Originally posted by makasouleater69 The gold sellers must of took full advantage of all zenimax's bugs. When I started they were only selling 1k, then like a week later 10k, now its up to 100k. So, yeah if even 1000 people out of the player base buy 100k-1millon gold. That would be the end of any kind of real economy.
Wait... you think the economy in a game is broken because gold sellers start increasing the amount of gold they sell over time in a video game?
You do know how MMO works right?
Because i'm starting to think you have never played one before..
Wait... you think the economy in a game is broken because gold sellers start increasing the amount of gold they sell over time in a video game?
You do know how MMO works right?
Because i'm starting to think you have never played one before..
This seems to be the latest spurious argument making the rounds. Someone makes a statement that someone else disagrees with and the rejoinder is "Well, you must never have played an MMORPG before..."
Ah, the all-knowing guru's of MMO's have graced us with their presence...
Based on what evidence, may I ask, do you declare that the OP has never played an MMO before? He cites the basis for his opinion. Whether or not it's right is a subject for discussion, not insults.
While I don't agree with the OP's supposition, isn't it possible to have a reasonable debate on these forums? Or are all statements based on facts -- whether or not they are correctly interpreted -- to be met with misdirection, distortion, and insults?
I love this "People only trading in general chat may be affected"
My son was in 5 guilds. Got to 50 over a week ago. He new all the dupes going on for EACH guild new. Do you have any clue as to how much gold they made? You think people in reg chat not in a guild suffer from haha gold sellers? Like me.. I am in no guilds never have been. The most I have on one toon is 7000 at lvl 10. Thats my highest.
Where go you think ALL those gold sellers are? In guilds and run guilds. This is a billion dollar biz they know what there doing. Like it or not believe it or not changes nothing. When you can buy as of right now 1500k or any item. and its just ONE MONTH in. Keep telling your self that game is fine.
Op "economy" anyone can look it up yet most have no clue what it really means. You can NEVER just pull money out of the air and stick it in game or in real life. Yet this mmos is I agree a tad different as there is no AH yet it can still suffer and you know this guys come on.
Stop bickering back and forth and lets ALL report and get on ESO and make them get there act together about this. I really like this game. I wish more TALKED. Well EU side are very quite..VERY QUITE.
For any game wide economy to be broken, you first have to have a game wide economy. ESO has pocket economies, not a game wide one. For there to be a game wide economy, everyone has to have access to the things that people are selling, no mater what guild they may have access to. I understand why they did this, to encourage people to interact more with the people shouting "WTS" in all the major cities. But it does cut way down on a sellers and a buyers options as there is no open market system. Not to mention that the people you are gouging to make money may be the ones by your side when raiding. Just my thoughts on the subject.
Originally posted by Giffen In order to have a broken economy, one must first begin with an economy.
yeah i wonder does ESO has any kind of economy ?
TESO economy works like a set of separate markets, its quite patchy at the moment, but then the game has been out...lets see..less than a month. But if you want to be negative that has nothing to do with it.
The fact that the economy is split up in this way makes the gold selling have less effect than in a MMO with an Auction House. Once again if you just want to sound off against the game the fact that players cannot sell to everyone in the game is having no effect on gold sellers. Right.
Wait... you think the economy in a game is broken because gold sellers start increasing the amount of gold they sell over time in a video game?
You do know how MMO works right?
Because i'm starting to think you have never played one before..
This seems to be the latest spurious argument making the rounds. Someone makes a statement that someone else disagrees with and the rejoinder is "Well, you must never have played an MMORPG before..."
Ah, the all-knowing guru's of MMO's have graced us with their presence...
Based on what evidence, may I ask, do you declare that the OP has never played an MMO before? He cites the basis for his opinion. Whether or not it's right is a subject for discussion, not insults.
While I don't agree with the OP's supposition, isn't it possible to have a reasonable debate on these forums? Or are all statements based on facts -- whether or not they are correctly interpreted -- to be met with misdirection, distortion, and insults?
Th evidence being proffered is: nearly every other MMO that has or currently exists.
Finite resources generally do not exist in MMO's, and most materials/items are available to anyone and everyone willing to try for them. Therefore the only trajectory that gold selling can take is upwards. In the real world this doesn't happen because supply fluctuates and scarcity of goods comes into play. In MMOs, where scarcity essentially does not exist the only limit on gold famers/sellers is buyer's demand to set the price.
They're farming an infinitely sustainable resource. So they will continue to accrue more and more of it as time progresses as will their customers. So they have to keep offering more gold at lower rates to keep their customers purchasing.
