You have to pay for patron status to OWN a house? This game just crashed and burned before it even released lol... A house is like half the game for a sandbox.
I think the game looks awesome and I would like to play it, but what is with this culture of people that buy alpha and beta access?
I shake my head to this in confusion.
Patience and appreciation have left us.
Simple and elegant way for studios to monetize their games prior to launch. Nothing wrong at all with that. In fact I think it's awesome. As most assuredly the ones who test the game are the ones who want to see it do well and have an invested nature to see it be good. Whereas the traditional "FAILED" Random beta invites of games like ESO rarely get qualified testers but more like players looking to see if the game is to their liking. These random all for one invites rarely accomplish there intended goals other then for stress test applications.
Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!
Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!
Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!
I am back to MMORPGs after a long break just for this game, although I did try the obnoxious WS and boring ESO betas out of morbid curiosity, and I have purchased the £109 version.
Why?
Because, I think it's actually ok value. But bear in mind I come from a generation that was raised on actually paying for the things that we enjoy.
Ignore the Alpha/ Beta for now. Just between the credits and 3 months sub (because I WOULD sub anyhow) you are looking at £80.
This means for £29 I am getting the head start, title, 6 lock boxes, 10 TP stones, 10 craft stones, a nice glider, suit of cosmetic armour, customisable cloak, crest reagents, and pet heal pots.
Looking at the prices in other shops I have played in, this seems like a reasonable package. I KNOW that this game is one I will play for at least 3 months, and pretty heavily at that.
those prices are retarded. no other way around it really.
almost $200 (in euros) for beta access for a game thats been released (twice now), beta tested and whatnot is just ridiculous. And it really doesnt inspire that much confidence into their cash shop either, just hope its not Allods v2.0 all over again.
and yes ill play AA too, been waiting for it for ... well, years now, but im still not going to pay $60 for beta test that has already been done in other versions, or 4 days headstart.
way to go trion, but at least they dont have Trove-like pack for $2,500. yet
Originally posted by HikaruShidou You have to pay for patron status to OWN a house? This game just crashed and burned before it even released lol... A house is like half the game for a sandbox.
no, i think this one actually makes sense. Or you want bots to own 12 houses each so legit players cant get a house plot at all? In fact i was hoping this will be the case, or else some people (and not just bots) would have 7 houses each and in no time we'd run away of available housing plots.
those prices are retarded. no other way around it really.
almost $200 (in euros) for beta access for a game
You have reduced the entire cost to a single item being offered, ignoring the other elements of the package.
If you know you are going to be a committed player for at least 3 months the entirety of what's being offered is decent value.
These clearly aren't designed for MMORPG tourists that only commit to a game for a month or so before flitting to the next, they are aimed at the long term supporter.
I think the packs are a great option. Just play for free at launch if you don't agree.
135 euro's, that is NOT 150 dollars Trion, no matter how you spin it, that is 187 dollars, thanks! I am excited about AA but for slightly more money I got lifetime subscriptions for other games with massive perks (LotRO, TSW) not this.... No Trion, the stuff on offer here is in no way compareable to what you have to pay for it and with that conversion rate?.....sigh....
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
'the only way he could nail it any better is if he used a cross.'
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
150USD is standard for founders packages. Champions Online, Star Trek Online are just a few that used that pricepoint for "lifetime"/founders membership. It's also the same price as the collector's edition of games like Star Wars Online.
those prices are retarded. no other way around it really.
almost $200 (in euros) for beta access for a game
You have reduced the entire cost to a single item being offered, ignoring the other elements of the package.
If you know you are going to be a committed player for at least 3 months the entirety of what's being offered is decent value.
These clearly aren't designed for MMORPG tourists that only commit to a game for a month or so before flitting to the next, they are aimed at the long term supporter.
I think the packs are a great option. Just play for free at launch if you don't agree.
i DONT want a package. Im not sure im gonna stay there long enough for package to make difference. I dont want to buy lifelong patron pass either. I wanted to buy a normal beta pack like other games offer, without extra kinks nobody asked for.
