Heaven help us if we let people decide on their own whether the game is fair or unfair... free or not free...
The game is going to be released soon... let everyone see for themselves. You've already decided... move on already. I'm not making a decision based on what's said in the forums here. Honestly, the game is free to download and free to play... if they ask for money, well, I can choose to pay something or I can choose to not pay something... of my own free will.
So what if I am slowed down to a snails pace... moving backwards even... how in the hell does that involve YOU? You have the ability to not play the game. You have the ability to find another game. How is sitting in these forums complaining about a game, you clearly do not care to play, going to get you another game to play? It's not. So you're not looking for another game either. You'r just looking for an argument. Plain and simple. Nothing more.
Move along folks... this thread will get you nowhere.
Oh but people are seeing for themself and they think exactly the same judging by their early reaction of the game on AA official forum. That is early game, imagine once they reach endgame and realize they can no longer craft a few gear worth of 125 lp each but now it is more like 500lp each. We see where that goes.
Heaven help us if we let people decide on their own whether the game is fair or unfair... free or not free...
The game is going to be released soon... let everyone see for themselves. You've already decided... move on already. I'm not making a decision based on what's said in the forums here. Honestly, the game is free to download and free to play... if they ask for money, well, I can choose to pay something or I can choose to not pay something... of my own free will.
So what if I am slowed down to a snails pace... moving backwards even... how in the hell does that involve YOU? You have the ability to not play the game. You have the ability to find another game. How is sitting in these forums complaining about a game, you clearly do not care to play, going to get you another game to play? It's not. So you're not looking for another game either. You'r just looking for an argument. Plain and simple. Nothing more.
Move along folks... this thread will get you nowhere.
Oh but people are seeing for themself and they think exactly the same judging by their early reaction of the game on AA official forum. That is early game, imagine once they reach endgame and realize they can no longer craft a few gear worth of 125 lp each but now it is more like 500lp each. We see where that goes.
The majority playing are enjoying the game it seems...Seems like most people who havent played it are calling it P2W. They were calling it P2W before the shop came out a few days ago...
Heaven help us if we let people decide on their own whether the game is fair or unfair... free or not free...
The game is going to be released soon... let everyone see for themselves. You've already decided... move on already. I'm not making a decision based on what's said in the forums here. Honestly, the game is free to download and free to play... if they ask for money, well, I can choose to pay something or I can choose to not pay something... of my own free will.
So what if I am slowed down to a snails pace... moving backwards even... how in the hell does that involve YOU? You have the ability to not play the game. You have the ability to find another game. How is sitting in these forums complaining about a game, you clearly do not care to play, going to get you another game to play? It's not. So you're not looking for another game either. You'r just looking for an argument. Plain and simple. Nothing more.
Move along folks... this thread will get you nowhere.
Oh but people are seeing for themself and they think exactly the same judging by their early reaction of the game on AA official forum. That is early game, imagine once they reach endgame and realize they can no longer craft a few gear worth of 125 lp each but now it is more like 500lp each. We see where that goes.
The majority playing are enjoying the game it seems...Seems like most people who havent played it are calling it P2W. They were calling it P2W before the shop came out a few days ago...
A few days ago? We already knew what would be in the cash shop a month ago dude, we didnt needed to see it in game, they announced in their previous livestream, that is when they announced that they will sell gear as well, no op gear but still will sell gear in this half sandbox that is AA. You just proved your ignorance for me, also you clearly havent look at all the p2w labor threads going on AA forum. People didnt react much in alpha because some still enjoyed the game while a lot of people were so disapointed to wasted 150$ that they didnt want to bother themself or even think about this game.
Besides, the only reason why this game got that many people in with such a pricey alpha is because of all the streamers hype. Some steamers even got over 1000 guild members. So as some of these streamers left, scared of "burning themself" in alpha, most of their guild members moved on as well.
Results? I went back to the game a month and a half after alpha release and most pvp zone were dead, like extremely dead, outside of the war that last only an hour once in a blue moon. With no incentive to the northern pvp region, no real castle siege battle going there, zzz.
