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My rant on Wurm Online
wuhsin88
Member Posts: 70
I quit Wurm Online about a month or so ago, after being pretty inactive on there for some time. Why? The devs decided they'd make some changes to animal AI to make it harder on breeders and anyone who keeps animals in general. For a while they all stood completely still, wouldn't graze even on grass tiles, and just starved to death. Then they fixed it so they could move again, but they started trampling grass tiles into packed dirt like crazy, and staying huddled up in the same corner of the enclosure the rest of the time, making them prone to disease.
Before this Rolf had created a secret council of players to filter what suggestions make it to him, and of course these players had a vendetta against anyone who keeps animals because they believe it taxes the server, and reduces the number of wild mobs. This may be partly true, but here's the thing.. I chose to be a Fo priest, which basically restricts me to farming, digging, hunting, and taking care of animals. Because of the Priest restrictions that's all I could do, and breaking animals also messed up the farming part because I just farmed to keep them fed, but that became impossible with them packing every other tile they walk across.
As for the hunting, they introduced a predator/prey ai to screw that up too. They started having aggressive mobs attack things like horses, cows, bison, deer, and unicorns. The thing is though, bison and unicorns are two of the most common mobs in the game, so it didn't take long for aggressive mobs to become virtually extinct in Wurm Online. I'd ride for hours and only see bison, horses, and unicorns, whereas before I couldn't ride 10 paces without being jumped by a spider or hell hound. This made hunting, my favorite part of the game, painfully boring.
So I couldn't take it anymore, I quit paying premium, and started complaining on the forum. The majority of Wurm players were liking my posts, and agreeing with me in their own posts, a lot of them were unhappy too. Everything went crazy though soon as I started mentioning that I'd rather play Minecraft and why. Those guys are so insecure when it comes to Minecraft. The mods will let you mention or discuss any other game, they let people post glowing reviews of Elder Scrolls Online, Archeage, Life is Feudal, and more. I even posted a review of Wildstar on there and they enjoyed it for the most part.
However, you mention Minecraft on the Wurm forum, and you REALLY strike a nerve. Part of the reason for this is Minecraft was created by a former Wurm dev, known as Notch. Wurm faded into obscurity, they have less than a thousand players on at any given time, and almost every active player has at least one alt. I could go on for hours ranting about how the game punishes you for not premiuming multiple accounts, and how almost every toon is an alt with some ridiculous name like jfkdjfddd or Dopiesaur.
Anyway, back on topic. For mentioning Minecraft in a relevant on-topic way in a thread about decay, I was warned and my ability to post on the forum or create anything in-game was suspended for 30 days. That's fine by me, I wasn't playing Wurm anyway, and I personally was hoping to be permanently banned so I wouldn't be tempted to troll there again. It's so easy to troll there though, just mention Minecraft and everyone starts crying and acting butthurt. I've seen games censor any mention of another game on their forums before, Neverwinter Online did this. I find it hilarious though that they ignore pretty much any other game but Minecraft. They seem to know that no sane person would play Wurm after trying it.
My final thoughts on Wurm Online; Rolf caters to a specific group of players with an agenda to ruin the game for most other players. These players do not want Wurm Online to be a success, they want to keep it as a niche game that only they play. Wurm demands more grinding than any other game I've seen, and is much less rewarding than other games such as Minecraft. You can spend a year grinding your Masonry skill in Wurm, and maybe be able to make a small 2 or 3 story house. Your first day in Minecraft though you can create a castle twice as big as the biggest castle I've seen in Wurm, even on Survival mode. I did this myself, and thought, "WHY did I ever play this abomination of a game?!" Basically, Wurm is just not worth it, the players are mostly anti-social, the game is too grindy, and it is not rewarding enough for the amount of effort it takes to do anything.
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Hello, shill. How much does Rolf pay you to make these posts?
