Yep, "Ultimate Sandbox Experience" and on the very next slide screen, they talk about the benefits of being a Patron where they list 8 bullet point benefits. 4 of them are about LP and one says "Claim a piece of land"
The game is as much sandbox as your cat's litter box.
Come on now. Game is pretty darn sandboxy once you hit 50. I haven't done a quest for weeks and I've been playing a lot.
If you are going to call it the "Ultimate Sandbox" it better be more than pretty darn sandboxy after you reach a certain level, should be WTF sandboxy from level 1.
It's a sandpark at best. The only things you really do to affect the world are place farm plots and some plants here and there. Then you go off and kill people or get killed. There's nothing like player-made cities in this game.
Even Trion called it that in interviews (where they expected people who like, actually knew what the game was about would be the primary readership)
For the typical person who doesn't know better whatsoever, though, they (marketting) can try to get away with calling it a sandbox, it seems.
You guys can tell us what the "better" sandboxes are that are out there currently?
Even with it's technical flaws and lack of proper support this game manages to be the best sandbox out there by a wide margin. A title well deserved.
So you are saying it is a sandbox then? Not a Sandpark? I'm confused. The website says sandbox, you say sandbox, others says Sandpark, others say sandbox post 50. Sounds like no one really knows what the hell it is.
You guys can tell us what the "better" sandboxes are that are out there currently?
Even with it's technical flaws and lack of proper support this game manages to be the best sandbox out there by a wide margin. A title well deserved.
So you are saying it is a sandbox then? Not a Sandpark? I'm confused. The website says sandbox, you say sandbox, others says Sandpark, others say sandbox post 50. Sounds like no one really knows what the hell it is.
It's very simple. It is not a sandbox at all. Let me be clear here, In "The Ultimate Sandbox" i can ...
1. ...build a house anywhere i can flatten the ground not only in predefined zones.
2. ...build any shape of house i fancy not only predefined blueprints.
3. ...build farms of any size not only predefined blueprints.
4. ...change the terrain and plant -decorative- trees, rocks and other ornaments.
5. ...craft complex stat modified and augmented armor and weapons not only a set of 3 predefined armors and 6 weapons.
6. ...harvest, mine, log, fish resources with varying stats that affect the items crafted with them.
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These are just a couple of points that would define a Sandbox. AA is not a sandbox, no matter how much the fans and marketing tries to sell it as one. ArchAge has ZERO sandbox features.
You guys can tell us what the "better" sandboxes are that are out there currently?
Even with it's technical flaws and lack of proper support this game manages to be the best sandbox out there by a wide margin. A title well deserved.
So you are saying it is a sandbox then? Not a Sandpark? I'm confused. The website says sandbox, you say sandbox, others says Sandpark, others say sandbox post 50. Sounds like no one really knows what the hell it is.
It's very simple. It is not a sandbox at all. Let me be clear here, In "The Ultimate Sandbox" i can ...
1. ...build a house anywhere i can flatten the ground not only in predefined zones.
2. ...build any shape of house i fancy not only predefined blueprints.
3. ...build farms of any size not only predefined blueprints.
4. ...change the terrain and plant -decorative- trees, rocks and other ornaments.
5. ...craft complex stat modified and augmented armor and weapons not only a set of 3 predefined armors and 6 weapons.
6. ...harvest, mine, log, fish resources with varying stats that affect the items crafted with them.
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These are just a couple of points that would define a Sandbox. AA is not a sandbox, no matter how much the fans and marketing tries to sell it as one. ArchAge has ZERO sandbox features.
kangaroomouse, eve online doesnt fit those ultimate sandbox requirements of yours. is eve not a sandbox?
or are minecraft and second life the only sandboxes?
even in landmark and trove you can't build anywhere you choose. (in landmark whatever you do outside of your plot erases over a couple hours)
RIP Ribbitribbitt you are missed, kid.
Currently Playing EVE, ESO
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed.
Originally posted by Ikonic Did I miss the miracle patch? Their Facebook and website are advertising this as the "Ultimate Sandbox".
