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Man I thought ESO's paywall was bad...
http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/04/24/archeages-founder-packs-will-run-you-49-99-to-149-99/
Money, items, mounts, consumables. All yours for a meager $150. This is why I hate F2P games as it turns a fun hobby into a big money sink.
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what paywall? its for alpha access, not for a game that was just released like ESO. pay the less fee and get into Closed beta if its to much and if that is to much for you then you can literally just wait for launch and play the game for
FREE!
You can do everything you want except build a house and things you want to build will take longer.
If you want a house and faster building times then pay the sub.
"You have some serious mental issues you may need to seek some help for. There are others who post things, but do not post them in the way you do. Out of every person who posts crazy shit in this forum, you have some of the craziest and scariest" -FarReach
I concur. Complainers abound.
Just to question the philosophy. Army of Socrates.
so say we all
Yes because like ArcheAge, ESO lets you play for free once it launched and their Imperial Edition gives you three months of sub time.
Yeah right...
Any mmo worth its salt should be like a good prostitute when it comes to its game world- One hell of a faker, and a damn good shaker!
And you will always have people that feel they need to justify their game by putting down other games....makes me wonder why they need to justify their game to begin with.
It's not just f2p you need to look at. It's all microtransactions. If there were only two business models, #1 buy to play and #2 sub, then the gaming world would be a lot better place. Microtransactions and all the uncertainty that comes along with them really just bogs down gaming in general.
it's crippling enough to completely destroy quality gaming.
You used to get a game that you bought and take it home and play it. now you just download and if you want to be better you have to spend money, and if you want to be really good you just spend more money, and if you want to be really really good and have all the shortcuts and content you just spend alot more money.
for what though? the games today are not any better than those of 10 years ago.
Thats roughly a 10 month sub game. Not including the box....
This is why I hate sub games, as they turn a fun hobby into a big money sink....
FFA Nonconsentual Full Loot PvP ...You know you want it!!
I wouldn't pay $150 for the game, but the good thing is, I don't have to. I'm not that super interested anyway, but things like this don't bother me a whole lot. Oohh credits and boosters and mounts, big deal.
WHAT? Isn't that the whole appeal of the game?!? The combat and questing are bland and generic, but has sandbox features to make it fun. So you have to pay to put sand in the box?
Can someone confirm whether or not this is true? You're absolutely right, there's no way I'd stick to a game with the kind of combat AA has without the sandbox features I've been waiting for in an MMO for years now.
It doesn't destroy my gaming. The speed other people level/craft/whatever doesn't affect me at all. Some people just need to accept that they will never be the best at a game and somebody else always will. For many reasons, actually having a life, having a grip on what is a waste of money, veering away from unfun tasks, whatever it may be.
I and everyone I know irl, still just gets a game, takes it home and plays it.
Just to question the philosophy. Army of Socrates.
I have mixed feelings about Rift's F2P model but it really is one of the better ones and does give you pretty much everything without gating any progression in the game. I figured they'd do the same with AA.
I don't think paywall means what you think it means man.
the houses are in the open world so there is limited land
Now
Add the bazzilion of bots that FTP adds to the game and you can see why they needed some sort of paywall.
Neverknow maybe they will make a $shop item that lets you buy land rights for one fee.
added the quote from mmorpg.com article
"You’ll get titles that give you minor stat boosts, making those early days easier, Patron Status for a period of time (think “subscriber”) which also gives you increased labor point regeneration over regular free to play players as well as the ability to own land and have a house or farm. Free players won’t innately be able to own land, houses, and farms and the like. But Trion is working hard on a “REX-like” program to allow free players an avenue to land ownership too."
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/572/feature/8450/ArcheAge-Get-Ready-Get-Set-Founderize.html
"You have some serious mental issues you may need to seek some help for. There are others who post things, but do not post them in the way you do. Out of every person who posts crazy shit in this forum, you have some of the craziest and scariest" -FarReach
ESOs paywall wasn't bad, it was STUPID and doesn't belong in a sub based game.
AAs paywall is nothing compared to its P2W cash shop which contains a way around the time limits placed in game for the F2P change. Everyone buying into the founders packs don't realize just how much they are going to regret doing it. Its nothing like Rifts F2P cash shop and they don't understand just what 1.0 did to the game.
Yeah the highlighted red. If you think an extra race in ESO is a paywall then what the hell is not being able to build a house? lol
Now Archeage looks like a damn good game but it is in cash shop heaven already with these lock boxes and what not, I'm fairly used to these F2P models by now though and can live with it.
Since I dont mind subbing if I give the game a spin I just hope the subscribers dont feel like everything is tied to the cash shop even for them.
Didn't even think about the F2P bots...can't let them make little bot villages. I guess the only way around it would be to find a way to combat the bots...
Trion is already changing some of the 1.0 stuff, why not go to the official forums and just ask questions? They have already confirmed that Delphic Stars (Gilda stars in our version) will still be gained through trade runs.
Any mmo worth its salt should be like a good prostitute when it comes to its game world- One hell of a faker, and a damn good shaker!
you can play the game without having the imperial race in ESO. ergo no paywall.
"You have some serious mental issues you may need to seek some help for. There are others who post things, but do not post them in the way you do. Out of every person who posts crazy shit in this forum, you have some of the craziest and scariest" -FarReach
Even though it is too much money for me, I am glad they are charging so much for Alpha and beta access.
i am sick of people that are simply trying to find a good game to play jumping into a game in testing, then complaining about polish, system that aren't done, and quitting, leaving beta with less feedback.
keep it high to get in and you get people that are committed, and keep the "lookers, but not testers " out, as they should be.
Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
I already have, its the very reason why I chose to go with the Japanese version of it because they will be removing far more than Trion because P2W games die in Japan, it doesn't suit the market, Trion is keeping most of it. No P2W game is worth playing in my eyes especially one so focused on PvP.
On the other hand it would be even worst if people who were excited about the game but hadn't played it yet paid $150 and hated it....
non-sense if someone would pay 150 euro he would have a bigger expectations. Just a few month ago when I was still a student this would have been a insane amount of money. Now that I work this is still a lot of money to spend on this, but not that big of a deal. So someone who has a lot of money to burn might be not as commited as you think he might be.
Any payed alpha and beta access are meant for lookers, not for testers. If they want me to test there game they have to pay me instead. I might send a bug report there way once in a while, but I will still not commit all my time to testing. It's different when I applied to it and got accepted.
Also the game is already released in some places. I doubt it's really an alpha (meaning it is not yet feature ready, else it would have been called beta) at all. Just an excuses to get people to pay money for it as it sounds exclusive. I do not mind they do it. They have to earn there bread and if people are willing to part with the money then that is fine. It's what is keeping our economy running after all. However let's not kid ourselves that they actually care if you test of not.
Actually, it may not be that good of an idea.
The issue with housing in AA is that it's limited. So, let's say, for example, there's 1000 plots of land. If simpy buying teh game let's you have 1 permanent plot, what happens if they're all ocupied, even after you've already left the game? How does a new played get access to it?
It's best to require continous money to make sure non-playing players can't leave their houses abandoned.
The issue, however, will end up being in the long run, as you say. If a house is the full sub price, do we still have to pay for other things?
These are reasons why i personally prefer instanced housing.
To the OP, as said before, no it's not a paywall, since teh game's F2P.