Same posts/rants every game on these forums. On these boards, the first three months AT LEAST of any new MMO is posts like the OPs. As someone else said, if you're looking for problems you'll find problems.
I'm currently enjoying the game, so I'll see y'all sometime in December.
I take it you have land. good for you, thats the commonality amongst apologists.
Just like youre entire post in a PR spin apologist letter. So theres that. Frankly "well every other game"
I call it reality - you call it spin /shrug
doesnt fly with me. Its an apologist cop out.
Again it's reality
Oh well its launch week so queues......they knew exactly how many founders packs sold, you cant tell me they had no idea this was going to happen, another apologist excuse.
Umm and they knew how many F2P players there would be .. or how many people bought founders packs LAUNCH DAY????
Yeah didn't think that through did you?
Also how fast did they add servers - you are conviniently omitting that... hmm?
You can stick your head in the dirt all you want, do me a favor, go and count every negative article posted on here about AA ,then find every positive, and tell me, really tell me who wins for the most posts.
Who wins - truth and reality win - that works for me.
The stuff that people make up - makes zero difference to me as it should to all.
Riddle me this. Which do you think wins in a post count, negative, or positive posts. Dont dance around, and try to be coy. Just answer the question.
Same posts/rants every game on these forums. On these boards, the first three months AT LEAST of any new MMO is posts like the OPs. As someone else said, if you're looking for problems you'll find problems.
I'm currently enjoying the game, so I'll see y'all sometime in December.
I take it you have land. good for you, thats the commonality amongst apologists.
So anyone who owns land or enjoys this game is an apologist?
That's some great logic you got there.....
Stop dancing and answer my question. Have there been more negative posts than positive posts about AA on MMORPG.COM?
Stop dancing and answer my question. Have there been more negative posts than positive posts about AA on MMORPG.COM?
Have there been more negative or postive posts on ANY MAJOR GAME on MMORPG.COM?
What % of playerbase for each game posts on MMORPG.COM?
Do you see how completely pointless your question is - and you keep asking it?
Stop dancing Dmkano, I didnt ask you about other games, I asked you for an honest answer. I dont care about other games, I want you to answer one freaking question, it cant be that hard.
Are there more negative posts about AA than positive ones on mmorpg.com? Just answer, thats it.
- With combat being handled client side (poor design easily exploitable),
- Bots for the western version available for public release that were being tested during closed beta (most bots dont release for a few months after the game has launched retail wise)
- Land sales being hacked by people not even at plots (apparently it's been addressed, but i doubt it will ever really get fixed)
- Shallow end game realistically unless you're part of a massive zerg guild.
and numerous other issues and problems with the game, but i mean i only been saying it for moths and got shut down every time by rabid fans so you know, hate to say i told you so but....
This game deserved to be better, at least black desert online is one amazing game to play and i cant wait for an NA release to get my mits on it after playing Korean CBT 3.
and if you think 0.5% of users are using bots, check out some forums... i've seen threads of people using 10 + accounts with a specific retail available bot and this bot has at least a few thousand users if not more by now... i mean hell, if you think bots arent out of control in this game you are sorely mistaken.
- With combat being handled client side (poor design easily exploitable),
- Bots for the western version available for public release that were being tested during closed beta (most bots dont release for a few months after the game has launched retail wise)
- Land sales being hacked by people not even at plots (apparently it's been addressed, but i doubt it will ever really get fixed)
- Shallow end game realistically unless you're part of a massive zerg guild.
and numerous other issues and problems with the game, but i mean i only been saying it for moths and got shut down every time by rabid fans so you know, hate to say i told you so but....
This game deserved to be better, at least black desert online is one amazing game to play and i cant wait for an NA release to get my mits on it after playing Korean CBT 3.
and if you think 0.5% of users are using bots, check out some forums... i've seen threads of people using 10 + accounts with a specific retail available bot and this bot has at least a few thousand users if not more by now... i mean hell, if you think bots arent out of control in this game you are sorely mistaken.
A lot of people agree with you sir, almost to a T.
Same posts/rants every game on these forums. On these boards, the first three months AT LEAST of any new MMO is posts like the OPs. As someone else said, if you're looking for problems you'll find problems.
I'm currently enjoying the game, so I'll see y'all sometime in December.