Also, how the ever-living fack is saying I'd rather play Minecraft than Wurm morally wrong? Explain that one too me. Sounds like something a shill would say.
in everyone's defense, Wurm is still the most amazing MMORPG out there and everyone should give it a try since it has an excellent monetary model as well
I've been making let's play videos slowly, showcasing the game and will probably be doing so for years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9QclT1iLS4&list=PL1dI-mYumSdY48ZmpgHkvT6oycVM3Kkv6&index=2
I review lots of indie games and MMORPGs
Lol. Well I don't know about all those conspiracy theory's you have about the Dev, and his secret society of people lol. I think that's a first for me, hearing about a secret society bent on ruining the game for you. As for mine craft and warm online, I don't know why you would compare them, I have played both, and they are completely different games. As for community wise, when I did play wire online the people there were helpful and talkative. I ran a mine craft server for about a day, and the only people that came in tried to destroy my bases, tell me that I shouldn't ban them, because there son locks him self in his room and this is the only time they get to talk to him.
I didn't find warm to bad, most of what you say is bad about wurm I like. It being hard to figure out, and not instant building. I hate the instant reward scheme of modern games, to much like t.v.. But i can't handle the graphics, on ethier of those games.
Let me know when they surpass cell phone graphics, and I will join you. They would prolly get more people playing, if they released it on android or I pad. I just can't justify using my 4.5 ghz i5 3570k 290x 1300 1800, to play a game, that my cell phone could play.
He didn't say you did anything morally wrong, lol I don't think online forums take morality into account. He said you violated some rule on the forums over there, got banned, and decided to run here and tell us all about it. In his eyes he finds that childish.
So you admitted you were trolling and hoping to get permanently banned rather than suspended so you wouldn't be tempted to troll there again, then you get mad at a person who points out that you sound like someone who just got his account banned. Right...
Anyway. I actually went to check out the game because of the ads on here, read about it, sounded like it was worth a shot. Saw that it's a java game, hopes slowly began to fade as lots of java games that try to be overly ambitious run like complete ass and feel quite clunky at times. Read into the game more (and the website is extremely lacking, it has almost no useful information about anything at all), saw that it's essentially an EXTREMELY limited trial. Skills can supposedly get trained up to 100 or 200 or something, but free to play players will only be able to raise them to a measly 20 which I'm assuming isn't enough to do anything fun.
Cancelled the download right after I saw the huge limitation on skills. Mortal Online looks far more promising and it isn't nearly as harsh on free to play players either. There is a limit on skills but it's way higher. It likely has infinitely more depth to its gameplay and crafting as well. The potential in general is far higher as well since it's not being developed in java and already has so much to it.
Well I can say this, the people playing wurm online are a whole different caliber than mortal online. Mortal online has great concepts, but years into it, it has more bugs than wurm by a lot. You will feel the pain, when numerous vets take advantage of these bugs and kill you, and take all your stuff. The people playing mortal are some of the most insane people I have ever met in my life. Even worse than the op here. Here is a example, just a tiny taste lol. I got kicked from my guild because I told them I don't sit in their team speak all day, while playing, because all they do is bitch about everything from the game, to other players, but mostly they were complaining about their personal lives. Lol I don't know about you, but I honestly don't want to hear about people's personal lives while I am gaming.
thats not even getting into the forums, and how the people there roll. If mortal online had a lot more people I would 100 percent be playing it though. All you find in there now are hard core fan boys, who don't do anything other then drama fill, the forums and game with their bull shit. I couldent find one group of decent people to hang out with. Every one was a hard core player, he'll bent on trying to convince me the game is the best, and trying to make me feel bad for losing a battle lol.
If you do go to mortal online, and find a sane group of gamers, that just relax and play, send me a message please. I had the most fun in that game, before I met all the bad people in the game.
I haven't played much of the game but everyone I've seen in the help chat seemed pretty nice and helpful. I was hoping Wurm might be a decent alternative to it since I'm not a HUGE fan of pvp (more specifically I don't find any pleasure in getting ganked by a group or someone I stand absolutely no chance against) but for free to play players, it just seems like it would be impossible to enjoy at all.
