I've been tired of themeparks for years now and the concept of Vanguard is exactly what I've wanted from a game, except a lot more emphasis on pvp (rvr type). I watched some gameplay a few years back and read some reviews of this game and it just appeared to be another mostly dead mmo that never reached it's potential.
It's a shame I'm settling for games like ESO and AA hoping for a better title in the future. Hopefully Camelot Unchained, Gloria Victis, or Pathfinder Online works out.
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Agreed with most of the article, VG will always hold a spot in my heart. When it first released, I thought it would be the future of MMOs. I still believe that if it had gotten the proper fixes, attention, and was lucrative enough to warrant expansions it could have been. What if VG SoH has led the MMO genre down a completely different path than what it is currently progressing down?
As for the visuals though, I have to disagree. The graphics didn't start to look dated for me until just a couple of years ago. Even the slightly awkward character animations (the half giants looked like they were running with a stick up their butts) weren't a big deal. When the game released I was stunned by the visuals. The sheer scope of the architectural constructions and landmarks (the port of Khal!) had me just sit down on more than one occasion and simply experience the scenery and listen to the environment. IIRC, this game melted the GFX card on my first PC as a teen.
Also (IIRC) when this game released it was the first MMO I had played that had flying mounts across all areas. Not even WoW had them in Azeroth at that point. The prospect of having an entirely new axis to explore was amazing to me.
Just goes to show, studios, what people will love and cherish no matter how unpolished it is, when a game is at core interesting and fun. Each year games get more polished and less fun, and nobody wants to play them, so they blame it on the payment model, or it not being casual enough, or not solo-friendly enough. Vanguard was none of those things and it beat the shit out of anything on the market today in my opinion. Take a page.
Agreed with most of the article, VG will always hold a spot in my heart. When it first released, I thought it would be the future of MMOs. I still believe that if it had gotten the proper fixes, attention, and was lucrative enough to warrant expansions it could have been. What if VG SoH has led the MMO genre down a completely different path than what it is currently progressing down? As for the visuals though, I have to disagree. The graphics didn't start to look dated for me until just a couple of years ago. Even the slightly awkward character animations (the half giants looked like they were running with a stick up their butts) weren't a big deal. When the game released I was stunned by the visuals. The sheer scope of the architectural constructions and landmarks (the port of Khal!) had me just sit down on more than one occasion and simply experience the scenery and listen to the environment. IIRC, this game melted the GFX card on my first PC as a teen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GE3MZf6q7Bk Also (IIRC) when this game released it was the first MMO I had played that had flying mounts across all areas. Not even WoW had them in Azeroth at that point. The prospect of having an entirely new axis to explore was amazing to me.
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Originally posted by sludgebeard I remember being the first person to make it through the diplomacy quests in the dark elf starting area. I literally jumped on the game launch day and dedicated my character to a singular goal of progressing through the game only as a diplomat.
Man those Diplomacy quests had so any great twists and turns, the writing was superb, on par with a full fledged fantasy novel, and the ending to the Dark Elf quest line where your life literally hangs in the balance of the diplomacy mini game was just incredible!
When I think of Vanguard I think of how great Diplomacy was and especially the Dark Elf diplo line, absolutely brilliant. A flawed diamond was our Vanguard, I played it on and off for a few years absolutely loved many aspects but the low pop, myriad bugs, lag, the golden path, being the only Orc on Kojan for night after night was depressing. A game that was a victim of its own ambition but I shall always remember it with much fondness. RIP Vanguard: Saga of Heroes
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Originally posted by eddieg50 Perhaps the worst optimized mmo in history, no one could play the game when it first came out unless you had a top notch computer, even then there was lag. Shame because it was a great game if the lag did not drive you crazy
Talk for yourself i playd it when it come out and i dident have the latest top notch computer.I ident play on highe but medium i whill remember, So dont talk like you talk for all of us
LOL, not going to argue with you, most people who played it at the beginning know that it was poorly optimized= nuff said
Re release Vanguard! Even if I had to start all over from scratch, I'll be more than happy to get into the game I love. No game can fill the void that Vanguard has left me with.
Originally posted by csthao Re release Vanguard! Even if I had to start all over from scratch, I'll be more than happy to get into the game I love. No game can fill the void that Vanguard has left me with.
Can't do that, the game and graphics are so not done anymore at this time.
It would only attract vets who would play for nostalgia, and they need a lot of them to pay for the game for server/maintenance upkeep.
If they would rerelease Vanguard it could be a sequel, which means other engine, content adapted to today's communities and a whole different game.