Was it really so hard to add a $10-$20 beta pack with beta pass, 2-3 days early access and no extra kinks on top of it?
you know, if there were $999 packs that offer 147 years worth of patron passes, it would still have high value. And people would still defend trions decision to sell that pack. But i wouldnt buy that one either.
Choices, choices are good. Dont let them take that away from us.
those prices are retarded. no other way around it really.
almost $200 (in euros) for beta access for a game
You have reduced the entire cost to a single item being offered, ignoring the other elements of the package.
If you know you are going to be a committed player for at least 3 months the entirety of what's being offered is decent value.
These clearly aren't designed for MMORPG tourists that only commit to a game for a month or so before flitting to the next, they are aimed at the long term supporter.
I think the packs are a great option. Just play for free at launch if you don't agree.
i DONT want a package. Im not sure im gonna stay there long enough for package to make difference. I dont want to buy lifelong patron pass either. I wanted to buy a normal beta pack like other games offer, without extra kinks nobody asked for. Choices, choices are good. Dont let them take that away from us.
I guess that they have the opinion that the best option for guys that are not sure if they are going to stick around for a decent amount of time is to wait a bit until they can play for free.
They're asking 134,99 euros for me. So at least they didn't do a 1:1 conversion!
However, yeah, it's all a bit much. Though not unprecedented either. In general, I'm really not happy with the trend of asking huge amounts of money to get access to Alpha and Beta.
That said, I'm happy to hear that they're able to go their own way with the game and change some of the more P2W options implemented in the Korean version. Though I heard they're also coming back on that in their updated 1.2 version of the game.
Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!
I rally dont want to start a fight or anything like that, but you really are making it hard to resist, your last response was basically just trolling.
So i have a choice ... not to play at all?
How is that even a choice, i said i want to be able to play without having to pay between $60-$200 to BETA test a game that has been beta tested some 3 times already. And trion is keeping us in dark with pretty much everything. We got no clue how will our version look like, what will cash shop look like, etc etc.
So yes, for some of us, having blind faith in a company that all out of sudden became so cash hungry (this is nothing but cash grab, lets not even talk about trove packs) - its a no go.
but thanks for your useful insight, was much appreciated.
For all i care, you could go make a petition for trion to put a 14 years long patron pass for $1,999, because, obviously, you wouldnt mind it. And no i wouldnt mind it either, to each his own, if you want to spend $4.000 to beta test a game, great, its none of my business really.
But why would you be against trion offering cheaper packs at the same time, lets say at a price thats not higher than one newly released game?
Seriously, how did we get to this point that we have people defending companies selling beta-testing access for $200, and saying gtfo if u dont like it, dont buy it.
MMO companies used to be happy to get enough people to actually help them test the game, and now asking for beta access that doesnt cost at least $60 makes people like Vesavius angry. Good times.
How is that even a choice, i said i want to be able to play without having to pay between $60-$200 to BETA test a game that has been beta tested some 3 times already. And trion is keeping us in dark with pretty much everything. We got no clue how will our version look like, what will cash shop look like, etc etc.
I'd say: try the Russian version with an English language pack installed if you wonna test it out.
It's too much for me as well, though tempting. If they priced it at 90, with the gold being 50-60 and the silver 30, I'd probably have bought it (to my shame, cus I shouldn't be supporting paid alphas).
Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!
I rally dont want to start a fight or anything like that, but you really are making it hard to resist, your last response was basically just trolling.
Friend, if someone having a different perspective to you is 'trolling' you I would say that you are maybe being a little over sensitive. My aim isn't to 'troll' but to try and help you understand another point of view. There is no need to get angry here.
So i have a choice ... not to play at all? How is that even a choice...?
No, I didn't say that. I said, clearly, that the choice you have is pay or wait to play for free.
This is, obviously a choice.
i said i want to be able to play without having to pay between $60-$200 to BETA test a game that has been beta tested some 3 times already. And trion is keeping us in dark with pretty much everything. We got no clue how will our version look like, what will cash shop look like, etc etc.