While death is harsh in Mortal Online at least it's not trivial like almost every other MMO. I think that's what made me hate pvp, it really was just an inconvenience and waste of time. In Mortal there are real consequences, harsh ones but at least they're there. I think that creates a lot of tension. Unfortunately most people tend to take killing people (mostly newbs) to extremes which I also don't particularly enjoy but there's not much you can do about it I think.
I'm sure once I get out into the world I'll run into these kinds of people and if it's bad enough to where I can't really do anything I'll simply stop playing. These types of games are best played in groups and I'm not a huge group person. I prefer to explore at my own pace and I can't do that in a group so I haven't found anything like Mortal Online that would be a good fit for me. Who knows, maybe I'll get into it. I played Tibia for a really long time and was the first graphical MMO I remember playing. It had the same type of death penalties and even WORSE, skill loss. Days of preparation with loot and training up skills could all be gone because of one mistake or gank. I did play that with friends a lot of the time though.
The community in Wurm isn't as great as that guy makes them out to be. They might answer a few questions you could easily answer yourself by going to the wiki, but far as actually helping you they will charge you, and charge you more than they would their buddies. You have to constantly pump money into this game just to maintain a decent set of gear.
I've played this game since around 2007 to 2008, can't remember exactly when I started to be honest. Have had at least one Premium character most of the times during those years and have owned several deeds over the years as well. So I speak from experience as a Player that still plays Wurm Online (I have never been Staff or part owner of Wurm, so I gain nothing from sharing my feelings here).
Some of what the OP complains of IS TRUE. Rolf and Devs have a bad habit of releasing new content that breaks the Code and then it can take literally months and even years for the new problems to be fixed. Rolf has always been this way. He still does it.
Yes in the last few months being a owner of horses, cattle, and especially buffalo has been irritating with the "stand in one spot" bug, then they moved but trampled everything, then the buffalo got warp drive. Gives me a headache just remembering it all. About as fun as when the wooden fences suddenly acted like they weren't there and horses got out all over the servers a year or two ago.
As for the committee thing.... Rolf DID handpick a "Player Committee" that he draws suggestions from, and the identities of the committee ARE SECRET, so as in any secret committee in human organizations it can not be truly trusted because it will never answer to the people it is supposed to represent. I myself consider the committee a fanboi club for I have no other way of knowing otherwise. I myself think this was stupid on Rolf's part, for it decreases our trust in him and in CodeClub as a MMO Provider. Other MMO Providers have done the same and I wasn't happy they did it either to be fair.
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Wurm has these kinds of problems all the time. Why do I continue to play this game? Why do do I continue to support it?
Not because I make money at it (as many do), but because there is only one MMO like Wurm, and I played many MMOs over the years, including Vanguard and Ishtaria (did not try Xsyon). There is no other MMO that allows Players to terraform, shape, and "frontier" a virtual world like Wurm.
Yes there are new MMOs on the way that will provide similar features. Try Wurm online for yourself and see what you think... and be warned that Wurm is not perfect, but even with the problems it's imo awesome and THAT is why I still play it.
I personally recommend you Try Wurm for yourselves.
I tried it a year or so ago. Really liked the concept, but it had a huge learning curve and seemed like a bunch of grinding. I only played for about 5 hours so I am by no means an expert.
With the Land Grab coming up tomorrow I thought about the game again. Is it still spending ten hours digging and filling to level up on Day 1 type stuff?
I won't lie to you. Yes it is a skill intensive, time intensive, "grindy" MMO. It always has been, probably always will be. The way Wurm is made, the way we can terraform the land, the way we have options on how to shape the land, almost necessitates it be this way...
...but they did add a new feature to digging that does help some... The "Level" command. It allows a character to stand on one tile, "Flatten" that tile, then without moving click on the adjacent tiles and "Level" then to the tile you are standing on. It makes the whole process of leveling an area so we can build a house or plant a farm area much easier and faster than what it was before.
