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[Column] Elder Scrolls Online: ESO as an eSport?

SBFordSBFord Former Associate EditorMember LegendaryPosts: 33,129

I believe Zenimax is testing the waters with a feature being shown only at conventions. Since E3, they’ve been demonstrating a 4v4v4 system where four players from each faction battle for ownership of a flag placed in the center of the map. This is exactly the type of small scale PvP players have been asking for, except it is lacking one key point, strategy. Whilst this is a great feature and it loads of fun, it is far from ready, at least in my eyes, and I will explain why.

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  • BattlerockBattlerock Member CommonPosts: 1,393
    Hmmm, this got me thinking, how do you think recycled toilet paper would sell? Sometimes coming up with the worst possible idea is a good way to appear to be thinking outside of the box.
  • CouganCougan Member UncommonPosts: 422

    I think Cyrodill could be a bit more complex objective wise.

    I'd like to see new resources playing a part in some way like maybe fields or something that generate a currency that upgrades the faction in some way... like new keep buildings or faction specific mounts that become unlocked by owning a area. So people would want to own different parts of the map or maybe even whole towns.

    Packing Cyrodill with features would be the best hope I would have. Maybe the emperor could even change the direction their faction moves in, technology or betetr siege weapons etc

     
  • MMOGamer71MMOGamer71 Member UncommonPosts: 1,988
    Would this be the only eSport requiring a subscription or are there others?  F2P coming up.
  • TamanousTamanous Member RarePosts: 3,030
    Originally posted by MMOGamer71
    Would this be the only eSport requiring a subscription or are there others?  F2P coming up.

    What exactly are you talking about? I am not seeing where this would be an entirely new game. It will simply be added to ESO.

     

    Does Wow have arenas? Is Wow f2p? ESO is already using mega-servers and has more than enough players to pull from for arena queue'ing within their sub model.

     

    ZoS hopefully uses lore as they foundation for arena style combat. Objectives should be based on lore friendly objectives and story. WAR and Swtor have warzones with objectives and were/are often fun. I have always hated traditional arena because of how boring it is. They have no objectives other than killing each other. ZoS can easily add more objective based combat but the interesting twist is 3 factions going at it. Sadly it would be nothing more than 3 small zerg balls going at it with the current state of the game. They must fix this or 3 team arena style game play is doomed from the start.

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  • Nickhead420Nickhead420 Member UncommonPosts: 251
    Originally posted by MMOGamer71
    Would this be the only eSport requiring a subscription or are there others?  F2P coming up.

    WoW seems to be the only game in the top 50 that requires a sub, but it's in there and fairly close to the top as far as player earnings go.  http://www.esportsearnings.com/games

  • daemondaemon Member UncommonPosts: 680
    not popular enough to get there i think
  • KanesterKanester Member UncommonPosts: 375

    Hummmm what to do with a failing pvp game? Got it! Chuck a flag in the middle of a map!

    Christ, what a pathetic and lacklustre game type.

  • ShadanwolfShadanwolf Member UncommonPosts: 2,392

    Personally

    less than zero interest

     

    they need to fix continuing bugs..... features  that apply to more than a small  group of players

  • Originally posted by Kanester

    Hummmm what to do with a failing pvp game? Got it! Chuck a flag in the middle of a map!

    Christ, what a pathetic and lacklustre game type.

    What proof do you have that the game is failing?

     

    Most people who actually play it are content.

     

    You obviously dont play, you just want to bring it down man. Dont be a hater maan.

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  • Originally posted by Shadanwolf

    Personally

    less than zero interest

     

    they need to fix continuing bugs..... features  that apply to more than a small  group of players

     

    Bugs are being fixed and update 4 should help out with groups.

     

    But yeah there are still some bugs, just they are small and kinda obsolete (screw grammer.)

  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,843

    Awesome read. At this point, I'm all for 4v4v4 arena. One HUGE thing though /classes are not ready atm. Too many bugs and too many balancing issues. This is coming from a guy who always said balance is a myth.  

     

    Maybe 6 months from now when all the kinks are worked out. There are so many moving pieces (literally) in ESO. It would be a daunting task.

