I'll be back about two months after launch to read.
Omg so many bot's .
The LP system is a scam !
Gankers are everywhere, don't kids have better things to do.
Mr Joe blow whoever spent 8 grand last month.
OMG sooooo many exploits . ( this is gonna be serious) Since people now days pay to test a game . It's no longer about actually testing. It's about finding the best advantages before they are nerfed.
And once again the bot's. Oh the bot's will be many!
I'll be back about two months after launch to read.
Omg so many bot's .
The LP system is a scam !
Gankers are everywhere, don't kids have better things to do.
Mr Joe blow whoever spent 8 grand last month.
OMG sooooo many exploits . ( this is gonna be serious) Since people now days pay to test a game . It's no longer about actually testing. It's about finding the best advantages before they are nerfed.
And once again the bot's. Oh the bot's will be many!
Havent found the Pay to Win button yet, but Im still looking!
I love how it failed in Korea and Russia, yet 2 years later that game is still goin.
If your on the fence about playing it, just wait to release. Its F2P from the get go. Sure LP will be a hassle, but if you plan you should be OK. Your only investment would be your time. Lets face it if your on these forums a lot, you have the time.
Forum trolls have nothing better to do, they calll it play to win, anyone who has played AA knows that these trolls havnt, and that they are full of it.
Either they have never played, or they have and just sucked at the game. Its not a WoW clone, and its not easy like the MMOs they are used to. So they cry on the forums and make the game out to be something its not. They need to make themselves feel better about it, so they claim in P2W and that they wont play it for that reason.
Anyone who has played AA knows these people are full of it, end of story.
The number of people spreading lies about this game without any knowledge about how LP works is absurd.
To make it clear. An average player will never even realize the LP existence. You need to be extremely hardcore to become completely empty, and if you really run out, it's time to subscribe, because it shows how much you are enjoying the game.
You pay to regen LP, so you can craft faster. Ok.
The best itens in the game are crafted. Ok (And how can this be considered a bad thing after all?)
People paying will get the best things first. Ok.
The problem is that "get the best items first" is not a P2W element.
Because if "get first" was an P2W element, all games that sell "xp potions" would be considered P2W.
You know, with xp boost you reach the level cap faster, and makes dungeons first , and get the best items first...
Even League Of Legends can be called P2W then. Xp boosts and Ip boosts makes you reach lvl 30 first, and it give you the masteries advantage. And IP boost give you more IP (ofc), and you get your runes first...
P2W is about selling a power that can not be obtained in game. This would never apply to "get something first".
Nearly all MMOs sell something that makes you get something first, even the P2P ones.
So please, STOP this nosense/lies.
It's no bullshit. It's no lies. You are the one hardcore defending to cover up the truth!
This game is total crap as F2P player! As the LP system is a joke for F2P players!
Come on now! Don't have to cover up the truth that the game IS NOT F2P!
Every single lootbag costs 1 LP (and up) to open to get cash!
Every single quest reward costs 5LP (and up) to be able to equip!
So even if you don't bother with mining (5LP per attempt) or crafting (100LP per attempt and up), you constistently run out of LP.
Not unless you run a macro to keep yourself AFK in the game for a couple days first to build up some LP to start out with (unless the AFK timer doesn't make it in, so then you just stay logged in).
So word of advice! REAL advice! Just suck it up and subscribe, so you get LP to start out with and offline LP regen! So you can at least play the game more worry free!
Don't bother to try the game free, as it sucks big time! The LP system is otherwise going to stonewall you consistently!
During the last closed beta event (as they didn't have AFK timer yet) I just kept myself logged in for a full day and after that I was FINALLY able to play the game a bit, without having to worry running out of LP all the time and filling my bag with unidentified lootbags and quest rewards. That is if you stay away from mining and crafting, as forget about doing that as Free player. You will end up buying more LP pots in a single month, making subsribing hell lot cheaper.
