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The Push for Patron Is Turning Me Off
Spankster77
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I just logged into the beta and I am sitting in a queue that tells me how long I have, what place in queue I am, and what place in queue patrons are. I don't need to know how many patrons are ahead of me, all I need to know is how long until I can log in.
Their push to peddle these patron packs is kind of cheapening the game IMO.
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I will be a paying player, I don't support the F2P model as I believe that it changes the focus of the game. What I am saying is that showing a splash screen advertising the founder packs is fine. I don't need to be shown that I am number 500 in line to login but patrons only have to wait 2. I don't even care that patrons get priority but I think them taunting us with it is a poor marketing ploy.
I actually think it's smart on their part.
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Really.....not showing that patrons get priority would be one major blunder and a fatal marketing scheme ,you may not need to be shown this but thousands of patrons present and future do !!
Then for the love of god, STOP trying to nickel and dime me, give me the ability to pay a subscription fee that gives me access to the entire game and i'll be alot happier.
Every time i see 'pay 5 bucks to get this' or 'only 25 for this, 10 for that' i'm passing on the game. I absolutely refuse to be a part of the current trend of farmville mmo's. Raise the monthly subscription to 19.99, i don't care but give me a game to play without all the stupid pay walls.
I'm HAPPY to pay for a game. Just refuse to get nickel and dimed.
As a Patron, I must say that this queue is truly satisfying.
It lets me see the real time reapings of my dolla-dolla bills y'all.
http://youtu.be/gIbW579nVkk
Other games with queue priority for subscribers manage to get the word out just fine without being so in-your-face about it.
I love Trion. I think they are a great company. I think publishing AA in the west was a bad move.. at the very least a bad PR move.
I, too, sub to games that have the option. That doesn't mean I think things like this are okay.
In fact, I would go as far as to say that AA is setting a terrible precedent for the future of MMOs in relation to the LP. I would accept it far more willingly if subscribers (patrons) didn't have a LP cap or anything, that it was only a F2P thing. It does NOT matter if I never run out of LP as a subscriber. That is not the point. It's a terrible precedent, this 'farmville' practice eeking into our MMOs.
That said, I won't be playing AA. Yeah I know, my loss, etc etc. I just refuse to enable these practices. It's unfortunate that so many are willing to do so.
EDIT: If someone, say 10 years ago, was to post that in a decade there would be this amount of people 'okay' with this in a MMORPG they would have been laughed off and called crazy. Yet here we are. So many of 'us' are accepting this just to be able to play the new shiny game.
That's the biggest problem for me on the F2P "issue". Those kind of practices take me out of the game quicker then anything else. It's a total immersion killer, as are in-game advertising mechanics like large $ shaped icons, even though I'm already subscribing. I don't really give a flying &&&& what they sell, I just don't want it in my face every where I turn, it's in stark contrast to the idea of immersion.
I don't care about P2W, I don't care about advantages, etc... All I care about is my game not looking like a real world shopping mall, or even worse a carnival...
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agreed ive tried 4 times to login and its no less then 20 minutes
and then a patron jumps in and im bumped back to 20 minutes
try before you buy.....not good sign when a patron is sitting in queue is it!
I've seen 1 there then suddenly 4-5 or more and you get wacked
each server has a queue of like 300-600 people
not bothering anymore with beta
will try again later when im bored
one idea i had is they are testing how many might be interested in the game and of course 1st day it will get an overload
they go add another server and things might settle nice
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No one is debating that. They just chose to go with a really trashy method.
This type of reply has always baffled me when made in the face of most F2P complaints. As most come from those who prefer sub models over F2P, hence why they're turned off by issues such as this. It's the fact they do this so the "free loaders" can play that is the problem IMO. They're sacrificing good game design and monetary methods, in order to bring in the free player, which brings with it nickle and dime tactics. So now our games are looking more and more like a shopping mall during a holiday blowout sale.
Defending these practices is essentially defending the freeloaders free ticket. As they're the direct cause of it.
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think of it as vip access my friend, companies font have to make a F2P option its just that those that do seem to get more income. I played the open beta and its the same old problem for every MMo I have ever played, that being the new kid on the block so everyone is curious about him, talking about it and even hanging out with him until you find out something that pushes you away, boredom, greedy, or just plain not fun. You are not missing out much except testing out various builds for the launch as for the pay wall thing is the business model that seems to be working for most new mmo's they have a steady income from P2P models however the inevitability of numbers dropping always catches up with them then layoff, then less content and even less numbers until the income makes investors shut it down. ITs mostly mentality thing if you don't have to pay a monthly fee you are more likely to pony up something in the store at least once and if for every one person that subscribes they get 4 people to drop 5$ even in just a month that is a chunk of change that most P2P models just won't get.
Its going to be a trend for most of the newer MMO's some will still have the P2p, some will only have f2p and then there is archeage that is a hybrid model you can either subscribe and get all these perks or you can play free and have them wear you down with cash shop offers. Just wait it out until the game launches the numbers will balance out sometime after its first few weeks often times quicker.
Because as a game MARKETED as a free to play game, it will depend on an active community for it's market to flourish (ALL sandbox games are extremely community based in this way) with free to play players (the ones who are your target audience with your ads all over the place saying 'free to play') being treated like 2nd class citizens see how long they stick around to make that market and that virtual world feel populated.
Oh they won't?
Gee wonder why.
Um, as I understand it, Patrons are in a queue to. The only difference is, the Patrons go to the head of the line.
Also remember this little tidbit... they are stress testing the servers right now. You are their lab rats. They are seeing how much capacity each server can handle and determining the number of servers for launch. So there's a queue because a lot of people want to play this game. I would think you would be delighted by the numbers... people always complain about "low" servers... well here you go, a "full" one.
while i understand they want to push patron status on as much people as they can, i dont see the queue as an issue.
Even subscription only mmos that are well populated have had long queues and all of them are paying and waiting.
This is the early open beta/launch syndrome, give the game some time and the queues will disappear or greatly reduce when people start leaving.