Why I wont be subscribing

Ozimandeus

'TESO is a good game, in fact its a lot of fun. But there is a big BUT.'

After about 100 hours of gameplay stretching across multiple character races and classtypes, I am left not caring if I login or not. I don't care about my characters, and I don't care about the stories that were being told. I don't miss the grindy crafting and the 'so so' combat. But putting all that aside, these are my top reasons for not carrying on:

 

• The Bots, the Bots, the Bots - There is NOTHING worse in any RPG than to have your immersion halted by a grouping of toons all kitted out identically and superimposed over one another taking down bosses. It breaks every bit of 'buy in' with the world and halts all care for the game. I don't blame the players for doing this, I blame the game for allowing the cheating to occur. It was bots in Guild Wars 2 that stopped me playing that title, its Bots in this one that stop me playing this. Whilst I know the Devs are doing their best to fix it, the ONLY way to resolve it is to have Guild Masters on standby who can witness the event when prompted and then permaban those accounts.

• Gold Seller Spam - I have NEVER seen spam so bad, to the point that after a few days I grabbed the spamfilter addon to try and at least keep on top of it. The fact that the first 20 mins of any long game session was spent reporting these bottom feeders was testament to the fact that the game devs hadn't tried to build in controls (a simple flood gate would have been an improvement!).

• Everything feels smallscale - There just isnt any 'WOWa' would you look at that, moments. The moments I mean are like the first time you see the senate tower in SWTOR, the first time you went into IronForge in WoW, the first time you saw an Apocalypse Battleship in your Frigate in EVE. There is just no sense of SCALE. In fact sometimes I felt that my character was too big and the world too small.

• FOG - whilst I am certain this is to help low end systems, for those of us with high end systems this is a terrible sin. I want rolling vistas, I want to be lost in a world of beauty. Not stuck up Mount Snowden in the middle of winter with the cloud around my neck. 

• COST - the simple fact of the matter, is that TESO is not value for money, the premium price tag isn't justified by the buggy, ill thought out social systems and lack lustre combat. If there was no subscription afterwards I would feel more generous towards the game, but the fact is, they DO want me to subscribe and I can't, the game just isn't anywhere near what I would like to play.

In conclusion then, I am certain I am not alone with these thoughts, if you are going to ask for a premium price for your product, your product should be premium quality. TESO isn't. If your going to ask for subscriptions you had better give an offering which is above and beyond your competition which is offering it free, TESO isn't.

 

So then, it is with a heavy heart, that I have to consign TESO to the mediocre pile of MMORPGs.

 

SpottyGekko

Naturally, the game is not for everyone.

 

But the fact that ESO is not for you doesn't seem to be a big problem in your case, seeing as you say there are many F2P games that you enjoy far more and that give you far better "value for money". You'll have forgotten all about ESO very soon.

 

I'll be happily playing ESO for the next few months, because no other game currently offers me as much enjoyment and value for money.

ohioastro

Because, of course, there would be fewer bots and gold spammers in a game with no subscriptions and a cash shop?

JudgeUK

Frustrated with the whole thing here.

Currently forced to hold off until something is done in regard to the EU server location.

UK veteran mmo player: have done all the firewall, remove add-ons, adjust settings, protocols etc etc - still get seconds delay in skill casting. Cyrodil unplayable lag.

Hopefully they will do something with the eu server soon.

BetaBlocka

Originally posted by ohioastro
Because, of course, there would be fewer bots and gold spammers in a game with no subscriptions and a cash shop?

SWTOR has a F2P option and a cash shop that makes the game money hand over fist.

 

The issues with bots and dupes have been microscopic in comparison to the problems encountered in ESO. In fact I played SWTOR for over two years and never once encountered a bot or a dupe exploit. I only use the term microscopic to give the benefit of the doubt in regards to the fact that there *may* have been bots and dupes in SWTOR but I have certainly never heard about any.

 

Your logic is flawed, however a quick scan of your post history reveals that all you ever seem to do is dismiss anyone who doesnt think ESO is amazing and deflect any and all valid criticism of ESO on to problems with "other" games.

 

Fanboyism at it's very best, and part of the problem rather than any meaningful solution imo.

sketocafe

It'd be far more preferable for Zeni to completely quash the gold spammers and bots entirely but they're not really a problem for too long. As you level and progress through the zones they become far more rare. I didn't see many after the third zone and haven't encountered any at all when I finished my faction and moved to the next one. I do a delve now and i'll usually see 3 or 4 other players. 

