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Intel Core i7-2600K ; What fan/water cooling do I need to keep this thing cooled down?

andre369andre369 Member UncommonPosts: 970

I am having problems with my CPU overheating, I reapplied thermal paste and it did help quite a lot. But my PC still shuts down when playing heavy CPU depended games; Arch Age, GW2(if I run a few tabs and other things in background)

Currently I just have the stock fan that followed with the kit. Is there a program I can use that forces my CPU fan to max speed so I can test it out properly? 

It has overheated quite a lot, does this harm the CPU? I would imagine if its left overheated for quite a time it would die, but it still runs, so is there a chance it may be damaged? 

Yes I have cleaned it and it helps for a little while. Since I re applied the thermal paste it cools down way quicker than before. It seems to be a bad fan. I would love some recommendation of a good closed water cooling. I dont mind a bit high price as long as it will fix my problems. 

Here is my tower if there are space restrictions. 

Tower; 

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  • grndzrogrndzro Member UncommonPosts: 1,163

    Depends. How hot did it get? If you hit thermal shutdown you are lucky the chip still fires up.

    Just get a Hyper 212 or something similar. Lots of good inexpensive tower heatsinks out there. Run some benchmarks and stress tests.

    I would wait for your next major system upgrade to switch to water cooling. That way you can get everything with that in mind. Like get a big case, set up a secondary WC line for motherboard/chipset/ram/etc..

  • rutaqrutaq Member UncommonPosts: 428

    Corsair closed loops are good, I have used an old H70 for 3 years now to overclock my i72600k  4.5ghz and can keep things in the low 50c even with a crowded case.

     

    The H75 is a good unit unless you think your case runs too hot and then you can go with the bigger radiator and push/pull fans H80i.

  • jdnewelljdnewell Member UncommonPosts: 2,237

    Something like this would work very well.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181058

    Should be easy to install in the rear fan slot of the case.

    A good quality air cooler would do much the same tho.

    like

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103182  for a cheaper option

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608018    for a better more expensive option.

     

    Any of those will work a shit ton better than the old stock cpu cooler your using.  Unless you are doing or planning on a big overclock something like I listed above will do fine. Many other options to choose from. My advice is to go ahead an buy a decent cooler when you buy the CPU. You spent a nice sum on a great CPU and skimped the $30 to actually put a cooler on it worth a damn o.O

  • andre369andre369 Member UncommonPosts: 970
    Originally posted by grndzro

    Depends. How hot did it get?

    Just get a Hyper 212 or something similar. Lots of good inexpensive tower heatsinks out there.

    Def over 100 Celsius at some points(maybe even more not sure), idling at 40 right now. Was around 35-37 ish  right after I cleaned and reapplied the thermal paste. 

  • andre369andre369 Member UncommonPosts: 970
    Originally posted by jdnewell

    Something like this would work very well.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181058

    Should be easy to install in the rear fan slot of the case.

    A good quality air cooler would do much the same tho.

    like

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103182  for a cheaper option

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608018    for a better more expensive option.

     

    Any of those will work a shit ton better than the old stock cpu cooler your using.  Unless you are doing or planning on a big overclock something like I listed above will do fine. Many other options to choose from. My advice is to go ahead an buy a decent cooler when you buy the CPU. You spent a nice sum on a great CPU and skimped the $30 to actually put a cooler on it worth a damn o.O

    I bought a kit with motherboard, CPU and RAM. I thought a decent fan would follow.. 

    Thanks for the tips.

  • andre369andre369 Member UncommonPosts: 970
    Originally posted by DMKano

    The first question when it comes to cooling is always 

    What is your average ambient room temperature that your PC is in?

    This determines how much cooling you will need.

    The hotter the room the more cooling you will need.

    Well, I guess 18-25 would be the average. Heading into summer maybe a little higher at times.

  • grndzrogrndzro Member UncommonPosts: 1,163
    Originally posted by andre369
    Originally posted by grndzro

    Depends. How hot did it get?

    Just get a Hyper 212 or something similar. Lots of good inexpensive tower heatsinks out there.

    Def over 100 Celsius at some points(maybe even more not sure), idling at 40 right now. Was around 35-37 ish  right after I cleaned and reapplied the thermal paste. 

    You might have lucked out. I'd run some stress tests to make sure it's still firing on all cylinders. Be sure to grab a can of compressed air to spray it out occationally.

    DL Openhardwaremonitor to keep track of temps.

