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Archeage: Let me recap.

kakkolakakkola Member Posts: 8
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The game is really nice but has it's flaws, although there are many flaws you can enjoy it a lot better with Patron status since the F2P model is totally useless for the innovations the game has to offer, you will only lose time.

So here is the recap:
  • The Founders got Fooled at headstart (I guess they should change their title into that)
  • Graphics are nice but somewhat outdated and the environment feels lonely plus there isn't any great artwork like other games have to offer
  • The quest system is really repeating and boring
  • To the previous point it adds the clunky combat which makes everything more boring (you can always wait 10-20+ hours for your trees to grow, yeah you can do other activities like crafting or build something like a boat - no ehm you need the mats doh!)
  • F2P is totally useless, you can build or grow anything without Patron otherwise someone will almost surely steal it from you, unless you are a boosted level 50, but you must get to that level :]
  • Although there are really some nice people the community is Mediocre and to that you must add the constant flow of spammers (oh no I don't mean 1 line every 5s it's 100+ lines in less than 1s because they are using some bots), that the GMs are putting so much efforts into improving the automated banning system while they could just put restrictions for global/area chats to lower level players
 
So if you are a F2P player don't play it now unless you are a proud grinder and if you are a willing subber just hold on tight to your chair :]
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  • QstoshQstosh Member UncommonPosts: 2

    Totally agree, do not play it any more fo the same reasons.

    SHAME !

  • SmoeySmoey Member UncommonPosts: 601
    The problem is that with the current F2P model people, like myself, will try it and ultimately get put off before we would decide to invest any money in it.

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  • DocBrodyDocBrody Member UncommonPosts: 1,926

    I still wait to try it when the dust settles, maybe when some new servers go online.

    From what I've seen game looks great

  • GolelornGolelorn Member RarePosts: 1,395
    In the end its just a very boring game.
  • JabasJabas Member UncommonPosts: 1,249
    Originally posted by kakkola

    The game is really nice but has it's flaws, although there are many flaws you can enjoy it a lot better with Patron status since the F2P model is totally useless for the innovations the game has to offer, you will only lose time.

    So here is the recap:
    • The Founders got Fooled at headstart (I guess they should change their title into that)
    Why? Noone whos fooled, everyone get what the packs offer.
    • Graphics are nice but somewhat outdated and the environment feels lonely plus there isn't any great artwork like other games have to offer
    Extreme subjective. Graphics are really nice, nothing wrong with artwork and the world looks alive to my eyes, the sea is just amazing envoriment.
    • The quest system is really repeating and boring
    • To the previous point it adds the clunky combat which makes everything more boring (you can always wait 10-20+ hours for your trees to grow, yeah you can do other activities like crafting or build something like a boat - no ehm you need the mats doh!)
    Only TSW and SWTOR have nice quests/missions. Its just the standart quest like other games, devs just change "skins" and some change the ! and ? for other symbols.
    • F2P is totally useless, you can build or grow anything without Patron otherwise someone will almost surely steal it from you, unless you are a boosted level 50, but you must get to that level :]
    2 friends start as F2P, now they are Patrons without spend real money so not that useless.
    • Although there are really some nice people the community is Mediocre and to that you must add the constant flow of spammers (oh no I don't mean 1 line every 5s it's 100+ lines in less than 1s because they are using some bots), that the GMs are putting so much efforts into improving the automated banning system while they could just put restrictions for global/area chats to lower level players
     
    So if you are a F2P player don't play it now unless you are a proud grinder and if you are a willing subber just hold on tight to your chair :]

    ArcheAge is facing real problems with bots/hackers atm, im still playing and waiting for better days because the game is amazing and the best in market atm.

  • sumdumguy1sumdumguy1 Member RarePosts: 1,373
    Originally posted by Jabas
    because the game is amazing and the best in market atm.

    Extreme subjective.  Personal opinion not shared by many  others. 

  • JabasJabas Member UncommonPosts: 1,249
    Originally posted by sumdumguy1
    Originally posted by Jabas
    because the game is amazing and the best in market atm.

