When I was making this thread I was actually looking at the motherboards but I don't understand much on motherboards I kept it open for suggestions. All I look in motherboards is how much ram slots it has and what type of memory it can store since I don't know what to look for differences.
Anyway, there's so many variants of the Z87 I was looking at initially I got confused.
When I was making this thread I was actually looking at the motherboards but I don't understand much on motherboards I kept it open for suggestions. All I look in motherboards is how much ram slots it has and what type of memory it can store since I don't know what to look for differences.
Anyway, there's so many variants of the Z87 I was looking at initially I got confused.
The one for 160 euro slots a different processor as well, it have 1155 pins slot instead of 1150.
It also have MSIs audio boost (whatever that is).
The Z87 chipset is only for LGA 1150. The site is confused; I think it's really an LGA 1150 motherboard. But I'd likely just not get it on the basis of not knowing for certain what it was.
The one for 160 euro slots a different processor as well, it have 1155 pins slot instead of 1150.
It also have MSIs audio boost (whatever that is).
The Z87 chipset is only for LGA 1150. The site is confused; I think it's really an LGA 1150 motherboard. But I'd likely just not get it on the basis of not knowing for certain what it was.
Sorry for keeping on saying the same thing but since it's only the motherboard left from the parts, can I get an answer on which one from those 3? Also a statement on why x is more expensive than y would be very nice.
Once that is done I'd like your opinions on if I should stick with windows 7 or opt for windows 8 now that they are going to make or already did a user interface for computers not tablets.
Well the graphic card was talked a lot in those 3 pages so yea......
I changed my first post since every new person that posts keeps on talking about the gtx 750ti that I scrapped.
Sorry just trying to help oh and if no one''s mentioned it yet: the lite retail version is a few euros cheaper if you already have compatible cables and whatnot (I am going for a scratch build on a student budget so imagine how happy I am )
Originally posted by Bloodaxes Well the graphic card was talked a lot in those 3 pages so yea......I changed my first post since every new person that posts keeps on talking about the gtx 750ti that I scrapped.
You say you want to spent money on GPU depending on what is "left", that is imo wrong approach since GPU is your most important component.
Originally posted by Bloodaxes Well the graphic card was talked a lot in those 3 pages so yea......
I changed my first post since every new person that posts keeps on talking about the gtx 750ti that I scrapped.
You say you want to spent money on GPU depending on what is "left", that is imo wrong approach since GPU is your most important component.
Actually the CPU is because that dictates when the next upgrade will be while a GPU you can upgrade without having to change most things if you go for a true upgrade ( I think the next gen intel CPUs will be the first cpus from them that will be backwards compatible, I think, so haswell minimum for intel stuff which isn't as cheap as you'd want it).
Originally posted by Bloodaxes Well the graphic card was talked a lot in those 3 pages so yea......
I changed my first post since every new person that posts keeps on talking about the gtx 750ti that I scrapped.
You say you want to spent money on GPU depending on what is "left", that is imo wrong approach since GPU is your most important component.
Not really.
To upgrade my CPU I need a new motherboard that supports x sockets, to upgrade a GPU all I need is to buy one and fit it in.
I could simply stay with my current GPU while saving for one if the total cost is higher than expected. I am simply asking people on what I should get, the GPU is not the main point of this thread.
To upgrade my CPU I need a new motherboard that supports x sockets, to upgrade a GPU all I need is to buy one and fit it in.
I could simply stay with my current GPU while saving for one if the total cost is higher than expected. I am simply asking people on what I should get, the GPU is not the main point of this thread.
The 460 is pretty outdated and a mainstream gamer card at that, so I would update that but you could wait a month or 2 with that since your CPU really is ancient. Waiting a few months and getting a 770 or 780 is actually a lot better than getting a mid range graphics card right now.
The GPU is really indeed the most important part of gaming computer but however is your CPU so old by now that it will bottleneck you so I think you are starting in the right corner here.
Focus on a new motherboard and a new CPU right now, then make a GPU upgrade when you can afford it and you will have a really good PC.
I never had any actual problems with my current system until I bought arma 3 to play the battle royale mod.
I get frequent mini freezes making me unable to play it even with everything down. (Tough the engine has it's faults too)
I played final fantasy xiv on medium which is quite graphic intensive, play guild wars 2 and all modern mmorpgs fine. I'm not a person who requires the game to be on max on graphics to enjoy it but heh the time has come to upgrade it.