I take it you have land. good for you, thats the commonality amongst apologists.
So anyone who owns land or enjoys this game is an apologist?
That's some great logic you got there.....
Stop dancing and answer my question. Have there been more negative posts than positive posts about AA on MMORPG.COM?
Oh there has easily been more negative posts about AA than positive ones. However there has yet to be a game released in the last four years that hasn't suffered the same treatment. Is this because these games have been bad or is it just this community has become a refuge for we sour old farts that refuse to be impressed by any game that doesn't live up to our rose tinted glasses wearing MMO heyday? Or doesn't match up to our ridiculous laundry list of epic features we feel the perfect game should have?
I don't know. I'm playing the game and so far am enjoying it. To me its not the best thing since sliced bread, but it also isn't the worst thing since Hitler. I agree there are relevant complaints about the games launch and features, and there is room for rational debate on what could be improved. Sadly though it seems everybody is too polarized into love/hate camps to ever deign to listen to someone with a contrary opinion without wanting to immediately weigh in with personal insults, conspiracy theories, and toxic shit flinging, so they just jump directly to a fightin and a feudin.
this whole one sided exercise seems an immense waste of time, as neither of you are ever going to agree on a point of view.
"Franklin, what are we so scared of? You only get one shot at this life. There are no do-overs. Time wasted, is time lost. The past is a ghost. The future a dream. There is only right now. We need to forgive each other, Franklin. Forgive and keep moving forward because we're all so ridiculously imperfect. And we need to find a place we call home. A place were we know we're loved and we feel safe. I see it all so clearly now. It doesn't matter if you live in a small apartment or some big mansion on a hill. Doesn't matter if you live in a mental institution or on some sunny beach in St. Croix. It's all in your mind. Every moment of your life is what you make it. Pain. Love. Fear. Happiness. You choose to feel each of them. So choose to be happy, Franklin. Choose to be happy! Cause happiness is a state of mind."
Originally posted by Callidor A very level headed respnse Peer. my issue is with the business practices of Trion than the actual game itself.
And I can understand that. I'd be rather pissed off if I was refused a refund after such an obviously botched launch on Trion's part too.
Its just you have to keep in mind that not everyone had such a bad experience as you and some of those defending the game may actually be having a good time and can't empathize with your point of view.
Originally posted by Callidor A very level headed respnse Peer. my issue is with the business practices of Trion than the actual game itself.
And I can understand that. I'd be rather pissed off if I was refused a refund after such an obviously botched launch on Trion's part too.
Its just you have to keep in mind that not everyone had such a bad experience as you and some of those defending the game may actually be having a good time and can't empathize with your point of view.
You are absolutely right, however you cannot discount that there are certain folks out there with some sort of emotional investment in the game who refuse to think their game of choice is anything but perfect.
Originally posted by Callidor A very level headed respnse Peer. my issue is with the business practices of Trion than the actual game itself.
And I can understand that. I'd be rather pissed off if I was refused a refund after such an obviously botched launch on Trion's part too.
Its just you have to keep in mind that not everyone had such a bad experience as you and some of those defending the game may actually be having a good time and can't empathize with your point of view.
You are absolutely right, however you cannot discount that there are certain folks out there with some sort of emotional investment in the game who refuse to think their game of choice is anything but perfect.
Oh I completely agree on that. Sadly this kind of behavior is nothing new and predates not only MMOs but modern technology itself.
Same posts/rants every game on these forums. On these boards, the first three months AT LEAST of any new MMO is posts like the OPs. As someone else said, if you're looking for problems you'll find problems.
I'm currently enjoying the game, so I'll see y'all sometime in December.
I take it you have land. good for you, thats the commonality amongst apologists.
So anyone who owns land or enjoys this game is an apologist?
That's some great logic you got there.....
Stop dancing and answer my question. Have there been more negative posts than positive posts about AA on MMORPG.COM?
Well, you could try to make it easier.
[ ] There are more positive posts about ArcheAge than negative posts at MMORPG.COM.
[ ] There are more negative posts about ArcheAge than positive posts at MMORPG.COM.
But TBH, I don't think it's really necessary. The Ad-Homs have answered the question much more clearly than what was actually posted.
That said. What exactly are you getting at? That popular opinion is against the game? Honestly, It's against most games featured on this site. What's really important is the validity of the OP's claims.
