ESO was a major let down, didn't buy that game. At first I also dismissed WS, played one beta weekend prior to this open beta and I managed to play the game for 15 minutes.
This time around I really took my time and fell in love with the game. Today I preordered it and I'll not be playing open beta any more
If you played and enjoyed WoW, you gonna love this. It's all what WoW was, only better in every way possible. Sure, it's not Warcraft universe, but world of WS is very likeable and well crafted. It's not trying to be revolutionary like GW2 (which was crap in my book), it's just packed with loads of small changes that fit together to make a great game. Polish is also there and all in all, I'm loving it.
Big surprise for me!
Every time I read your post, I die a little inside...
Saying the graphics are cool is not about the technical level of it .The style is what I found cool too. I particularly like the graphics and think they are absolutely cool too.
Originally posted by Azzras Of all the things to say good about WS, the graphics are NOT one of them. They look like they're from the 90's.
Of course they are not Crysis graphics, but you can't have those in an MMO at this point. As guy above me said, it's all about the style and this style fricking works. It's lovely to look at
Every time I read your post, I die a little inside...
Originally posted by Azzras Of all the things to say good about WS, the graphics are NOT one of them. They look like they're from the 90's.
Of course they are not Crysis graphics, but you can't have those in an MMO at this point. As guy above me said, it's all about the style and this style fricking works. It's lovely to look at
Graphics look good for their artstyle, clean and smooth. I just didn't like the performance and the artstyle at all. Some people in chat wrote that ncsoft will work hard on the performance so i guess they will manage this problem.
Problem with that artstyle is just they need to do combat animations simlilar to it, well if you played pvp all you see is spamming lights everywhere and red area indicators, personally i don't like this at all, gw2 was similar to this aswell.
The Game Wont Hit Off Big, " Yes Im Prepared To Be Flamed "
. . There Is On Major Over Sight , The Vast Majority Of Gamers Are Not On High End Gamer PCs, This Game Needs A Dedicated 4 Gig of Ram To Operate ,
. . There Will Come A Time When Games Requiring A System With 6+ Gigs Of Ram " 4Gig Game 2Gig OS/Desktop/Systems " Will Be The Norm . Sadly This Is Not That Time, The System Requirements Alone Lock Out 90-95% Of All Gamers .
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We All Know . No One Stays Long In A Game Thats Lag City For There Units . Im Not Saying This Is A Bad Game . Just That The System Requirements Were Not Well Thought Out For A Main Stream MMO At This Point In Gaming History
The Game Wont Hit Off Big, " Yes Im Prepared To Be Flamed "
. . There Is On Major Over Sight , The Vast Majority Of Gamers Are Not On High End Gamer PCs, This Game Needs A Dedicated 4 Gig of Ram To Operate ,
. . There Will Come A Time When Games Requiring A System With 6+ Gigs Of Ram " 4Gig Game 2Gig OS/Desktop/Systems " Will Be The Norm . Sadly This Is Not That Time, The System Requirements Alone Lock Out 90-95% Of All Gamers .
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We All Know . No One Stays Long In A Game Thats Lag City For There Units . Im Not Saying This Is A Bad Game . Just That The System Requirements Were Not Well Thought Out For A Main Stream MMO At This Point In Gaming History
4 gb of ram seems like something that is almost standard on any basic computer nowadays. If you said 8gb or 16gb I would probably agree with you. I really don't see how this is going to keep people at bay.
I think the graphics are going to be a real snag for a lot of people. Several of my friends are excited for the game, even though they are tired of cartoon graphics. They both seem to be under the impression that the graphics at least means it will run fast, like WoW.
I'm pretty sure neither of them realizes it runs like crap.
Friend is actually playing on an old Dual Core and 2 gigs of ram and getting 25 fps... Game apparently pops up a warning that he doesn't meet the ram requirement but the game still runs... But yea ram is cheap and if they cant afford ram they probably cant afford the game.