I certainly know the CPU is outdated by now that's why I keep on insisting that I'm not going to buy a cheaper CPU to get a good GPU.
Originally posted by Bloodaxes Not really.To upgrade my CPU I need a new motherboard that supports x sockets, to upgrade a GPU all I need is to buy one and fit it in.I could simply stay with my current GPU while saving for one if the total cost is higher than expected. I am simply asking people on what I should get, the GPU is not the main point of this thread.
What you "should get", is mostly a matter of GPU, but you seem to be missing the point...
Originally posted by BloodaxesI certainly know the CPU is outdated by now that's why I keep on insisting that I'm not going to buy a cheaper CPU to get a good GPU.
False logic.
Your GPU will bottleneck your system so much easier, there is no point spending money on CPU over GPU...
Listen, no one is agreeing with you and I'm not going to get a GPU if the total cost of a new motherboard+cpu+ram exceeds my expectations. I'd rather upgrade 3 parts that will last and provide a boost in stability than upgrading the GPU only and still suffer sluttering in arma 3 just to make the game look "pretty".
So enough thread derailing, I still require some help on which motherboard to pick.
When I was making this thread I was actually looking at the motherboards but I don't understand much on motherboards I kept it open for suggestions. All I look in motherboards is how much ram slots it has and what type of memory it can store since I don't know what to look for differences.
Anyway, there's so many variants of the Z87 I was looking at initially I got confused.
Not sure how much help this will be, but the MSI Z87-G45 socket 1155 mobo appears to be a discontinued line, so probably a good idea not to get it, assuming they still have some in stock. Overall, i'd say the Z87-G55 is probably the best mobo of those 3. Just looking at the spec's at least that would be the one i would choose for myself.
That G45 has a misspelling in the link, it's actually for socket 1150.
It doesn't need to be specifically between those 3 if you want to take a look at the motherboards and suggest one you personally think it's better in the 150 price range I'll look for it on amazon or something.
Originally posted by Bloodaxes Listen, no one is agreeing with you and I'm not going to get a GPU if the total cost of a new motherboard+cpu+ram exceeds my expectations. I'd rather upgrade 3 parts that will last and provide a boost in stability than upgrading the GPU only and still suffer sluttering in arma 3 just to make the game look "pretty".So enough thread derailing, I still require some help on which motherboard to pick.
God forbid to say some sensible here...feel free to waste your money on components you do not need but do not ask for advice then...
You may think your post comes for the good but in reality the GPU is the easiest part to swap as it doesn't require me specific parts to work with unlike the CPU.
And if you saw my current specs you would see my other parts are old now too. So, no, it's not the GPU my only problem, the rest require a total change of other specific parts which in result makes them of higher importance to me.
So again, if the price calculated is higher than expected I can certainly wait an extra month and get the GPU separately. I'm not playing any mmorpg at the moment anyway so there's no real rush.
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Annnd back on topic.
I think ordering them by amazon instead of buying them from here might be a tad cheaper but need to see the difference.
Originally posted by Bloodaxes Listen, no one is agreeing with you and I'm not going to get a GPU if the total cost of a new motherboard+cpu+ram exceeds my expectations. I'd rather upgrade 3 parts that will last and provide a boost in stability than upgrading the GPU only and still suffer sluttering in arma 3 just to make the game look "pretty".
So enough thread derailing, I still require some help on which motherboard to pick.
God forbid to say some sensible here...feel free to waste your money on components you do not need but do not ask for advice then...
-facepalms- he has a CPU from when Bush Jr. was still a recent thing and you say an upgrade there won't be needed? To say nothing of the fact that that generation of CPUs had performance issues for me personally ( my laptop with a shitty i5-2410M and a 6650M held its own against a quad core 2 duo, best of its lot, with a 6950 in the GPU slot and that's a generation between them, if he upgrades to a i5 ivy bridge or waits for broadwell and gets a R9 270X later his gaming will be set for 4-5 years easy, not 1 maybe 2 at best with just mounting up a rocket booster on a donkey as you suggest).
Originally posted by Bloodaxes
You may think your post comes for the good but in reality the GPU is the easiest part to swap as it doesn't require me specific parts to work with unlike the CPU.
And if you saw my current specs you would see my other parts are old now too. So, no, it's not the GPU my only problem, the rest require a total change of other specific parts which in result makes them of higher importance to me.
So again, if the price calculated is higher than expected I can certainly wait an extra month and get the GPU separately. I'm not playing any mmorpg at the moment anyway so there's no real rush.