Heaven help us if we let people decide on their own whether the game is fair or unfair... free or not free...
The game is going to be released soon... let everyone see for themselves. You've already decided... move on already. I'm not making a decision based on what's said in the forums here. Honestly, the game is free to download and free to play... if they ask for money, well, I can choose to pay something or I can choose to not pay something... of my own free will.
So what if I am slowed down to a snails pace... moving backwards even... how in the hell does that involve YOU? You have the ability to not play the game. You have the ability to find another game. How is sitting in these forums complaining about a game, you clearly do not care to play, going to get you another game to play? It's not. So you're not looking for another game either. You'r just looking for an argument. Plain and simple. Nothing more.
Move along folks... this thread will get you nowhere.
Oh but people are seeing for themself and they think exactly the same judging by their early reaction of the game on AA official forum. That is early game, imagine once they reach endgame and realize they can no longer craft a few gear worth of 125 lp each but now it is more like 500lp each. We see where that goes.
The majority playing are enjoying the game it seems...Seems like most people who havent played it are calling it P2W. They were calling it P2W before the shop came out a few days ago...
A few days ago? We already knew what would be in the cash shop a month ago dude, we didnt needed to see it in game, they announced in their previous livestream, that is when they announced that they will sell gear as well, no op gear but still will sell gear in this half sandbox that is AA. You just proved your ignorance for me, also you clearly havent look at all the p2w labor threads going on AA forum. People didnt react much in alpha because some still enjoyed the game while a lot of people were so disapointed to wasted 150$ that they didnt want to bother themself or even think about this game.
Besides, the only reason why this game got that many people in with such a pricey alpha is because of all the streamers hype. Some steamers even got over 1000 guild members. So as some of these streamers left, scared of "burning themself" in alpha, most of their guild members moved on as well.
Results? I went back to the game a month and a half after alpha release and most pvp zone were dead, like extremely dead, outside of the war that last only an hour once in a blue moon. With no incentive to the northern pvp region, no real castle siege battle going there, zzz.
Its fine if you havent played it yet. But for the people who have they are happy.
Again here is seems people fail to grasp a big point!!!
Labor points are designed to keep gold farmers under control.
Nobody wants gold farmers in the game, and free to play gives them easy access to make new accounts every few minutes...but what they can do with those accounts is what gets effected by the labor points.
Basically the labor point limits for free players means that it will complicate things quite alot for the gold farming websites.
Also it allows players to try out aspects of the game for free and gives them an opportunity to switch to pay per month when ready.
It's basically like an extended free trial with obvious limitations just like any other free to play system. No clue what people's real problem is with this. As mentioned before, no AAA game is free to buy and free to play with zero limitations.
Again here is seems people fail to grasp a big point!!!
Labor points are designed to keep gold farmers under control.
Nobody wants gold farmers in the game, and free to play gives them easy access to make new accounts every few minutes...but what they can do with those accounts is what gets effected by the labor points.
Basically the labor point limits for free players means that it will complicate things quite alot for the gold farming websites.
Also it allows players to try out aspects of the game for free and gives them an opportunity to switch to pay per month when ready.
It's basically like an extended free trial with obvious limitations just like any other free to play system. No clue what people's real problem is with this. As mentioned before, no AAA game is free to buy and free to play with zero limitations.
You have an awsome logic sir, now not only we are annoyed by the gold farmers but now we are restricted in what we can do because of them? Errrr, i am speechless.
The truth is, who do you think this system hurt the most? Patrons with one account limited to 2160lp per day or say a compagny with 50 accounts? Because you really think paying monthly will stop them? It doesnt in any p2p game. What it does is that since it cost them more money to operate, monthly fees, they need to sell their gold higher, driving the value of Trion cash shop item up since you can buy them for real money and sell it in game, trion is compete against gold farmers but to what cost? Our in game liberty and freedom being burden by this mechanic.