The Game Wont Hit Off Big, " Yes Im Prepared To Be Flamed "
. . There Is On Major Over Sight , The Vast Majority Of Gamers Are Not On High End Gamer PCs, This Game Needs A Dedicated 4 Gig of Ram To Operate ,
. . There Will Come A Time When Games Requiring A System With 6+ Gigs Of Ram " 4Gig Game 2Gig OS/Desktop/Systems " Will Be The Norm . Sadly This Is Not That Time, The System Requirements Alone Lock Out 90-95% Of All Gamers .
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We All Know . No One Stays Long In A Game Thats Lag City For There Units . Im Not Saying This Is A Bad Game . Just That The System Requirements Were Not Well Thought Out For A Main Stream MMO At This Point In Gaming History
4 gb of ram seems like something that is almost standard on any basic computer nowadays. If you said 8gb or 16gb I would probably agree with you. I really don't see how this is going to keep people at bay.
You'd think that, but I have several friends that play WoW on 2gb dinosaurs still. If it won't run at 50-60FPS on their old PCs, they will drop it like its hot so to speak.
Currently Playing: ESO and FFXIV Have played: You name it If you mention rose tinted glasses, you better be referring to Mitch Hedberg.
The Game Wont Hit Off Big, " Yes Im Prepared To Be Flamed "
. . There Is On Major Over Sight , The Vast Majority Of Gamers Are Not On High End Gamer PCs, This Game Needs A Dedicated 4 Gig of Ram To Operate ,
. . There Will Come A Time When Games Requiring A System With 6+ Gigs Of Ram " 4Gig Game 2Gig OS/Desktop/Systems " Will Be The Norm . Sadly This Is Not That Time, The System Requirements Alone Lock Out 90-95% Of All Gamers .
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We All Know . No One Stays Long In A Game Thats Lag City For There Units . Im Not Saying This Is A Bad Game . Just That The System Requirements Were Not Well Thought Out For A Main Stream MMO At This Point In Gaming History
4 gb of ram seems like something that is almost standard on any basic computer nowadays. If you said 8gb or 16gb I would probably agree with you. I really don't see how this is going to keep people at bay.
The reason 4 gigs might be a high requirement is because it's the most that most people have. It's common to go walk into Best Buy right now and see a variety of laptops and desktops that come with only 4 gig. Which brings me to my next point...
Laptops are getting to be very common. WoW gained popularity because it could run on nearly any computer for it's time, which meant attracting the casual audience was possible. I remember the original Mac Mini could even play WoW.
I think with WildStar, we'll have a lot of people giving it a try (strong first month sales), including a huge number of current and ex-WoW players looking for something new, yet still familiar. Unless Carbine does a complete 360 on performance, which isn't likely, a lot of people will have no choice but to stop playing.
So why does the WoW crowd matter? Because Carbine and fans of WildStar know they need a large and healthy population for the end-game raiding and pvp stuff they are going for. Otherwise, you have another Rift scenario where the content is there, but the population can barely experience it.
In fact, I think we'll see a lot of comparisons to Rift, in the next year or two.
The Game Wont Hit Off Big, " Yes Im Prepared To Be Flamed "
. . There Is On Major Over Sight , The Vast Majority Of Gamers Are Not On High End Gamer PCs, This Game Needs A Dedicated 4 Gig of Ram To Operate ,
. . There Will Come A Time When Games Requiring A System With 6+ Gigs Of Ram " 4Gig Game 2Gig OS/Desktop/Systems " Will Be The Norm . Sadly This Is Not That Time, The System Requirements Alone Lock Out 90-95% Of All Gamers .
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We All Know . No One Stays Long In A Game Thats Lag City For There Units . Im Not Saying This Is A Bad Game . Just That The System Requirements Were Not Well Thought Out For A Main Stream MMO At This Point In Gaming History
4 gb of ram seems like something that is almost standard on any basic computer nowadays. If you said 8gb or 16gb I would probably agree with you. I really don't see how this is going to keep people at bay.
You'd think that, but I have several friends that play WoW on 2gb dinosaurs still. If it won't run at 50-60FPS on their old PCs, they will drop it like its hot so to speak.
Not to sound rude. But, those friends of yours with their ancient computers are better off not playing Wildstar. I really couldn't stand the constant whining we would hear in general chat about how this game doesn't run as well as WoW. Even though they are trying to run it on a graphing calculator.