    That is not a very hot chip. My Phenom II X6 overclocked to 4ghz is twice as hot and my tower heatsink keeps it very cool.

    What chip is it? cause I have about the hottest chip in existence.

  • andre369andre369 Member UncommonPosts: 970
    Originally posted by grndzro
    Originally posted by andre369
    Originally posted by grndzro

    Depends. How hot did it get?

    Just get a Hyper 212 or something similar. Lots of good inexpensive tower heatsinks out there.

    Def over 100 Celsius at some points(maybe even more not sure), idling at 40 right now. Was around 35-37 ish  right after I cleaned and reapplied the thermal paste. 

    You might have lucked out. I'd run some stress tests to make sure it's still firing on all cylinders. Be sure to grab a can of compressed air to spray it out occationally.

    DL Openhardwaremonitor to keep track of temps.

    That is not a very hot chip. My Phenom II X6 overclocked to 4ghz is twice as hot and my tower heatsink keeps it very cool.

    What chip is it? cause I have about the hottest chip in existence.

    I did buy a can at some point, but I got scared off due to the chill it caused. Is this something that I have to worry about? It also seemed to cause some sort of condensation so I stopped right away: Maybe I just worry too much:P

    What program can I DL to check if it is still healthy?

    What chip it is? No idea what you mean:P 

    Edit; 

    3,4GHz Quad core, 8GB DDR3 1600MHz, ASUS Sabertooth, P67 chipset,

  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499

    The stock heatsink that Intel ships with their processors is terrible.  Pretty much anything with heatsinks will be vastly better.  This one is pretty popular and will allow a moderate overclock if you're looking to go that way:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099

    If you're content with stock speeds and really want to avoid spending money, you may want to see if the current heatsink is clogged with dust, and clean it out if so.

  • andre369andre369 Member UncommonPosts: 970
    Originally posted by Quizzical

    The stock heatsink that Intel ships with their processors is terrible.  Pretty much anything with heatsinks will be vastly better.  This one is pretty popular and will allow a moderate overclock if you're looking to go that way:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099

    If you're content with stock speeds and really want to avoid spending money, you may want to see if the current heatsink is clogged with dust, and clean it out if so.

    Im clearly not content with my stock:P 12 hours after I applied new thermal paste and cleaned it out I overheated while playing archage.. I dont mind spending double or triple the amount of that fan if it means I will not have these problems anymore.. 

  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    Originally posted by andre369
    Originally posted by Quizzical

    The stock heatsink that Intel ships with their processors is terrible.  Pretty much anything with heatsinks will be vastly better.  This one is pretty popular and will allow a moderate overclock if you're looking to go that way:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099

    If you're content with stock speeds and really want to avoid spending money, you may want to see if the current heatsink is clogged with dust, and clean it out if so.

    Im clearly not content with my stock:P 12 hours after I applied new thermal paste and cleaned it out I overheated while playing archage.. I dont mind spending double or triple the amount of that fan if it means I will not have these problems anymore.. 

    Do you mean that you're not happy with the "stock" fan or "stock" clock speeds?  If you're going to leave the CPU at stock speeds or give it a fairly modest overclock like 4.2 GHz, and really just want to be rid of the overheating problems, what I linked for you will be plenty good enough.  If you want to push 5 GHz and figure that you'll fry it eventually (and yes, you can fry a CPU at room temperature if the voltage and clock speed are high enough), then you'll want something much more potent, like this:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608018

    Whether the improved cooling performance of a big air cooler (as opposed to a smaller one like what I linked before) matters depends on how you want to clock the CPU.  Don't buy an $80 cooler and then leave the CPU at stock speeds, as that's a waste of money.

  • grndzrogrndzro Member UncommonPosts: 1,163
    Originally posted by andre369
    Originally posted by grndzro
    Originally posted by andre369
    Originally posted by grndzro

    Depends. How hot did it get?

    Just get a Hyper 212 or something similar. Lots of good inexpensive tower heatsinks out there.

    Def over 100 Celsius at some points(maybe even more not sure), idling at 40 right now. Was around 35-37 ish  right after I cleaned and reapplied the thermal paste. 

    You might have lucked out. I'd run some stress tests to make sure it's still firing on all cylinders. Be sure to grab a can of compressed air to spray it out occationally.

    DL Openhardwaremonitor to keep track of temps.

    That is not a very hot chip. My Phenom II X6 overclocked to 4ghz is twice as hot and my tower heatsink keeps it very cool.