    Extreme subjective.  Personal opinion not shared by many  others. 

    Yeah, forgot to add "imo", my bad.

    But i thing my opinons are facts imo  image

  • Elevenb4Elevenb4 Member UncommonPosts: 362

    I never got a chance to play. My wife and I thought we would try it out at launch. We both subbed to get the most out of the experience. Que's sucked for sure, but once we got in game we were having a good time. Combat was clunky, for sure, quests were retarded, but we were in it for the exploration and sandboxy-ness of it. We got 2 good days of playing. 

    Then we go to log in one day, it's starts patching, but it would never finish patching. It would get stuck. Before anyone starts asking me if we tried 'x' to fix it, we tried everything. We went to the support page and did all that crap that is listed there, talked to people in the tech forums for 3 days trying different suggestions they gave us, talked to tech support over the phone, etc. I couldn't patch either of our pc's. I even dug out our old laptop and old desktop, we coudln't get it to run the game either. 

    So, 4 pc's, we couldn't get the game running even though we had already played it for two days. Not sure what happened. I know we are in the minority, but I know 4 other people personally that the same thing happened to them. Customer service kept saying they would get back to us, they never did. 

    I'm not bashing the game. We were having fun for sure and really enjoyed the world as a whole, but we just gave up after all the stuff we did trying to get it fixed, and then customer service being horrible. It came to the point where we didn't feel like giving Trion our money. That was our experience. 

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  • Instigator-JonesInstigator-Jones Member UncommonPosts: 530
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by kakkola

     

    Founders fooled at headstart after playing Alpha for months? Huh?

    If you purchased a founders pack, waited in the Q for hours, and didn't get land, you were "fooled" into believing the headstart was anything but a cluster fuck, which there is plenty of evidence that this was indeed the case.

    Graphics are awesome for me

    Graphics are nice, but artwork is better. This, however, is subjective too.

    Quest system is mediocre, but seriously if most of your playtime involves questing - you are doing it wrong

    "doing it wrong" - huh? Then why even have it? Yet another poor decision by Devs? 

    Combat is great for me - works well in group PvP which is what I do 90% of the time

    Combat is silly and repetitive, and typical tab targeting bore fest (subjective I know).

    F2P is not totally useless - once you get some in games gold and can buy apex you can drop the sub

    F2P IS useless if you have to sub first. Apex helps, but grinding gold to get this on he open market is painfully boring. As time goes by, and more and more people choose this route, I expect the price of Apex to go up and up, making this route even more painful.

    Spam has been greatly nerfed with recent changes 

    Agree, but recent decisions to let hackers back have shown the direction the game is gearing towards.

    Also you do realize that 1-15 can't spam in global already? So your suggestion is already implemented.

    stop gap measure that will be surpassed for sure. Bot to 15, and spam away.

     

    It's a pretty, bore of a game that honestly isn't worth the grind time nor the sub, IMO.

  • JDis25JDis25 Member RarePosts: 1,353
    Originally posted by Instigator-Jones
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by kakkola

     

    Founders fooled at headstart after playing Alpha for months? Huh?

    If you purchased a founders pack, waited in the Q for hours, and didn't get land, you were "fooled" into believing the headstart was anything but a cluster fuck, which there is plenty of evidence that this was indeed the case.

    Graphics are awesome for me

    Graphics are nice, but artwork is better. This, however, is subjective too.

    Quest system is mediocre, but seriously if most of your playtime involves questing - you are doing it wrong

    "doing it wrong" - huh? Then why even have it? Yet another poor decision by Devs? 

    Combat is great for me - works well in group PvP which is what I do 90% of the time

    Combat is silly and repetitive, and typical tab targeting bore fest (subjective I know).

    F2P is not totally useless - once you get some in games gold and can buy apex you can drop the sub

    F2P IS useless if you have to sub first. Apex helps, but grinding gold to get this on he open market is painfully boring. As time goes by, and more and more people choose this route, I expect the price of Apex to go up and up, making this route even more painful.