As far as the fog goes, huh? I've run into foggy weather twice and liked it both times because it turned everything all eerie.

 

Yoda_Clone

Originally posted by sketocafe

As far as the fog goes, huh? I've run into foggy weather twice and liked it both times because it turned everything all eerie.

 

That's "fog" as in an artificial limit on the viewing distance, a mechanism used by many games to reduce graphic card workload, CPU loading, and net-loading (fewer players to track in the client).

bingbongbros

Originally posted by Ozimandeus

'TESO is a good game, in fact its a lot of fun. But there is a big BUT.'

After about 100 hours of gameplay stretching across multiple character races and classtypes, I am left not caring if I login or not. I don't care about my characters, and I don't care about the stories that were being told. I don't miss the grindy crafting and the 'so so' combat. But putting all that aside, these are my top reasons for not carrying on:

 

• The Bots, the Bots, the Bots - There is NOTHING worse in any RPG than to have your immersion halted by a grouping of toons all kitted out identically and superimposed over one another taking down bosses. It breaks every bit of 'buy in' with the world and halts all care for the game. I don't blame the players for doing this, I blame the game for allowing the cheating to occur. It was bots in Guild Wars 2 that stopped me playing that title, its Bots in this one that stop me playing this. Whilst I know the Devs are doing their best to fix it, the ONLY way to resolve it is to have Guild Masters on standby who can witness the event when prompted and then permaban those accounts.
•    

   Have you seen the public dungeons lately? or the grind spots? The GM's they have in the game daily have cleared all the bots away.  Very rarely as I level my alts do I see bots anymore, and when I do just ask the GM to come smash their robot heads in.

• Gold Seller Spam - I have NEVER seen spam so bad, to the point that after a few days I grabbed the spamfilter addon to try and at least keep on top of it. The fact that the first 20 mins of any long game session was spent reporting these bottom feeders was testament to the fact that the game devs hadn't tried to build in controls (a simple flood gate would have been an improvement!).

  This is pretty annoying, I just use SpamFilter and SpamBayes addon's and my chat is literally never tainted anymore.  Even the annoying 350 char guild recruitment messages get filtered out, and it doesn't add it to your ignore list.  It just eats it.

• Everything feels smallscale - There just isnt any 'WOWa' would you look at that, moments. The moments I mean are like the first time you see the senate tower in SWTOR, the first time you went into IronForge in WoW, the first time you saw an Apocalypse Battleship in your Frigate in EVE. There is just no sense of SCALE. In fact sometimes I felt that my character was too big and the world too small.

  I think this might just be your own personal preference.  When I see architecture in games like SWTOR or WoW I just facepalm when a building is 50000000000 ft high for literally no reason.  ESO's world scale actually feels realistic.  Castles are reasonably big, shops are shop size, and towns and hamlets are liveable sizes.  I'm glad they didn't go the tradiontal fantasy route of making every building 4x to big.

• FOG - whilst I am certain this is to help low end systems, for those of us with high end systems this is a terrible sin. I want rolling vistas, I want to be lost in a world of beauty. Not stuck up Mount Snowden in the middle of winter with the cloud around my neck.

  I can't stand the fog either, there is a way to remove it though and it doesn't cost any memory or anything.  There is a thread about it on either the reddit page or Tamrielfoundry.  I can't remember.

• COST - the simple fact of the matter, is that TESO is not value for money, the premium price tag isn't justified by the buggy, ill thought out social systems and lack lustre combat. If there was no subscription afterwards I would feel more generous towards the game, but the fact is, they DO want me to subscribe and I can't, the game just isn't anywhere near what I would like to play.

  Sucks you are jumping ship.  Besides the bots, that they are fixing, and the stupid dupe bugs this has been the cleanest launch I've seen in a while.  I had a harder time progressing in SWTOR then I have in ESO.  I've had more memorable moments playing this then I have had in an mmo in a long time.  I also love sub games because after the initial nomad rush moves on the game has a good community and I don't have to worry about a f2p cash shop sucking up every single amount of content produced.

 

In conclusion then, I am certain I am not alone with these thoughts, if you are going to ask for a premium price for your product, your product should be premium quality. TESO isn't. If your going to ask for subscriptions you had better give an offering which is above and beyond your competition which is offering it free, TESO isn't.

 

So then, it is with a heavy heart, that I have to consign TESO to the mediocre pile of MMORPGs.

 

 

ElirionLoth

Originally posted by ohioastro
Because, of course, there would be fewer bots and gold spammers in a game with no subscriptions and a cash shop?