    What chip is it? cause I have about the hottest chip in existence.

    I did buy a can at some point, but I got scared off due to the chill it caused. Is this something that I have to worry about? It also seemed to cause some sort of condensation so I stopped right away: Maybe I just worry too much:P

    What program can I DL to check if it is still healthy?

    What chip it is? No idea what you mean:P 

    Edit; 

    3,4GHz Quad core, 8GB DDR3 1600MHz, ASUS Sabertooth, P67 chipset,

    C2Q. not a very hot chip. Shouldn't need to upgrade for a while either.

    Get http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103064

    It's possible to use 2 97mm fans with this by only using 2 clips per fan. Increases cooling by quite a bit for the cost of only 1 fan.

    Or a 120mm http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233029 with a 2nd fan. I have it's predecessor the Gaia with 2 fans and I can barely crack 50C running prime.

  • Geebus80Geebus80 Member Posts: 92

    Well if you know your build is solid and wont need tinkering then I suggest an immersion system, like mineral oil. Just get an aquarium, mount all your stuff, fill it up with the oil and walk away.

     

    No air corrosion issues or seizing problems, and beast heat dispersion. Though it is super messy to interchange parts and trouble shoot hardware issues.

  • andre369andre369 Member UncommonPosts: 970
    Originally posted by Quizzical
    Originally posted by andre369
    Originally posted by Quizzical

    The stock heatsink that Intel ships with their processors is terrible.  Pretty much anything with heatsinks will be vastly better.  This one is pretty popular and will allow a moderate overclock if you're looking to go that way:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099

    If you're content with stock speeds and really want to avoid spending money, you may want to see if the current heatsink is clogged with dust, and clean it out if so.

    Im clearly not content with my stock:P 12 hours after I applied new thermal paste and cleaned it out I overheated while playing archage.. I dont mind spending double or triple the amount of that fan if it means I will not have these problems anymore.. 

    Do you mean that you're not happy with the "stock" fan or "stock" clock speeds?  If you're going to leave the CPU at stock speeds or give it a fairly modest overclock like 4.2 GHz, and really just want to be rid of the overheating problems, what I linked for you will be plenty good enough.  If you want to push 5 GHz and figure that you'll fry it eventually (and yes, you can fry a CPU at room temperature if the voltage and clock speed are high enough), then you'll want something much more potent, like this:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608018

    Whether the improved cooling performance of a big air cooler (as opposed to a smaller one like what I linked before) matters depends on how you want to clock the CPU.  Don't buy an $80 cooler and then leave the CPU at stock speeds, as that's a waste of money.

    Im not happy with my fan. And if I can overclock it with a better fan and dont run into issues, I would want to do that.

    Whats the difference between the price of a single game if I keep having issues anyway:P Rather be safe than sorry.

  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    Originally posted by Geebus80

    Well if you know your build is solid and wont need tinkering then I suggest an immersion system, like mineral oil. Just get an aquarium, mount all your stuff, fill it up with the oil and walk away.

     

    No air corrosion issues or seizing problems, and beast heat dispersion. Though it is super messy to interchange parts and trouble shoot hardware issues.

    Doing that for fun with a low power system (e.g., Kabini) is reasonable enough if you don't mind voiding the warranty on everything and keep everything with moving parts out of the oil, but I wouldn't recommend it for a high-powered gaming rig.  That disperses the heat through the system quite a bit--which makes everything hot, not just the CPU and GPU--but is rather less effective at removing it from the system entirely.

  • andre369andre369 Member UncommonPosts: 970
    Would a bigger fan need more power? This is my power supply; Corsair Powersupply 750W Black, ATX Bulk
    140mm Fan, 8xSATA, SLI
  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499

    Fans only use a few watts, if that, and generally amount to a rounding error in desktop system power consumption unless you're doing really outlandish.

    The big difference is that using aluminum or copper to conduct heat away from the CPU isn't nearly as effective as heatpipes.  Heatpipes are hollow inside with water at a low pressure so that it can readily boil.  The idea is that heat from the CPU boils the water, which floats up the heatpipe a ways, then condenses onto the pipe half an inch away from the base or whatever, deposits a bunch of heat, and then gets wicked back to the bottom to repeat the cycle.  That can transfer a lot of heat a considerable distance much faster than simple conduction.