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Annnd back on topic.
I think ordering them by amazon instead of buying them from here might be a tad cheaper but need to see the difference.
Total cost around 380 GBP which quickly exchanged in euros is around 470 excluding shipping.
(Been looking and searching and some people prefer asus motherboards over msi and the pro/hero one has been mentioned a lot)
The CPU is only marginally better than its ivybridge counterpart (in terms of performance, bout 5% maybe 10% at best) and with the upcoming broadwell you could either wait for that to either get a broadwell or see how the ivy bridge prices fluctuate if the performance gain is not worth the cash.
Originally posted by Bloodaxes You may think your post comes for the good but in reality the GPU is the easiest part to swap as it doesn't require me specific parts to work with unlike the CPU.
The easiest to replace is a mouse pad, I think that is what you should get, and get the most expensive one so it last you.
Every person knows I need a new GPU by now, keeping on insisting on changing only it over the rest is stupid sorry.
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And for the reference a mouse pad is not a computer part (Besides I have a razer mouse pad and mouse) but nice attempt on trying to insult me.
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Seems like I can ship the CPU and Ram just fine from amazon but not that specific motherboard I linked. (The asus Z97 Hero)
Anyone can suggest me which asus motherboard to pick? The Z97 Pro/Hero, Z87 Pro/Hero or something else? Since from google researching they seem to be the most popular. (The asus brand I mean)
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The one for 160 euro slots a different processor as well, it have 1155 pins slot instead of 1150.
It also have MSIs audio boost (whatever that is).
The Z87 chipset is only for LGA 1150. The site is confused; I think it's really an LGA 1150 motherboard. But I'd likely just not get it on the basis of not knowing for certain what it was.
I wouldn't bother with i3.
Get an Intel G3420 and use the money on better GPU or elsewhere. If you need the performance mostly in games, GPU matters the most.
Hmm, you are right: http://www.msi.com/product/mb/Z87G45_GAMING.html#overview, at least if the card is rightly marked in number.
I would honestly avoid that dealer altogether, someone who messes up stuff like this is not a retailer I would trust.
Well I'm probably going to get the parts from amazon depending on the cost differences.
What I listed where in the socket 1150 list so it's probably just a spelling mistake from their end.
Sorry for keeping on saying the same thing but since it's only the motherboard left from the parts, can I get an answer on which one from those 3? Also a statement on why x is more expensive than y would be very nice.
Once that is done I'd like your opinions on if I should stick with windows 7 or opt for windows 8 now that they are going to make or already did a user interface for computers not tablets.
I heard that it has higher performance.
Thanks
And R9 270X isn't that much more expensive (~30 euros) and is a considerable upgrade on the 750ti :
https://www.alternate.at/SAPPHIRE/Vapor-X-R9-270X-2GB-GDDR5-OC-with-Boost-Grafikkarte/html/product/1103147?
Addendum: Skipped through the thread, sorry if someone already suggested it.
Well the graphic card was talked a lot in those 3 pages so yea......
I changed my first post since every new person that posts keeps on talking about the gtx 750ti that I scrapped.
Sorry
just trying to help oh and if no one''s mentioned it yet: the lite retail version is a few euros cheaper if you already have compatible cables and whatnot (I am going for a scratch build on a student budget so imagine how happy I am 
)
You say you want to spent money on GPU depending on what is "left", that is imo wrong approach since GPU is your most important component.
Actually the CPU is because that dictates when the next upgrade will be while a GPU you can upgrade without having to change most things if you go for a true upgrade ( I think the next gen intel CPUs will be the first cpus from them that will be backwards compatible, I think, so haswell minimum for intel stuff which isn't as cheap as you'd want it).
Not really.
To upgrade my CPU I need a new motherboard that supports x sockets, to upgrade a GPU all I need is to buy one and fit it in.
I could simply stay with my current GPU while saving for one if the total cost is higher than expected. I am simply asking people on what I should get, the GPU is not the main point of this thread.
The 460 is pretty outdated and a mainstream gamer card at that, so I would update that but you could wait a month or 2 with that since your CPU really is ancient. Waiting a few months and getting a 770 or 780 is actually a lot better than getting a mid range graphics card right now.
The GPU is really indeed the most important part of gaming computer but however is your CPU so old by now that it will bottleneck you so I think you are starting in the right corner here.
Focus on a new motherboard and a new CPU right now, then make a GPU upgrade when you can afford it and you will have a really good PC.