PS. Good Luck to TRION to try advertise this game F2P here in Europe! Especially after EA got slapped by the EU not too long ago, with one of their mobile games. /shrug
I played the game as F2P and had fun but then again I didn't try to play solo. If you play as F2P with friends and join a guild you should be able to do everything patron players can do. In my mind I considered myself playing the game in hard mode which to me offered me a level of challenge. But I realize that I am also the rare type of player who never uses XP boosters, avoids gearing shortcuts, and loves heavy death penalties.
That been said, most, if not all, of the complaints in this game are due to F2P players complaining about the LP system being unfair to F2P players. That being the case, then perhaps the only solution is to sub, become a patron, and voila you can enjoy an excellent game. Why continue to rage about the F2P aspect of the game? Just sub already. No one is forcing you to play as a F2P player, are they? So if you chose to play the game as F2P, that's on you not the game. The game was designed to be a subscription game. They added a F2P version, but it does not have to be for you unless, of course, you chose it to be. If you can't afford it, well guess what, you couldn't afford WoW or FFXIV either. Did you go on their forums and complain ad nauseum about those games sucking because they did not have a completely free F2P option, or not being able to afford their game?
Let's just all agree that AA is a subscription game. Can you play it without paying? Absolutely. Does it suck if you play it for free? Yes it does. These are known facts. So now you are left with the option of whether you want to play an excellent verysion of AA, or a sucky one. Your decision will dictate your level of enjoyment. It is all up to you.
I played the game as F2P and had fun but then again I didn't try to play solo. If you play as F2P with friends and join a guild you should be able to do everything patron players can do. In my mind I considered myself playing the game in hard mode which to me offered me a level of challenge. But I realize that I am also the rare type of player who never uses XP boosters, avoids gearing shortcuts, and loves heavy death penalties.
That been said, most, if not all, of the complaints in this game are due to F2P players complaining about the LP system being unfair to F2P players. That being the case, then perhaps the only solution is to sub, become a patron, and voila you can enjoy an excellent game. Why continue to rage about the F2P aspect of the game? Just sub already. No one is forcing you to play as a F2P player, are they? So if you chose to play the game as F2P, that's on you not the game. The game was designed to be a subscription game. They added a F2P version, but it does not have to be for you unless, of course, you chose it to be. If you can't afford it, well guess what, you couldn't afford WoW or FFXIV either. Did you go on their forums and complain ad nauseum about those games sucking because they did not have a completely free F2P option, or not being able to afford their game?
Let's just all agree that AA is a subscription game. Can you play it without paying? Absolutely. Does it suck if you play it for free? Yes it does. These are known facts. So now you are left with the option of whether you want to play an excellent verysion of AA, or a sucky one. Your decision will dictate your level of enjoyment. It is all up to you.
Great post.
If what the trolls mean by pay to win, is that fact that you should sub to fully enjoy the game, then I agree.
You can enjoy everything, and get the best items in the game WITHOUT EVER SPENDING REAL MONEY. Anyone who says otherwise, has not played AA, and is a forum troll.
You can by Patron status with in game gold, you honestly never have to spend any money on this game.
Havent found the Pay to Win button yet, but Im still looking!
I love how it failed in Korea and Russia, yet 2 years later that game is still goin.
If your on the fence about playing it, just wait to release. Its F2P from the get go. Sure LP will be a hassle, but if you plan you should be OK. Your only investment would be your time. Lets face it if your on these forums a lot, you have the time.
Forum trolls have nothing better to do, they calll it play to win, anyone who has played AA knows that these trolls havnt, and that they are full of it.
Either they have never played, or they have and just sucked at the game. Its not a WoW clone, and its not easy like the MMOs they are used to. So they cry on the forums and make the game out to be something its not. They need to make themselves feel better about it, so they claim in P2W and that they wont play it for that reason.
Anyone who has played AA knows these people are full of it, end of story.
It toes the P2W line a little.
If you take two die hard crafters that are patrons, the one that is willing to buy two LPs a day gains an advantage over the other.
Its certainly not p2w like Runes of Magic or some Perfect World game though, which is how in my opinion p2w should really be used.
It really should be patron = unlimited LP. terrible mechanic which was only created for monetization in the first place, though XL games has fooled some people buy saying otherwise.
Download it or don't download it, the choice is up to you.