Just like youre entire post in a PR spin apologist letter. So theres that. Frankly "well every other game"
I call it reality - you call it spin /shrug
doesnt fly with me. Its an apologist cop out.
Again it's reality
Oh well its launch week so queues......they knew exactly how many founders packs sold, you cant tell me they had no idea this was going to happen, another apologist excuse.
Umm and they knew how many F2P players there would be .. or how many people bought founders packs LAUNCH DAY????
Yeah didn't think that through did you?
Also how fast did they add servers - you are conviniently omitting that... hmm?
You can stick your head in the dirt all you want, do me a favor, go and count every negative article posted on here about AA ,then find every positive, and tell me, really tell me who wins for the most posts.
Who wins - truth and reality win - that works for me.
The stuff that people make up - makes zero difference to me as it should to all.
Riddle me this. Which do you think wins in a post count, negative, or positive posts. Dont dance around, and try to be coy. Just answer the question.
Show me any major MMORPG that has more positive posts in forums - people don't go to forums to say how awesome games are - they go there to complain.
And why are you here to complain about the people that complain?
I own this game - and am neither a hacker or gold seller.
Classic hack reply but then again with a the amount of bots and hacks in the game ..go figure and i find that comment to be some what elitist and flaming ..in the sense you are trying to put down others whom maybe lagging behind in their game play etc ..isnt that kind of like been a cyberbully ? i thought the US brought in anti cyberbullying laws.. AA with its land problems and the pile of others forming may not last long ..i think once the new car smell fades so will the players.
I don't think either Hackers or gold sellers are a problem.
The gold sellers are there, but only in the main faction chat. Gold only gets you so far in the game anyway. You still have to get the gear and then fight.
If you're looking for problems then I think you'll find the problems, but if you're not you won't.
Gold are all what matter in this game, where you obtain BiS thru crafts and it costs gold.
Ok it only costs mats, but all the mats, unless you have a very big strong guild to obtain it, you buy it with gold. There are simply some ingredients that are not friendly to solo players, such as Freedich mats, or even just cross continent mats. Cuz you know, assholes.
It is what most players asked for, that the BiS are from crafts, not some dummy-test bosses. But because of the crafts create the best items, it needs to be hard and limited, especially in a game with little to non-ammonization.. It's not like we're playing Mabinogi here.
havent seen any hackers so far, so not sure what you are talking about. clips?
gold sellers are rampant and typically are for EVERY mmo where they can exploit it. even with gold sellers, it doesn't destroy the game at all. archeage isnt even p2w. it is pay for sweet advantages, but the best armor is crafted and the best weapons are made from tokens you farm, so a f2p lvl 50 and a lvl 50 that paid some cash will be on the same playing field at end game and skills/class advantages (remember everything is rock, paper, scissors) are the true points that shine.
I think AA is a great game. I hope people who don't like it just move on and find another game and more players who enjoy these dynamics join and we all have fun playing what every we like rather than spening valuable time complaining about what you don't.
I have not run into any hackers or botters that I know of and with the last patch that forced spammers to level to 15 before using chat I have not seen a gold-spam message. I am also seeing a lot of "regular people" not gold farmers offering to sell their properties as guilds have started working together to use shared farms to help everyone. The games not perfect but in all honesty things are settling down and getting better pretty fast from my point of view.
"Sean (Murray) saying MP will be in the game is not remotely close to evidence that at the point of purchase people thought there was MP in the game." - SEANMCAD
I find it funny that every new MMO that comes out has gamers raging over bots, hackers and exploits and server Qs. This is common fair for a new MMO. No amount of beta testing gets a game ready for the above listed. This is things you need to fix on the fly and if you cant handle problems that ALL new MMOs face, maybe you should not play new MMOs till they have been out 6+ months.
Archeage has several major issues that I do not see being solved. Which I also think lead it to failure in the other countries.
1) The first major patch they added destroyed alot of the freedom the game had and removed alot of the sand from the sandbox. Ask anyone in alpha. It use to be way better then it is now. The patch cost the game huge amounts of the subs overseas and was more or less universally hated. The intent of the patch was good, but it was done in all wrong ways.
2) The bots and RMT are at the point of absurdity. Log in some nights and all see is constant rmt spam. They come in so quick blacklisting them almost is pointless. They will be gone for 3mins and 3-4 more appear.