And you can do this, by waiting just a little while longer for free access to the game
Trion are actually saving you money already!
All you need to do to appreciate that is control your own impatience.
but thanks for your useful insight, was much appreciated.
You're welcome!
Seriously, how did we get to this point that we have people defending companies selling beta-testing access for $200, and saying gtfo if u dont like it, dont buy it.
I didn't say 'gtfo'. I just said the choice for you, if you don't like the packs being offered, is to wait a little and play for free.
please stopp making yourself look ridicoulos by comparing games with eqn and its awesom "sandbox features" - there is no eqn and there are no eqn sandbox features - its just talk and paper right now NOTHING more. You can praise the game once you can PLAY those marvelous features...
I think i'll just wait until release, no point in spending money beta testing something I'm not sure I want to play. You don't even keep your characters and early access is no big deal.
I rally dont want to start a fight or anything like that, but you really are making it hard to resist, your last response was basically just trolling.
Friend, if someone having a different perspective to you is 'trolling' you I would say that you are maybe being a little over sensitive. My aim isn't to 'troll' but to try and help you understand another point of view. There is no need to get angry here.
So i have a choice ... not to play at all? How is that even a choice...?
No, I didn't say that. I said, clearly, that the choice you have is pay or wait to play for free.
This is, obviously a choice.
i said i want to be able to play without having to pay between $60-$200 to BETA test a game that has been beta tested some 3 times already. And trion is keeping us in dark with pretty much everything. We got no clue how will our version look like, what will cash shop look like, etc etc.
And you can do this, by waiting just a little while longer for free access to the game
Trion are actually saving you money already!
All you need to do to appreciate that is control your own impatience.
but thanks for your useful insight, was much appreciated.
You're welcome!
Seriously, how did we get to this point that we have people defending companies selling beta-testing access for $200, and saying gtfo if u dont like it, dont buy it.
I didn't say 'gtfo'. I just said the choice for you, if you don't like the packs being offered, is to wait a little and play for free.
thanks for your rather useful input. now go to trion forums and ask for $1,999 packs. But yes, i agree with you to some extent, we should be grateful to trion for making those packs rather easily affordable, and not making a $2,5k pack like they did with trove.
Funny thing is they are trying to mock soe's founders pack names, and yet their pack cost twice as much. oh the irony. Mind you, soe game was really a beta too, unlike this one.
for everyone else, this is just a cash grab but as long as there are people like you mmo companies will try to take advantage of them. its business so kudos to them though.
$200 for so called beta, for a game thats been beta tested god knows how many times already (basically there are just a few different things compared to korean version, plus translation thats different), and some people are ok with it. cant really blame trion though, if it was my business and i knew there are people like you who wouldnt mind paying x5 more, id probably do the same thing.
speaking of which, 4 days early access is a big deal though, in game with open world housing like AA. So much about no tricks no traps. gg trion :P
While I won't be playing ArcheAge, I will say, myself and people I know have said for years we would love for companies to give us a chance to play an mmo from alpha and would gladly pay to be able to. I see nothing wrong with it really, I mean it's much better than paying someone on ebay for an alpha or beta key, this way it's from the company and you don't lose out on the money you have spent. I do think the pricing is off for ArcheAge though. If it were Black Desert? I would definitely pay the money for it, but not ArcheAge, just not worth it to me after having played a version of it.
I think the game looks awesome and I would like to play it, but what is with this culture of people that buy alpha and beta access?
I shake my head to this in confusion.
Patience and appreciation have left us.
Simple and elegant way for studios to monetize their games prior to launch. Nothing wrong at all with that. In fact I think it's awesome. As most assuredly the ones who test the game are the ones who want to see it do well and have an invested nature to see it be good. Whereas the traditional "FAILED" Random beta invites of games like ESO rarely get qualified testers but more like players looking to see if the game is to their liking. These random all for one invites rarely accomplish there intended goals other then for stress test applications.
I accept half of your statement. When one spends money, there is a new level of commitment. However I don't think just because one has the cash or is willing to give it away for beta testing that it automatically makes them the right person to alpha/beta test.
