Raid content coming to Guild Wars 2?

Avarix

Seems they are hiring for it. Here is the article.

 

http://www.pcgamer.com/arenanet-hiring-designer-for-guild-wars-2-raid-content/

Dakeru

I hope not - NC should have learned a lesson from what is going on with Wildstar atm.

 

Making a fun kind of raid is hard. The only really fun raid I remember on GW2 was the marionette fight, where 100+ people would be separated into small groups and every group had to win their arena fight or it would be lost for everyone.

 

Massive AoE spam is not fun.

Archlyte

It's a theme park game, why not have raids? Anyone still playing is accustomed to the Theme Parks accouterments, might as well give them a reason to have large guilds and content they can do together.  

TiamatRoar

Originally posted by Dakeru

I hope not - NC should have learned a lesson from what is going on with Wildstar atm.

 

Making a fun kind of raid is hard. The only really fun raid I remember on GW2 was the marionette fight, where 100+ people would be separated into small groups and every group had to win their arena fight or it would be lost for everyone.

 

Massive AoE spam is not fun.

That's a fun raid?  I find the idea of a raid where you yourself could do everything perfectly and still lose the raid because 5 guys out of 100 in mini-arena you can't even see that's far away from you lost their own battle to be a moronic concept.

Loke666

Originally posted by Avarix

Seems they are hiring for it. Here is the article.

http://www.pcgamer.com/arenanet-hiring-designer-for-guild-wars-2-raid-content/

The article do say that it is hard massive encounters, raids is just a guess. Might as well be living story, open world bosses for an expansion or a new type of guildmissions.

I hope they wont add actual raids to the game, nothing against raids but other games already do them well while GW2 have been doing it's own thing with massive scaling open world bosses. I rather have them put more work into them instead.

AzurePrower

Probably another Tequatl debacle.

Loke666

Originally posted by TiamatRoar

Originally posted by Dakeru

I hope not - NC should have learned a lesson from what is going on with Wildstar atm.

Making a fun kind of raid is hard. The only really fun raid I remember on GW2 was the marionette fight, where 100+ people would be separated into small groups and every group had to win their arena fight or it would be lost for everyone.

Massive AoE spam is not fun.

That's a fun raid?  I find the idea of a raid where you yourself could do everything perfectly and still lose the raid because 5 guys out of 100 in mini-arena you can't even see that's far away from you lost their own battle to be a moronic concept.

It could been handled better, yes. And stuff like that would have been more fun if you could do them with your guild instead with random strangers. Strangers work well for easier content but hard massive stuff takes a lot of co-ordination.

MrMelGibson

 I honestly think they have finally listened to their fans and are hiring for the upcoming expansion. Arena.net is probably starting to work on it now or starting very soon.  A large feature like this just sceams expansion to me personally. 

 

 GW2 Raids might not be of the traditional flavor.  Might just be world bosses that maybe guilds can do themselves?  Loki explained it better already.  

DeniZg

I like the fact that Anet is hiring people and that maybe there will be new content similar to raids. But, I think they should have done that at least a year ago. 

Bladestrom

Very cool, raids in gw2 are likely to be similar in feel to those in GW1 (I hope) 10 man, no rowen meters or gear scores - its amazing how more relaxed and fun even difficult encounters are without those metrics to fuel obnoxious behaviour.

Dakeru

Originally posted by TiamatRoar

That's a fun raid?  I find the idea of a raid where you yourself could do everything perfectly and still lose the raid because 5 guys out of 100 in mini-arena you can't even see that's far away from you lost their own battle to be a moronic concept.

Yes it was fun, 5 arenas with 5 people each and those that finished their fights would cheer on the other arenas next to them or slightly manipulate the fight with attacks that would go through walls or use aoe revive skills.

But surely you consider a 40 man raid where one player isn't paying attention and gets the raid killed with unneccessary agro to be much different and more fun?

Originally posted by Loke666

It could been handled better, yes. And stuff like that would have been more fun if you could do them with your guild instead with random strangers. Strangers work well for easier content but hard massive stuff takes a lot of co-ordination.

I know what you are saying but even previously hard fights like tequatl will be learned at some point and easily done with pugs.

Also nothing really keeps a 100+ people guild from using the taxi and claim a whole map for themselves.

 

Bladestrom

One of the most satisfying victories in 5 mans at the moment are when there's only 1 left, but due to skill they manage to survive long enroufh to rez a player then you gradually get back up to full strength - I predict epic recoveries in 10 man

Loke666

Originally posted by Dakeru?

Originally posted by Loke666

It could been handled better, yes. And stuff like that would have been more fun if you could do them with your guild instead with random strangers. Strangers work well for easier content but hard massive stuff takes a lot of co-ordination.

I know what you are saying but even previously hard fights like tequatl will be learned at some point and easily done with pugs.

Also nothing really keeps a 100+ people guild from using the taxi and claim a whole map for themselves.