No different than advertisers who say the ultimate pizza, or the worlds best beer, or whatever. Nothing to take to seriously honestly. It's a non issue for me. Most companies out there make grandiose statements. Wherever you see ultimates, best, famous, etc..you should know better.
You guys can tell us what the "better" sandboxes are that are out there currently?
Even with it's technical flaws and lack of proper support this game manages to be the best sandbox out there by a wide margin. A title well deserved.
So you are saying it is a sandbox then? Not a Sandpark? I'm confused. The website says sandbox, you say sandbox, others says Sandpark, others say sandbox post 50. Sounds like no one really knows what the hell it is.
It's very simple. It is not a sandbox at all. Let me be clear here, In "The Ultimate Sandbox" i can ...
1. ...build a house anywhere i can flatten the ground not only in predefined zones.
2. ...build any shape of house i fancy not only predefined blueprints.
3. ...build farms of any size not only predefined blueprints.
4. ...change the terrain and plant -decorative- trees, rocks and other ornaments.
5. ...craft complex stat modified and augmented armor and weapons not only a set of 3 predefined armors and 6 weapons.
6. ...harvest, mine, log, fish resources with varying stats that affect the items crafted with them.
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These are just a couple of points that would define a Sandbox. AA is not a sandbox, no matter how much the fans and marketing tries to sell it as one. ArchAge has ZERO sandbox features.
kangaroomouse, eve online doesnt fit those ultimate sandbox requirements of yours. is eve not a sandbox?
or are minecraft and second life the only sandboxes?
even in landmark and trove you can't build anywhere you choose. (in landmark whatever you do outside of your plot erases over a couple hours)
Also Wurm Online, but that game is terrible.
Yeah ArcheAge is not a sandbox. It's barely a themepark either. It's pretty much the worst of both worlds.
Followed by a new up and coming game in Alpha 4 right now and it looks more put together than AA currently: https://www.therepopulation.com/
Ultimate sandbox is a bit reaching for AA, especially since I saw this yesterday... this says Ultimate sandpark more than anything I have seen to date in AA: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAQ6OV6VStM
Originally posted by Ikonic Did I miss the miracle patch? Their Facebook and website are advertising this as the "Ultimate Sandbox".
No different than advertisers who say the ultimate pizza, or the worlds best beer, or whatever. Nothing to take to seriously honestly. It's a non issue for me. Most companies out there make grandiose statements. Wherever you see ultimates, best, famous, etc..you should know better.
I don't think it's the adjective that's bothering them. It's that they are calling it a Sandbox while their developers are calling it a Sandpark. How would you feel ordering a burger only to get a hotdog instead?
Since it's a F2P mmo the marketing team needs to pull gamer's aside and say this, even though the definition of sandbox is overused now, why the hell not.
I agree, it isn't a sandbox we are all use to in our past mmo's,but they will just argue it's the newer version of how sanbox mmo's are defined in this day in age.
Great marketing ploy and it will snag new player's that don't know what a true sandbox mmorpg really is.
You guys can tell us what the "better" sandboxes are that are out there currently?
Even with it's technical flaws and lack of proper support this game manages to be the best sandbox out there by a wide margin. A title well deserved.
So you are saying it is a sandbox then? Not a Sandpark? I'm confused. The website says sandbox, you say sandbox, others says Sandpark, others say sandbox post 50. Sounds like no one really knows what the hell it is.
Why couldn't it be both? The world is not so white and black, my friend.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
You guys can tell us what the "better" sandboxes are that are out there currently?
Even with it's technical flaws and lack of proper support this game manages to be the best sandbox out there by a wide margin. A title well deserved.
So you are saying it is a sandbox then? Not a Sandpark? I'm confused. The website says sandbox, you say sandbox, others says Sandpark, others say sandbox post 50. Sounds like no one really knows what the hell it is.
It's very simple. It is not a sandbox at all. Let me be clear here, In "The Ultimate Sandbox" i can ...
1. ...build a house anywhere i can flatten the ground not only in predefined zones.
2. ...build any shape of house i fancy not only predefined blueprints.
3. ...build farms of any size not only predefined blueprints.
4. ...change the terrain and plant -decorative- trees, rocks and other ornaments.
5. ...craft complex stat modified and augmented armor and weapons not only a set of 3 predefined armors and 6 weapons.