This is not only extremely basic economics - which, to be fair, perhaps the OP may be young and has not taken even a high school class on the subject - or he hasn't played an MMO. Otherwise it is disingenuous to make this assertion of ESO while ignoring all other MMO's as if gold selling is unique to ESO.
So that would be why Xorus said that.
Reasonable debate can only be had when there is some semblance of common knowledge. It's very difficult to discuss something when the very first post is based on conflating bugs and gold seller's and determining correlation due to the existence of both. Then the OP follows with a hypothetical statement without taking into consideration any current factors that might mitigate the hypothetical.
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Wait... you think the economy in a game is broken because gold sellers start increasing the amount of gold they sell over time in a video game?
You do know how MMO works right?
Because i'm starting to think you have never played one before..
This seems to be the latest spurious argument making the rounds. Someone makes a statement that someone else disagrees with and the rejoinder is "Well, you must never have played an MMORPG before..."
Ah, the all-knowing guru's of MMO's have graced us with their presence...
Based on what evidence, may I ask, do you declare that the OP has never played an MMO before? He cites the basis for his opinion. Whether or not it's right is a subject for discussion, not insults.
While I don't agree with the OP's supposition, isn't it possible to have a reasonable debate on these forums? Or are all statements based on facts -- whether or not they are correctly interpreted -- to be met with misdirection, distortion, and insults?
I love this "People only trading in general chat may be affected"
My son was in 5 guilds. Got to 50 over a week ago. He new all the dupes going on for EACH guild new. Do you have any clue as to how much gold they made? You think people in reg chat not in a guild suffer from haha gold sellers? Like me.. I am in no guilds never have been. The most I have on one toon is 7000 at lvl 10. Thats my highest.
Where go you think ALL those gold sellers are? In guilds and run guilds. This is a billion dollar biz they know what there doing. Like it or not believe it or not changes nothing. When you can buy as of right now 1500k or any item. and its just ONE MONTH in. Keep telling your self that game is fine.
Op "economy" anyone can look it up yet most have no clue what it really means. You can NEVER just pull money out of the air and stick it in game or in real life. Yet this mmos is I agree a tad different as there is no AH yet it can still suffer and you know this guys come on.
Stop bickering back and forth and lets ALL report and get on ESO and make them get there act together about this. I really like this game. I wish more TALKED. Well EU side are very quite..VERY QUITE.
For any game wide economy to be broken, you first have to have a game wide economy. ESO has pocket economies, not a game wide one. For there to be a game wide economy, everyone has to have access to the things that people are selling, no mater what guild they may have access to. I understand why they did this, to encourage people to interact more with the people shouting "WTS" in all the major cities. But it does cut way down on a sellers and a buyers options as there is no open market system. Not to mention that the people you are gouging to make money may be the ones by your side when raiding. Just my thoughts on the subject.
yeah i wonder does ESO has any kind of economy ?
TESO economy works like a set of separate markets, its quite patchy at the moment, but then the game has been out...lets see..less than a month. But if you want to be negative that has nothing to do with it.
The fact that the economy is split up in this way makes the gold selling have less effect than in a MMO with an Auction House. Once again if you just want to sound off against the game the fact that players cannot sell to everyone in the game is having no effect on gold sellers. Right.
Th evidence being proffered is: nearly every other MMO that has or currently exists.
Finite resources generally do not exist in MMO's, and most materials/items are available to anyone and everyone willing to try for them. Therefore the only trajectory that gold selling can take is upwards. In the real world this doesn't happen because supply fluctuates and scarcity of goods comes into play. In MMOs, where scarcity essentially does not exist the only limit on gold famers/sellers is buyer's demand to set the price.
They're farming an infinitely sustainable resource. So they will continue to accrue more and more of it as time progresses as will their customers. So they have to keep offering more gold at lower rates to keep their customers purchasing.
This is not only extremely basic economics - which, to be fair, perhaps the OP may be young and has not taken even a high school class on the subject - or he hasn't played an MMO. Otherwise it is disingenuous to make this assertion of ESO while ignoring all other MMO's as if gold selling is unique to ESO.
So that would be why Xorus said that.
Reasonable debate can only be had when there is some semblance of common knowledge. It's very difficult to discuss something when the very first post is based on conflating bugs and gold seller's and determining correlation due to the existence of both. Then the OP follows with a hypothetical statement without taking into consideration any current factors that might mitigate the hypothetical.