The two biggest reasons for all the people screaming P2W are labor pots and the archeum boxes, both of which have some points which have not been mentioned.
Archeum / Archeum Boxes:
Are not named after archeum dust, shards, crystals, etc. These were called Archeum chests as a sort of nod towards the archeum packs sold for $150, Scapes has confirmed this on the official forums.
The drop rates of the archeum boxes were tested on a reddit thread with a total of around 100 boxes opened. The findings were that in 100 chests, the drop rate of archeum was actually rather low with a total of 656 dust.
The drop rates were not lowered in the game, Trion has been analysing the drop rates and are sending feedback to XLgames in order to get them raised. The patch notes for the OB themselves said that sunlight had been raised, I personally did not see a raise but I'm not gonna yell BS without any hard facts.
Labor Potions:
The biggest killer of the this being p2w is that they can be sold in the AH meaning that f2p players can also get these with gold. Of course people spending cash on the game can get them faster however that just means they are getting an advantage for keeping the game running.
No matter how much labor you have, farming mats will always take a set amount of time. I know how tasks like mining or gathering from the wild all require labor, even farming coin purses, however whether this will break the game when so many recipes require large quantities of grown resources is questionable.
Again these are just some points that I havnt seen brought up much so im throwing them in the mix.
Objectively, this had to happen, becouse of bots and eastern grinding ring, but it seems to hurt free players more than it should making them handicap by ~100% compared to patron.
Pros:
Positive thing is that it is a game with the widest possibilities out there atm, new generation mmorpg, advanced crafting system, good combat, and good class system.
Cons:
Apparently there are thousands of players having errors and being blocked and support tickets are being responded in 1-2week time, plus to make this game even more repulsive, the game engine is so unstable that even now there are numerous bots and hacks wide that are interfiring with the games balance, and on top of all of that, they are implementing one of the most ruthless possible F2P models on the market today, to keep the Bots and Free players as well in check and on a leash. Graphics are not as most expected them to be, they are average, and with limited labor gameplay in place, this game wont last long against other mmorpg's out there and soon to be like Black Desert, EQ Next or others.
Contrary to most suck ups ZiggyD thoroughly explored the game and found flaws that are just being mentioned, there is still time to change things and balance them up, improve bot&hack reporting system and stabilize support system and servers.
And his video of Archeage F2P shift model is similar to Rift, only in Rift it wasnt as nearly as ruthless as it is here towards F2P community, and people know it.
I remember in 2010 after the first full year following the 2008 stock market crash. The news was that online gaming over all had it's most successful year, in terms of profit.
In particular were the "cash shop" games.
That made many game company's look more closely at the cash shop model variants of the same.
Which brings us now to a large selection of f2p, "p2w" as many call them, games.
I really don't intend to speak for or against how people prefer to game.
However there are now more online gamers than ever, across the board of all the economic spectrums, and game platforms. I attribute a fair portion of this to the f2p models we have.
It's basically a non topic for me. More games, more players, more chance for good games, I am probably going to find more games which I enjoy due to these factors.
Who spends what and why matters not for me, it isn't a competition for me. If that's what I wanted, I'd go shoot hoops.
So play your game, the one you really like. Call it yours.
And have a wonderful day. Life is full of the other kind.
See the world and all within it. Live a lifetime in every minute.
How in the world is anyone gona beable to chug potions every 4 hours. Lets see what they do, not work, take a nap wake up in 4 hours chug a potion. Go back to sleep. Wake up in another 4 hours chug again....
Seriously who in the world can do that constantly 7 days a week.
Guilds have already made plans for crafting alts to be played by people in different timezones to get them to Armor and Weaponsmith max during Head start with potions. I have spoken to 2 guild leaders that have put ridiculous amounts of work into making sure that they will be dominating on their server after head start.
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My guild has decided to stay away from those servers in the hope of avoiding the most competitive guilds.
How in the world is anyone gona beable to chug potions every 4 hours. Lets see what they do, not work, take a nap wake up in 4 hours chug a potion. Go back to sleep. Wake up in another 4 hours chug again....
Seriously who in the world can do that constantly 7 days a week.
Guilds have already made plans for crafting alts to be played by people in different timezones to get them to Armor and Weaponsmith max during Head start with potions. I have spoken to 2 guild leaders that have put ridiculous amounts of work into making sure that they will be dominating on their server after head start.
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My guild has decided to stay away from those servers in the hope of avoiding the most competitive guilds.