The beta has been very underwhelming so far. I played a decent amount, most of the time I was just spamclicking through pointless quest text and then going to interact with A or kill B. I have to ask myself, why? Why should I want to do the same thing I have been doing in countless other games.
ESO had the IP going for it, this game is a new IP. I just don't see this game doing well in the long run. Aside from the humorous approach to things, it lacks any kind of personality or soul.
If I had to review this, my review would be: "Meh."
The Game Wont Hit Off Big, " Yes Im Prepared To Be Flamed "
. . There Is On Major Over Sight , The Vast Majority Of Gamers Are Not On High End Gamer PCs, This Game Needs A Dedicated 4 Gig of Ram To Operate ,
. . There Will Come A Time When Games Requiring A System With 6+ Gigs Of Ram " 4Gig Game 2Gig OS/Desktop/Systems " Will Be The Norm . Sadly This Is Not That Time, The System Requirements Alone Lock Out 90-95% Of All Gamers .
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We All Know . No One Stays Long In A Game Thats Lag City For There Units . Im Not Saying This Is A Bad Game . Just That The System Requirements Were Not Well Thought Out For A Main Stream MMO At This Point In Gaming History
4 gb of ram seems like something that is almost standard on any basic computer nowadays. If you said 8gb or 16gb I would probably agree with you. I really don't see how this is going to keep people at bay.
The reason 4 gigs might be a high requirement is because it's the most that most people have. It's common to go walk into Best Buy right now and see a variety of laptops and desktops that come with only 4 gig. Which brings me to my next point...
Laptops are getting to be very common. WoW gained popularity because it could run on nearly any computer for it's time, which meant attracting the casual audience was possible. I remember the original Mac Mini could even play WoW.
I think with WildStar, we'll have a lot of people giving it a try (strong first month sales), including a huge number of current and ex-WoW players looking for something new, yet still familiar. Unless Carbine does a complete 360 on performance, which isn't likely, a lot of people will have no choice but to stop playing.
So why does the WoW crowd matter? Because Carbine and fans of WildStar know they need a large and healthy population for the end-game raiding and pvp stuff they are going for. Otherwise, you have another Rift scenario where the content is there, but the population can barely experience it.
In fact, I think we'll see a lot of comparisons to Rift, in the next year or two.
I can respect what you are saying here. But, Rift has no soul. Wildstar has a lot of soul. That difference will probably never put these games in the same league. Also, im not sure if you've tried out the open beta. I was in closed beta since last year. I used the same computer. I am getting a much better performance in open beta then I have ever had in closed beta. The fact that they have really improved it for open beta tells me that its a good chance the game will run even better on launch. But, I suppose only time will tell.
Lol and what are the odds that they won't be able to optimise for the very market you are talking about, since that's exactly what they have designed their software to support - software designed with original bliz devs over 9 years. Mm.
Alternative? They are optimising near end of beta just like wow and GW2 did -exact same issues btw.
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I can respect what you are saying here. But, Rift has no soul. Wildstar has a lot of soul. That difference will probably never put these games in the same league. Also, im not sure if you've tried out the open beta. I was in closed beta since last year. I used the same computer. I am getting a much better performance in open beta then I have ever had in closed beta. The fact that they have really improved it for open beta tells me that its a good chance the game will run even better on launch. But, I suppose only time will tell.
Technically, Rift has a lot more Souls... Just sayin'.
Actually its not first, played before on Closed beta. After purchasing Elder Scrolls Online decided to give a try for WildStar.
Generally game is really cool; super cool graphics, smooth movement, nice battlegrounds. Problem NCSoft has got is there is no leaderboards and really low population. I mean, come on it is open beta(public) still servers population are LOW. Other than those things game has got potential. I'm not sure yet but I could buy the game before released.
Let's more talk about WildStar.
Quests are pretty nice, features especially housing and side classes (scientist,explorer and blah blah) are really impressive. It making game active while doing quests I was researching about biology. What I'm saying is it is FUN. Sadly still populations are Low, I dont know what will happen when game started but looks like will be free in future. I hope we wont see this game in MMORPG garbage in future; because of its well maded!
I played WoW for long time, honestly this game %100 better than WoW. Why? Better features, better activities and of course better graphics.