    The difference of one thermal paste versus another or reapplying thermal paste basically amounts to a rounding error.  Thermal paste doesn't actually conduct heat very well (worse than aluminum or copper by about a factor of 100), so you want as thin of a layer of it as is practical.  But it's vastly better than air (also by about a factor of 100); the idea is to use enough thermal paste to fill what would otherwise have been microscopic pockets of air between the CPU package and the heatsink, but no more than this.

  • andre369andre369 Member UncommonPosts: 970
    Originally posted by Quizzical

    Fans only use a few watts, if that, and generally amount to a rounding error in desktop system power consumption unless you're doing really outlandish.

    The big difference is that using aluminum or copper to conduct heat away from the CPU isn't nearly as effective as heatpipes.  Heatpipes are hollow inside with water at a low pressure so that it can readily boil.  The idea is that heat from the CPU boils the water, which floats up the heatpipe a ways, then condenses onto the pipe half an inch away from the base or whatever, deposits a bunch of heat, and then gets wicked back to the bottom to repeat the cycle.  That can transfer a lot of heat a considerable distance much faster than simple conduction.

    The difference of one thermal paste versus another or reapplying thermal paste basically amounts to a rounding error.  Thermal paste doesn't actually conduct heat very well (worse than aluminum or copper by about a factor of 100), so you want as thin of a layer of it as is practical.  But it's vastly better than air (also by about a factor of 100); the idea is to use enough thermal paste to fill what would otherwise have been microscopic pockets of air between the CPU package and the heatsink, but no more than this.

    I learned something today;) Anyway, I decided to order the fan you linked. I might try overclocking after I see how effective it is. I have pretty good space around my CPU so it should fit. Someone said to check if my overheated CPU has not been damaged, how do I do so? 

  • skeith138skeith138 Member Posts: 176

    i'm currently still using this CPU cooler though its one of the best ones out there:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181032&cm_re=h100-_-35-181-032-_-Product

    with CPU :

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103808

    though it does cool it down about 20-30%

     

     

  • andre369andre369 Member UncommonPosts: 970

    A another amateur problem I have is that I have not plugged all my cabinet(tower) cables in the right place. So for example my DVD drive is not working:P I would love to get all this sorted out as well.. The motherboard is: ASUS Sabertooth P67, Socket-1155 ATX, P67, DDR3, 2xPCI e(2.0)x16, CFX& SLI, SATA 6Gb/s, USB 3.0, FW, BT, EFI

    Is there any pictures out there that I might could use for some help? 

  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    The DVD needs both a SATA data cable that connects to the motherboard and a SATA power cable that connects to the power supply.  Both connectors have unique shapes (basically an L-shape with opposite orientations), so any cable that fits nicely is the "right" one.
  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,383

    I didn't get through all the posts, but first and foremost:

    Are you still Overclocking it?

    At stock speeds, it doesn't take much to keep it cool. But as you ramp up the overclock, the cooling needs go up dramatically. If you can't keep it cool at stock speeds with a basic stock cooler, something somewhere is broken.

    That, and overclocks aren't a static thing. You chip will actually degrade over it's life, and while at stock it may last 10-20-30 years with no issues even with some degradation, overclocking puts it closer to thermal limits, and accelerates the degradation.

    Just because it worked fine overclocked at X.XXXGHz the day you bought it doesn't mean it will be able to maintain that for years, or even months.

  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,383


    Originally posted by andre369
    I did buy a can (of compressed air) at some point, but I got scared off due to the chill it caused. Is this something that I have to worry about? It also seemed to cause some sort of condensation so I stopped right away: Maybe I just worry too much:P

    Yes, that's normal. The cans often freeze up. Don't hold them upside down, you don't want to be spraying liquid out (although i've not seen it hurt anything so long as your not spraying on a system that's turned on and running). When they get too cold to hold just let them sit and come back up to room temp (don't try heating them up), and they are ok.

  • sumdumguy1sumdumguy1 Member RarePosts: 1,373
    I just want to say I wish more people, ( I know people in here get this), understood the value of a question like this.  I can't tell you how many friends have learned a painful lesson about the importance of cooling fans.
  • andre369andre369 Member UncommonPosts: 970
    Originally posted by Quizzical
    The DVD needs both a SATA data cable that connects to the motherboard and a SATA power cable that connects to the power supply.  Both connectors have unique shapes (basically an L-shape with opposite orientations), so any cable that fits nicely is the "right" one.

    Do you know about any site with pictures? I guess I could supply them myself. Its not only the DVD drive that is plugged in wrong.. :P 

     

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