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Former Carbine Employees Trash Wildstar Dev on Career-Building Site
Employees at Carbine studios as the worst place to work in MMORPG development.
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Meh, what employee is satisfied with their superiors? Especially the ex-employee...
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How do these complaints compare to similar companies on the site? Are there other game companies of similar size that have significantly higher results/comments?
Or is this par for the course for disgruntled employees or is this par for the course for game studios?
If there are similar companies (and not just one which would be an anomaly ) that have significantly higher comments, results then "yes" it would appear that Carbine is horrible.
If similar companies garner similar comments/results then it's either the nature of the beast for laid off/former employees or it's the nature of the beast for game developers.
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I hated Wildstar but those employee complaints aren't even that bad. Boys club lol? That's like complaining Kragen Auto Parts is a boys club. Of course it is, MMO's have a 95% male population. It's made for men by men and you're surprised it's a boys club???
They need to fire everyone involved with the light show combat system if this game wants to go anywhere. Hopefully they're amongst the 60 that were canned.
I think you are still living in 2000. Might want to Google a bit more about that subject, because especially in the last 5 years women have been flooding the gaming industry. This is one of the reasons GamerGate has hit mainstream news and media outlets. I know the male numbers still make up a majority in gaming, but it is more like a 60-40, 70-30 divide now.
To be fair.... Objectivity from employees on a company that just had to lay-off 60 people is going to be rather hard.
However, I think many of those problems are common in large gaming companies, by the time you manage to climb to the top of the pile your so far far from the ground floor that you have no idea what's going on. So instead of acutally making plans and goals based on real data from the people who work on it. Your making generalizations based on game direction and finacial time-lines. All of which lead to bad decsicions, impossible dead-lines and programers working 70 hours weeks to push out sub-par products.
Look at EA.....
Look at NCsoft....
Look at Sony......
Look at Activision.....
Yes they are still making "successful" games but when is the last time you really looked at one of those compaines and went.... Damn that was a REALLY good move.
COD: Ghosts?
Launching BF4 2 years after BF3?
The current EQ:N and EQ:L debacle
The 6-8 weeks announcement on H1z1?
The Ultra-fail that was Wildstar(fun game, but run terribly)
If you check out that top 2014 10 MMO games list floating around you'll notice that only 3 of the items on that list are from one of the "AAA" companies.
with 1 being a 10 year old WoW
another being the 16 year old Lineage 1
The only one you should even count is Hearthstone, and it was at sitting at 10.
Those don't paint the entire picture of the industry I know, but i think it's safe to say they arn't living up to their potential.
Think of what Star-citizen could be with the money that EA threw at TOR.
Look at what a games like Camelot Unchained or Life is Fuedal are doing with budgets that are <10mil... Activision and SoE couldn't even give their Project Leads a X-mas bounus with that.
Guess we know where NC Soft stands amongst employees in the industry.
You must be joking. Yes, there are more female gamers now as there are more gamers in general, but to think there was some crazy explosion to level the playing field between male and female gamers thinking its 60:40 or 70:30 is insane.
It's more like 85:15. The only reason people even think this is because "cam girls" found a new niche with streaming websites like twitch and so a ton of females are streaming just to rake in easy money from desperate guys who like their boobs even if they're not even showing them off, they know they're still gonna get easy tips/views just for that fact.
Disclaimer: I'm not calling every female streamer a cam girl, just that a lot of cam girls moved to streaming games cause its easy money and all they have to do is play a game, don't even have to play it well.
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A company treating its foreign employees badly. Who would have thought! (Remember NCSoft is Korean so the US is a foreign country to them and generally they don't care about us.)
Source? I have to say I'm HIGHLY Skeptical that women now make up anywhere close to 40% of MMO players. We can all agree that the number of female gamers has increased, but I also doubt it's close to 50/50 yet, and probably won't be for a long time.
hmmmm....I stand corrected. According to this survey, women account for 34% and men 66% of MMO players.
http://t.joystiq.com/all/2014-10-27-report-men-play-more-mmos-fpses-women-rule-mobile-rpg#1
much closer than I would have guessed.
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Most folks who work in the games industry are not going to air the dirty laundry in public. Makes too much trouble getting another job, because other companies do take note. Without actually talking to those people off the record, the only place you will get more of the unvarnished story is on places like Glassdoor, etc.
I know a number of people from the industry, and the tales I hear of middle and upper management mismanagement are legion. Inclines me to suspect that some of these Carbine tales are true.
If you want to see real incredible awfulness, go and read the Glassdoor accounts from Gibson Guitars employees ....
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Who has made the most money ? >>> Blizzard and who has most likely had the most employees leave?I don't know the numbers of course but i do know there has been a TON leave Blizzard including a lot leaving just the Wow game .So if Blizzard makes so much money and everything is all good,why leave that kind of comfort level and security?I think the answer is obvious,they don't treat their employees all that great,unless of course the very high up ones...aka management/salaries.
EA had that huge lawsuit that sadly left EA paying not nearly what was owed but gave in on a settlement.Nobody came forth to say anything until they had a solid case and a lawyer willing to challenge EA and that is not an easy thing to do.Just imagine how much these developers actually rip off their employees that never makes it to court or to the public's eye.
There is a LOT of injustice going on out there a lot of corrupt activities including perhaps the biggest >>>Hasbro.
What seems to be a common trend is that law often shows it's corrupt face,it seems to protect the guilty more than the innocent.This is because it is almost always a "settlement" here take some of what we owe you and make sure we come off as the good guy in the press release.
We have seen MANY to employees/CEO supposedly quit or resign when it looked more than obvious they were told to resign but as usual the developer saves face and writes that employee a note of good standing in exchange the fired employee writes a positive letter to the press.
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...or they do not leave but are fired. Obvious?
Sigil Games and 38 Studios both come to mind...
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I personally find the Glass Door entries in question to be believable. I do not read any particular malice beyond what would be expected if what is being reported is true; moreover, the entries seem quite respectful and even considerate (especially regarding fellow employess). Also, I surely think it's hard to deny that Wildstar's many hiccups do not add some credibility to these type of behind-the-scenes insights. To be fair though, I will acknowledge that I would not qualify anything I read in the entries as proof positive that Carbine is a bad company, and I would urge others not to view it that way based merely on this evidence.
I don't think you understand what they mean by "Boy's Club".
The complete term is "Good Old Boy's Club" which comes from the expression "Good Old Boy"
It means upper management hired or promoted people who didn't deserve it based on the old "Who you know" concept, passing over people who should have gotten the job.
they say a lot of things. but where is the proof of it???
when I read a newspaper I know that there is something else happen.
money exchanged... business exchanged... someone is earning more money..... lies and lies....
give a recording and more proof not just words.
maybe the former employees got paid to talk bullshit about a dev?
happened before in many games.
and if a dev had to leave because of health family well could be nice to look into what is going on.
maybe one of his family member got cancer? maybe he worked over time and don't feel well....
its extremely amateurism to write an article but have no proof of what you write.
From the article
-Abysmal wages, morale, and job security.
-Astonishingly inept resource allocation.
-Disregard for employee and player incentives
-Inability to put the word to the deed: deadlines routinely missed, poor quality assurance, sweatshop workplace conditions.
-Amateurish design, management, PR.
-Boys' club.
Plenty points to prove how bad this company acts.
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Say what you want about former employees being bitter.
But the above does reflects how the game (and even website) was handled at launch. Not to mention how their PR attitude was displayed.
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