Originally posted by jesteralways If the title of the game were World of Warcraft and the developer name were Blizzard we would see what people truly think of this act.
I fail to see the difference if Blizzard did this. What am I missing?
Blizzard began selling an in-game pet and gave 100% (I think) of the proceeds to Hatai, or another charity cause.
Yet, people bashed Blizzard and called it 'shameless marketing.' Because donating to charity is marketing nowadays? It cannot possible be because Blizzard are made up of decent people, because apparently its made up of heartless money grabbers.
I went to war in 2007 for this country, lost my wife to drugs followed by suicide, had my supposed brothers in arms turn their backs on me and all i have to show for it now is a severe hatred for Fort Hood and no future. If ive learned anything in life is that no one in the USA really gives a rats ass about anyone but themselves there are a rare few that genuinely care but emphasis on the word rare. I met more genuine honest people in Iraq then I have in my entire life here. Whether or not this is marketing so what im glad that at least someone brave enough to go to war has been recognized and I can only hope his fate is better than my own.
Originally posted by Datastar I went to war in 2007 for this country, lost my wife to drugs followed by suicide, had my supposed brothers in arms turn their backs on me and all i have to show for it now is a severe hatred for Fort Hood and no future. If ive learned anything in life is that no one in the USA really gives a rats ass about anyone but themselves there are a rare few that genuinely care but emphasis on the word rare. I met more genuine honest people in Iraq then I have in my entire life here. Whether or not this is marketing so what im glad that at least someone brave enough to go to war has been recognized and I can only hope his fate is better than my own.
Way more hardcore than ffa loot. Peace my brother, I have 3 brothers in the military.
Originally posted by laokoko "if you want to be a game designer, you should sell your house and fund your game. Since if you won't even fund your own game, no one will".
I hope they all come home to you safely bud, its taken me all these years just to be able to talk about it granted mmorpg.com forums is likely not the best place to do so i was just moved by the video is all.
Originally posted by Datastar I hope they all come home to you safely bud, its taken me all these years just to be able to talk about it granted mmorpg.com forums is likely not the best place to do so i was just moved by the video is all.
If you really care, that is all that matters!
Originally posted by laokoko "if you want to be a game designer, you should sell your house and fund your game. Since if you won't even fund your own game, no one will".
This is completely different than Blizzard. It's very insulting that you think they're the same.
Blizzard sold a pet, kept 50% of profits, and sent the other half to make-a-wish. All Blizzard did was essentially profit a million off dying kids while the people that bought the pet gave a million to make-a-wish, Blizzard didn't actually give anything. People are stupid they thank the organizer for running it while spitting in the face of people who actually gave.
This Wildstar gesture is just a good deed tho. They deserve an applause!
Originally posted by jesteralways If the title of the game were World of Warcraft and the developer name were Blizzard we would see what people truly think of this act.
I fail to see the difference if Blizzard did this. What am I missing?
Blizzard began selling an in-game pet and gave 100% (I think) of the proceeds to Hatai, or another charity cause.
Yet, people bashed Blizzard and called it 'shameless marketing.' Because donating to charity is marketing nowadays? It cannot possible be because Blizzard are made up of decent people, because apparently its made up of heartless money grabbers.
The problem is the way people read into this stuff, who's to say any of these other studios haven't done something similar on a more private level? Saying this one "cares" sorta kinda, in a round about way says others don't.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Originally posted by serialMMOist Definitely a marketing ploy. I wish more companies used this kind of marketing. Good for them I say!
Blizzard and Trion both do charity donations off of in game sales. Yes, it gets them a huge spike and sales and the donation is probably a tax write off, but its still a VERY GOOD thing to do. They are helping make lives better somewhere.
And most developers do care, marketing or not. Just look at the ribbitribbit story in EQ2. A lot of SoE staff worked with the players for that. There are examples in other games as well.
Blizzard sold a pet, kept 50% of profits, and sent the other half to make-a-wish. All Blizzard did was essentially profit a million off dying kids while the people that bought the pet gave a million to make-a-wish, Blizzard didn't actually give anything. People are stupid they thank the organizer for running it while spitting in the face of people who actually gave.
mad respect to carbine for this act of kindess, alienware laptop, year sub to wildstar for her and her family, accessories and promotional gear... plus hand delivered, with everything going on and how busy they must be at HQ they still took time out to do this, anyone who shows malice towards this act really needs to take a look in the mirror about their life choices that have made them so hating and rotten on the inside.
syriinx, I'd love to hear why you disagree with me. Feel free to PM me if you're worried of saying it publicly.