It may be what you like, it may not... you won't know until you try it.
If you've already tried it and don't like it, don't play it.
If you've already tried it and like it, play it.
Can't get any simpler than that.
Next up, endless threads about all of the above because people need to complicate what is otherwise simple into a complicated mess. It's how they spend their lives, not playing games, but debating them. Your true gamers are in a game, are you?
If what the trolls mean by pay to win, is that fact that you should sub to fully enjoy the game, then I agree.
You can enjoy everything, and get the best items in the game WITHOUT EVER SPENDING REAL MONEY. Anyone who says otherwise, has not played AA, and is a forum troll.
You can by Patron status with in game gold, you honestly never have to spend any money on this game.
Just out of curiosity, do you consider EvE a f2p game?
Havent found the Pay to Win button yet, but Im still looking!
I love how it failed in Korea and Russia, yet 2 years later that game is still goin.
If your on the fence about playing it, just wait to release. Its F2P from the get go. Sure LP will be a hassle, but if you plan you should be OK. Your only investment would be your time. Lets face it if your on these forums a lot, you have the time.
Forum trolls have nothing better to do, they calll it play to win, anyone who has played AA knows that these trolls havnt, and that they are full of it.
Either they have never played, or they have and just sucked at the game. Its not a WoW clone, and its not easy like the MMOs they are used to. So they cry on the forums and make the game out to be something its not. They need to make themselves feel better about it, so they claim in P2W and that they wont play it for that reason.
Anyone who has played AA knows these people are full of it, end of story.
It toes the P2W line a little.
If you take two die hard crafters that are patrons, the one that is willing to buy two LPs a day gains an advantage over the other.
Its certainly not p2w like Runes of Magic or some Perfect World game though, which is how in my opinion p2w should really be used.
It really should be patron = unlimited LP. terrible mechanic which was only created for monetization in the first place, though XL games has fooled some people buy saying otherwise.
I have to disagree. You can get labor potions with loyalty tokens, never having to spend real life money.
ITS no way pay to win, having the extra labor is nice, but if you want to best items you still need to craft them, which takes time and an effort.
At the end of the day the player who has the advantage is the one who puts in more hours, not the guy who has the extra labor.
Pay to win, is when you go to the marketplace and buy the best item in the game. AA does not sell the best items in the game on the marketplace.
In the case of AA, buying a labor potion is the first step of many to becoming the best player you can.
If what the trolls mean by pay to win, is that fact that you should sub to fully enjoy the game, then I agree.
You can enjoy everything, and get the best items in the game WITHOUT EVER SPENDING REAL MONEY. Anyone who says otherwise, has not played AA, and is a forum troll.
You can by Patron status with in game gold, you honestly never have to spend any money on this game.
Just out of curiosity, do you consider EvE a f2p game?
I'm talking about Archeage, I havnt played EVE in years, and from what I recall its a subscription game.
This game is good and I'll probably be playing, but I think majority of the people, when they find out about labor points it'll really turn them off. It'll have a good start and then a big decline with populations.
Havent found the Pay to Win button yet, but Im still looking!
I love how it failed in Korea and Russia, yet 2 years later that game is still goin.
If your on the fence about playing it, just wait to release. Its F2P from the get go. Sure LP will be a hassle, but if you plan you should be OK. Your only investment would be your time. Lets face it if your on these forums a lot, you have the time.
Forum trolls have nothing better to do, they calll it play to win, anyone who has played AA knows that these trolls havnt, and that they are full of it.
Either they have never played, or they have and just sucked at the game. Its not a WoW clone, and its not easy like the MMOs they are used to. So they cry on the forums and make the game out to be something its not. They need to make themselves feel better about it, so they claim in P2W and that they wont play it for that reason.
Anyone who has played AA knows these people are full of it, end of story.
It toes the P2W line a little.
If you take two die hard crafters that are patrons, the one that is willing to buy two LPs a day gains an advantage over the other.
Its certainly not p2w like Runes of Magic or some Perfect World game though, which is how in my opinion p2w should really be used.