They already had ways to stop gold farmers, inventory expendable via cash shop, broker access, farm and housing access. Labor points is the most terrible way to deal with gold farmers and economy control that i have ever saw, the clear winner is trion and its cash shop.
Originally posted by Ezze902 I am looking forward to buying all my labour points, every 12 hours... just to help with my patron
By buying it every 12 hours, you will end up with twice the amount of daily lp any patron will have and maybe 3 time more than free to play players. Multiply this by the number of days that you will be doing that, you might have an insane gear advantage on nearly everyone who is playing the game legitely. Lets say that for the first few months, you will be like any other hacker out there, gaining clear advantage where normal Patron wont have.
Hey if you like to play the easy way, go for it. Each their own. Guess thats why some people, few, likes pay to win games.
Originally posted by Ezze902 I am looking forward to buying all my labour points, every 12 hours... just to help with my patron
By buying it every 12 hours, you will end up with twice the amount of daily lp any patron will have and maybe 3 time more than free to play players. Multiply this by the number of days that you will be doing that, you might have an insane gear advantage on nearly everyone who is playing the game legitely. Lets say that for the first few months, you will be like any other hacker out there, gaining clear advantage where normal Patron wont have.
Hey if you like to play the easy way, go for it. Each their own. Guess thats why some people, few, likes pay to win games.
Or you could be a free player and buy with in game gold Labor points...Meaning all the money he spent means nothing to the free player who out gears him by being smart.
Originally posted by Ezze902 I am looking forward to buying all my labour points, every 12 hours... just to help with my patron
By buying it every 12 hours, you will end up with twice the amount of daily lp any patron will have and maybe 3 time more than free to play players. Multiply this by the number of days that you will be doing that, you might have an insane gear advantage on nearly everyone who is playing the game legitely. Lets say that for the first few months, you will be like any other hacker out there, gaining clear advantage where normal Patron wont have.
Hey if you like to play the easy way, go for it. Each their own. Guess thats why some people, few, likes pay to win games.
Or you could be a free player and buy with in game gold Labor points...Meaning all the money he spent means nothing to the free player who out gears him by being smart.
Or
Not, since you first need LP in order to make money, there is nothing you can do in this game to earn money without spending LP, even killing/looting mobs requires LP. There is a direct relation between how rich you are and how much LP spend. Of course you can learn to spend your LP much better than some people but at the end of the day, the one who invest the most of money in the game, wins. You will always have the short end of the stick and depend on the p2w players.
Originally posted by Ezze902 I am looking forward to buying all my labour points, every 12 hours... just to help with my patron
By buying it every 12 hours, you will end up with twice the amount of daily lp any patron will have and maybe 3 time more than free to play players. Multiply this by the number of days that you will be doing that, you might have an insane gear advantage on nearly everyone who is playing the game legitely. Lets say that for the first few months, you will be like any other hacker out there, gaining clear advantage where normal Patron wont have.
Hey if you like to play the easy way, go for it. Each their own. Guess thats why some people, few, likes pay to win games.
Or you could be a free player and buy with in game gold Labor points...Meaning all the money he spent means nothing to the free player who out gears him by being smart.
Or
Not, since you first need LP in order to make money, there is nothing you can do in this game to earn money without spending LP, even killing/looting mobs requires LP. There is a direct relation between how rich you are and how much LP spend. Of course you can learn to spend your LP much better than some people but at the end of the day, the one who invest the most of money in the game, wins. You will always have the short end of the stick and depend on the p2w players.
There arent any p2w players so we are good. Thanks though.
This man has a reputation that is as clean as a 18 year old virgin.
He is the richest Eve player by trillions.
You can trade supers and titan ships to this man and he will make sure you get your money for a modest cut of the selling price.
There wont be a person ever who catch up with him as he is the undisputed king of high end trades and everyone trades via this man.
What does this have to do with Archeage ?
Money......gold / isk - it doesnt matter how much you have there will always be a person that has more gold more gear more mats more tradepacks.
In a sandpark / sandbox this doesnt matter nearly as much as you are not playing this mmo on your own, and if you do.......you will get killed , dock camped before you turn in your precious tradepack.