You can't craft wihout resources. You can't get resources without farming and mining, which take time. You can't get a farm without a certain amount of questing. There's absolutely no way anyone could max out a craft during head start no matter how much they were prepared to spend in the cash shop or on additional patron accounts.
edit: Even more to the point, I just realised you specifically mentioned Armor and Weaponsmith professions, both of which are impossible to max out due to the shortage of Archeum at launch. The people you speak of wil be very dissappointed if they think they will be able to supply themselves from Archeum packs. These things are just an unfortunately named, lucky dip treasure chest. They are in no way supposed to be an alternative supply of Archeum and it's just not viable to use them as such
How in the world is anyone gona beable to chug potions every 4 hours. Lets see what they do, not work, take a nap wake up in 4 hours chug a potion. Go back to sleep. Wake up in another 4 hours chug again....
Seriously who in the world can do that constantly 7 days a week.
Guilds have already made plans for crafting alts to be played by people in different timezones to get them to Armor and Weaponsmith max during Head start with potions. I have spoken to 2 guild leaders that have put ridiculous amounts of work into making sure that they will be dominating on their server after head start.
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My guild has decided to stay away from those servers in the hope of avoiding the most competitive guilds.
You can't craft wihout resources. You can't get resources without farming and mining, which take time. You can't get a farm without a certain amount of questing. There's absolutely no way anyone could max out a craft during head start no matter how much they were prepared to spend in the cash shop or on additional patron accounts.
edit: Even more to the point, I just realised you specifically mentioned Armor and Weaponsmith professions, both of which are impossible to max out due to the shortage of Archeum at launch. The people you speak of wil be very dissappointed if they think they will be able to supply themselves from Archeum packs. These things are just an unfortunately named, lucky dip treasure chest. They are in no way supposed to be an alternative supply of Archeum and it's just not viable to use them as such
Have you even played the game? From your reply it sure does not sound like it.
Mining is a joke, you can do that 24/7 now with the labor potions.
Groups are going to run PC/HF or SM/BC non stop for those drops to get archeum to the crafters.
Polish is easily farmed and ingredients grow almost perfectly in sync with the 4h LP potion boost you will get.
You obviously underestimate how much money some guilds have and how organized they are.
I just look at it and verified the info and it is accurate. So basically everyone that was against the fact to call it P2W are now wrong because it is a P2W game.
They have now taken away the mats to craft gear and put it as buy with real cash only in the shop. So yes you will be able to buy it in game but someone as to buy it with cash first in the cash shop then sell it on the AH or what ever system AA as to sell to players in-game for gold. This is a bummer, i was all happy to seethe game running even smoother on my old system but with that change they just killed all the fun out of the game.
Never gona play another Trion game until they fix there issue about P2W. They just jumped ship and became a money hungry publisher.
That video's been completely debunked.
First off, getting labor "26 x faster" by chugging labor pots on all your alts is completely asinine. You can get 10 x the labor for your dollar by just buying extra patron accounts.
Secondly, players have always had the ability to buy archeum with cash, by buying credits and laundering them through the auction house to obtain archeum. Archeum chests are not the most cost-efficient item in the marketplace, so their presence will have little effect on hard core whales. The fact that archeum is ALWAYS available in the AH (and only 1 gold for a moonlight dust) proves that it's not as gating as the loud voices want us to believe. For that matter Auroria is NOT blanketed with archeum trees.
Yep - but logic is ignored around these parts, so this will fall on deaf ears as "P2W" is what the masses love to yell
AA with multiple subscription accounts (gives you the most bang for the buck) is just as much as P2W is as EvE with multiple accounts or DAoC was back in the day or EQ1 etc...
So if AA is P2W - then most sub games are also P2W with multiple accounts - it's been like this since the dawn of MMORPGs
Oh but lets ignore that ....
Making gold with second account requires working hard on second account. Making gold by re-selling LP pots from shop requires little effort.
Farmed archeum on AH is fairly produced by players and limited. Archeum from chests can be obtained until whales are out of money.
But, yeah, who cares about players-controlled economy these days.
Originally posted by ReaperUk
Originally posted by Kangaroomouse
Originally posted by Dzone
How in the world is anyone gona beable to chug potions every 4 hours. Lets see what they do, not work, take a nap wake up in 4 hours chug a potion. Go back to sleep. Wake up in another 4 hours chug again....
Seriously who in the world can do that constantly 7 days a week.
Guilds have already made plans for crafting alts to be played by people in different timezones to get them to Armor and Weaponsmith max during Head start with potions. I have spoken to 2 guild leaders that have put ridiculous amounts of work into making sure that they will be dominating on their server after head start.
----
My guild has decided to stay away from those servers in the hope of avoiding the most competitive guilds.
You can't craft wihout resources. You can't get resources without farming and mining, which take time. You can't get a farm without a certain amount of questing. There's absolutely no way anyone could max out a craft during head start no matter how much they were prepared to spend in the cash shop or on additional patron accounts.
Or you can just resell CS items to make tons of gold and buy everything you need from other players, grind combat stuff fast with CS boosts till cap and pwn non-donating peasants.