I stand by my comments that Blizzard used sick and dying kids to make money which is disgraceful. They should not be commended for that if you wish to commend someone commend the people that actually bought the pet.
Originally posted by Ludwik syriinx, I'd love to hear why you disagree with me. Feel free to PM me if you're worried of saying it publicly.
I stand by my comments that Blizzard used sick and dying kids to make money which is disgraceful. They should not be commended for that if you wish to commend someone commend the people that actually bought the pet.
Depends on how much the pet costs.
In economics when a business has a new tax there are generally 2 ways to deal with the new tax.
1. increase cost of item with new tax - which means the customer pays more
2. Keep the price the same, and the tax falls under that price - which means the business is paying that tax.
So if the cost of the pet was a reasonable price, then you can say that blizzard was cutting in from their own profits of the pet revenue to give to charity. Sure there is that novelty of being charitable when buying a pet, but its still an option that they didnt have to offer. Its somewhat of a mixed bag, and it does seem kind of sleezy, but I would say its better than nothing... and lot of business try to integrate charity organizations into their businesses, thus its a norm... at least its not false advertising like other businesses.
Write bad things that are done to you in sand, but write the good things that happen to you on a piece of marble
Originally posted by Ludwik syriinx, I'd love to hear why you disagree with me. Feel free to PM me if you're worried of saying it publicly.
I stand by my comments that Blizzard used sick and dying kids to make money which is disgraceful. They should not be commended for that if you wish to commend someone commend the people that actually bought the pet.
So you think they shouldn't have done it so the kids got nothing instead?
The money made is off of the tax breaks, they would have made more raw revenue just keeping the full $10. Less sales, sure, but not 50% less sales. they were going to sell the pets anyway, and make a mountain of money anyway. So they used favorable tax laws to send some of that money to a good cause. And for all we know they may have actually gotten less money doing it this way, something neither of us could know without seeing Activision's books.
And they got *significantly* more money to denote then if they had just flat out asked people to donate. The vast majority of that money was from people that were going to buy the pets anyway.
This is something all companies should be encouraged to do with their micro transactions. Regardless of if its good for the company or not its certainly great for the charity.
I'm not sure, in any other form of charity work If the seller said they were keeping 50% we would all be looking on with disgust. Now I'd that same pet was going to sell like hot cakes anyway then that's fair enough. In any cases it's a PR mess, why not just give all to charity and stick 5p on the rest of their pets to give them the profits to compensate. I would be nodding with respect at that decision.
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Originally posted by jesteralways If the title of the game were World of Warcraft and the developer name were Blizzard we would see what people truly think of this act.
I fail to see the difference if Blizzard did this. What am I missing?
Blizzard began selling an in-game pet and gave 100% (I think) of the proceeds to Hatai, or another charity cause.
Yet, people bashed Blizzard and called it 'shameless marketing.' Because donating to charity is marketing nowadays? It cannot possible be because Blizzard are made up of decent people, because apparently its made up of heartless money grabbers.
100% of the sale and also another 1 million $ from blizzard employees. But yeah you got my point.
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Originally posted by Bladestrom I'm not sure, in any other form of charity work If the seller said they were keeping 50% we would all be looking on with disgust. Now I'd that same pet was going to sell like hot cakes anyway then that's fair enough. In any cases it's a PR mess, why not just give all to charity and stick 5p on the rest of their pets to give them the profits to compensate. I would be nodding with respect at that decision.
Of course it was going to sell like hotcakes, they always do. And people were giving $10 to blizzard for a type of tiem that always costs $10.
Its like if you saw the movie theater near you advertising half of the ticket proceeds from X-men were going to a charity. Theyd sell a few extra tickets, but most were going to go see the movie anyway. its a no brainer, slam dunk product and they are turning half of it into a donation instead of keeping the full amount for themselves like normal.
Yes, they get a huge tax deduction (this is why corporations do donations) so its mostly not coming from their pockets, but its still a great thing for that charity.
I couldn't help but tear up alittle Wildstar and Carbine is the peoples game and company of course this is part of a marketing plan and if it helps people in need then more power too it many companies use public service to get publicist or build their company around a community more good than bad is the result better this family in need get some value from the companies market plan rather than a rich advertising agency for creating a ad. Good Job Wildstar and Tony real people helping real people! No losers here and this is why I love Carbine and WIldstar.
And most developers do care, marketing or not. Just look at the ribbitribbit story in EQ2. A lot of SoE staff worked with the players for that. There are examples in other games as well.
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Agreed.
This is really cool for Carbine to do. Much respect for their decision to give back.
Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!
Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!
Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!
Blizzard began selling an in-game pet and gave 100% (I think) of the proceeds to Hatai, or another charity cause.
Yet, people bashed Blizzard and called it 'shameless marketing.' Because donating to charity is marketing nowadays? It cannot possible be because Blizzard are made up of decent people, because apparently its made up of heartless money grabbers.
Way more hardcore than ffa loot. Peace my brother, I have 3 brothers in the military.
Originally posted by laokoko
"if you want to be a game designer, you should sell your house and fund your game. Since if you won't even fund your own game, no one will".
If you really care, that is all that matters!
Originally posted by laokoko
"if you want to be a game designer, you should sell your house and fund your game. Since if you won't even fund your own game, no one will".
Blizzard sold a pet, kept 50% of profits, and sent the other half to make-a-wish. All Blizzard did was essentially profit a million off dying kids while the people that bought the pet gave a million to make-a-wish, Blizzard didn't actually give anything. People are stupid they thank the organizer for running it while spitting in the face of people who actually gave.
This Wildstar gesture is just a good deed tho. They deserve an applause!
I really like this company. Can't wait to play their game.
Good job guys.
Rowein
Agreed - despite what I think of this game, this was a really, really cool thing to do.
The problem is the way people read into this stuff, who's to say any of these other studios haven't done something similar on a more private level? Saying this one "cares" sorta kinda, in a round about way says others don't.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Blizzard and Trion both do charity donations off of in game sales. Yes, it gets them a huge spike and sales and the donation is probably a tax write off, but its still a VERY GOOD thing to do. They are helping make lives better somewhere.
And most developers do care, marketing or not. Just look at the ribbitribbit story in EQ2. A lot of SoE staff worked with the players for that. There are examples in other games as well.
I am so tempted to get another ban right now.
I stand by my comments that Blizzard used sick and dying kids to make money which is disgraceful. They should not be commended for that if you wish to commend someone commend the people that actually bought the pet.
Depends on how much the pet costs.
In economics when a business has a new tax there are generally 2 ways to deal with the new tax.
1. increase cost of item with new tax - which means the customer pays more
2. Keep the price the same, and the tax falls under that price - which means the business is paying that tax.
So if the cost of the pet was a reasonable price, then you can say that blizzard was cutting in from their own profits of the pet revenue to give to charity. Sure there is that novelty of being charitable when buying a pet, but its still an option that they didnt have to offer. Its somewhat of a mixed bag, and it does seem kind of sleezy, but I would say its better than nothing... and lot of business try to integrate charity organizations into their businesses, thus its a norm... at least its not false advertising like other businesses.
Write bad things that are done to you in sand, but write the good things that happen to you on a piece of marble
So you think they shouldn't have done it so the kids got nothing instead?
The money made is off of the tax breaks, they would have made more raw revenue just keeping the full $10. Less sales, sure, but not 50% less sales. they were going to sell the pets anyway, and make a mountain of money anyway. So they used favorable tax laws to send some of that money to a good cause. And for all we know they may have actually gotten less money doing it this way, something neither of us could know without seeing Activision's books.
And they got *significantly* more money to denote then if they had just flat out asked people to donate. The vast majority of that money was from people that were going to buy the pets anyway.
This is something all companies should be encouraged to do with their micro transactions. Regardless of if its good for the company or not its certainly great for the charity.
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Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
100% of the sale and also another 1 million $ from blizzard employees. But yeah you got my point.
Boobs are LIFE, Boobs are LOVE, Boobs are JUSTICE, Boobs are mankind's HOPES and DREAMS. People who complain about boobs have lost their humanity.
Of course it was going to sell like hotcakes, they always do. And people were giving $10 to blizzard for a type of tiem that always costs $10.
Its like if you saw the movie theater near you advertising half of the ticket proceeds from X-men were going to a charity. Theyd sell a few extra tickets, but most were going to go see the movie anyway. its a no brainer, slam dunk product and they are turning half of it into a donation instead of keeping the full amount for themselves like normal.
Yes, they get a huge tax deduction (this is why corporations do donations) so its mostly not coming from their pockets, but its still a great thing for that charity.
ribbitribbit story
http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/17/the-tattered-notebook-the-touching-story-of-ribbitribbit-and-th/
Blizzard also did a personal touch with making a dieing kid happy
http://www.wowwiki.com/Ezra_Chatterton
EQ2 fan sites
Different strokes for different folks.
MMORPG market is saturated with fantasy/medieval type games. Play one of them if this doesn't take your fancy?
There hasn't really been much choices for sci fi until recently.
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