3) Hacks are out of control. That anti-cheat program does more to stop legit players from playing then it does to stop people from chearing. Anyone with alittle programing experiance can get around it... and the anti-cheat program well it blocks your firewalls, internet browser, and virus scan programs. People are teleporting across the map to turn in trade packs killing the trade ecomony. People are hacking farms to place them instantly from anywhere in the world. The problem is the way the game is coded I am not sure if there is anything they can do. They need to add some server checks to auto ban people from doing the impossible though.
4) You have a game that is largly based on the player economy. It is tied into everything including PvP. And what do you do make extremly limited space so even paying customers cannot play 50% of the game. I am at a lost for words of the stupidity of this decision. A pure open world game is great... but they need to make sure they do not run out of space. Honestly for housing and farming, instances probably would of been better as much as I hate them. There is no real pvp related to housing/farms anyways.
5) Items in the cash shop that give people an advantage for buying them (Non-vanity). Mainly Labor Potions.
So the hackers and goldsellers are going to kill this game and kill it fast. If the economy gets destroyed the game is going to take a big blow. If RMT keep buying up all the land the game is screwed. If people cannot get land anywhere then the game is screwed. If there is supper inflation because RMT are pouring billions of gold into the economy it is screwed.
The world is ready for a sandbox, unfortunantly this one is being managed by the 2 very shaky mmo companys. I cannot blame too much on trion they are only publishing it. XL games owns the development and they just fail as a mainstream company, they are not addressing any of the issues in any region of the world it is released in. AA is great concept with a ton of great things in the game. But the game breaking issues are just that game breaking.
Game was having a hardtime as P2P but going f2p I think put the final nail in the coffin. The game is on a short clock to fix the major issues, or what happened in Korea and Russia will happen in the NA/EU.
Originally posted by babac Have you actually played the game ? ArcheAge is heavy gear dependant. A fully geared lvl 50 can easily kill 5 or more undergeared lvl 50s easily.
That seems a little backwards in a FFA/Full Loot Sandbox game.
it isnt "truly" ffa, and no looting...at least what i have experienced so far.
The hacks will have the same negative impact on the economy the duping exploits in ESO had.
Botting already has a negative impact on the gross profit margin of some trade routes. Adding housing hacks like this
where you can practically sit anywhere and scan for houses to deconstruct or build is ridiculous. This hack also do work in the korean 1.7 version of the game.
Originally posted by babac Have you actually played the game ? ArcheAge is heavy gear dependant. A fully geared lvl 50 can easily kill 5 or more undergeared lvl 50s easily.
That seems a little backwards in a FFA/Full Loot Sandbox game.
it isnt "truly" ffa, and no looting...at least what i have experienced so far.
It isn't truly FFA and there isn't any looting besides tradepacks (which are only carried by people doing trade runs and mostly only give gold when turned in).
A full-loot FFA PvP gear-based game would be the most self-destructing concept ever (IE, the MMO up and dying as it collapses on itself).
It is, however, still a HIGHLY competitive PvP game that is highly gear based. Which, as shown by other versions of Archeage, becomes quite self-destructing on its on.
Large imbalances caused by some people being much stronger than others (even if they earned that strength legitly) in a highly competitive environment is a recipe for disaster. As the game gets older, the strong gets stronger and the difference in power grows, until it reaches a point where the majority of the population can't compete and thus must question why bother playing anymore (and "weak people teaming up with others" won't help. My decades of experience with MMOs is that strong people attract strong people and thus most of the strongest people team up together over time). Cue the player retention issues.
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I take it you have land. good for you, thats the commonality amongst apologists.
Riddle me this. Which do you think wins in a post count, negative, or positive posts. Dont dance around, and try to be coy. Just answer the question.
Stop dancing and answer my question. Have there been more negative posts than positive posts about AA on MMORPG.COM?
Stop dancing Dmkano, I didnt ask you about other games, I asked you for an honest answer. I dont care about other games, I want you to answer one freaking question, it cant be that hard.
Are there more negative posts about AA than positive ones on mmorpg.com? Just answer, thats it.