It really should be patron = unlimited LP. terrible mechanic which was only created for monetization in the first place, though XL games has fooled some people buy saying otherwise.
So according to this post every game is P2W then because a crafter who has been in the game for a year before another crafter can craft more advanced weapons and armor than the newer crafter. Unless you're in a race, P2W is not about who got there first, its about being able to acquire power via means not accessible to another player. A perfect example is a cash shop offering OP weapons that are not able to be acquired in the game.
Although P2W can also arguably be defined as the ability to buy items in the CS that would take an extreme amount of effort to acquire in game, the reality of the situation is that in all aspects of life, money buys power. So why should it be any different in video games. Where the rubber hits the road, however, is that whereas money can certainly buy power, it does not buy skill. And it is almost always the case, that whenever two equally equipped opponents come head to head, the one who acquired his/her power through skill will more than likely be victorious over the opponent who acquired their power through money.
So in conclusion, as long as you can acquire the same power in game as those who buy power, the game is not P2W. For if you are able to acquire the same power in game, and then you are beat by someone of equal power, then you are simply beat, regardless of whether the power was earned through effort or bought with money.
when is the game coming out? This is a little ridiculous they're taking wayyyyy to long. This game does look extremely fun but i can't see the game justfying the wait. It doesnt look like anything revolutionary
considering the game is already out as well.in asia.
Was not particularly well received in Russia where it went next.
So why should anyone get hyped up about a 2 time loser, that still has a lot of the shortcomings of other similar Asian MMOs?
Yeah, in no hurry to play this one.
On top of that the localization (of which is what Trion is suppose to be doing with this game) is not even close to being finished. There are many NPCs that are still speaking Korean. Then if you are a pvper you will not enjoy the lack of latency controls in game. I play normally with a server ping of around 35 and this game constantly lags and has poor response in combat.
The UI and functionality is like something out of 2004.... but hopefully modders will fix some of its short falls. Just not a game I am all that excited for anymore.
Urgent: WTB ArcheAge Steam founder pack (gold or silver) cheaper than Trion price. I'm in Russia so Steam blockes Trion's AA off coz of mail.ru. I can accept it as a code of gift, however.
I can pay with Webmoney/PayPal or make an exchange for a number of various Steam games for your gift of a Steam AA founder pack.
Please PM me your offer here if interested. Thanks.
Havent found the Pay to Win button yet, but Im still looking!
I love how it failed in Korea and Russia, yet 2 years later that game is still goin.
If your on the fence about playing it, just wait to release. Its F2P from the get go. Sure LP will be a hassle, but if you plan you should be OK. Your only investment would be your time. Lets face it if your on these forums a lot, you have the time.
Forum trolls have nothing better to do, they calll it play to win, anyone who has played AA knows that these trolls havnt, and that they are full of it.
Either they have never played, or they have and just sucked at the game. Its not a WoW clone, and its not easy like the MMOs they are used to. So they cry on the forums and make the game out to be something its not. They need to make themselves feel better about it, so they claim in P2W and that they wont play it for that reason.
Anyone who has played AA knows these people are full of it, end of story.
It toes the P2W line a little.
If you take two die hard crafters that are patrons, the one that is willing to buy two LPs a day gains an advantage over the other.
Its certainly not p2w like Runes of Magic or some Perfect World game though, which is how in my opinion p2w should really be used.
It really should be patron = unlimited LP. terrible mechanic which was only created for monetization in the first place, though XL games has fooled some people buy saying otherwise.
So according to this post every game is P2W then because a crafter who has been in the game for a year before another crafter can craft more advanced weapons and armor than the newer crafter. Unless you're in a race, P2W is not about who got there first, its about being able to acquire power via means not accessible to another player. A perfect example is a cash shop offering OP weapons that are not able to be acquired in the game.
Although P2W can also arguably be defined as the ability to buy items in the CS that would take an extreme amount of effort to acquire in game, the reality of the situation is that in all aspects of life, money buys power. So why should it be any different in video games. Where the rubber hits the road, however, is that whereas money can certainly buy power, it does not buy skill. And it is almost always the case, that whenever two equally equipped opponents come head to head, the one who acquired his/her power through skill will more than likely be victorious over the opponent who acquired their power through money.