Your ship will be pulled away for 5 minutes or an hour to make you feel miserable for as long as they want.
Archeage focus lies not on you, but on your guild and how you operate.
Eve and Archeage while diffrent also share some similarities and that is the world out there is a dog eat dog world.
While you have nullsec you have warzones / no security zones where there is no law and everyone can attack everyone.
Faction on faction guild on guild player on player yes even you own faction can gank your ass.
I see tons of people saying Labor points regen is unfair / skillpoints from long playing Eve online players are also unfair.
Deal with it. sandparks / sandbox aint never fair, go play something else then Archeage or be innovative and work as a team of players or with your guild / alliance.
Dont play Archage as a themepark but as a sandbox and think outside of the box where other fail to cope with clever use of mechanics.
Anything to give you an advantage.
Create a mercenary guild and be hired to defend trade runners for a fee
Work with your guild to overcome you lack of labor points or safe them up and sell them to a person who offers to pay you for your labor points.
Steal tradepacks so you get tons of mats and break it down to commen mats or turn it in for gilda stars / gold.
There are tons of options available to you, but its not getting handed to you, work for it.
In the end it only takes time for a freeloader to have what they want, the only thing you cant have is a plot of your own.
But you can join a family and have acces to land and grow crops.
Point is - dont play alone as this game is not that kind of game.
Archeage is going for the long run and the more mature a server becomes the more competitive it will be.
This man has a reputation that is as clean as a 18 year old virgin.
He is the richest Eve player by trillions.
You can trade supers and titan ships to this man and he will make sure you get your money for a modest cut of the selling price.
There wont be a person ever who catch up with him as he is the undisputed king of high end trades and everyone trades via this man.
What does this have to do with Archeage ?
Money......gold / isk - it doesnt matter how much you have there will always be a person that has more gold more gear more mats more tradepacks.
In a sandpark / sandbox this doesnt matter nearly as much as you are not playing this mmo on your own, and if you do.......you will get killed , dock camped before you turn in your precious tradepack.
Your ship will be pulled away for 5 minutes or an hour to make you feel miserable for as long as they want.
Archeage focus lies not on you, but on your guild and how you operate.
Eve and Archeage while diffrent also share some similarities and that is the world out there is a dog eat dog world.
While you have nullsec you have warzones / no security zones where there is no law and everyone can attack everyone.
Faction on faction guild on guild player on player yes even you own faction can gank your ass.
I see tons of people saying Labor points regen is unfair / skillpoints from long playing Eve online players are also unfair.
Deal with it. sandparks / sandbox aint never fair, go play something else then Archeage or be innovative and work as a team of players or with your guild / alliance.
Dont play Archage as a themepark but as a sandbox and think outside of the box where other fail to cope with clever use of mechanics.
Anything to give you an advantage.
Create a mercenary guild and be hired to defend trade runners for a fee
Work with your guild to overcome you lack of labor points or safe them up and sell them to a person who offers to pay you for your labor points.
Steal tradepacks so you get tons of mats and break it down to commen mats or turn it in for gilda stars / gold.
There are tons of options available to you, but its not getting handed to you, work for it.
In the end it only takes time for a freeloader to have what they want, the only thing you cant have is a plot of your own.
But you can join a family and have acces to land and grow crops.
Point is - dont play alone as this game is not that kind of game.
Archeage is going for the long run and the more mature a server becomes the more competitive it will be.
You have to work to be good at a game? You are not given everything? Sounds like I should just blame the game on being P2W instead of spending time in the game to get better, being lazy and not joining up and learning how to play the game. Thats just blasphemy. /sarcasm
Great post though. I think most people are just lazy and want everything handed to them and dont want to put any effort games anymore so they blame the games on being hard and catered to people with money instead of getting better.
This man has a reputation that is as clean as a 18 year old virgin.
He is the richest Eve player by trillions.
You can trade supers and titan ships to this man and he will make sure you get your money for a modest cut of the selling price.