    Spam has been greatly nerfed with recent changes 

    Agree, but recent decisions to let hackers back have shown the direction the game is gearing towards.

    Also you do realize that 1-15 can't spam in global already? So your suggestion is already implemented.

    stop gap measure that will be surpassed for sure. Bot to 15, and spam away.

     

    It's a pretty, bore of a game that honestly isn't worth the grind time nor the sub, IMO.

    Grind time? Just by playing casually I hit 50 in about 3 weeks and now I play even less and am still able to keep my crafts progressing a good rate. I guess you could say Hasla is a grind, or that chaining quests is a grind. but none of that is absolutely required.

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  • asdarasdar Member UncommonPosts: 662

    Sadly it's one of the better games out there. I like the graphics, but the rest of what the OP says I agree with.

    Asdar

  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342

    Originally posted by JDis25

    I guess you could say Hasla is a grind, or that chaining quests is a grind. but none of that is absolutely required.

    If you do not want to PVP then sure...

  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342

    Originally posted by DMKano

    Now I'm confused.You can PvP without doing Hasla token weapons or questing.Or are you saying that PvP in Hasla is good (so if you don't go to Hasla you'll miss PvP)


    You need gear to PVP so you to grind Hasla and/or grind in some other way gold to buy Hasla weapons and the rest of the gear.

    PVP in AA is as much gear dependent as in any other themepark. And those consumables, oh boy...

  • An4thorAn4thor Member Posts: 524
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
    Originally posted by DMKano

    Founders fooled at headstart after playing Alpha for months? Huh?

    And that's the problem, man... the game in alpha was very different from release. Opening the floodgates of unlimited amounts of players ruined the game that was very fun in alpha.

     

    But how is this different from ANY release? 

    I was in Alpha - and knew without any doubt that once the game launches there's be a crapton of people.

    Was there some kind of exclusive Alpha-players only server guaranteed at any point? I don't think so.

     

    It baffles me that people in 2014 still don't know that game launches are overcrowded. Well good games at least.

  • MitaraMitara Member UncommonPosts: 755

    I am puzzled by the comments on graphics, other than it being a personal opinion of course.

    My top 3 games when it comes to graphics (not animation) would be:

     

    1. TESO

    2. TSW

    3. Archeage

     

    What other MMO's has better graphics?

  • JabasJabas Member UncommonPosts: 1,249
    Originally posted by Mitara

    I am puzzled by the comments on graphics, other than it being a personal opinion of course.

    My top 3 games when it comes to graphics (not animation) would be:

     

    1. TESO

    2. TSW

    3. Archeage

     

    What other MMO's has better graphics?

    Tera, AOC and GW2 come to my mind in terms of graphic quality

  • Peer_GyntPeer_Gynt Member UncommonPosts: 79
    Originally posted by DMKano
    Originally posted by kakkola

    The game is really nice but has it's flaws, although there are many flaws you can enjoy it a lot better with Patron status since the F2P model is totally useless for the innovations the game has to offer, you will only lose time.

    So here is the recap:
    • The Founders got Fooled at headstart (I guess they should change their title into that)
    • Graphics are nice but somewhat outdated and the environment feels lonely plus there isn't any great artwork like other games have to offer
    • The quest system is really repeating and boring
    • To the previous point it adds the clunky combat which makes everything more boring (you can always wait 10-20+ hours for your trees to grow, yeah you can do other activities like crafting or build something like a boat - no ehm you need the mats doh!)
    • F2P is totally useless, you can build or grow anything without Patron otherwise someone will almost surely steal it from you, unless you are a boosted level 50, but you must get to that level :]
    • Although there are really some nice people the community is Mediocre and to that you must add the constant flow of spammers (oh no I don't mean 1 line every 5s it's 100+ lines in less than 1s because they are using some bots), that the GMs are putting so much efforts into improving the automated banning system while they could just put restrictions for global/area chats to lower level players
     
    So if you are a F2P player don't play it now unless you are a proud grinder and if you are a willing subber just hold on tight to your chair :]

     

    Founders fooled at headstart after playing Alpha for months? Huh?