The whole crafting system and most of what we do in Wurm is step by step, very specific, and it takes time. Wurm is the kind of MMO experience where you have to spend time to achieve things, but when you do finish a project your sense of achievement beats anything I feel in any other MMO. Because it took time and "effort".
You have to decide for yourself if this is the kind of MMO you might enjoy. I can only recommend People try it for themselves.
I was greatly surprised to see the big frame-add for Wurm on MMORPG.COM today !
Did Aeria Games forget to renew their "exclusive use" contract ?
I've never played Wurm, and most probably never will. The other small, struggling indie sandboxes that I have played in the past just demotivated me entirely. Wurm has one of the greatest handicaps that these games can have, in the fact that there is essentially ONE person that "owns the game" and has complete control over (and often a hand in) everything that gets done in development and design. That never goes well. They refuse to give up complete control, which means they don't delegate much and therefore bugfixing and development is glacially slow.
The only indie sandbox project I have any kind of faith in atm is The Repopulation, but seeing as it's not launched yet, there's no guarantee that it will deliver or even be sustainable.
Thank you for validating my biggest complaints about the game. Up until the fiasco with animal AI I was honestly loving Wurm Online, and didn't really have any problems with it aside from the amount of time and money you have to pump into it just to maintain what you've already earned/made/bought. It's sad that pointing out actual problems like this is deemed "trolling" and that I keep getting warnings and temp bans for simply trying to point out to my fellow MMO players that this game has a ton of issues and would most likely be a waste of time and money for them.
As for your last bit about there not being anything else like Wurm, Minecraft does everything Wurm does, but better. There are a near endless amount of servers in Minecraft, and you can play the game in Survival, Creative, or a bunch of other fun modes. So not only do you get to terraform and shape a virtual world, there are an infinite number more virtual worlds to shape and terraform than there are in Wurm. There are also a lot more players to interact with.
One thing another poster pointed out is that you have a skill cap unless you pay for premium. Not only do you have to pay for premium just to raise your skills over 20, if your premium expires, your skills are set back at 20 until you premium again. As for tools, enchantments, gear, you will need all of this, and you will need to buy it from other players who will usually charge an arm and a leg for something that takes them five minutes, just because they were the only one on the server that spent two years grinding that skill. With such low player retention, and so few weaponsmiths, armorsmiths, priests, etc. the cost of basic necessities is terribly inflated right now.
I was hesitant to even try Minecraft for a long time, especially since I was content at that time to spend $15-30 dollars on Wurm every week just to keep quality gear and tools. The main thing that made me apprehensive about Minecraft was the blocky graphics, this is the ONLY area Wurm beats Minecraft at, and it doesn't really even beat it at that by anything but a narrow margin because you can change textures in Minecraft to make the world look however you want. Just think how easy it would be for Notch to hire some good graphic designers, make a less blocky version of Minecraft, and trample this dying MMO into the ground. I'm surprised he hasn't done it yet, I figure he must feel sorry for Rolf after abandoning him and Wurm.
With Minecraft, you pay a one time fee of around $26, and you get all the content, forever. There are no skills to grind, no skill caps or pay-gates for existing in-game content like riding a horse. You just mine blocks and rearrange them to your liking. Want to make a giant effigy or Sonic the Hedgehog or Luigi? You can't do that in Wurm, you can in Minecraft. After playing Minecraft strictly on Survival mode for TWO DAYS I had a full set of enchanted diamond armor and tools. It would take two years to make that on your own in Wurm, and I'm not even exaggerating. After this, I just wondered why I had ever been stupid enough to give any money to Rolf.
In closing, I'd like to say something to whatever abusive mod keeps warning/temp banning me. MMORPG.com is a website where people go to read honest reviews and opinions about MMO's so they can decide which one to play. If you're not going to allow users to point out the flaws in a game, and also point out other games that would be more worthy of their time, then you are nothing but a shill site. I'm sorry that sounds harsh, it probably stings, but you're taking checks from these game companies to advertise them, and then censoring any negative commentary on them, which is the dictionary definition of shilling.