But If you are confused between The Elder Scrolls Online and WildStar. I would recommend you give a try ESO. Dont get me wrong am not a fan boy. ESO has got a lot of problems but its more populated and more serious.
Thank you for reading, I would love to hear your open beta impressions.
Soooo your saying its a great game that is well made but because its population is low ( open beta ) you would recommend a game that as you admitted has ALOT of problems / that is LIVE ( you have to buy then subscribe ) because it has more people in it?
Problem NCSoft has got is there is no leaderboards and really low population. I mean, come on it is open beta(public) still servers population are LOW.
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Leaderboards i got nothing on.. Guess it will come at release.
But the population thing... You do know that it only indicates how full the servers are... Not how many people that are on. i have always been confused over why some developers keep using words... A green/yellow/red dot does the job just as well and does not lead to things like that *points up*
Now that being said i would assume that the biggest push is coming now once people start to get home from what ever and dinner is done.
The Game Wont Hit Off Big, " Yes Im Prepared To Be Flamed "
. . There Is On Major Over Sight , The Vast Majority Of Gamers Are Not On High End Gamer PCs, This Game Needs A Dedicated 4 Gig of Ram To Operate ,
. . There Will Come A Time When Games Requiring A System With 6+ Gigs Of Ram " 4Gig Game 2Gig OS/Desktop/Systems " Will Be The Norm . Sadly This Is Not That Time, The System Requirements Alone Lock Out 90-95% Of All Gamers .
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We All Know . No One Stays Long In A Game Thats Lag City For There Units . Im Not Saying This Is A Bad Game . Just That The System Requirements Were Not Well Thought Out For A Main Stream MMO At This Point In Gaming History
4 gb of ram seems like something that is almost standard on any basic computer nowadays. If you said 8gb or 16gb I would probably agree with you. I really don't see how this is going to keep people at bay.
The recommended for Wildstar is 8GB...minimum means it may run okay on the lowest settings.
Originally posted by Azzras Of all the things to say good about WS, the graphics are NOT one of them. They look like they're from the 90's.
I'm not sure I would give WS's questing much props either. End game seems to be where Wildstar shines and really outside PVP is where ESO is the weakest right now. ESO is a much better ride to cap but Wildstar has more to do once you get there.
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So, OP, are you saying that WS is 100% better than WoW, but ESO is better?
ESO was a major let down, didn't buy that game. At first I also dismissed WS, played one beta weekend prior to this open beta and I managed to play the game for 15 minutes.
This time around I really took my time and fell in love with the game. Today I preordered it and I'll not be playing open beta any more
If you played and enjoyed WoW, you gonna love this. It's all what WoW was, only better in every way possible. Sure, it's not Warcraft universe, but world of WS is very likeable and well crafted. It's not trying to be revolutionary like GW2 (which was crap in my book), it's just packed with loads of small changes that fit together to make a great game. Polish is also there and all in all, I'm loving it.
Big surprise for me!
Of course they are not Crysis graphics, but you can't have those in an MMO at this point. As guy above me said, it's all about the style and this style fricking works. It's lovely to look at
Graphics look good for their artstyle, clean and smooth. I just didn't like the performance and the artstyle at all. Some people in chat wrote that ncsoft will work hard on the performance so i guess they will manage this problem.
Problem with that artstyle is just they need to do combat animations simlilar to it, well if you played pvp all you see is spamming lights everywhere and red area indicators, personally i don't like this at all, gw2 was similar to this aswell.
The Game Wont Hit Off Big, " Yes Im Prepared To Be Flamed "
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There Is On Major Over Sight , The Vast Majority Of Gamers Are Not On High End Gamer PCs, This Game Needs A Dedicated 4 Gig of Ram To Operate ,
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There Will Come A Time When Games Requiring A System With 6+ Gigs Of Ram " 4Gig Game 2Gig OS/Desktop/Systems " Will Be The Norm . Sadly This Is Not That Time, The System Requirements Alone Lock Out 90-95% Of All Gamers .
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We All Know . No One Stays Long In A Game Thats Lag City For There Units . Im Not Saying This Is A Bad Game . Just That The System Requirements Were Not Well Thought Out For A Main Stream MMO At This Point In Gaming History
As for eso, it's really pretty bland IMO, definatly not better than wow, half decent game.