I thought the same thing.  There is also an add-on that gets rid of the fog in the distance if your computer can handle it.  Some pretty weak points op made imo but it's his option.  

Rusque

I prefer the fog to the pop-up most MMOs go with. I hate watching trees and mountains just appear on my screen.

Of course, if I had the option, yes, I would very much like a crisp and very very deep draw distance, but if the game engine doesn't allow for it, then that's that.

StarS0ft

btw, didn't see any bot in GW2 during last 1.5 years (at least).

somehow Aned solved boting problem.

ElirionLoth

Originally posted by StarS0ft

btw, didn't see any bot in GW2 during last 1.5 years (at least).

somehow Aned solved boting problem.

You weren't looking very hard.

 

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=gw2+bot+problem

 

 

Angzt

Originally posted by Ozimandeus

'TESO is a good game, in fact its a lot of fun. But there is a big BUT.'

After about 100 hours of gameplay stretching across multiple character races and classtypes, I am left not caring if I login or not. I don't care about my characters, and I don't care about the stories that were being told. I don't miss the grindy crafting and the 'so so' combat. But putting all that aside, these are my top reasons for not carrying on:

 

• The Bots, the Bots, the Bots - There is NOTHING worse in any RPG than to have your immersion halted by a grouping of toons all kitted out identically and superimposed over one another taking down bosses. It breaks every bit of 'buy in' with the world and halts all care for the game. I don't blame the players for doing this, I blame the game for allowing the cheating to occur. It was bots in Guild Wars 2 that stopped me playing that title, its Bots in this one that stop me playing this. Whilst I know the Devs are doing their best to fix it, the ONLY way to resolve it is to have Guild Masters on standby who can witness the event when prompted and then permaban those accounts.

• Gold Seller Spam - I have NEVER seen spam so bad, to the point that after a few days I grabbed the spamfilter addon to try and at least keep on top of it. The fact that the first 20 mins of any long game session was spent reporting these bottom feeders was testament to the fact that the game devs hadn't tried to build in controls (a simple flood gate would have been an improvement!).

• Everything feels smallscale - There just isnt any 'WOWa' would you look at that, moments. The moments I mean are like the first time you see the senate tower in SWTOR, the first time you went into IronForge in WoW, the first time you saw an Apocalypse Battleship in your Frigate in EVE. There is just no sense of SCALE. In fact sometimes I felt that my character was too big and the world too small.

• FOG - whilst I am certain this is to help low end systems, for those of us with high end systems this is a terrible sin. I want rolling vistas, I want to be lost in a world of beauty. Not stuck up Mount Snowden in the middle of winter with the cloud around my neck. 

• COST - the simple fact of the matter, is that TESO is not value for money, the premium price tag isn't justified by the buggy, ill thought out social systems and lack lustre combat. If there was no subscription afterwards I would feel more generous towards the game, but the fact is, they DO want me to subscribe and I can't, the game just isn't anywhere near what I would like to play.

In conclusion then, I am certain I am not alone with these thoughts, if you are going to ask for a premium price for your product, your product should be premium quality. TESO isn't. If your going to ask for subscriptions you had better give an offering which is above and beyond your competition which is offering it free, TESO isn't.

 

So then, it is with a heavy heart, that I have to consign TESO to the mediocre pile of MMORPGs.

 

a) bots

bots are being fixed atm. normal for a new mmo. EVERY mmo had bot probs at it's start. so, whats your point?

 

b) goldspam

you have NEVER seen that many spam?

then you haven't played alot of mmos. believe me.

 

c) smallscale

i actually tend to stand around more and gaze at the world in awe more than just 10 mins per hour. 

 

d) fog

yea, having everything suddenly pop up out of nowhere is so much better ^^

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/eso-launcher-graphics-enhancer/

 

e) cost

see above.....

 

sumup: i'd guess i disagree in every point with you. but then i dont play every game either. you play what you like... that's the way it is meant to be.

Timzilla

I approve your request to leave ESO. We don't really require reasons though. You can simply cease paying.

StarS0ft

Originally posted by ElirionLoth

Originally posted by StarS0ft

btw, didn't see any bot in GW2 during last 1.5 years (at least).

somehow Aned solved boting problem.

You weren't looking very hard.

 

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=gw2+bot+problem

 

 

it confirms the fact: absolutely most video has age: "year ago"

sketocafe

Originally posted by StarS0ft

Originally posted by ElirionLoth

Originally posted by StarS0ft

btw, didn't see any bot in GW2 during last 1.5 years (at least).

somehow Aned solved boting problem.