AA is trash,
- With combat being handled client side (poor design easily exploitable),
- Bots for the western version available for public release that were being tested during closed beta (most bots dont release for a few months after the game has launched retail wise)
- Land sales being hacked by people not even at plots (apparently it's been addressed, but i doubt it will ever really get fixed)
- Shallow end game realistically unless you're part of a massive zerg guild.
and numerous other issues and problems with the game, but i mean i only been saying it for moths and got shut down every time by rabid fans so you know, hate to say i told you so but....
This game deserved to be better, at least black desert online is one amazing game to play and i cant wait for an NA release to get my mits on it after playing Korean CBT 3.
and if you think 0.5% of users are using bots, check out some forums... i've seen threads of people using 10 + accounts with a specific retail available bot and this bot has at least a few thousand users if not more by now... i mean hell, if you think bots arent out of control in this game you are sorely mistaken.
A lot of people agree with you sir, almost to a T.
Oh there has easily been more negative posts about AA than positive ones. However there has yet to be a game released in the last four years that hasn't suffered the same treatment. Is this because these games have been bad or is it just this community has become a refuge for we sour old farts that refuse to be impressed by any game that doesn't live up to our rose tinted glasses wearing MMO heyday? Or doesn't match up to our ridiculous laundry list of epic features we feel the perfect game should have?
I don't know. I'm playing the game and so far am enjoying it. To me its not the best thing since sliced bread, but it also isn't the worst thing since Hitler. I agree there are relevant complaints about the games launch and features, and there is room for rational debate on what could be improved. Sadly though it seems everybody is too polarized into love/hate camps to ever deign to listen to someone with a contrary opinion without wanting to immediately weigh in with personal insults, conspiracy theories, and toxic shit flinging, so they just jump directly to a fightin and a feudin.
this whole one sided exercise seems an immense waste of time, as neither of you are ever going to agree on a point of view.
"Franklin, what are we so scared of? You only get one shot at this life. There are no do-overs. Time wasted, is time lost. The past is a ghost. The future a dream. There is only right now. We need to forgive each other, Franklin. Forgive and keep moving forward because we're all so ridiculously imperfect. And we need to find a place we call home. A place were we know we're loved and we feel safe. I see it all so clearly now. It doesn't matter if you live in a small apartment or some big mansion on a hill. Doesn't matter if you live in a mental institution or on some sunny beach in St. Croix. It's all in your mind. Every moment of your life is what you make it. Pain. Love. Fear. Happiness. You choose to feel each of them. So choose to be happy, Franklin. Choose to be happy! Cause happiness is a state of mind."
And I can understand that. I'd be rather pissed off if I was refused a refund after such an obviously botched launch on Trion's part too.
Its just you have to keep in mind that not everyone had such a bad experience as you and some of those defending the game may actually be having a good time and can't empathize with your point of view.
You are absolutely right, however you cannot discount that there are certain folks out there with some sort of emotional investment in the game who refuse to think their game of choice is anything but perfect.
Oh I completely agree on that. Sadly this kind of behavior is nothing new and predates not only MMOs but modern technology itself.
Well, you could try to make it easier.
[ ] There are more positive posts about ArcheAge than negative posts at MMORPG.COM.
[ ] There are more negative posts about ArcheAge than positive posts at MMORPG.COM.
But TBH, I don't think it's really necessary. The Ad-Homs have answered the question much more clearly than what was actually posted.
That said. What exactly are you getting at? That popular opinion is against the game? Honestly, It's against most games featured on this site. What's really important is the validity of the OP's claims.
And why are you here to complain about the people that complain?
Classic hack reply but then again with a the amount of bots and hacks in the game ..go figure and i find that comment to be some what elitist and flaming ..in the sense you are trying to put down others whom maybe lagging behind in their game play etc ..isnt that kind of like been a cyberbully ? i thought the US brought in anti cyberbullying laws.. AA with its land problems and the pile of others forming may not last long ..i think once the new car smell fades so will the players.
Gold are all what matter in this game, where you obtain BiS thru crafts and it costs gold.
Ok it only costs mats, but all the mats, unless you have a very big strong guild to obtain it, you buy it with gold. There are simply some ingredients that are not friendly to solo players, such as Freedich mats, or even just cross continent mats. Cuz you know, assholes.