It always baffles me how people think video game companies should just be philanthropic not for profit organizations making games for all for free, because MMO's are an inalienable right or something.
Originally posted by sycofiend It always baffles me how people think video game companies should just be philanthropic not for profit organizations making games for all for free, because MMO's are an inalienable right or something.
I just look at it and verified the info and it is accurate. So basically everyone that was against the fact to call it P2W are now wrong because it is a P2W game.
They have now taken away the mats to craft gear and put it as buy with real cash only in the shop. So yes you will be able to buy it in game but someone as to buy it with cash first in the cash shop then sell it on the AH or what ever system AA as to sell to players in-game for gold. This is a bummer, i was all happy to seethe game running even smoother on my old system but with that change they just killed all the fun out of the game.
Never gona play another Trion game until they fix there issue about P2W. They just jumped ship and became a money hungry publisher.
That video's been completely debunked.
First off, getting labor "26 x faster" by chugging labor pots on all your alts is completely asinine. You can get 10 x the labor for your dollar by just buying extra patron accounts.
Secondly, players have always had the ability to buy archeum with cash, by buying credits and laundering them through the auction house to obtain archeum. Archeum chests are not the most cost-efficient item in the marketplace, so their presence will have little effect on hard core whales. The fact that archeum is ALWAYS available in the AH (and only 1 gold for a moonlight dust) proves that it's not as gating as the loud voices want us to believe. For that matter Auroria is NOT blanketed with archeum trees.
You understand you can do both right? chug potions and have multiple accounts right, its not an either or.
And you understand that buying archeum with cash is THE ONLY viable route for archum? Because they removed the gear drops from mobs, made it impossible to deconstruct dungeon gear, and reduced the drop rate from coin purses to next to nothing.
So the onyl way to craft is to purchase it in 5 dollar incriments and hope for the best. And since its completely random you will be buying a lot of those chests.
All of these leads to the pay to win arguement, having to BUY crafting mats in a game where crafting is BEST IN SLOT is pay to win.
What arent you people getting about this?
Whether you buy it off the auction house or the cash shop somebody else has to fucking buy it from Trions item mall.
Might as well just sell stacks of 100 ore, lumber, and stone. Since you can buy it on the auction house as well, that wouldnt be any more pay to win right? RIGHT?
I just dont understand how people can pretend its not pay to win, almost every alpha streamer for archeage has made similar videos stating they dislike the direction the game is playing and they will no longer be making content for it. Are you saying these guys are crybaby whiners who dont know what htey are talking about as well?
These guys who have hundreds of hours of max level pvp, who have played the korean versions, who have made guide after guide, they dont want to play anymore, they are also whiners?
I wish i could stick my head that far into the sand as well.
It is just what people do. If some one gets a bad feeling when some one proves something to them, they ignore it and make up things to make them feel better.... Which is what they seem to be doing. No matter what you say, they will just say it isnt P2W, all games are P2W, so its fine.
Originally posted by sycofiend It always baffles me how people think video game companies should just be philanthropic not for profit organizations making games for all for free, because MMO's are an inalienable right or something.
Who says anything about free? Where did you get that from?
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Gamers are more than happy to pay $15 a month for a good game that gives them the full experience that everyone else gets. FFXI, FFXIV, WoW, SWTOR and EvE are proof that you can run a subscription game successfully.
All these games are set up for long term success and they make their companies truckloads of money.
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The problem with AA is that it is set up for a quick cash grab not for long term commitment. Trion knows that when AA finally dies in Korea and other countries, XLGames will not continue to make updates for the game which will kill it in the western market too.
So Trion did the smart thing and decided to set up the game for maximum profit in the maybe 24 Months the game has left before updates stop.
Originally posted by sycofiend It always baffles me how people think video game companies should just be philanthropic not for profit organizations making games for all for free, because MMO's are an inalienable right or something.
Yeah, because offering a good value at the right price won't make any money. It's better for these companies to engage in shady bait'n'switch tactics to offer a preview to a product , that people paid a lot of money for, and let people see what they want to see, then at the last minute, switch out the product to something you vaguely, in a non committal way, said that you were not going to do.
Originally posted by Ludwik Could have shared it in the other 20 threads.
I probably wouldn't have caught it in another thread, and to me this was a great video describing AA pay/LP system. The more I look into this game the more I'm leaning towards waiting on investing time into it.
Thanx OP for the info.
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You can also BUY TRION and make them give you all the stuff free!!
Such an P2W game!!!
The two biggest reasons for all the people screaming P2W are labor pots and the archeum boxes, both of which have some points which have not been mentioned.
Archeum / Archeum Boxes:
Veteran Critic Review
Objectively, this had to happen, becouse of bots and eastern grinding ring, but it seems to hurt free players more than it should making them handicap by ~100% compared to patron.