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Originally posted by eddieg50 Perhaps the worst optimized mmo in history, no one could play the game when it first came out unless you had a top notch computer, even then there was lag. Shame because it was a great game if the lag did not drive you crazy
Talk for yourself i playd it when it come out and i dident have the latest top notch computer.I ident play on highe but medium i whill remember, So dont talk like you talk for all of us
LOL, not going to argue with you, most people who played it at the beginning know that it was poorly optimized= nuff said.
Poorly optimized i can give you ..becuse it was. but you say no one could play the game when it first came out if they dident had i topp notch computer . And that isent true because i dident have a topp noch computer. And i did my first Days in vanguard on the free for all server on the release day .Before i change to the common pvp server. I dident shange server because of the lag even if ther was som lag. But it was unplayable for me because of all the ganking.
Originally posted by eddieg50 Perhaps the worst optimized mmo in history, no one could play the game when it first came out unless you had a top notch computer, even then there was lag. Shame because it was a great game if the lag did not drive you crazy
Talk for yourself i playd it when it come out and i dident have the latest top notch computer.I ident play on highe but medium i whill remember, So dont talk like you talk for all of us
LOL, not going to argue with you, most people who played it at the beginning know that it was poorly optimized= nuff said.
Poorly optimized i can give you ..becuse it was. but you say no one could play the game when it first came out if they dident had i topp notch computer . And that isent true because i dident have a topp noch computer. And i did my first Days in vanguard on the free for all server on the release day .Before i change to the common pvp server. I dident shange server because of the lag even if ther was som lag. But it was unplayable for me because of all the ganking.
I played just fine around launch too. But the bugs with tons of quests, falling through the world regularly and all the chunking freezes (which got you killed often in the process) really got to me and why I didn't play beyond the first month.
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I've been tired of themeparks for years now and the concept of Vanguard is exactly what I've wanted from a game, except a lot more emphasis on pvp (rvr type). I watched some gameplay a few years back and read some reviews of this game and it just appeared to be another mostly dead mmo that never reached it's potential.
It's a shame I'm settling for games like ESO and AA hoping for a better title in the future. Hopefully Camelot Unchained, Gloria Victis, or Pathfinder Online works out.
21 year MMO veteran
PvP Raid Leader
Lover of The Witcher & CD Projekt Red
Agreed with most of the article, VG will always hold a spot in my heart. When it first released, I thought it would be the future of MMOs. I still believe that if it had gotten the proper fixes, attention, and was lucrative enough to warrant expansions it could have been. What if VG SoH has led the MMO genre down a completely different path than what it is currently progressing down?
As for the visuals though, I have to disagree. The graphics didn't start to look dated for me until just a couple of years ago. Even the slightly awkward character animations (the half giants looked like they were running with a stick up their butts) weren't a big deal. When the game released I was stunned by the visuals. The sheer scope of the architectural constructions and landmarks (the port of Khal!) had me just sit down on more than one occasion and simply experience the scenery and listen to the environment. IIRC, this game melted the GFX card on my first PC as a teen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GE3MZf6q7Bk
Also (IIRC) when this game released it was the first MMO I had played that had flying mounts across all areas. Not even WoW had them in Azeroth at that point. The prospect of having an entirely new axis to explore was amazing to me.
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John Henry Newman: "A man would do nothing if he waited until he could do it so well that no one could find fault."
FreddyNoNose: "A good game needs no defense; a bad game has no defense." "Easily digested content is just as easily forgotten."
LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"
When I think of Vanguard I think of how great Diplomacy was and especially the Dark Elf diplo line, absolutely brilliant. A flawed diamond was our Vanguard, I played it on and off for a few years absolutely loved many aspects but the low pop, myriad bugs, lag, the golden path, being the only Orc on Kojan for night after night was depressing. A game that was a victim of its own ambition but I shall always remember it with much fondness. RIP Vanguard: Saga of Heroes
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Indeed! When something is proven it ceases to be a belief, and instead becomes a fact! Well done!
LOL, not going to argue with you, most people who played it at the beginning know that it was poorly optimized= nuff said
Can't do that, the game and graphics are so not done anymore at this time.
It would only attract vets who would play for nostalgia, and they need a lot of them to pay for the game for server/maintenance upkeep.
If they would rerelease Vanguard it could be a sequel, which means other engine, content adapted to today's communities and a whole different game.
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
Poorly optimized i can give you ..becuse it was. but you say no one could play the game when it first came out if they dident had i topp notch computer . And that isent true because i dident have a topp noch computer. And i did my first Days in vanguard on the free for all server on the release day .Before i change to the common pvp server. I dident shange server because of the lag even if ther was som lag. But it was unplayable for me because of all the ganking.
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I played just fine around launch too. But the bugs with tons of quests, falling through the world regularly and all the chunking freezes (which got you killed often in the process) really got to me and why I didn't play beyond the first month.