There wont be a person ever who catch up with him as he is the undisputed king of high end trades and everyone trades via this man.
What does this have to do with Archeage ?
Money......gold / isk - it doesnt matter how much you have there will always be a person that has more gold more gear more mats more tradepacks.
In a sandpark / sandbox this doesnt matter nearly as much as you are not playing this mmo on your own, and if you do.......you will get killed , dock camped before you turn in your precious tradepack.
Your ship will be pulled away for 5 minutes or an hour to make you feel miserable for as long as they want.
Archeage focus lies not on you, but on your guild and how you operate.
Eve and Archeage while diffrent also share some similarities and that is the world out there is a dog eat dog world.
While you have nullsec you have warzones / no security zones where there is no law and everyone can attack everyone.
Faction on faction guild on guild player on player yes even you own faction can gank your ass.
I see tons of people saying Labor points regen is unfair / skillpoints from long playing Eve online players are also unfair.
Deal with it. sandparks / sandbox aint never fair, go play something else then Archeage or be innovative and work as a team of players or with your guild / alliance.
Dont play Archage as a themepark but as a sandbox and think outside of the box where other fail to cope with clever use of mechanics.
Anything to give you an advantage.
Create a mercenary guild and be hired to defend trade runners for a fee
Work with your guild to overcome you lack of labor points or safe them up and sell them to a person who offers to pay you for your labor points.
Steal tradepacks so you get tons of mats and break it down to commen mats or turn it in for gilda stars / gold.
There are tons of options available to you, but its not getting handed to you, work for it.
In the end it only takes time for a freeloader to have what they want, the only thing you cant have is a plot of your own.
But you can join a family and have acces to land and grow crops.
Point is - dont play alone as this game is not that kind of game.
Archeage is going for the long run and the more mature a server becomes the more competitive it will be.
I dont mean to insult you but that was boring and the worst example i could think of. You can try to use all the clever ways to excuse The labor point system but there is none valid. Yes this is a sandbox and you should join others and blah blah blah.
thing is, if legit players can join each others against p2w players, do you think p2w players cant do the same? And now my friend, uve got an even bigger problem under your hand, an elite society(guild). When you gather a lot of people who individualy already have a huge advantage, all combined will be ridiculous. Its not because someone is poor in game that he can magically come up with clever ways to win under such disadvantage... Sigh. The point is here is not even about having a chance to be the richest mofo in game, its for it to be playable and with the lp system, its just not. That simple.
This man has a reputation that is as clean as a 18 year old virgin.
He is the richest Eve player by trillions.
You can trade supers and titan ships to this man and he will make sure you get your money for a modest cut of the selling price.
There wont be a person ever who catch up with him as he is the undisputed king of high end trades and everyone trades via this man.
What does this have to do with Archeage ?
Money......gold / isk - it doesnt matter how much you have there will always be a person that has more gold more gear more mats more tradepacks.
In a sandpark / sandbox this doesnt matter nearly as much as you are not playing this mmo on your own, and if you do.......you will get killed , dock camped before you turn in your precious tradepack.
Your ship will be pulled away for 5 minutes or an hour to make you feel miserable for as long as they want.
Archeage focus lies not on you, but on your guild and how you operate.
Eve and Archeage while diffrent also share some similarities and that is the world out there is a dog eat dog world.
While you have nullsec you have warzones / no security zones where there is no law and everyone can attack everyone.
Faction on faction guild on guild player on player yes even you own faction can gank your ass.
I see tons of people saying Labor points regen is unfair / skillpoints from long playing Eve online players are also unfair.
Deal with it. sandparks / sandbox aint never fair, go play something else then Archeage or be innovative and work as a team of players or with your guild / alliance.
Dont play Archage as a themepark but as a sandbox and think outside of the box where other fail to cope with clever use of mechanics.
Anything to give you an advantage.
Create a mercenary guild and be hired to defend trade runners for a fee
Work with your guild to overcome you lack of labor points or safe them up and sell them to a person who offers to pay you for your labor points.