I never had any actual problems with my current system until I bought arma 3 to play the battle royale mod.
I get frequent mini freezes making me unable to play it even with everything down. (Tough the engine has it's faults too)
I played final fantasy xiv on medium which is quite graphic intensive, play guild wars 2 and all modern mmorpgs fine. I'm not a person who requires the game to be on max on graphics to enjoy it but heh the time has come to upgrade it.
I certainly know the CPU is outdated by now that's why I keep on insisting that I'm not going to buy a cheaper CPU to get a good GPU.
What you "should get", is mostly a matter of GPU, but you seem to be missing the point...
False logic.
Your GPU will bottleneck your system so much easier, there is no point spending money on CPU over GPU...
Listen, no one is agreeing with you and I'm not going to get a GPU if the total cost of a new motherboard+cpu+ram exceeds my expectations. I'd rather upgrade 3 parts that will last and provide a boost in stability than upgrading the GPU only and still suffer sluttering in arma 3 just to make the game look "pretty".
So enough thread derailing, I still require some help on which motherboard to pick.
Not sure how much help this will be, but the MSI Z87-G45 socket 1155 mobo appears to be a discontinued line, so probably a good idea not to get it, assuming they still have some in stock. Overall, i'd say the Z87-G55 is probably the best mobo of those 3. Just looking at the spec's at least that would be the one i would choose for myself.
That G45 has a misspelling in the link, it's actually for socket 1150.
It doesn't need to be specifically between those 3 if you want to take a look at the motherboards and suggest one you personally think it's better in the 150 price range I'll look for it on amazon or something.
Thanks for the help
God forbid to say some sensible here...feel free to waste your money on components you do not need but do not ask for advice then...
You may think your post comes for the good but in reality the GPU is the easiest part to swap as it doesn't require me specific parts to work with unlike the CPU.
And if you saw my current specs you would see my other parts are old now too. So, no, it's not the GPU my only problem, the rest require a total change of other specific parts which in result makes them of higher importance to me.
So again, if the price calculated is higher than expected I can certainly wait an extra month and get the GPU separately. I'm not playing any mmorpg at the moment anyway so there's no real rush.
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Annnd back on topic.
I think ordering them by amazon instead of buying them from here might be a tad cheaper but need to see the difference.
A motherboard:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00K8MUTMO/ref=s9_simh_gw_p147_d3_i5?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=1T3449J7GWX0VEJYSVAC&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=455344027&pf_rd_i=468294
CPU:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Intel-Graphics-BX80646I74770-Generation-Technology/dp/B00CO8TBOW/ref=pd_bxgy_computers_img_y
And Ram:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9-Vengeance-Performance-Desktop/dp/B004CRSM4I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1401615967&sr=8-1&keywords=ddr3+8gb
Total cost around 380 GBP which quickly exchanged in euros is around 470 excluding shipping.
(Been looking and searching and some people prefer asus motherboards over msi and the pro/hero one has been mentioned a lot)
-facepalms- he has a CPU from when Bush Jr. was still a recent thing and you say an upgrade there won't be needed? To say nothing of the fact that that generation of CPUs had performance issues for me personally ( my laptop with a shitty i5-2410M and a 6650M held its own against a quad core 2 duo, best of its lot, with a 6950 in the GPU slot and that's a generation between them, if he upgrades to a i5 ivy bridge or waits for broadwell and gets a R9 270X later his gaming will be set for 4-5 years easy, not 1 maybe 2 at best with just mounting up a rocket booster on a donkey as you suggest).
The CPU is only marginally better than its ivybridge counterpart (in terms of performance, bout 5% maybe 10% at best) and with the upcoming broadwell you could either wait for that to either get a broadwell or see how the ivy bridge prices fluctuate if the performance gain is not worth the cash.
The easiest to replace is a mouse pad, I think that is what you should get, and get the most expensive one so it last you.
Where do I say that?
Ignore him I blocked him.
Every person knows I need a new GPU by now, keeping on insisting on changing only it over the rest is stupid sorry.
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And for the reference a mouse pad is not a computer part (Besides I have a razer mouse pad and mouse) but nice attempt on trying to insult me.
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Seems like I can ship the CPU and Ram just fine from amazon but not that specific motherboard I linked. (The asus Z97 Hero)
Anyone can suggest me which asus motherboard to pick? The Z97 Pro/Hero, Z87 Pro/Hero or something else? Since from google researching they seem to be the most popular. (The asus brand I mean)