6. ...harvest, mine, log, fish resources with varying stats that affect the items crafted with them.
----
These are just a couple of points that would define a Sandbox. AA is not a sandbox, no matter how much the fans and marketing tries to sell it as one. ArchAge has ZERO sandbox features.
So the ultimate sandbox is the game that doesn't exist. The "potential" that inexplicably no human has ever been able to produce in a way that we could play the game right here, right now.
Sorry, but if only your imagination can make up a """"better"""" sandbox, that does not mean that AA isn't the best sandbox out there right now.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
You guys can tell us what the "better" sandboxes are that are out there currently?
Even with it's technical flaws and lack of proper support this game manages to be the best sandbox out there by a wide margin. A title well deserved.
So you are saying it is a sandbox then? Not a Sandpark? I'm confused. The website says sandbox, you say sandbox, others says Sandpark, others say sandbox post 50. Sounds like no one really knows what the hell it is.
Why couldn't it be both? The world is not so white and black, my friend.
Ok, a Sandpark is a blend of sandbox and themepark.
You are saying it's a blend of a sandpark (themepark and sandbox) and sandbox? That's just confusing as hell. And redundant. Why not just call it a sandpark if it has both elements of a sandbox and themepark?
You guys can tell us what the "better" sandboxes are that are out there currently?
Even with it's technical flaws and lack of proper support this game manages to be the best sandbox out there by a wide margin. A title well deserved.
Ultima Online and Eve are still alive. Actually, some people went back to UO recently in a forum thread here and found it to be pretty neat for its sandbox features.
Honestly, the only really sandbox-y thing Archeage has is land management (if you can even get it) and open world PvP. I wouldn't call trade-routes to be sandboxy (you're running back and forth across set paths as designated by the game, not by you) and the housing system leaves much to be desired.
There's nothing in the game mechanics to really support (significantly beyond what any theme park could support) things like creating player towns, running your own shop, or hosting a cantina in this game. There isn't any significant territory control either beyond gankfests (even castles will just be for bragging rights when they come out, and they're on set schedules for their battles too which isn't very sandbox-y. Several theme parks have systems like that)
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In interviews, the Trion guys clearly called it a sandPARK.
Apparently marketting doesn't give a crap. :P
Yep. That's what I meant with "Apparently Marketting doesn't give a crap."
Yep, "Ultimate Sandbox Experience" and on the very next slide screen, they talk about the benefits of being a Patron where they list 8 bullet point benefits. 4 of them are about LP and one says "Claim a piece of land"
LOL!
Founders pack rip off, early access scam and now False Advertising. Stay classy Trion.
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The game is as much sandbox as your cat's litter box.
Come on now. Game is pretty darn sandboxy once you hit 50. I haven't done a quest for weeks and I've been playing a lot.
If you are going to call it the "Ultimate Sandbox" it better be more than pretty darn sandboxy after you reach a certain level, should be WTF sandboxy from level 1.
Advertising.
But, someone already said that.
It's a sandpark at best. The only things you really do to affect the world are place farm plots and some plants here and there. Then you go off and kill people or get killed. There's nothing like player-made cities in this game.
Even Trion called it that in interviews (where they expected people who like, actually knew what the game was about would be the primary readership)
For the typical person who doesn't know better whatsoever, though, they (marketting) can try to get away with calling it a sandbox, it seems.
That's marketting for ya.
How so , when players claim land everyday .....................?
You guys can tell us what the "better" sandboxes are that are out there currently?
Even with it's technical flaws and lack of proper support this game manages to be the best sandbox out there by a wide margin. A title well deserved.
So you are saying it is a sandbox then? Not a Sandpark? I'm confused. The website says sandbox, you say sandbox, others says Sandpark, others say sandbox post 50. Sounds like no one really knows what the hell it is.
It's very simple. It is not a sandbox at all. Let me be clear here, In "The Ultimate Sandbox" i can ...
1. ...build a house anywhere i can flatten the ground not only in predefined zones.
2. ...build any shape of house i fancy not only predefined blueprints.
3. ...build farms of any size not only predefined blueprints.