Steal tradepacks so you get tons of mats and break it down to commen mats or turn it in for gilda stars / gold.
There are tons of options available to you, but its not getting handed to you, work for it.
In the end it only takes time for a freeloader to have what they want, the only thing you cant have is a plot of your own.
But you can join a family and have acces to land and grow crops.
Point is - dont play alone as this game is not that kind of game.
Archeage is going for the long run and the more mature a server becomes the more competitive it will be.
Your post is interesting but not the game I played. The reason is I didn't make it past level 20 for I got bored being lead by the nose from quest hub to quest hub. I did try to craft / farm but with the labor point restrictions I soon got frustrated and gave up on it.
I feel many will quit like I did before they reach the point where the game you describe kicks in and that is to bad for the game that you describe seems worthy.
Archeage focus lies not on you, but on your guild and how you operate.
.....
Dont play Archage as a themepark but as a sandbox and think outside of the box where other fail to cope with clever use of mechanics.
There are tons of options available to you, but its not getting handed to you, work for it.
In the end it only takes time for a freeloader to have what they want, the only thing you cant have is a plot of your own.
But you can join a family and have acces to land and grow crops.
......
Your post is interesting but not the game I played. The reason is I didn't make it past level 20 for I got bored being lead by the nose from quest hub to quest hub. I did try to craft / farm but with the labor point restrictions I soon got frustrated and gave up on it.
I feel many will quit like I did before they reach the point where the game you describe kicks in and that is to bad for the game that you describe seems worthy.
You were led, but you didn't have to follow, did you? That's on you.
Quest chains are an added feature on top of the sandbox, it's remarkable how upset people get that the game comes with a tutorial.
Originally posted by Ezze902 I am looking forward to buying all my labour points, every 12 hours... just to help with my patron
$20 dollars will buy you 2500 credits or 125 credits per dollar. A labor pot costs 375 credits or 3 dollars. You can do 12 per day per account for $36.00. I can burn up 1500 labor points in a hour just mining and refining ore. I could easily go through 5000 or more in a 4 hour period
Gold sellers are going to love this system since there is no way the average gamer can ever compete with them due to the screwed up labor system and labor pots in the cash shop
Originally posted by Ezze902 I am looking forward to buying all my labour points, every 12 hours... just to help with my patron
$20 dollars will buy you 2500 credits or 125 credits per dollar. A labor pot costs 375 credits or 3 dollars. You can do 12 per day per account for $36.00. I can burn up 1500 labor points in a hour just mining and refining ore. I could easily go through 5000 or more in a 4 hour period
Gold sellers are going to love this system since there is no way the average gamer can ever compete with them due to the screwed up labor system and labor pots in the cash shop
Average gamer ? compete ? against whom ?
Played a long time on the russian server with 1 labor per 5 minutes.
Wrecked players who had 5x better gear then me and got stomped by people who had lesser gear.
Compete with what ?
I dont give a shit if someone has more labor as i was used to play with low labor regen.
yet i stood my own on a server with langauge i dontt understand had fun and kicked ass !
Yet Trion offers 5 labor regen, damn.......the shit i could have builded / crafted !!! all those pay to win gear !!!! get real people its in your own little twisted head.
You work as a team in archeage or you get wrecked anyway, labor doesnt change that one bit.
Trion did a good job on a balanced cash shop and subscription, they did a perfect job for freeloaders who get 5 times more labor regen then the korean / russian servers.
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Oh but people are seeing for themself and they think exactly the same judging by their early reaction of the game on AA official forum. That is early game, imagine once they reach endgame and realize they can no longer craft a few gear worth of 125 lp each but now it is more like 500lp each. We see where that goes.
The majority playing are enjoying the game it seems...Seems like most people who havent played it are calling it P2W. They were calling it P2W before the shop came out a few days ago...