So in conclusion, as long as you can acquire the same power in game as those who buy power, the game is not P2W. For if you are able to acquire the same power in game, and then you are beat by someone of equal power, then you are simply beat, regardless of whether the power was earned through effort or bought with money.
to get wood you need a farm,,to get pelts you need a farm. to have a arm you need to be a patron.no matter how hard you try you cannot be a patron without paying.a patron account can make as much lp back per day logged off as a non patron can make logged on.since lp is per account,no point in even making a second character,but a second account,will make as much lp logged off 24hrs a day as a non patron logged on 24 hr a day.it is by your own definition ptw because of thing cause of thing you can do with cash that is IMPOSSIBLE to do without.that by the way IS p2w.as in pw the healing and pots suck unless bought in store.pots are just about worthless to use,as you take more damage than is healed while taking the pot.another ptw feature. just for grins and giggles i made a cleric,my heal did 10% of my total health,i hit an archer with heal and did not even see his health move.the gliders were a joke,heck if i want to fly i would play pw,10x better with flying mounts and in air combat.
i did not bother much with the crafting,but i did try mining and gathering a bit.began the day with 2k lp mined allthe ore i found and any thing i could gather,after i refined the ore and stone i was down to under 1k,with rewards and money drops,i never really got back to 1400 after 2 days.than you look at the crafting and 1k to craft 1 piece of armor and you decide that there is no future in crafting unless your a patron.
you can delude your self that it is not ptw,but i bet you are a patron,so of course you do not think it is.most people who use the p2w in games do not think it is.but yes it is your choice to buy stuff,and their choice to sell stuff.but by the same token it is my choice not to play a game that forces me to buy stuff to play it.oh i do play sub games as well a ftp games,so it is not even the sub,that i have an issue with.make it a sub game or make it ftp.your skill should be the deciding factor in a game not money.
Havent found the Pay to Win button yet, but Im still looking!
I love how it failed in Korea and Russia, yet 2 years later that game is still goin.
If your on the fence about playing it, just wait to release. Its F2P from the get go. Sure LP will be a hassle, but if you plan you should be OK. Your only investment would be your time. Lets face it if your on these forums a lot, you have the time.
Forum trolls have nothing better to do, they calll it play to win, anyone who has played AA knows that these trolls havnt, and that they are full of it.
Either they have never played, or they have and just sucked at the game. Its not a WoW clone, and its not easy like the MMOs they are used to. So they cry on the forums and make the game out to be something its not. They need to make themselves feel better about it, so they claim in P2W and that they wont play it for that reason.
Anyone who has played AA knows these people are full of it, end of story.
It toes the P2W line a little.
If you take two die hard crafters that are patrons, the one that is willing to buy two LPs a day gains an advantage over the other.
Its certainly not p2w like Runes of Magic or some Perfect World game though, which is how in my opinion p2w should really be used.
It really should be patron = unlimited LP. terrible mechanic which was only created for monetization in the first place, though XL games has fooled some people buy saying otherwise.
So according to this post every game is P2W then because a crafter who has been in the game for a year before another crafter can craft more advanced weapons and armor than the newer crafter. Unless you're in a race, P2W is not about who got there first, its about being able to acquire power via means not accessible to another player. A perfect example is a cash shop offering OP weapons that are not able to be acquired in the game.
Although P2W can also arguably be defined as the ability to buy items in the CS that would take an extreme amount of effort to acquire in game, the reality of the situation is that in all aspects of life, money buys power. So why should it be any different in video games. Where the rubber hits the road, however, is that whereas money can certainly buy power, it does not buy skill. And it is almost always the case, that whenever two equally equipped opponents come head to head, the one who acquired his/her power through skill will more than likely be victorious over the opponent who acquired their power through money.