You weren't looking very hard.

 

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=gw2+bot+problem

 

 

it confirms the fact: absolutely most video has age: "year ago"

That's nice, videos from a year ago fit perfectly in with the time period of the last 1.5 years which you gave.

Scot

Bots and spam are disappearing.

Smaller than WoW but definitely bigger than SWTOR, In fact the biggest area mainstream MMO since Lotro.

Fog could be lifted in a patch, purely a design decision.

Your stuff...thanks mate...next!

 

DanitaKusor

I didn't subscribe because the game just didn't grab me. Even after a month I couldn't find a class/role combo that I enjoyed enough to play so there didn't really seem much point in paying for something I wasn't really enjoying.

CoffeeBreak

Originally posted by angzt

 

d) fog

yea, having everything suddenly pop up out of nowhere is so much better ^^

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/eso-launcher-graphics-enhancer/

 

 

That is one of my favorite parts of Swtor.  It's like my speeder(ironic name in that game) is making the grass grow as I drive over it.

Roguewiz

TLDR Version

He isn't going to subscribe because he doesn't like the game.

Was that too difficult?  We really don't want to know, nor care about, your reasons.  Everyone has a game they love or hate.  Some reasons are justified, others are iffy.  

The bots are annoying, but don't really take away from the game itself.  ZO is working on getting them fixed.  

Gold Seller spam:  I've seen equal or worse.  It is just something you have to deal with until ZO is able to get them under control.  Hell, even WoW has some problems with it, and it is substantially older.  Deal with it, ignore the person, and move on.

Scale?  Scale is a matter of perspective.  While it would be nice to see large towers and the like, I'd much rather be able to enter a tower and actually use it rather than just have it as an art asset.  Most games go the art asset route, it is easier.

Fog:  No comment.  I haven't made it to a place with a lot of Fog, and even if I did:  I custom built my system a few years ago to handle most new games (if not all)

Price:  This is a matter of opinion.  Value for the Price is in the eyes of the beholder and what the person is willing to pay for.  I honestly have encountered very little bugs.  Socialization?  From what aspect.  You have chat, you have tells.  The only thing questionable is the need to interact with players to sell stuff instead of using an auction house.  Lackluster combat?  Matter of opinion.  I'd agree that there are some aspects that need improvement, but otherwise I like it a lot more than "stand there, and mash your rotation".

nitefly

Thanks for your opinion.

I always read the reasons why people quit a game, if those reasons mean anything to me I can take them into consideration, if not I ignore them. If a player gives a detailed description of what they didn't like about a given game (as the OP has), then I can evaluate whether those points mean anything to me when I play.

What I don't get are the people who feel they have to naysay the OP's opinion. Who cares?

In my experience the best info about a game you get from those who have played but stopped, the ones still playing are in my experience extremely untrustworthy and irrelevant to forming any opinion about a game. Fans are just blowing wind.

Reklaw

Originally posted by JudgeUK

Frustrated with the whole thing here.

Currently forced to hold off until something is done in regard to the EU server location.

UK veteran mmo player: have done all the firewall, remove add-ons, adjust settings, protocols etc etc - still get seconds delay in skill casting. Cyrodil unplayable lag.

Hopefully they will do something with the eu server soon.

EU, Netherlands veteran MMORPG and Gamer overall. Firewall on, never us add-ons really see no reason why, for some reason only able to have all settings on high when I X default. Got some slight delay's but as a MMORPG veteran I have experianced worse so can completely deal with it due to my experiance.

Already stated they are planning to move to a EU based server.

Of course I do hope that would make your game experiance much better.

And OP: Sorry would care more to read about why someone would sub because I really see no use in seeing reasons why someone left unless I am a developer. I leave plenty of games but really don't understand why I should bother strangers as to why. As a gamer I want to hear what people like, enjoy or have fun with. It saddens me to see all these people into games where the majority only complains about these games they TRY to play.

And any MMORPG veteran already should have know better to either take it slow or wait it out for atleast a month to 6 months. Only unexperianced people into these games rush to cap lvl within a month in my opinion. Because they should know better, unless they are the type of people that still haven't learned from past experiances regardless if they didn't experiance the issue's or bugs in other games its a 100% other might have. Simply copy past what ever complain this game gets into google and you will find out that not one MMORPG ever created would be left out. But people tend to ignore things like that and think these things are exclusive. Which again shows lack of experiance in my opinion.