It is what most players asked for, that the BiS are from crafts, not some dummy-test bosses. But because of the crafts create the best items, it needs to be hard and limited, especially in a game with little to non-ammonization.. It's not like we're playing Mabinogi here.
havent seen any hackers so far, so not sure what you are talking about. clips?
gold sellers are rampant and typically are for EVERY mmo where they can exploit it. even with gold sellers, it doesn't destroy the game at all. archeage isnt even p2w. it is pay for sweet advantages, but the best armor is crafted and the best weapons are made from tokens you farm, so a f2p lvl 50 and a lvl 50 that paid some cash will be on the same playing field at end game and skills/class advantages (remember everything is rock, paper, scissors) are the true points that shine.
I think AA is a great game. I hope people who don't like it just move on and find another game and more players who enjoy these dynamics join and we all have fun playing what every we like rather than spening valuable time complaining about what you don't.
Archeage has several major issues that I do not see being solved. Which I also think lead it to failure in the other countries.
1) The first major patch they added destroyed alot of the freedom the game had and removed alot of the sand from the sandbox. Ask anyone in alpha. It use to be way better then it is now. The patch cost the game huge amounts of the subs overseas and was more or less universally hated. The intent of the patch was good, but it was done in all wrong ways.
2) The bots and RMT are at the point of absurdity. Log in some nights and all see is constant rmt spam. They come in so quick blacklisting them almost is pointless. They will be gone for 3mins and 3-4 more appear.
3) Hacks are out of control. That anti-cheat program does more to stop legit players from playing then it does to stop people from chearing. Anyone with alittle programing experiance can get around it... and the anti-cheat program well it blocks your firewalls, internet browser, and virus scan programs. People are teleporting across the map to turn in trade packs killing the trade ecomony. People are hacking farms to place them instantly from anywhere in the world. The problem is the way the game is coded I am not sure if there is anything they can do. They need to add some server checks to auto ban people from doing the impossible though.
4) You have a game that is largly based on the player economy. It is tied into everything including PvP. And what do you do make extremly limited space so even paying customers cannot play 50% of the game. I am at a lost for words of the stupidity of this decision. A pure open world game is great... but they need to make sure they do not run out of space. Honestly for housing and farming, instances probably would of been better as much as I hate them. There is no real pvp related to housing/farms anyways.
5) Items in the cash shop that give people an advantage for buying them (Non-vanity). Mainly Labor Potions.
So the hackers and goldsellers are going to kill this game and kill it fast. If the economy gets destroyed the game is going to take a big blow. If RMT keep buying up all the land the game is screwed. If people cannot get land anywhere then the game is screwed. If there is supper inflation because RMT are pouring billions of gold into the economy it is screwed.
The world is ready for a sandbox, unfortunantly this one is being managed by the 2 very shaky mmo companys. I cannot blame too much on trion they are only publishing it. XL games owns the development and they just fail as a mainstream company, they are not addressing any of the issues in any region of the world it is released in. AA is great concept with a ton of great things in the game. But the game breaking issues are just that game breaking.
Game was having a hardtime as P2P but going f2p I think put the final nail in the coffin. The game is on a short clock to fix the major issues, or what happened in Korea and Russia will happen in the NA/EU.
it isnt "truly" ffa, and no looting...at least what i have experienced so far.
The hacks will have the same negative impact on the economy the duping exploits in ESO had.
Botting already has a negative impact on the gross profit margin of some trade routes. Adding housing hacks like this
where you can practically sit anywhere and scan for houses to deconstruct or build is ridiculous. This hack also do work in the korean 1.7 version of the game.
It isn't truly FFA and there isn't any looting besides tradepacks (which are only carried by people doing trade runs and mostly only give gold when turned in).
A full-loot FFA PvP gear-based game would be the most self-destructing concept ever (IE, the MMO up and dying as it collapses on itself).
It is, however, still a HIGHLY competitive PvP game that is highly gear based. Which, as shown by other versions of Archeage, becomes quite self-destructing on its on.
Large imbalances caused by some people being much stronger than others (even if they earned that strength legitly) in a highly competitive environment is a recipe for disaster. As the game gets older, the strong gets stronger and the difference in power grows, until it reaches a point where the majority of the population can't compete and thus must question why bother playing anymore (and "weak people teaming up with others" won't help. My decades of experience with MMOs is that strong people attract strong people and thus most of the strongest people team up together over time). Cue the player retention issues.