4. ...change the terrain and plant -decorative- trees, rocks and other ornaments.
5. ...craft complex stat modified and augmented armor and weapons not only a set of 3 predefined armors and 6 weapons.
6. ...harvest, mine, log, fish resources with varying stats that affect the items crafted with them.
----
These are just a couple of points that would define a Sandbox. AA is not a sandbox, no matter how much the fans and marketing tries to sell it as one. ArchAge has ZERO sandbox features.
kangaroomouse, eve online doesnt fit those ultimate sandbox requirements of yours. is eve not a sandbox?
or are minecraft and second life the only sandboxes?
even in landmark and trove you can't build anywhere you choose. (in landmark whatever you do outside of your plot erases over a couple hours)
RIP Ribbitribbitt you are missed, kid.
Currently Playing EVE, ESO
Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed.
Dwight D Eisenhower
My optimism wears heavy boots and is loud.
Henry Rollins
Ultimate cashbox, for Trion anyway.
No different than advertisers who say the ultimate pizza, or the worlds best beer, or whatever. Nothing to take to seriously honestly. It's a non issue for me. Most companies out there make grandiose statements. Wherever you see ultimates, best, famous, etc..you should know better.
I self identify as a monkey.
Also Wurm Online, but that game is terrible.
Yeah ArcheAge is not a sandbox. It's barely a themepark either. It's pretty much the worst of both worlds.
If u craft somthing that has "random" stats and u dont know what the hell stats it has.
To me that dont sound verry sandboxy.
In that regard even wildstar has more sandbox crafting (damn did i just use Wildstar ?)
There u can sort off make stuff with the stats u want.
We are on the right track with some sandbox ideas, you want ultimate sandbox... here are some clues!!
SWG was the "ultimate sandbox" in gaming history, followed closely by UO.
Currently there is Wurm Online found here: http://pdl.vimeocdn.com/63658/901/258991830.mp4?token2=1413122332_e297ce733c123c7c86f20a1deeaca362&aksessionid=54d07937c55a6b83
Followed by a new up and coming game in Alpha 4 right now and it looks more put together than AA currently: https://www.therepopulation.com/
Ultimate sandbox is a bit reaching for AA, especially since I saw this yesterday... this says Ultimate sandpark more than anything I have seen to date in AA: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAQ6OV6VStM
See you all in Repop very soon!!
I don't think it's the adjective that's bothering them. It's that they are calling it a Sandbox while their developers are calling it a Sandpark. How would you feel ordering a burger only to get a hotdog instead?
Since it's a F2P mmo the marketing team needs to pull gamer's aside and say this, even though the definition of sandbox is overused now, why the hell not.
I agree, it isn't a sandbox we are all use to in our past mmo's,but they will just argue it's the newer version of how sanbox mmo's are defined in this day in age.
Great marketing ploy and it will snag new player's that don't know what a true sandbox mmorpg really is.
Why couldn't it be both? The world is not so white and black, my friend.
So the ultimate sandbox is the game that doesn't exist. The "potential" that inexplicably no human has ever been able to produce in a way that we could play the game right here, right now.
Sorry, but if only your imagination can make up a """"better"""" sandbox, that does not mean that AA isn't the best sandbox out there right now.
Ok, a Sandpark is a blend of sandbox and themepark.
You are saying it's a blend of a sandpark (themepark and sandbox) and sandbox? That's just confusing as hell. And redundant. Why not just call it a sandpark if it has both elements of a sandbox and themepark?
Ultima Online and Eve are still alive. Actually, some people went back to UO recently in a forum thread here and found it to be pretty neat for its sandbox features.
Honestly, the only really sandbox-y thing Archeage has is land management (if you can even get it) and open world PvP. I wouldn't call trade-routes to be sandboxy (you're running back and forth across set paths as designated by the game, not by you) and the housing system leaves much to be desired.
There's nothing in the game mechanics to really support (significantly beyond what any theme park could support) things like creating player towns, running your own shop, or hosting a cantina in this game. There isn't any significant territory control either beyond gankfests (even castles will just be for bragging rights when they come out, and they're on set schedules for their battles too which isn't very sandbox-y. Several theme parks have systems like that)