So in conclusion, as long as you can acquire the same power in game as those who buy power, the game is not P2W. For if you are able to acquire the same power in game, and then you are beat by someone of equal power, then you are simply beat, regardless of whether the power was earned through effort or bought with money.
to get wood you need a farm,,to get pelts you need a farm. to have a arm you need to be a patron.no matter how hard you try you cannot be a patron without paying.a patron account can make as much lp back per day logged off as a non patron can make logged on.since lp is per account,no point in even making a second character,but a second account,will make as much lp logged off 24hrs a day as a non patron logged on 24 hr a day.it is by your own definition ptw because of thing cause of thing you can do with cash that is IMPOSSIBLE to do without.that by the way IS p2w.as in pw the healing and pots suck unless bought in store.pots are just about worthless to use,as you take more damage than is healed while taking the pot.another ptw feature. just for grins and giggles i made a cleric,my heal did 10% of my total health,i hit an archer with heal and did not even see his health move.the gliders were a joke,heck if i want to fly i would play pw,10x better with flying mounts and in air combat.
i did not bother much with the crafting,but i did try mining and gathering a bit.began the day with 2k lp mined allthe ore i found and any thing i could gather,after i refined the ore and stone i was down to under 1k,with rewards and money drops,i never really got back to 1400 after 2 days.than you look at the crafting and 1k to craft 1 piece of armor and you decide that there is no future in crafting unless your a patron.
you can delude your self that it is not ptw,but i bet you are a patron,so of course you do not think it is.most people who use the p2w in games do not think it is.but yes it is your choice to buy stuff,and their choice to sell stuff.but by the same token it is my choice not to play a game that forces me to buy stuff to play it.oh i do play sub games as well a ftp games,so it is not even the sub,that i have an issue with.make it a sub game or make it ftp.your skill should be the deciding factor in a game not money.
You probably glossed over the part in my previous post were I specifically stated that I am a F2P player and enjoying the game. Regarding your "impossible" task, again you can befriend a patron, or join a guild, and have access to their farm and do in it everything they can. So no, it is not "impossible." Regarding LP ... you get LP. You may not get as much LP as a patron, but you get it. Again, it is not a race. It will take you longer to accomplish things because your regeneration of LP is not as great as a patrons, but you will get there in time. This is not the same as not being able to ever get there.
Again, if you can/can not buy anything in the cash shop that can/can not be acquired in game then by its very own definition ... can not be P2W. P2W is when you are able to buy power through a cash shop that can not be acquired in game. You can try and twist it anyway you want, but that is the matter of fact definition of "pay to win."
yes im gonna play but you got a few things wrong, i bought myself a Yata from the animal npc dude for 10 gold, the other yata's might have better stats or different skills, but you dont need a high lvl breeder to get one, and the one i got didnt even have sprint :P but normal run speed was faster, and you dont need a beach house to do aquaculture since there is aquaculture farms many places under sea which dont need a house above it, wouldnt even manage to put a house above it since its to deep water there :P.
If they had a P2W feature in the cash shop would you use it?
When I say P2W in this case, I'm saying it's a literal pay to win feature. Once used, you are max everything. Nothing, absolutely nothing else is left to acquire in game. You have all the rewards, titles, et al that you could possibly ever attain. All your records show the maximum number of everything, PVP victories, what have you, no numbers, stats, rewards, et all will ever go up, ever. You literally have all there is to acquire in game. There is nothing else. You win.
Will I be at a huge disadvantage if I don't get early access and if I want to secure a piece of land for harvesting and living in? Wont there be a land rush in those early days? If so will there be any point bothering about that part of the game after the early start?
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Omg so many bot's .
The LP system is a scam !
Gankers are everywhere, don't kids have better things to do.
Mr Joe blow whoever spent 8 grand last month.
OMG sooooo many exploits . ( this is gonna be serious) Since people now days pay to test a game . It's no longer about actually testing. It's about finding the best advantages before they are nerfed.
And once again the bot's. Oh the bot's will be many!
That's just a start, I have like 600 more.
But I do wish everyone all the best in AA.
Thumbs up !
Facts would be nice. Not just random b.s, thanks.
Forum trolls have nothing better to do, they calll it play to win, anyone who has played AA knows that these trolls havnt, and that they are full of it.