Pros:
Positive thing is that it is a game with the widest possibilities out there atm, new generation mmorpg, advanced crafting system, good combat, and good class system.
Cons:
Apparently there are thousands of players having errors and being blocked and support tickets are being responded in 1-2week time, plus to make this game even more repulsive, the game engine is so unstable that even now there are numerous bots and hacks wide that are interfiring with the games balance, and on top of all of that, they are implementing one of the most ruthless possible F2P models on the market today, to keep the Bots and Free players as well in check and on a leash.
Graphics are not as most expected them to be, they are average, and with limited labor gameplay in place, this game wont last long against other mmorpg's out there and soon to be like Black Desert, EQ Next or others.
Contrary to most suck ups ZiggyD thoroughly explored the game and found flaws that are just being mentioned, there is still time to change things and balance them up, improve bot&hack reporting system and stabilize support system and servers.
And his video of Archeage F2P shift model is similar to Rift, only in Rift it wasnt as nearly as ruthless as it is here towards F2P community, and people know it.
#Archeage #Review
I remember in 2010 after the first full year following the 2008 stock market crash. The news was that online gaming over all had it's most successful year, in terms of profit.
In particular were the "cash shop" games.
That made many game company's look more closely at the cash shop model variants of the same.
Which brings us now to a large selection of f2p, "p2w" as many call them, games.
I really don't intend to speak for or against how people prefer to game.
However there are now more online gamers than ever, across the board of all the economic spectrums, and game platforms. I attribute a fair portion of this to the f2p models we have.
It's basically a non topic for me. More games, more players, more chance for good games, I am probably going to find more games which I enjoy due to these factors.
Who spends what and why matters not for me, it isn't a competition for me. If that's what I wanted, I'd go shoot hoops.
So play your game, the one you really like. Call it yours.
And have a wonderful day. Life is full of the other kind.
See the world and all within it.
Live a lifetime in every minute.
Guilds have already made plans for crafting alts to be played by people in different timezones to get them to Armor and Weaponsmith max during Head start with potions. I have spoken to 2 guild leaders that have put ridiculous amounts of work into making sure that they will be dominating on their server after head start.
----
My guild has decided to stay away from those servers in the hope of avoiding the most competitive guilds.
You can't craft wihout resources. You can't get resources without farming and mining, which take time. You can't get a farm without a certain amount of questing. There's absolutely no way anyone could max out a craft during head start no matter how much they were prepared to spend in the cash shop or on additional patron accounts.
edit: Even more to the point, I just realised you specifically mentioned Armor and Weaponsmith professions, both of which are impossible to max out due to the shortage of Archeum at launch. The people you speak of wil be very dissappointed if they think they will be able to supply themselves from Archeum packs. These things are just an unfortunately named, lucky dip treasure chest. They are in no way supposed to be an alternative supply of Archeum and it's just not viable to use them as such
Have you even played the game? From your reply it sure does not sound like it.
Making gold with second account requires working hard on second account. Making gold by re-selling LP pots from shop requires little effort.
Farmed archeum on AH is fairly produced by players and limited. Archeum from chests can be obtained until whales are out of money.
But, yeah, who cares about players-controlled economy these days.
Or you can just resell CS items to make tons of gold and buy everything you need from other players, grind combat stuff fast with CS boosts till cap and pwn non-donating peasants.
15$ per month is not free.
It is just what people do. If some one gets a bad feeling when some one proves something to them, they ignore it and make up things to make them feel better.... Which is what they seem to be doing. No matter what you say, they will just say it isnt P2W, all games are P2W, so its fine.
Who says anything about free? Where did you get that from?
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Gamers are more than happy to pay $15 a month for a good game that gives them the full experience that everyone else gets. FFXI, FFXIV, WoW, SWTOR and EvE are proof that you can run a subscription game successfully.
All these games are set up for long term success and they make their companies truckloads of money.
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The problem with AA is that it is set up for a quick cash grab not for long term commitment. Trion knows that when AA finally dies in Korea and other countries, XLGames will not continue to make updates for the game which will kill it in the western market too.
So Trion did the smart thing and decided to set up the game for maximum profit in the maybe 24 Months the game has left before updates stop.
What would you do if you where Trion?
Yeah, because offering a good value at the right price won't make any money. It's better for these companies to engage in shady bait'n'switch tactics to offer a preview to a product , that people paid a lot of money for, and let people see what they want to see, then at the last minute, switch out the product to something you vaguely, in a non committal way, said that you were not going to do.
Only if that easy trion just half of it, XL game runs most of the cash shop and what they want in the game. And do 90% of the updates of the game.
I probably wouldn't have caught it in another thread, and to me this was a great video describing AA pay/LP system. The more I look into this game the more I'm leaning towards waiting on investing time into it.
Thanx OP for the info.
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