A few days ago? We already knew what would be in the cash shop a month ago dude, we didnt needed to see it in game, they announced in their previous livestream, that is when they announced that they will sell gear as well, no op gear but still will sell gear in this half sandbox that is AA. You just proved your ignorance for me, also you clearly havent look at all the p2w labor threads going on AA forum. People didnt react much in alpha because some still enjoyed the game while a lot of people were so disapointed to wasted 150$ that they didnt want to bother themself or even think about this game.
Besides, the only reason why this game got that many people in with such a pricey alpha is because of all the streamers hype. Some steamers even got over 1000 guild members. So as some of these streamers left, scared of "burning themself" in alpha, most of their guild members moved on as well.
Results? I went back to the game a month and a half after alpha release and most pvp zone were dead, like extremely dead, outside of the war that last only an hour once in a blue moon. With no incentive to the northern pvp region, no real castle siege battle going there, zzz.
Its fine if you havent played it yet. But for the people who have they are happy.
Again here is seems people fail to grasp a big point!!!
Labor points are designed to keep gold farmers under control.
Nobody wants gold farmers in the game, and free to play gives them easy access to make new accounts every few minutes...but what they can do with those accounts is what gets effected by the labor points.
Basically the labor point limits for free players means that it will complicate things quite alot for the gold farming websites.
Also it allows players to try out aspects of the game for free and gives them an opportunity to switch to pay per month when ready.
It's basically like an extended free trial with obvious limitations just like any other free to play system. No clue what people's real problem is with this. As mentioned before, no AAA game is free to buy and free to play with zero limitations.
How should that work and why is it not effective?
It takes one to know one.
You have an awsome logic sir, now not only we are annoyed by the gold farmers but now we are restricted in what we can do because of them? Errrr, i am speechless.
The truth is, who do you think this system hurt the most? Patrons with one account limited to 2160lp per day or say a compagny with 50 accounts? Because you really think paying monthly will stop them? It doesnt in any p2p game. What it does is that since it cost them more money to operate, monthly fees, they need to sell their gold higher, driving the value of Trion cash shop item up since you can buy them for real money and sell it in game, trion is compete against gold farmers but to what cost? Our in game liberty and freedom being burden by this mechanic.
They already had ways to stop gold farmers, inventory expendable via cash shop, broker access, farm and housing access. Labor points is the most terrible way to deal with gold farmers and economy control that i have ever saw, the clear winner is trion and its cash shop.
I was in alpha since day one smart ass.
By buying it every 12 hours, you will end up with twice the amount of daily lp any patron will have and maybe 3 time more than free to play players. Multiply this by the number of days that you will be doing that, you might have an insane gear advantage on nearly everyone who is playing the game legitely. Lets say that for the first few months, you will be like any other hacker out there, gaining clear advantage where normal Patron wont have.
Hey if you like to play the easy way, go for it. Each their own. Guess thats why some people, few, likes pay to win games.
Or you could be a free player and buy with in game gold Labor points...Meaning all the money he spent means nothing to the free player who out gears him by being smart.
Or
Not, since you first need LP in order to make money, there is nothing you can do in this game to earn money without spending LP, even killing/looting mobs requires LP. There is a direct relation between how rich you are and how much LP spend. Of course you can learn to spend your LP much better than some people but at the end of the day, the one who invest the most of money in the game, wins. You will always have the short end of the stick and depend on the p2w players.
There arent any p2w players so we are good. Thanks though.
There is a person in Eve Online named Cribba.
This man has a reputation that is as clean as a 18 year old virgin.
He is the richest Eve player by trillions.
You can trade supers and titan ships to this man and he will make sure you get your money for a modest cut of the selling price.
There wont be a person ever who catch up with him as he is the undisputed king of high end trades and everyone trades via this man.
What does this have to do with Archeage ?
Money......gold / isk - it doesnt matter how much you have there will always be a person that has more gold more gear more mats more tradepacks.
In a sandpark / sandbox this doesnt matter nearly as much as you are not playing this mmo on your own, and if you do.......you will get killed , dock camped before you turn in your precious tradepack.
Your ship will be pulled away for 5 minutes or an hour to make you feel miserable for as long as they want.
