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Did Trion Just Made ArchAge P2W?
Look at the notes for the Marketplace:
http://forums.archeagegame.com/showthread.php?35572-ArcheAge-Open-Beta-Marketplace-Changes
So they make enough money on Founder's packs and then turn the cash shop into P2W. Look at all the replies. he forums are going crazy right now.
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I don't see the P2W, but sure.
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Including Archeum crates is probably the cheapest and greediest move Trion has done with the game yet.
I´m loosing my interest fast on AA even before the game officialy launches... and i´ve been playing in Alpha....
I thought Alpha testing would help to polish the experience for Open Beta & release, but they are going the total opposite way i would of have expected just few hours prior opening servers...
Buying Archeum on the cash shop is atrocious... destroys the economy....the sense of "end game" crafted weapons...and makes me don´t want to subscribe to the game once my patron status included in my founder pack runs out.
I see most of the complains about addition of The Archeum Supply Crate
What is that?
ArcheAge has been pay2win from the start, since you could always pay money to get stuff that helps you in the game.
The only F2P game I know that is not P2W is dota2. Nothing you can buy there in the shop has any effect on the gameplay.
Let's play Fallen Earth (blind, 300 episodes)
Let's play Guild Wars 2 (blind, 45 episodes)
Archeum dust is a crafting supply needed to craft "high end" weapons & armors...
During Alpha Testing it was evident that the drop rate was ridiculous and most Alpha testers asked Trion to upgrade the drop ratio since it was a real pain to even craft a low level weapon (for example a lvl 44 gear set could take you months to craft,and it´s not even max level)....
So what did Trion do? Instead of buffing the drop...they now sell crates containing those materials in the cash shop!!!!
Archeum Supply Crate tooltip: "Includes a variety of consumables, components, and regrade items, with a bonus chance of archeum. Rumor has it the legendary pack-donkey, Carrot Dash, can occasionally be found within!"
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The crate is a gamble loot drop, with a very low chance of dropping anything significant as stated by closed beta testers. You know people who actually PLAY the game.
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Why Archeum is a bad thing.
RNG in crafting... up to mind boggliing levels. Item decay would be so much more interesting.
Still has a chance of archeum, we don't know yet the chance, could be 50%, 80%, 20%, so even having this crate is already bad thing.
Trion just reduced the cooldown of the Labour Point potions from 12 hours to 4 hours. People were upset with it just being every 12 hours, and now this...lol
You can now max a craft in a week..lol
They buffed the drop rate..
Joined 2004 - I can't believe I've been a MMORPG.com member for 20 years! Get off my lawn!
or so tehy say, but before they didn't sell this box, and I swear they say 85% of the people asked for that labor point I didn't see a survey for it, and a lot of people are complaining of exactly that, some even asked for it to NOT be in game then they made it a 4hours cd? just sell the gear for gems already if you want to be like that
People should undestand one thing: ¨MMOs are not free¨, ¨Games are not free¨. Companies and Devs create games to EARN money, thats how the MMO world Works and F2P games are the best way to do that, where the guy who spend more money will have more things and faster that you.
And nobody considers Founder Packs to be the ultimate P2W??
To be honost I don't really care but it struck me when thinking about what type of advantage Founder Packs actually gives. And it's not so much as in goods/items but has more to do with the amount of forehand experiance founder packs grant.
But remember I did write this but I still don't care if a game is P2W, because the simple fact if I would be worried I just wouldn't be playing any online game as they all "can" be P2W doesn't matter if it's a F2P, B2P or P2P because people always find way's if they want to.
Yes games need to make money. The problem (in my opinion) is when a game sets up a cash shop where EVEN IF you are paying them a monthly fee (which I am), you are still at a major disadvantage compared to people burning cash in the cash shop.
It should be "Free to play with cash shop purchases" OR "Patron status"....it shouldn't be "Pay us 15 bucks a month, oh and spend more money in the cash shop in order to level up and gear up faster!". That is just being greedy.
I think Valve is making a decent amount of money with DOTA2, without selling anything that has any effect on the gameplay.
Let's play Fallen Earth (blind, 300 episodes)
Let's play Guild Wars 2 (blind, 45 episodes)
This is what happened to my beloved Wushu. It took about a year, but it did come.
And it will be the future of almost all MMORPGs. As long as gamers are willing to fork over the money, and in many cases they are, you will see sub + cash shop becoming the norm.
There are a few games that are quite generous with their subscription bonuses...even Rift is fairly generous.
In general though, I agree that it is becoming the norm. They are sneaking it in by saying "Oh but you can subscribe monthly and not use the cash shop!" but then slowly the cash shops include things that even a subscriber doesn't get or would benefit from.
I'm all for "Free to play" versions of games (though honestly people should figure out a better name...I think it spoils people to think they can just play completely for free) where you use a cash shop to support the game but you don't have to pay for a monthly fee. However I think those games should always remain sub OR cash shop, not both (except for cosmetic items).
When gamers are screaming for f2p and these games give you that they still have to make money. Most players are like hit and run drivers so asking them to spend out of the feeling that the game is deserving of some cash is naive and stupid. So they find ways to make you spend the money you should be spending supporting them. However when it includes games where I am also paying a subscription that is damn low unless it is cosmetic or everything available in cash shop is also in game. Well you know what they say about be afraid of getting what you asked for. Here is the future of MMORPG.
People got mad when ESO included the imperial horse on cash shop, imagine if they copied AA cash shop, the servers would literally catch on fire.
Guy opens 9 archeum chests
Yeah... It keeps getting harder to like this game when they keep doing things like this.
Agreed! Been saying much the same thing since f2p and cash shops started invading the gaming space. Free in this case is not free and because WE THE PLAYER/CUSTOMER are too stupid to see it, THEY get away with it. It is the primary reason I will never spend a dime in a so-called f2p game and will never spend a dime in a cash shop. And of late, I will not support a game with a sub if it also has either of those just mentioned. I think I will just let those with the fat wallet waste their money to pay my way.
Let's party like it is 1863!