Either they have never played, or they have and just sucked at the game. Its not a WoW clone, and its not easy like the MMOs they are used to. So they cry on the forums and make the game out to be something its not. They need to make themselves feel better about it, so they claim in P2W and that they wont play it for that reason.
Anyone who has played AA knows these people are full of it, end of story.
I played the game as F2P and had fun but then again I didn't try to play solo. If you play as F2P with friends and join a guild you should be able to do everything patron players can do. In my mind I considered myself playing the game in hard mode which to me offered me a level of challenge. But I realize that I am also the rare type of player who never uses XP boosters, avoids gearing shortcuts, and loves heavy death penalties.
That been said, most, if not all, of the complaints in this game are due to F2P players complaining about the LP system being unfair to F2P players. That being the case, then perhaps the only solution is to sub, become a patron, and voila you can enjoy an excellent game. Why continue to rage about the F2P aspect of the game? Just sub already. No one is forcing you to play as a F2P player, are they? So if you chose to play the game as F2P, that's on you not the game. The game was designed to be a subscription game. They added a F2P version, but it does not have to be for you unless, of course, you chose it to be. If you can't afford it, well guess what, you couldn't afford WoW or FFXIV either. Did you go on their forums and complain ad nauseum about those games sucking because they did not have a completely free F2P option, or not being able to afford their game?
Let's just all agree that AA is a subscription game. Can you play it without paying? Absolutely. Does it suck if you play it for free? Yes it does. These are known facts. So now you are left with the option of whether you want to play an excellent verysion of AA, or a sucky one. Your decision will dictate your level of enjoyment. It is all up to you.
Great post.
If what the trolls mean by pay to win, is that fact that you should sub to fully enjoy the game, then I agree.
You can enjoy everything, and get the best items in the game WITHOUT EVER SPENDING REAL MONEY. Anyone who says otherwise, has not played AA, and is a forum troll.
You can by Patron status with in game gold, you honestly never have to spend any money on this game.
It toes the P2W line a little.
If you take two die hard crafters that are patrons, the one that is willing to buy two LPs a day gains an advantage over the other.
Its certainly not p2w like Runes of Magic or some Perfect World game though, which is how in my opinion p2w should really be used.
It really should be patron = unlimited LP. terrible mechanic which was only created for monetization in the first place, though XL games has fooled some people buy saying otherwise.
The game is F2P.
Download it or don't download it, the choice is up to you.
It may be what you like, it may not... you won't know until you try it.
If you've already tried it and don't like it, don't play it.
If you've already tried it and like it, play it.
Can't get any simpler than that.
Next up, endless threads about all of the above because people need to complicate what is otherwise simple into a complicated mess. It's how they spend their lives, not playing games, but debating them. Your true gamers are in a game, are you?
Just out of curiosity, do you consider EvE a f2p game?
I have to disagree. You can get labor potions with loyalty tokens, never having to spend real life money.
ITS no way pay to win, having the extra labor is nice, but if you want to best items you still need to craft them, which takes time and an effort.
At the end of the day the player who has the advantage is the one who puts in more hours, not the guy who has the extra labor.
Pay to win, is when you go to the marketplace and buy the best item in the game. AA does not sell the best items in the game on the marketplace.
In the case of AA, buying a labor potion is the first step of many to becoming the best player you can.
I'm talking about Archeage, I havnt played EVE in years, and from what I recall its a subscription game.
So according to this post every game is P2W then because a crafter who has been in the game for a year before another crafter can craft more advanced weapons and armor than the newer crafter. Unless you're in a race, P2W is not about who got there first, its about being able to acquire power via means not accessible to another player. A perfect example is a cash shop offering OP weapons that are not able to be acquired in the game.
Although P2W can also arguably be defined as the ability to buy items in the CS that would take an extreme amount of effort to acquire in game, the reality of the situation is that in all aspects of life, money buys power. So why should it be any different in video games. Where the rubber hits the road, however, is that whereas money can certainly buy power, it does not buy skill. And it is almost always the case, that whenever two equally equipped opponents come head to head, the one who acquired his/her power through skill will more than likely be victorious over the opponent who acquired their power through money.