I think I get 120fps
2009 was 5 years ago, that is a lifetime in gaming tech
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
If you buy a large deed it costs you more to maintain it.
I had a medium sized deed with more than enough space for me, one spirt guard and my monthly cost was less than $20 a month.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
You were already annoying me with your shameless fanboying, but you've officially resorted to shill tactics by quoting me out of context in order to make it seem like I don't have legitimate issues with the game. You've failed to respond to my valid complaints about animal AI, Rolf's secret council, and also did not account for the fact you must purchase, tools, weapons, and armor, which take damage from use, and lose quality from repair, so they must be constantly improved. You're misguiding people into thinking that this game will be for them, when in truth there are better alternatives out there.
$20 a month could be used to buy a movie, or even a subscription to Netflix for less than half that. For just $26 you can buy Minecraft and never have to invest money in that game again. When I build something in Minecraft, I don't have to pay Notch $20 every month just so it doesn't rot. Look at how many games there are on Steam you could buy for that twenty bucks, instead of spending it just so the deed you built does not disband or decay. There is a very good reason Wurm Online has less than a thousand players online at a given time, with OVER HALF of those being alt accounts used to get around limitations Rolf put in place to make people sub with multiple accounts.
Wurm screams greedy cash grab, basically. Buy a sword? Alright, well you'll have to pay the blacksmith to imp it after you use it a while. Same with that armor. Or you can spend two years grinding for 0.0001 weaponsmithing a day and make your own weapons. Bought a deed? Make sure you keep two months upkeep on it or it will decay, oh, and some of your items are STILL going to decay, EVEN THE ITEMS IN YOUR BULK STORAGE BIN OCCASIONALLY ROT AND DISAPPEAR. Want to build a graveyard on your deed to decorate? Sorry, the gravestone from that Champion Spider you solo'd went from 30 to 100 damage overnight because the server lagged. Guess you can go kill another one.
What's that, you don't think the decorations on your deed should decay because you have six months upkeep paid? Too bad, Rolf does, and if you don't like what Rolf does, gtfo. That's literally what players like Sean here will tell you when you go to complain on the forum about the service you're paying for. That's what I was told, anyway. If anyone doesn't believe me, I'll go dig up some links. I doubt Sean can provide any solid evidence for his "HerpaDUR everything is awesome!" argument.
I think I can see your problem right there OP. You're not looking for a "virtual world", you're looking for a "game". No harm in that, play Minecraft and stop frustrating yourself by trying to change Wurm into something it has no intention of being.
If Wurm is a "virtual world" then Minecraft is a "virtual omniverse" full of virtual worlds. Like it or not, Wurm is a GAME, and I as a consumer have every right to compare and contrast it to other games. If you're honestly telling me that Wurm is not a game, that is an actual world, I think you need to step outside and get some fresh air.
I think you need to learn typical MMORPG gaming lingo...
Wurm (virtual world)
WOW (Game)
Hope that helps...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
There are more players role playing, crafting, and interacting socially on WORLD of Warcraft than there are on Wurm any day of the week. How is WORLD of Warcraft not a virtual world? I can call almost any RPG or MMO a virtual world, it does not change the mechanics of that game. Even if I sit here and call WOW a virtual world, that doesn't make it any less theme-parky. Just because you and your buddy claim Wurm is a virtual world, that does not make all the immersion breaking issues I pointed out non-existent. So what if Wurm is a virtual world? Minecraft is a virtual Omniverse full of virtual Universes that are full of many virtual Worlds. In one day on Minecraft I can make more friends and build more than I could in a month of Wurm. I'd even wager I could make more friends in one day on Minecraft than you could in a YEAR playing Wurm.
Indeed, it seems I was correct in my initial assessment.
I also see why you had so many problems in Wurm. Nobody likes "that guy" that's trying to force his way up the "Down" elevator whilst yelling loudly that everyone else should go the other way...