$150 is pocket change to some, but to many that's a big deal, the people willing to throw that money out there for alpha are more than likely unable to appreciate things the same way a person whom sees $150 as a fortune would and vice versus.
With that said, and for the betterment of gaming world wide, if you're not in alpha right now and you can spare the extra cash, you might as well join in. We would all greatly appreciate it.
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hehe, 22.9gb do take a while to d/l
the founder packs suks, anything really good, if the guarante a house or something for ever, could be
Simple and elegant way for studios to monetize their games prior to launch. Nothing wrong at all with that. In fact I think it's awesome. As most assuredly the ones who test the game are the ones who want to see it do well and have an invested nature to see it be good. Whereas the traditional "FAILED" Random beta invites of games like ESO rarely get qualified testers but more like players looking to see if the game is to their liking. These random all for one invites rarely accomplish there intended goals other then for stress test applications.
Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!
Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!
Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!
I am back to MMORPGs after a long break just for this game, although I did try the obnoxious WS and boring ESO betas out of morbid curiosity, and I have purchased the £109 version.
Why?
Because, I think it's actually ok value. But bear in mind I come from a generation that was raised on actually paying for the things that we enjoy.
Ignore the Alpha/ Beta for now. Just between the credits and 3 months sub (because I WOULD sub anyhow) you are looking at £80.
This means for £29 I am getting the head start, title, 6 lock boxes, 10 TP stones, 10 craft stones, a nice glider, suit of cosmetic armour, customisable cloak, crest reagents, and pet heal pots.
Looking at the prices in other shops I have played in, this seems like a reasonable package. I KNOW that this game is one I will play for at least 3 months, and pretty heavily at that.
If you don't, good thing it's optional.
those prices are retarded. no other way around it really.
almost $200 (in euros) for beta access for a game thats been released (twice now), beta tested and whatnot is just ridiculous. And it really doesnt inspire that much confidence into their cash shop either, just hope its not Allods v2.0 all over again.
and yes ill play AA too, been waiting for it for ... well, years now, but im still not going to pay $60 for beta test that has already been done in other versions, or 4 days headstart.
way to go trion, but at least they dont have Trove-like pack for $2,500. yet
no, i think this one actually makes sense. Or you want bots to own 12 houses each so legit players cant get a house plot at all? In fact i was hoping this will be the case, or else some people (and not just bots) would have 7 houses each and in no time we'd run away of available housing plots.
still, those pack prices man... those prices
You have reduced the entire cost to a single item being offered, ignoring the other elements of the package.
If you know you are going to be a committed player for at least 3 months the entirety of what's being offered is decent value.
These clearly aren't designed for MMORPG tourists that only commit to a game for a month or so before flitting to the next, they are aimed at the long term supporter.
I think the packs are a great option. Just play for free at launch if you don't agree.
135 euro's, that is NOT 150 dollars Trion, no matter how you spin it, that is 187 dollars, thanks! I am excited about AA but for slightly more money I got lifetime subscriptions for other games with massive perks (LotRO, TSW) not this.... No Trion, the stuff on offer here is in no way compareable to what you have to pay for it and with that conversion rate?.....sigh....
/Cheers,
Lahnmir
Kyleran on yours sincerely
'But there are many. You can play them entirely solo, and even offline. Also, you are wrong by default.'
Ikcin in response to yours sincerely debating whether or not single-player offline MMOs exist...
'This does not apply just to ED but SC or any other game. What they will get is Rebirth/X4, likely prettier but equally underwhelming and pointless.
It is incredibly difficult to design some meaningfull leg content that would fit a space ship game - simply because it is not a leg game.
It is just huge resource waste....'
Gdemami absolutely not being an armchair developer
Not that long at all really, it's dropped far quicker than I was expecting
150USD is standard for founders packages. Champions Online, Star Trek Online are just a few that used that pricepoint for "lifetime"/founders membership. It's also the same price as the collector's edition of games like Star Wars Online.