    Graphics are awesome for me

    Quest system is mediocre, but seriously if most of your playtime involves questing - you are doing it wrong

    Combat is great for me - works well in group PvP which is what I do 90% of the time

    F2P is not totally useless - once you get some in games gold and can buy apex you can drop the sub

    Spam has been greatly nerfed with recent changes 

    Also you do realize that 1-15 can't spam in global already? So your suggestion is already implemented.

     

     

    1. Personally I feel that many founders fooled  themselves. Its never been a secret that land is limited in this game and the idea that anyone who played alpha would be foolish enough to think the population wouldn't rise significantly higher at launch really should have known better. Now is Trion's fuckmuppet marketing department guilty of making statements that misrepresent just what Archeage is? I think there is certainly room for rational debate on that.
    2. Graphics are fine for me as well. I fucking love standing on top of a high peak and knowing that when I jump off with my glider that I'm going to be able to fly all the way to what I see on the horizon, and not smash my face in against some invisible server wall, like so many newer MMOs. I find it odd that people cried to the heavens that GW2 was so fucking great because of this but continually trash Archeage as having bad graphics.
    3. Quest system is mind numbing and the lore frankly sucks. I have never felt so uninterested or uninvolved in what the fuck is supposed to be going on in a game story. And "doing it wrong", let's not go there man. Quest grinding is still a fast way to level, and gives some nice gear rewards to keep you powerful enough to handle mobs at your level. It may be boring but personally I feel sitting on my ass popping XP increase potions and watching grass grow or healing sick chickens is way less entertaining. To each their own.
    4. I like the combat. My only real gripe is while there is an excellent combination of classes you can make, I feel the stingy amount of ability points we get really hold back peoples abilities to make a wide variety of builds so most of the work put into class powers goes to waste. And we all just end up with cookie cutter builds.
    5. Yep if you work hard enough you can enjoy Archeage without paying a dime. Sadly though the loudest Archage hate contingent seem to consist of instant gratification gamers who think they should have the entire game conquered first month in.
    6. Spam has been nerfed, however it still exists and gold spammers are just bot leveling toons to 15th by parking them next to mining nodes, so even squelching chat until 15th doesn't do that much. I mean grats to XL/Trion for at least slowing them the fuck down, but I have to ask. After seeing gold spam bots rampage through GW2, FF XIV, ESO, and Wildstar, how the living fuck were they not more prepared for this at launch?

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  • PrayrPrayr Member UncommonPosts: 267

    Has anyone ever got off the roads and just went wondering around looking for something to do??

     

    NOTHING to be found.... no mobs out there, very little trees, hardly any plants, lack of ore, just empty game space being used for NOTHING .... the lack of finish to the game is just astonishing to me. I rode the other day for almost 2 hours avoiding any  roads looking for .... well looking for anything really... there is so much empty space being used for NOTHING! I feel the game was rushed to NA, it's unfinished, incomplete, and is nothing more than a RL money sink for Trion due to its recent failing RIFT game. Once the free 90 day patron players loose their patron status you will see a mass exodus from this game and the servers merge in less than six months.

     

    I keep seeing everyone saying that this is the best "sandbox(y)" game atm... well those players have no clue what sandbox games are imo, this is as much a sandbox game as LoTR, fix housing, fixed housing areas, quest path that is already set out in the progression line you are intended to take, as well as an everlasting grind. 

     

    At the moment... love it when I read that, its almost like saying "well its the only thing there is to play right now so I am just going to call it a sandbox game so I can make myself play it"

     

    To the OPs comments, I could not agree more!!! I have a trailblazer pass with over 60 days of patron time left and I have walked away from the... it sucks!! Trion has gotten my very last dollar ever with this cluster of a game. Recently the CM stated when asked about the bots and the housing issues... "the game mechanics are working as intended"... any dev team that supports bots and scripting is the wrong team to support in my opinion.