Archeage focus lies not on you, but on your guild and how you operate.
Eve and Archeage while diffrent also share some similarities and that is the world out there is a dog eat dog world.
While you have nullsec you have warzones / no security zones where there is no law and everyone can attack everyone.
Faction on faction guild on guild player on player yes even you own faction can gank your ass.
I see tons of people saying Labor points regen is unfair / skillpoints from long playing Eve online players are also unfair.
Deal with it. sandparks / sandbox aint never fair, go play something else then Archeage or be innovative and work as a team of players or with your guild / alliance.
Dont play Archage as a themepark but as a sandbox and think outside of the box where other fail to cope with clever use of mechanics.
Anything to give you an advantage.
Create a mercenary guild and be hired to defend trade runners for a fee
Work with your guild to overcome you lack of labor points or safe them up and sell them to a person who offers to pay you for your labor points.
Steal tradepacks so you get tons of mats and break it down to commen mats or turn it in for gilda stars / gold.
There are tons of options available to you, but its not getting handed to you, work for it.
In the end it only takes time for a freeloader to have what they want, the only thing you cant have is a plot of your own.
But you can join a family and have acces to land and grow crops.
Point is - dont play alone as this game is not that kind of game.
Archeage is going for the long run and the more mature a server becomes the more competitive it will be.
You have to work to be good at a game? You are not given everything? Sounds like I should just blame the game on being P2W instead of spending time in the game to get better, being lazy and not joining up and learning how to play the game. Thats just blasphemy. /sarcasm
Great post though. I think most people are just lazy and want everything handed to them and dont want to put any effort games anymore so they blame the games on being hard and catered to people with money instead of getting better.
I dont mean to insult you but that was boring and the worst example i could think of. You can try to use all the clever ways to excuse The labor point system but there is none valid. Yes this is a sandbox and you should join others and blah blah blah.
thing is, if legit players can join each others against p2w players, do you think p2w players cant do the same? And now my friend, uve got an even bigger problem under your hand, an elite society(guild). When you gather a lot of people who individualy already have a huge advantage, all combined will be ridiculous. Its not because someone is poor in game that he can magically come up with clever ways to win under such disadvantage... Sigh. The point is here is not even about having a chance to be the richest mofo in game, its for it to be playable and with the lp system, its just not. That simple.
Your post is interesting but not the game I played. The reason is I didn't make it past level 20 for I got bored being lead by the nose from quest hub to quest hub. I did try to craft / farm but with the labor point restrictions I soon got frustrated and gave up on it.
I feel many will quit like I did before they reach the point where the game you describe kicks in and that is to bad for the game that you describe seems worthy.
You were led, but you didn't have to follow, did you? That's on you.
Quest chains are an added feature on top of the sandbox, it's remarkable how upset people get that the game comes with a tutorial.
$20 dollars will buy you 2500 credits or 125 credits per dollar. A labor pot costs 375 credits or 3 dollars. You can do 12 per day per account for $36.00. I can burn up 1500 labor points in a hour just mining and refining ore. I could easily go through 5000 or more in a 4 hour period
Gold sellers are going to love this system since there is no way the average gamer can ever compete with them due to the screwed up labor system and labor pots in the cash shop
I miss DAoC
Average gamer ? compete ? against whom ?
Played a long time on the russian server with 1 labor per 5 minutes.
Wrecked players who had 5x better gear then me and got stomped by people who had lesser gear.
Compete with what ?
I dont give a shit if someone has more labor as i was used to play with low labor regen.
yet i stood my own on a server with langauge i dontt understand had fun and kicked ass !
Yet Trion offers 5 labor regen, damn.......the shit i could have builded / crafted !!! all those pay to win gear !!!! get real people its in your own little twisted head.
You work as a team in archeage or you get wrecked anyway, labor doesnt change that one bit.
Trion did a good job on a balanced cash shop and subscription, they did a perfect job for freeloaders who get 5 times more labor regen then the korean / russian servers.
Dont like it ? dont play it o/