  • Ides385Ides385 Member UncommonPosts: 82

    Yeah I could see 4 DK's ruling this. I like the idea but classes need some more balance before you put them in a highly competitive PVP. The open world at least lets sorcs use their escapability and NBs use their stealth. In this type of small scale territory competition DKs are the only that can really hold ground.

  • rodingorodingo Member RarePosts: 2,870
    It sounds interesting on paper.  I didn't notice there being any type of reward for doing this particular BG/Arena, though maybe I missed it?  Or is that something that is also in development?  On a side note;  I'm still waiting for their crime and punishment with the Thieves' Guild and Dark Brotherhood to tempt me to come back.  A 4v4v4 BG/Arena is not even close enough and this is coming from a pvp'er.

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  • KankanKankan Member UncommonPosts: 55
    I like some of the ideas laid out, I don't really care for arena pvp like they are played out in WoW. The idea of a three faction; three teams going at it with some strategy thrown in would appeal to me enough that I would find my self wanting to join in this type of arena pvp.

  • Slapshot1188Slapshot1188 Member LegendaryPosts: 17,653
    E-Sport in an RPG is a failure on so many levels...

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  • observerobserver Member RarePosts: 3,685
    This is getting ridiculous now.  First, GW2 tried, now ESO?  
  • stevebombsquadstevebombsquad Member UncommonPosts: 884
    Originally posted by observer
    This is getting ridiculous now.  First, GW2 tried, now ESO?  

    Yeah... though I don't think it could fail any harder than GW2 did at it......

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  • NildenNilden Member EpicPosts: 3,916
    /laughsnort

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  • syltmackasyltmacka Member UncommonPosts: 404
    just stop eso. go b2p or f2p or die.
  • SiugSiug Member UncommonPosts: 1,257
    What about ESO as an ES game instead?
  • PaskePaske Member UncommonPosts: 135

    I enjoy Cyrodill too much to squeel for arenas in ESO.

     

    Esport in Starcraft enviorment sure, in an MMO, no spank you.

    Its nice as a side show gimmick, but thats about it.

     

    Albait we will get something simular on a much grander scale come Imperial city.

  • JoeyjojoshabaduJoeyjojoshabadu Member UncommonPosts: 162

    This isn't particularly a good sign. Smacks a bit of desperation, actually. I think ESO fans have some rather nasty shocks coming in the early-mid future (few others would be shocked, though they would too if they only hung round the somewhat delusional echo chambers that are reddit/ESO forums).

     

  • odiasudaodiasuda Member UncommonPosts: 162
    eSport in a game with huge, glaring balance issues - sounds solid.
  • PurutzilPurutzil Member UncommonPosts: 3,048

    Well 4v4v4 is far from "Esport" material. There is a reason why you don't see tornaments were its Free for all, its very hard to compete fairly. Fun with friends but a terrible way to complete for 'who is best'. 

     

    Neglecting the fact of how ESO plays (which I think is a huge hamper in its Esports potential), the fact a company might want to push an Esport is likely dooming them to fail. Its something that is hard to ever get working. Most games that have it focusing at it tend to be sequals to other games (SC2, CS:GO, Dota 2, Ect.) Its very difficulty for a game to just 'push' itself on the Esports scene, particularly if its not created for such. 

  • newerarnewerar Member Posts: 5
    Those are just speculations people. Having an arena at Quakecon it was just to show pvp sample in controled environment without geting many people like in Cyrodiil. They may implement arena in upcoming Imperial City but I dont think it will ever be in moba like map ( mobas everywhere srsly) and it wont be objective based, more likley killing based. Having an arena doesnt mean that they going for an E-sport at all. Guild Wars 2 proved that you can not say " hey people we made an e-sport, see? play it, is e-sport game!". First of all you make good game that people like to watch and understand and yet it is still complex and robust. Eso is not fun to watch because of its poor animations but yet it have more clear combat visuals than GW2 (im looking at you gw2 petting zoo and cluster f*** of spell effects).  As for Eso arena it may be just free for all pvp (like gladiators) or 4v4v4 team based for kills not for objectives. They will implement it just for lore  and fun not  that they going for e-sport.  http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_City,_Arena_District
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