     

    See you all soon in https://www.therepopulation.com/

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  • JabasJabas Member UncommonPosts: 1,249
    Originally posted by Tredo

     

    ... any dev team that supports bots and scripting is the wrong team to support in my opinion.

     

    See you all soon in https://www.therepopulation.com/

    Your opinion about AA is so valid like any others but you dont need to write false statments just to promote some game project.

  • MitaraMitara Member UncommonPosts: 755
    Originally posted by Jabas
    Originally posted by Mitara

    I am puzzled by the comments on graphics, other than it being a personal opinion of course.

    My top 3 games when it comes to graphics (not animation) would be:

     

    1. TESO

    2. TSW

    3. Archeage

     

    What other MMO's has better graphics?

    Tera, AOC and GW2 come to my mind in terms of graphic quality

    Tera, AOC and GW2, you seriously tell me they have better graphics?????

    I must clearly have played another version than you.

  • Spankster77Spankster77 Member UncommonPosts: 487

    I have such mixed feelings on this game. 

     

    Things I like about the game:

     

    1.  Class system is awesome, once you learn how to actually pair up combos and what not.

    2.  Naval warfare.

    3.  Freedom to play the game how you wish.

    4.  Graphics

     

    Things I dislike:

     

    1.  No land to be found.  I am a patron and I can't even find a spot for my small farm at the moment.

    2.  If you are not into grinding there is little to do at 50 besides PvP which you will not succeed at unless you grind.

    3.  You need to wear cloth to succeed at PvP.  I have a 50 Abolisher that is level 50 in full Hasla + quest plate gear and I get wrecked in PvP.  I am in the process of rolling a Defiler in cloth plus shield and scepter and he is so much more tanky.   They should really fix this as I have no idea why anyone would rock melee and plate :-(

    4.  The mass PvP feels too zergish. 

     

    All and all I think the game is solid and combat is fun.  I just don't know if I will have it in me to farm and craft which are fairly important if you want to succeed in the game.

     

     

  • fivorothfivoroth Member UncommonPosts: 3,916
    Originally posted by Mitara

    I am puzzled by the comments on graphics, other than it being a personal opinion of course.

    My top 3 games when it comes to graphics (not animation) would be:

     

    1. TESO

    2. TSW

    3. Archeage

     

    What other MMO's has better graphics?

    I moved from TESO to AA and the difference is huge. AA looks ugly in comparison. TESO and FFXIV have much better graphics. AA struck me as a game with average graphics which are certainly not impressive. 

    But yeah:

    TESO

    TSW

    FFXIV

    GW2

    Tera

    And the above games have significantly better graphics than AA. After playing things like TESO or FFXIV, this game looks meh.

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  • EcocesEcoces Member UncommonPosts: 879

    the only reason I play Archeage is because there is nothing else out there. the game is not that good though

     

    the quests sucks

    the class system = 90% of the classes are bad

    the combat system is date feels like im playing Dark Age of Camelot again

    the graphics are mediocre at best

     

  • grimalgrimal Member UncommonPosts: 2,935
    I  admit I started playing last night with a workaround I'm using and the game isn't as bad as I had expected.  The graphics seem a bit dated and indie (War Z - level) and there's some neat stuff to do.  The questing is rough though and keeping my playtime to 15-45 mins at a time.
  • Peer_GyntPeer_Gynt Member UncommonPosts: 79
    Originally posted by grimal
    I  admit I started playing last night with a workaround I'm using and the game isn't as bad as I had expected.  The graphics seem a bit dated and indie (War Z - level) and there's some neat stuff to do.  The questing is rough though and keeping my playtime to 15-45 mins at a time.


    Ah cool, how did you get around the network my documents folder issue?

    And yes the questing is mind numbing, but persevere as you get decent gear rewards so don't need to invest time in crafting or coin in having another player kit you out. I would also recommend that if you find a mob spawn you don't have a quest for, to go kill some anyway as most will give you a hidden quest reward for killing a certain about of them.

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