In Tequatl it been far too common that everything start well and coordinated but then the guys at the canons gets knocked down and some noob takes over without realizing what needs to be done and failing the whole thing.90% of the players can play really good and you still fail then.

Having hard things is cool but here a few players can mess it up for everyone and that is a problem with public events. When the majority of the players are good you should win. There will always be some people who havn't learned a thing.

True, but the game could actually have a mechanic for that, it would be easy to put in.

 

eye_m

The absolute best RAID or RAID type experience I've had was "The Deep" in GW1.   I wish that level of experience was available in GW2.

Kenaoshi

I bet my fractal rings its more Open World/Living Story content.

Anet neglected the dungeon scene for 2 years and will continue to do so.

Ludwik

The whole point of raiding is for people to have designated roles and execute those roles in conjunction with others.

 

When there are no roles in your game, what's the point of raiding? It's going to be massive free-for-all snoozefest where a couple of griefers will cause all the others to fail as well, kind of like their 'raids' now.

Bladestrom

When you say roles you mean a tank with a constant stream of overhealing and a screen full of stacked progress bars instructing the mass of dps when to jumP left and when to jump right. Nah, times have moved on, we expect more than tote memorisations of patters like automatons these days ms thinks.

Snoozefwst indeed, progress bars and popup warnings are for child warriors who glint in the light with their overly shiny shoulder pads.

CallsignVega

Originally posted by Bladestrom
When you say roles you mean a tank with a constant stream of overhealing and a screen full of stacked progress bars instructing the mass of dps when to jumP left and when to jump right. Nah, times have moved on, we expect more than tote memorisations of patters like automatons these days ms thinks.

Snoozefwst indeed, progress bars and popup warnings are for child warriors who glint in the light with their overly shiny shoulder pads.

lol get a clue. Time have moved on? You mean simplified, dumbed-down and made incredibly boring. In GW2 everyone does exactly the same, spam all of their abilities in a zerg fest. Hardly engaging.

 

GW2 is a complete trivial snore-fest. Last good raiding game was EQ1. 

dreamscaper

There's already raids in the game, it's just the freeform open-world variety, rather than the heavily scripted, instanced crap you find in other games. Hopefully they don't go down that route.

Edli

Originally posted by Bladestrom
Nah, times have moved on

Really? To what exactly? Is it mindless button smashing on fights with no clear strategy and mechanisms? Doesn't look like those games are hugely popular to me.

stevebombsquad

Originally posted by Bladestrom
When you say roles you mean a tank with a constant stream of overhealing and a screen full of stacked progress bars instructing the mass of dps when to jumP left and when to jump right. Nah, times have moved on, we expect more than tote memorisations of patters like automatons these days ms thinks.

Snoozefwst indeed, progress bars and popup warnings are for child warriors who glint in the light with their overly shiny shoulder pads.

Spoken like a person who had never done progression raiding..... Sour grapes much... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fox_and_the_Grapes

Bladestrom

Shush child I spent 3 years raiding 4-4'5 night a week in a top 3 guild in silvermoon. my main had 10k under his belt several WOL top 10,s all classes. I quit raiding years ago because it was done, cooked, same old same old. You on the other hand still get all defensive about shiny shoulder pads in 2014. It's easy to throw insults and avoid facts isn't it.

MMOExposed

Originally posted by Bladestrom
Very cool, raids in gw2 are likely to be similar in feel to those in GW1 (I hope) 10 man, no rowen meters or gear scores - its amazing how more relaxed and fun even difficult encounters are without those metrics to fuel obnoxious behaviour.

But the game still has no trinity. So PvE would still be zergy

Purutzil

Um... do they realize their combat is horrible for Raids? They backed themselves in a bad place in terms of PvE content... unless they are just going for LFR levels of stupid in order to do GW2 raids. 

stevebombsquad

Originally posted by Bladestrom
Shush child I spent 3 years raiding 4-4'5 night a week in a top 3 guild in silvermoon. my main had 10k under his belt several WOL top 10,s all classes. I quit raiding years ago because it was done, cooked, same old same old. You on the other hand still get all defensive about shiny shoulder pads in 2014. It's easy to throw insults and avoid facts isn't it.

I can make up stuff on the internet too..... 

stevebombsquad

Originally posted by Sukiyaki

Originally posted by stevebombsquad

Originally posted by Bladestrom
Shush child I spent 3 years raiding 4-4'5 night a week in a top 3 guild in silvermoon. my main had 10k under his belt several WOL top 10,s all classes. I quit raiding years ago because it was done, cooked, same old same old. You on the other hand still get all defensive about shiny shoulder pads in 2014. It's easy to throw insults and avoid facts isn't it.

I can make up stuff on the internet too..... 

Like claiming anyone who wouldn't know better about some WoW fanboys grand delusions,  just has no clue and never participated in progression raiding?

 

I could claim the fact you hold progression raiding that high and mentally demanding, just means you are a dishonest fanboy or  suck very hard and/or you clearly never spent time in progression raiding yourself and wouldn't know what it takes.

Sure you could, but you and I both know differently.