Not unusual at all.
i DONT want a package. Im not sure im gonna stay there long enough for package to make difference. I dont want to buy lifelong patron pass either. I wanted to buy a normal beta pack like other games offer, without extra kinks nobody asked for.
Was it really so hard to add a $10-$20 beta pack with beta pass, 2-3 days early access and no extra kinks on top of it?
you know, if there were $999 packs that offer 147 years worth of patron passes, it would still have high value. And people would still defend trions decision to sell that pack. But i wouldnt buy that one either.
Choices, choices are good. Dont let them take that away from us.
I guess that they have the opinion that the best option for guys that are not sure if they are going to stick around for a decent amount of time is to wait a bit until they can play for free.
See? You have a choice.
They're asking 134,99 euros for me. So at least they didn't do a 1:1 conversion!
However, yeah, it's all a bit much. Though not unprecedented either. In general, I'm really not happy with the trend of asking huge amounts of money to get access to Alpha and Beta.
That said, I'm happy to hear that they're able to go their own way with the game and change some of the more P2W options implemented in the Korean version. Though I heard they're also coming back on that in their updated 1.2 version of the game.
Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!
I rally dont want to start a fight or anything like that, but you really are making it hard to resist, your last response was basically just trolling.
So i have a choice ... not to play at all?
How is that even a choice, i said i want to be able to play without having to pay between $60-$200 to BETA test a game that has been beta tested some 3 times already. And trion is keeping us in dark with pretty much everything. We got no clue how will our version look like, what will cash shop look like, etc etc.
So yes, for some of us, having blind faith in a company that all out of sudden became so cash hungry (this is nothing but cash grab, lets not even talk about trove packs) - its a no go.
but thanks for your useful insight, was much appreciated.
For all i care, you could go make a petition for trion to put a 14 years long patron pass for $1,999, because, obviously, you wouldnt mind it. And no i wouldnt mind it either, to each his own, if you want to spend $4.000 to beta test a game, great, its none of my business really.
But why would you be against trion offering cheaper packs at the same time, lets say at a price thats not higher than one newly released game?
Seriously, how did we get to this point that we have people defending companies selling beta-testing access for $200, and saying gtfo if u dont like it, dont buy it.
MMO companies used to be happy to get enough people to actually help them test the game, and now asking for beta access that doesnt cost at least $60 makes people like Vesavius angry. Good times.
I'd say: try the Russian version with an English language pack installed if you wonna test it out.
It's too much for me as well, though tempting. If they priced it at 90, with the gold being 50-60 and the silver 30, I'd probably have bought it (to my shame, cus I shouldn't be supporting paid alphas).
Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!
thanks for your rather useful input. now go to trion forums and ask for $1,999 packs. But yes, i agree with you to some extent, we should be grateful to trion for making those packs rather easily affordable, and not making a $2,5k pack like they did with trove.
Funny thing is they are trying to mock soe's founders pack names, and yet their pack cost twice as much. oh the irony. Mind you, soe game was really a beta too, unlike this one.
for everyone else, this is just a cash grab but as long as there are people like you mmo companies will try to take advantage of them. its business so kudos to them though.
$200 for so called beta, for a game thats been beta tested god knows how many times already (basically there are just a few different things compared to korean version, plus translation thats different), and some people are ok with it. cant really blame trion though, if it was my business and i knew there are people like you who wouldnt mind paying x5 more, id probably do the same thing.
speaking of which, 4 days early access is a big deal though, in game with open world housing like AA. So much about no tricks no traps. gg trion :P
What happens when you log off your characters????.....
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I accept half of your statement. When one spends money, there is a new level of commitment. However I don't think just because one has the cash or is willing to give it away for beta testing that it automatically makes them the right person to alpha/beta test.
$150 is pocket change to some, but to many that's a big deal, the people willing to throw that money out there for alpha are more than likely unable to appreciate things the same way a person whom sees $150 as a fortune would and vice versus.
With that said, and for the betterment of gaming world wide, if you're not in alpha right now and you can spare the extra cash, you might as well join in. We would all greatly appreciate it.