original farmville, even if it is a major time sink and all my crops are perma withered on it.
Seems to me MMO = game that need to be played over the internet where lots of people can be playing or joining a game with out
While non MMO = have a lan option in the game and doesnt have to be played over the internet. Thats what ive been noticing recently.
Hmm does have a good point, whats the difference between WOW, LoL and all that, WoW is basicly a chatroom with 5man-25 man instances. While LoL lobby is a chat area and has 1-10 man games. pretty much the same thing to be honost when you think about it as that.
from the Massive Multiplayer Online title what they miss ?
MMOBA
Wasn't all that hard.
Which doesn't currently exist, but good try.
he he he .. people here certainly do seem to care (or they just like forum pvp).
But i don't see a outcry when WoT is reviewed as a MMO everywhere. This place is not representative.
Simple, to the point, and sums it all up.
There is certainly a difference, marketing nonsense or not.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
So like neverwinter then ? That has a massive chat room they call town. That's what these games are missing ?
For years MMORPG's have been RPG's with persistent worlds, always online, and large player bases on the same server. When I saw the label I know exactly what kind of game I am expecting. It was a very specific gaming experience I am expecting. No explanations needed.
What clearly defined Planetside as a MMOFPS vs. a regular FPS was the persistent world with large amounts of people playing on it at the same time. MMOX have always been defined by persistent worlds with large amounts of people at the same time. If you look games converted into MMOX this has always been the case from Neverwinter 1 to Minecraft to Just Cause 2.
If a website dedicated to NFL Football video games started to call all sports games NFL football because Madden has a monopoly on NFL Football people would call it dumb as well. Essentially your trying to make NFL Football which is pretty specific into generic term for all sports because you need advertisement revenue. This is what has happened with MMOX term but mostly with fantasy games. You'll see matched based fantasy games called MMOX over military like Call of Duty. Simply because demographics overlap that MMORPG players also play MOBA's.
The original article says this breakdown is of "The digital games market"
So Candy Crush, LoL and others are not MMOs. They deserve their own name, LoL is a MOBA, I have not got a clue what you would call Candy Crush.
The real problem comes when we get these compilation sites telling us that F2P transactions in MMOs are making more money than blah blah. They may well be counting Candy Crush as a MMO and therefore distorting the data.
They're not telling you anything. They are telling it to the people that understand the terminology, reports and data that they are looking at.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
Which is then used by posters on here to make statements like "WoW will be F2P within 2 years". They are not sending this data to professionals in the industry marked 'private and confidential'.
They put their conclusions on websites without saying what companies the data comes from, leaving that data open to wild speculation.
Why is that the real problem ? why does it matter what anyone says about anything here ? Or is the real problem you just don't like what those numbers say and wish people would stop saying it.
You are not reading the table carefully.
It clearly broke down the "digital games market" into MMO, social games, and so on.
It also clearly categorize LoL as MMO, and candy crush as "social".
If they want to categorize games like this, and report the data, i have no problem with it, as long as it is clear.
How can past data tell you what happen to wow in the future?
But statement such as "f2p is making a lot more money than sub-only in MMO" will be correct, in their definition of MMO.