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
DL'ing WS client as we speak..
WS is idd very well made. The problem is it feels too much like a game and not a world.
I'm giving it another shot, tho, since ESO was such a letdown.
4 gb of ram seems like something that is almost standard on any basic computer nowadays. If you said 8gb or 16gb I would probably agree with you. I really don't see how this is going to keep people at bay.
I think the graphics are going to be a real snag for a lot of people. Several of my friends are excited for the game, even though they are tired of cartoon graphics. They both seem to be under the impression that the graphics at least means it will run fast, like WoW.
I'm pretty sure neither of them realizes it runs like crap.
You make me like charity
You'd think that, but I have several friends that play WoW on 2gb dinosaurs still. If it won't run at 50-60FPS on their old PCs, they will drop it like its hot so to speak.
Currently Playing: ESO and FFXIV
Have played: You name it
If you mention rose tinted glasses, you better be referring to Mitch Hedberg.
The reason 4 gigs might be a high requirement is because it's the most that most people have. It's common to go walk into Best Buy right now and see a variety of laptops and desktops that come with only 4 gig. Which brings me to my next point...
Laptops are getting to be very common. WoW gained popularity because it could run on nearly any computer for it's time, which meant attracting the casual audience was possible. I remember the original Mac Mini could even play WoW.
I think with WildStar, we'll have a lot of people giving it a try (strong first month sales), including a huge number of current and ex-WoW players looking for something new, yet still familiar. Unless Carbine does a complete 360 on performance, which isn't likely, a lot of people will have no choice but to stop playing.
So why does the WoW crowd matter? Because Carbine and fans of WildStar know they need a large and healthy population for the end-game raiding and pvp stuff they are going for. Otherwise, you have another Rift scenario where the content is there, but the population can barely experience it.
In fact, I think we'll see a lot of comparisons to Rift, in the next year or two.
You make me like charity
Not to sound rude. But, those friends of yours with their ancient computers are better off not playing Wildstar. I really couldn't stand the constant whining we would hear in general chat about how this game doesn't run as well as WoW. Even though they are trying to run it on a graphing calculator.
The beta has been very underwhelming so far. I played a decent amount, most of the time I was just spamclicking through pointless quest text and then going to interact with A or kill B. I have to ask myself, why? Why should I want to do the same thing I have been doing in countless other games.
ESO had the IP going for it, this game is a new IP. I just don't see this game doing well in the long run. Aside from the humorous approach to things, it lacks any kind of personality or soul.
If I had to review this, my review would be: "Meh."
I can respect what you are saying here. But, Rift has no soul. Wildstar has a lot of soul. That difference will probably never put these games in the same league. Also, im not sure if you've tried out the open beta. I was in closed beta since last year. I used the same computer. I am getting a much better performance in open beta then I have ever had in closed beta. The fact that they have really improved it for open beta tells me that its a good chance the game will run even better on launch. But, I suppose only time will tell.
Alternative? They are optimising near end of beta just like wow and GW2 did -exact same issues btw.
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
Technically, Rift has a lot more Souls... Just sayin'.
You make me like charity
Nexus (the CBT server) is packed with people, I don't know about the other servers though.
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rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
Soooo your saying its a great game that is well made but because its population is low ( open beta ) you would recommend a game that as you admitted has ALOT of problems / that is LIVE ( you have to buy then subscribe ) because it has more people in it?
Leaderboards i got nothing on.. Guess it will come at release.
But the population thing... You do know that it only indicates how full the servers are... Not how many people that are on. i have always been confused over why some developers keep using words... A green/yellow/red dot does the job just as well and does not lead to things like that *points up*
Now that being said i would assume that the biggest push is coming now once people start to get home from what ever and dinner is done.
This have been a good conversation
The recommended for Wildstar is 8GB...minimum means it may run okay on the lowest settings.
I'm not sure I would give WS's questing much props either. End game seems to be where Wildstar shines and really outside PVP is where ESO is the weakest right now. ESO is a much better ride to cap but Wildstar has more to do once you get there.