So in conclusion, as long as you can acquire the same power in game as those who buy power, the game is not P2W. For if you are able to acquire the same power in game, and then you are beat by someone of equal power, then you are simply beat, regardless of whether the power was earned through effort or bought with money.
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No trials. No tricks. No traps. No EU-RP server. NO THANKS!
...10% Benevolence, 90% Arrogance in my case!
... or be a freeloader and let others pay for you entertainment !!!
considering the game is already out as well.in asia.
On top of that the localization (of which is what Trion is suppose to be doing with this game) is not even close to being finished. There are many NPCs that are still speaking Korean. Then if you are a pvper you will not enjoy the lack of latency controls in game. I play normally with a server ping of around 35 and this game constantly lags and has poor response in combat.
The UI and functionality is like something out of 2004.... but hopefully modders will fix some of its short falls. Just not a game I am all that excited for anymore.
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to get wood you need a farm,,to get pelts you need a farm. to have a arm you need to be a patron.no matter how hard you try you cannot be a patron without paying.a patron account can make as much lp back per day logged off as a non patron can make logged on.since lp is per account,no point in even making a second character,but a second account,will make as much lp logged off 24hrs a day as a non patron logged on 24 hr a day.it is by your own definition ptw because of thing cause of thing you can do with cash that is IMPOSSIBLE to do without.that by the way IS p2w.as in pw the healing and pots suck unless bought in store.pots are just about worthless to use,as you take more damage than is healed while taking the pot.another ptw feature. just for grins and giggles i made a cleric,my heal did 10% of my total health,i hit an archer with heal and did not even see his health move.the gliders were a joke,heck if i want to fly i would play pw,10x better with flying mounts and in air combat.
i did not bother much with the crafting,but i did try mining and gathering a bit.began the day with 2k lp mined allthe ore i found and any thing i could gather,after i refined the ore and stone i was down to under 1k,with rewards and money drops,i never really got back to 1400 after 2 days.than you look at the crafting and 1k to craft 1 piece of armor and you decide that there is no future in crafting unless your a patron.
you can delude your self that it is not ptw,but i bet you are a patron,so of course you do not think it is.most people who use the p2w in games do not think it is.but yes it is your choice to buy stuff,and their choice to sell stuff.but by the same token it is my choice not to play a game that forces me to buy stuff to play it.oh i do play sub games as well a ftp games,so it is not even the sub,that i have an issue with.make it a sub game or make it ftp.your skill should be the deciding factor in a game not money.
You probably glossed over the part in my previous post were I specifically stated that I am a F2P player and enjoying the game. Regarding your "impossible" task, again you can befriend a patron, or join a guild, and have access to their farm and do in it everything they can. So no, it is not "impossible." Regarding LP ... you get LP. You may not get as much LP as a patron, but you get it. Again, it is not a race. It will take you longer to accomplish things because your regeneration of LP is not as great as a patrons, but you will get there in time. This is not the same as not being able to ever get there.
Again, if you can/can not buy anything in the cash shop that can/can not be acquired in game then by its very own definition ... can not be P2W. P2W is when you are able to buy power through a cash shop that can not be acquired in game. You can try and twist it anyway you want, but that is the matter of fact definition of "pay to win."
yes im gonna play but you got a few things wrong, i bought myself a Yata from the animal npc dude for 10 gold, the other yata's might have better stats or different skills, but you dont need a high lvl breeder to get one, and the one i got didnt even have sprint :P but normal run speed was faster, and you dont need a beach house to do aquaculture since there is aquaculture farms many places under sea which dont need a house above it, wouldnt even manage to put a house above it since its to deep water there :P.
other than that im looking forward to release ^^
Here's some food for thought...
If they had a P2W feature in the cash shop would you use it?
When I say P2W in this case, I'm saying it's a literal pay to win feature. Once used, you are max everything. Nothing, absolutely nothing else is left to acquire in game. You have all the rewards, titles, et al that you could possibly ever attain. All your records show the maximum number of everything, PVP victories, what have you, no numbers, stats, rewards, et all will ever go up, ever. You literally have all there is to acquire in game. There is nothing else. You win.
Or did you?